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Therealnews com

Oakdale, NY

#174050 Oct 6, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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I do not write to persuade slimy Dale. I write for others, who are tempted to think that there may be some truth to the "two parent" myth. For them, I point out that the two parent myth is neither in accord with strict construction principles nor in accord with libertarian principles. And, it certainly is NOT in accord with the principle that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." In fact, it assumes (without any evidence whatever) that the writers of the US Constitution did NOT believe that the US-born children of foreigners were just as loyal as the US-born children of US citizens. IF the writers of the US Constitution had thought that the US-born children of foreigners should be lower-level citizens than the US-born children of US citizens, they could easily have said so----but they didn't.
Unless and until there is evidence that the writers of the Constitution thought to the contrary (and there is NO such evidence), the principle still applies to presidential elections as to all other things under the law: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
Excellent post.

My target is not rightwingers.

LOL
Therealnews com

Oakdale, NY

#174051 Oct 6, 2013
Are not

lol
Therealnews com

Oakdale, NY

#174052 Oct 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you ever read your own links? Were did it say he was a target of al Qaeda? There were w whole bunch of loony-lefties who hated Ashcroft and maybe that was the threat.
And why weren't other Bush officials given the same warning?!? It seems like you are grasping at straws.
CBS/ February 11, 2009, 9:23 PM
Ashcroft Flying High
Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.
A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/nat...
Your Rightwing Corporate Propagandist Masters have you confused.

The most important point in that article was Ashcroft and all other Attorney Generals before him always flew commercial airlines and FBI warned him not to a couple of months before September 11, 2001.
Therealnews com

Oakdale, NY

#174053 Oct 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hummm, do you want to go back to the attack on Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941, and see how many things FDR missed.
I have read military lintel reports before and many times they included a threat assessment which often times stated they did not know what it was.
An example, early every winter the North Koreans go on maneuvers. This is after the crops had been harvested and after the first hard freeze so the tanks would not get stuck. They would do this again in late winter before the thaw but every now and then they would do something that was not usual and everyone would scratch their heads.
Like I said, you Libtards will do everything to point out the mistakes of a Republican president but when the president is a Democrat, it is "See no Evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil"!
Now, you probably think Ben Ghazi is a Hindu taxi driver in New York City!
All my links proved beyond any doubt that Bush and Cheney knew an attack was coming inside the USA.

They did not know the date or the time, BUT DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.

The sad thing is they did not even try to stop 9/11/01.

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Did Ashcroft brush off terror warnings?
NBC exclusive: 9/11 commission interviews FBI officials who contradict Ashcroft testimony / June. 22, 2004 / http://tinyurl.com/5avy3
WASHINGTON - The 9/11 commission is busy writing its final report, but is still investigating critical facts, including the conduct of U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. NBC News has learned that the commission has interviewed two FBI officials who contradict sworn testimony by Ashcroft, about whether he brushed off terrorism warnings in the summer of 2001.
In the critical months before Sept. 11, did Ashcroft dismiss threats of an al-Qaida attack in this country?
Yet, Pickard testified to the 9/11 commission that when he tried to brief Ashcroft just a week later, on July 12, about the terror threat inside the United States, he got the brush-off.
"Mr. Ashcroft told you that he did not want to hear about this anymore," Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste asked on April 13. "Is that correct?"
"That is correct," Pickard replied.
However, another senior FBI official tells NBC News he vividly recalls Pickard returning from the meeting that day furious that Ashcroft had cut short the terrorism briefing. This official, now retired, has talked to the 9/11 commission.
NBC News has learned that commission investigators also tracked down another FBI witness at the meeting that day, Ruben Garcia, head of the Criminal Division at that time. Several sources familiar with the investigation say Garcia confirmed to the commission that Ashcroft did indeed dismiss Pickard's warnings about al-Qaida.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5271234/

Pickard 9/11 commission statement
Former acting FBI director's remarks, as prepared for delivery to the 9/11 panel
4/13/2004 / http://tinyurl.com/mcnxfma
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4733062/

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#174054 Oct 6, 2013
The airline industry is just as guilty as Bush & Co. for operating commercial aircraft with unsecured cockpit doors.
They knew from diret experience that the threat of hijacking was real and they did nothing practical to protect the safety of its passengers.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#174055 Oct 6, 2013
The airlines, and especially Boeing, didn't even have enough sense to lock the doors of the cockpit.

Could they have been any more clueless?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#174056 Oct 6, 2013
The FAA too is guilty of a serious lack of safety oversight.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#174057 Oct 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you ever read your own links? Were did it say he was a target of al Qaeda? There were w whole bunch of loony-lefties who hated Ashcroft and maybe that was the threat.
And why weren't other Bush officials given the same warning?!? It seems like you are grasping at straws.
CBS/ February 11, 2009, 9:23 PM
Ashcroft Flying High
Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.
A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/nat ...
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Rightwing Corporate Propagandist Masters have you confused.
The most important point in that article was Ashcroft and all other Attorney Generals before him always flew commercial airlines and FBI warned him not to a couple of months before September 11, 2001.
Ah, but you know WHY the FBI warned him, don't you?!? Was it the al Qaeda threat or was it the threat from some loony-lefties? What is funny is that lefties always seem to know things no one else does.
Do you know what the Tuscon, Aurora, Sandy Hill and Nay Yard shooters had in common? They were all loony-lefties!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#174058 Oct 6, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
The airlines, and especially Boeing, didn't even have enough sense to lock the doors of the cockpit.
Could they have been any more clueless?
Ah, what was the purpose of the "cabin doors" on airliners? Why do passenger planes with less than fifteen passengers have cabin doors back then and still don't?
Why sis Ricky Nelson and everyone in the back of his plane die, but the pilots did not?!?
What I think is funny that people who have near zero knowledge of aviation seem to think they are experts in the field!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#174059 Oct 6, 2013
The FAA is a self-perpetuating conflict of interest.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#174060 Oct 6, 2013
The DC-3 was designed to carry 24 passengers and therefore they have cabin doors. Sooooo, the doors are strong enough to stop smoke but not strong enough to stop and intruder. So, why did the pilots survive and the seven people in the back die?

Dec 31, 1985:
Rick Nelson dies in a plane crash
Nelson continued to tour frequently, however, and it was on one such tour that he boarded a chartered DC-3 in Guntersville, Alabama, bound for a New Year's Eve appearance in Dallas. Shortly before reaching Dallas, however, the cabin of Nelson's plane apparently filled with smoke due to a fire of undetermined origin. While the two pilots of the plane would survive their attempted emergency landing in a field outside De Kalb, Texas, all seven passengers on board were killed, including the first pop star to cross over from the Nielsen charts to the Billboard chats, Rick Nelson.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ri...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#174061 Oct 6, 2013
Oh, why do civilian BC-234s have cabin doors but Army CH-47 do not? They are both Chinooks!!! Answer, the Army does not have to comply with FAA rules!
Therealnews com

Oakdale, NY

#174062 Oct 6, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
The airline industry is just as guilty as Bush & Co. for operating commercial aircraft with unsecured cockpit doors.
They knew from diret experience that the threat of hijacking was real and they did nothing practical to protect the safety of its passengers.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Codename Grillfire
http://tinyurl.com/6k2bw / October 26,2002
I am United States Defense Department Intelligence Operative "Grillfire" aka US Government Federal Agent Timothy S. McNiven; in 1976 I took part in a Democratic - Republican Political Party US Congressional Commissioned Military Study to Improve US Air Travel Security while stationed on Strassberg Kasern in Idar-Oberstein,W.Germany assigned to C-Battery 2/81st FA, US Army 1975-76. The purpose of the Study was to Identify Security Lapses and Submit Corrective Actions to the US Congress; on September 11,2001 the Security Lapses that were used to carry out the Attacks were the same ones that were submitted to the US Congress for Correcting "25 Years" before./http://www.codenamegri llfire.com/index.php?n=1&i d=1

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#174063 Oct 6, 2013
That should be "BV" for Boeing Vertol. Yes, Boeing makes helicopters. They also had the prototype YUH-61 which competed for the YUH-60 (Blackhawk) for the new Army utility helicopter way back in the late 1960s.

Oh, why do civilian BC-234s have cabin doors but Army CH-47 do not? They are both Chinooks!!! Answer, the Army does not have to comply with FAA rules!
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Since: May 10

Location hidden

#174064 Oct 6, 2013
There are three civilian models of the Chinook helicopter. The first was the BV-114 which became the CH-47A. Then the BV-234 which became the CH-47B/C and the current model is the BV-414 which is the CH-47D and subsequent models.
The only model to be certified by our FAA is the BV-234.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#174066 Oct 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The United States
Department of Education does not teach a single child,and has 5,000 employees.
<quoted text>
Other than DoD schools, can you name one Federal elementary, middle, or high school? Where in the Tenth Amendment does it give the Federal government the right to interfere with state run schools?
Likewise, can you name me one accomplishment of the Department of Energy besides the production of nuclear weapons?
Likewise, can you name one job creased by the Department of Labor?
The 10th amendment does not prohibit handing out money with attached strings. Schools can simply say they don't want it. that's not a violation of the 10th Amendment.

Also Rouge is totally ignorant of the contributions of DoE to increasing efficiency of fuel cells and batteries. Thise are only two examples. There are so many more I could spend the day listing their accomplishments. I recall when I was at ND the then new chemistry building was right next to the DoE building. There was some amazing work done their by physicists and other scientists. Rouge is simply ignorant.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
5,000 employees pales in comparison to the number of teachers, Fwank.
RU taking your Aricept?
Therealnews com

Oakdale, NY

#174067 Oct 6, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
The airlines, and especially Boeing, didn't even have enough sense to lock the doors of the cockpit.
Could they have been any more clueless?
Profits always trump safety.

All the car companies were against seatbelts not that long ago until the liberal/progressive Ralph Nader brought attention to the issue.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#174068 Oct 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
That should be "BV" for Boeing Vertol. Yes, Boeing makes helicopters. They also had the prototype YUH-61 which competed for the YUH-60 (Blackhawk) for the new Army utility helicopter way back in the late 1960s.
Oh, why do civilian BC-234s have cabin doors but Army CH-47 do not? They are both Chinooks!!! Answer, the Army does not have to comply with FAA rules!
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And the Army does not have as many weirdos from the general public as passengers in their aircraft.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#174069 Oct 6, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Codename Grillfire
http://tinyurl.com/6k2bw / October 26,2002
I am United States Defense Department Intelligence Operative "Grillfire" aka US Government Federal Agent Timothy S. McNiven; in 1976 I took part in a Democratic - Republican Political Party US Congressional Commissioned Military Study to Improve US Air Travel Security while stationed on Strassberg Kasern in Idar-Oberstein,W.Germany assigned to C-Battery 2/81st FA, US Army 1975-76. The purpose of the Study was to Identify Security Lapses and Submit Corrective Actions to the US Congress; on September 11,2001 the Security Lapses that were used to carry out the Attacks were the same ones that were submitted to the US Congress for Correcting "25 Years" before./http://www.codenamegri llfire.com/index.php?n=1&i d=1
Do you have any idea what a Field Artillery battery is? It consists of SIX cannons/guns and is normally commanded by a CAPTAIN.
Now, what does a "Field Artillery" unit have to do with "Air Defense"? You do know there is a big difference between a Field Artillery unit and an Air Defense Artillery unit, don't you? NO YOU DON"T, you idiot!!!
And that is just one point I picked out that screams FRAUD!!!
Yes, I am Thomas H. Nadeau, CW4 AUS (Ret.) and I have forgotten more about the Army than you will ever know!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#174070 Oct 6, 2013
When, oh when, will the FAA stop coddling the aviation industry and join the rest of the civilized 21st century and get the heavy lead out of general aviation fuel?

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