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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#174740 Oct 12, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re Vattel. It is true, they did read Vattel. HOWEVER, they read a lot of other books too. Vattel was an expert on International Law, elections and the eligibility of candidates are DOMESTIC Law. Vattel recommended several things that we did not follow, such as every country having its own state religion and forcing people to join it or force them to leave the country. So, duh, just the fact that they READ Vattel does not mean that they used Vattel in the definition of Natural Born Citizen.
I agree.
Of course the founding fathers were familiar with Vattel who was a scholar on INTERNATIONAL LAW; however as to MUNICIPAL LAW or DOMESTIC LAW he was not the source of our statutes regarding citizenship which is in the providence of a nation's municipal law.“Citizenship depends, however, entirely on municipal law and is not regulated by international law.“ Tomasicchio v. Acheson, 98 F. Supp. 166, 169 (DC 1951).

Moreover, the United States Supreme Court has held that our citizenship laws were inherited from English common law. "Our concept of citizenship was inherited from England and, accordingly, was based on the principle that rights conferred by naturalization were subject to the conditions reserved in the grant. See Calvin's Case, 7 Co. Rep. 1 a, 77 Eng. Rep. 377 (1608). Schneider v. Rusk, 377 US 163, 170 (1964).

“We thus have an acknowledgment that our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Rogers v. Bellei, 401 US 815,828(1971)

Nowhere in over 200 years of court opinions have had any court suggested that our citizenship law was based on Vattel's concept of citizenship. In fact, there are many court cases that held that children born in the United States to parents other than citizen parents are natural born citizens. "Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States. Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F. 3d 1017, 1019 (6th Cir. 1999).

As for the drafting of the Constitution, Blackstone's influence is noted throughout the document, such as, Law of Nations clause in which it was noted: ""In the fourth volume of his Commentaries, Blackstone has a chapter on “Offences against the Law of Nations.” Guided by Blackstone, the Founding Generation viewed the law of nations as a system of rules deducible by natural reason, and established by universal consent among the civilized inhabitants of the world. Justice Story would later put it,“every doctrine that may be fairly deduced by correct reasoning from the rights and duties of nations, and the nature of moral obligation, may be said to exist in the law of nations.” 3 Dartmouth C. Undergraduate J.L. 51 (2005)

Another example of Blackstone' influence "The universal maxim of the common law of England, as Sir William Blackstone expresses it,`that no man is to be brought into jeopardy of his life more than once for the same offence,' is embraced in article V of amendments to the Constitution of the United States, and in the constitutions of several States, in the following language:`Nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;' and in many other States the same principle is incorporated in the organic law, Kepner v. United States, 195 US 100, 132 (1904)

As for Vattel's contribution to the Constitution, there has not been one decision in which a court has cited Vattel's influence on drafting of the CONSTITUTION. This is not to say that courts have not cited Vattel on the INTERNATIONAL LAW in which his book "Law of Nations" have been cited by the courts but as to the CONSTITUTION AND MUNICIPAL LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, Vattel's influence was nonexistent
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#174741 Oct 12, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>I don't get what they don't comprehend about this.

Why in the hell would you look to entertain negotiations with people who broke their word with you over the same subject?

"Why won't he compromise?"

He did. In July.
These fools can't grasp "Born in Hawaii". Asking them to comprehend "yes that WAS the deal but then we decided to take a stand instead" is way beyond their capacity.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#174742 Oct 12, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>You mean the truth doesn't fit into your BS folder? LMAO!
You mean Mario's fable doesn't fit into US law? That truth?

Poor Romper. You really new a new hero
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#174744 Oct 12, 2013
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#174745 Oct 12, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean Mario's fable doesn't fit into US law? That truth?
Poor Romper. You really new a new hero
new a new?:)
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#174746 Oct 12, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>new a new?:)
Romper found a new link to the same tired fable rejected by every court in the land. Romper is easily fooled
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#174747 Oct 12, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Romper found a new link to the same tired fable rejected by every court in the land. Romper is easily fooled
Resorting to shooting the messenger, huh? How big of you. Maybe you should buy a larger BS folder? LMAO!
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#174748 Oct 12, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Resorting to shooting the messenger, huh? How big of you. Maybe you should buy a larger BS folder? LMAO!
The message was dead years ago. But at least your links actually work. I'm sure Jercque will send you a gold star
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#174749 Oct 12, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
The message was dead years ago. But at least your links actually work. I'm sure Jercque will send you a gold star
:)
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#174750 Oct 12, 2013
Please refer to the smiley face symbol ":)" for the below.

Are the dots supposed to be eyes or nostrils?:)
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#174751 Oct 12, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Please refer to the smiley face symbol ":)" for the below.

Are the dots supposed to be eyes or nostrils?:)
Deep questions from Romper
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#174752 Oct 12, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Deep questions from Romper
Yea, thought I'd probe the deeper side of this forum. Thanks for the input. Oh wait, you didn't give any! So, what are they? I say nostrils.:)
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#174753 Oct 12, 2013
I'll leave you to ponder that for awhile.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#174754 Oct 12, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Hey Scruff, why don't you quit spreading lies?
The thing about being brilliant is that you don't have to lie.

Here is a publicly issued challenge for you Mr. Justice.

Prove anything I have said is a lie. Show people you don't just open your mouth and allow anything at all to roll out.

In all of my time here, I have yet to see you prove anything at all. So, I will define it for you.

Prove: demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence.

Unverified assertions are the biggest guns you possess. And I am willing to bet you can't up your arsenal for even one measly post.

And you have a clear advantage here, as I have zero clue what you think I am lying about.

So, here is your challenge Justice. If you can manage to PROVE I have lied about anything I will not only apologize... I will bestow my 2016 presidential election ballot to you. You will dictate who I vote for. It is supposedly our most precious freedom and I am willing to part with it... if you can manage to back up your words just once.

Challenge issued, advantage is yours...

OR... you can back down as you do every time you are outsmarted, outclassed and outdone.

You know, pretend it is all a ruse I fell for... another one of your esoteric traps.

So, I am excited to hear from you. I expect a healthy debate with a worthy opponent. Don't disappoint us.

Unless...
You were being dishonest when you accused me of lying...right?

I don't expect you will take my challenge even though you have the advantage, nothing at all to lose and an opportunity to put me in my place.

That is the other thing about being brilliant. You can pretty much see what is coming next.

Good luck.

And remember....EVIDENCE!
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#174755 Oct 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Typical that Rogue would rush to the defence of Tobacco barons, they who KNEW that nicotine, tar, and other cancerous junk in their product were lethal, yet they even had phoney doctors advertise the goodness and purity of smoking their "coffin nails". So much of their own evidence destroyed, it's on record, how they misled the public, specially our youth. They have now developed the "smokeless" cigarette, death to all still, smokers and contact smokers alike, no change, but they are stealthy, like Rogue's favourite and unseen airplane killers. Two provinces are suing the tobacco killers here now, billions of $. Hope they win. Rogue is a serf, he serves his palatial masters, lives under their walls, gives them ransom crops and defends them against all "enemies".
You have it exactly right as usual.

Rogue and the rightwingers are trained to believe someday they Too will also become Millionaires and Billionaires like Limbaugh, Fox News Anchors and the Koch Brothers.

There is no such thing as healthy tar and healthy nicotine.

Same as Clean Coal, No Such Thing.

Yet the Coal industry spends millions trying to sell that concept.

And the oil companies spend much more trying to deny climate change.

As you already know.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#174756 Oct 12, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
The thing about being brilliant is that you don't have to lie.
Here is a publicly issued challenge for you Mr. Justice.
Prove anything I have said is a lie. Show people you don't just open your mouth and allow anything at all to roll out.
In all of my time here, I have yet to see you prove anything at all. So, I will define it for you.
Prove: demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence.
Unverified assertions are the biggest guns you possess. And I am willing to bet you can't up your arsenal for even one measly post.
And you have a clear advantage here, as I have zero clue what you think I am lying about.
So, here is your challenge Justice. If you can manage to PROVE I have lied about anything I will not only apologize... I will bestow my 2016 presidential election ballot to you. You will dictate who I vote for. It is supposedly our most precious freedom and I am willing to part with it... if you can manage to back up your words just once.
Challenge issued, advantage is yours...
OR... you can back down as you do every time you are outsmarted, outclassed and outdone.
You know, pretend it is all a ruse I fell for... another one of your esoteric traps.
So, I am excited to hear from you. I expect a healthy debate with a worthy opponent. Don't disappoint us.
Unless...
You were being dishonest when you accused me of lying...right?
I don't expect you will take my challenge even though you have the advantage, nothing at all to lose and an opportunity to put me in my place.
That is the other thing about being brilliant. You can pretty much see what is coming next.
Good luck.
And remember....EVIDENCE!
It is more than probable and of course possible that he and the other rightwingers truly believe what Drudge, Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh and all the liars on Fox News Propaganda Channel tell them.

I know Limbaugh would fail a polygraph but Justice just might pass!

LOL

ROTFL

Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#174757 Oct 12, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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If her "covert" status was so critical, then why did Richard Armitage out her then? If lying is such a punishable offense, then why was Bill Clinton, who lied to a Grand Jury, and our current Liar in Chief excused and defended? Could it be because they are liars for the right people and party?
It is all in the trial transcripts that even the Judge agree Plame was covert.

Plame was undercover overseas trying to stop the proliferation of Nuclear technology.

For this reason alone a multitude of CIA agents came out publicly against the traitors Bush and Cheney.

Plus don't forget all the Generals.

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These top military Generals , Admirals, CIA, FBI, NSA, agents are not an insignificant number against all Neo-Con Bush Republicans!

Only Liars Like Fox News, Limbaugh, Bush and Cheney Despise Truth Tellers:

General Gordon R. Sullivan, USA (Ret.) Admiral Frank “Skip” Bowman, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Lawrence P. Farrell Jr., USAF (Ret.) Vice Admiral Paul G. Gaffney II, USN (Ret.) General Paul J. Kern, USA (Ret.) Admiral T. Joseph Lopez, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Donald L.“Don” Pilling, USN (Ret.) Admiral Joseph W. Prueher, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly, USN (Ret.) General Charles F.“Chuck” Wald, USAF (Ret.) General Anthony C.“Tony” Zinni, USMC

(Ret ) General John Batiste General William E. Odom Lt. General GREGORY NEWBOLD General Eric Shinseki General Paul Eaton GENERAL JOSEPH P. HOAR

Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute General Brent Scowcroft

General Barry McCaffrey Admiral Tommy Fargo General Wesley K. Clark

Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack Maj. Gen. John Riggs Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper

Colonel Sam Gardiner Colonel Ann Wright Colonel David Hackworth

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski Colonel Lawrence B. Wilkerson Marine Major Scott Ritter

Paul R Pillar CIA Larry C. Johnson CIA Tyler Drumheller CIA Michael Scheuer CIA

Ray McGovern CIA Russell Tice NSA, Sibel Edmonds FBI, Valerie Plame CIA.

General Batiste: "Protect America, Not George Bush"


Major General John R.S. Batiste at the DPC Hearing
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"Real" - VoteVets.org TV Ad Responding to Rush Limbaugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Major General John Batiste (ret) Talks to Keith Olbermann
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#174758 Oct 12, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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So your saying that this president, who has spent the equivalent of over 6 months worth of 40 hour work weeks on the golf course since being elected, and has added over $7 trillion in debt onto the backs of our children's future and refuses to even sit down and negotiate is demonstrating real leadership? And you defend that? I do hope it wasn't one of your children arriving at Dover AFB that he has denied death benefits. I'm just saying.
Dumbya Bush even out did Reagan taking the most vacations.

LOL

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Is McCain Another George W. Bush?
19 August 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/4cnyfn by Jack Cafferty
New York - Russia invades Georgia and President Bush goes on vacation. Our president has spent one-third of his entire two terms in office either at Camp David, Maryland, or at Crawford, Texas, on vacation.
His time away from the Oval Office included the month leading up to 9/11, when there were signs Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America, and the time Hurricane Katrina destroyed the city of New Orleans.
Sen. John McCain takes weekends off and limits his campaign events to one a day. He made an exception for the religious forum on Saturday at Saddleback Church in Southern California. http://www.truthout.org/article/is-mccain-ano...

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The Out-of-Towner
While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard.
April 14, 2004 / http://tinyurl.com/jwrvq
In an otherwise dry day of hearings before the 9/11 commission, one brief bit of dialogue set off a sudden flash of clarity on the basic question of how our government let disaster happen.
The revelation came this morning, when CIA Director George Tenet was on the stand. Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman, asked him when he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001.
Roemer then asked Tenet if he mentioned Moussaoui to President Bush at one of their frequent morning briefings. Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied. By the way, for much of August, Tenet too was, as he put it, "on leave." / http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

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Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record
With Long Sojourn at Ranch, President on His Way to Surpassing Reagan's Total
WACO, Tex., Aug. 2, 2005 -- President Bush is getting the kind of break most Americans can only dream of -- nearly five weeks away from the office, loaded with vacation time. http://tinyurl.com/9cjj7
The president departed Tuesday for his longest stretch yet away from the White House, arriving at his Crawford ranch in the evening for a stretch of clearing brush, visiting with family and friends, and tending to some outside-the-Beltway politics. By historical standards, it is the longest presidential retreat in at least 36 years.
The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- nearly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#174759 Oct 12, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
These fools can't grasp "Born in Hawaii". Asking them to comprehend "yes that WAS the deal but then we decided to take a stand instead" is way beyond their capacity.
And that is the real issue I have with the entire thing.

If you decide to "take a stand" and then publicly announce it is the other parties fault... two things happen.

1. You have to lie to your electorate.

This seriously diminishes your credibility for obvious reasons. In addition, it gives the democrats a huge advantage come campaign time as they have a list of names and video evidence of MANY republicans lying to our faces. As well as all necessary evidence to prove the republicans KNEW they were lying.

2. It completely defeats the purpose of "taking a stand" in the first place.

If you are going to draw a line in the sand, then act as if your opponent is the guy with the stick... It is no longer a bold action taken to fight for what you think is right. It displays cowardice and a lack of control.

They should have just been honest and taken the "bold action for the sake of America's well being." route. At least they could maintain credibility and some form of dignity.

But you may be right. They may be so used to blaming Obama for everything, that it was a knee jerk reaction. One that killed their "stand" before anyone even knew it was taken.

Regardless, it was something that they could have made work for them. Now they just look inept. Mind numbing stupidity.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#174760 Oct 12, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
It is more than probable and of course possible that he and the other rightwingers truly believe what Drudge, Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh and all the liars on Fox News Propaganda Channel tell them.
I know Limbaugh would fail a polygraph but Justice just might pass!
LOL
ROTFL
It is hard to believe, but you may be correct.

That would be a great little experiment. To sit outside of a Sam's Club or something and interview people while hooked up to a polygraph. Asking them questions about obvious political lies to see how many just mouthpiece anything they see on TV, and how many are truly dumb enough to buy it. Mix in a few true ones at the end for controls...

Sounds like fun.

Regardless, Justice getting duped again doesn't make me a liar.

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