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Again Obama is a half hour late for a speech. It seems the more Liberal a person is,the more they are late. And then he attacks the Republicans for being late!!!
Oh, you remember Bill Clinton's event where he was late and Bono did an impersonation of Bill?!? Just in case you did not see it, here it is;
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Ellen1 wrote:
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LMAO!!!
"All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together..Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are in theory born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons. 2 Kent Com. 1 ; Calven's Case, 7 Coke, 1 ; 4 Black. Com. 366 ; Lynch v. Clark, 1 Sandf. Ch. 139.
Looks like everyone has forgotten that we haven't used English common law since Apr 9, 1866, citizenship at this time comes under Constitutional Law.
At the moment of birth, Jr. was a citizen of his father's nation, just a fact that precludes him from being a citizen of the US, since the Constitution has never recognized a dual-citizenship.(See 14th Amendment)

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The wealthy has never been punished in America except when Republican President General Eisenhower had them paying 91% in taxes and had a balanced budget for average Americans.
What was the tax rate under Truman? Under FDR? Under HOOVER? But that evil Republican Eisenhower is bad to the bone.
http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation....
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“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
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LMAO!!!

Wong Kim Ark v. US, para. 34, "Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship."

We did just that in the 14th Amendment, aliens and foreigners do not receive citizenship ipso facto, they must be naturalized.(See 14th Amendment)

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In Ike's first year in office the marginal tax rate was 92% above $200k.
The following year it dropped to 91% above $200k.
In 1955 it was 91%......... above $400k where it remained until 1964 (voted in 1963) which reduced it to 77% above $400k
And who did that and why? JOHN F. KENNEDY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Yep, JFK cut taxes in a recession.
And what has Obama done? INCREASED tax in a recession!!!
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Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!
"All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together..Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are in theory born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons. 2 Kent Com. 1 ; Calven's Case, 7 Coke, 1 ; 4 Black. Com. 366 ; Lynch v. Clark, 1 Sandf. Ch. 139.
Looks like everyone has forgotten that we haven't used English common law since Apr 9, 1866, citizenship at this time comes under Constitutional Law.
At the moment of birth, Jr. was a citizen of his father's nation, just a fact that precludes him from being a citizen of the US, since the Constitution has never recognized a dual-citizenship.(See 14th Amendment)
Neither the citizenship of the father NOR dual citizenship of the child at the time of birth has any effect whatever on Natural Born Citizen status. And, in fact, we have already had two presidents before Obama who were dual citizens at the time of birth, Woodrow Wilson because his mother never gave up her British subject status, and Dwight D. Eisenhower because old German laws made the grandchildren of its citizens German citizens at birth. And James Madison actually was a dual citizen at the time that he was president, having been made a full voting citizen of France by the French National Assembly during the French Revolution.

If dual citizen status could have any effect on our definition of Natural Born Citizen, then any foreign country could just pass a law making someone or some group of people citizens of that country and they would not be eligible. Mexico, for example, could just pass a law that said that any child born in Texas was also a Mexican citizen, and if dual citizen status had any effect on their Natural Born Citizen status, they would not be eligible to become president, not one of them.

Fogbow summarizes it this way: http://www.thefogbow.com/birther-claims-debun...

More important is that IF the writers of the US Constitution had wanted people with two or one foreign citizen parent not to be eligible or people who had been born with dual citizenship at the time of birth not to be eligible THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, and they didn't. Under strict construction rules and under libertarian thinking, something is not forbidden unless there is a specific law or constitutional statement that says that it is forbidden, and guess what, there is NO specific statement in the Constitution or in any of the writings of the members of the Constitutional Convention or any of the American leaders at the time that bars the children of foreigners or people who had been born dual citizens from becoming president.

In short there is nothing in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or people who were dual citizens at birth (or dual citizens when president, like James Madison) are not eligible to be president. And, if they did not specifically forbid it, it is not forbidden.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!!
Wong Kim Ark v. US, para. 34, "Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship."
We did just that in the 14th Amendment, aliens and foreigners do not receive citizenship ipso facto, they must be naturalized.(See 14th Amendment)
A child born on US soil is neither an alien nor a foreigner, nor is she or he a naturalized citizen.

And, if the writers of the US Constitution had intended that the US-born children of foreigners were to not be US citizens at birth or that the US-born children of foreigners were a lower category of citizens who were not eligible to become president, they would have told us---and they didn't.
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Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!

Wong Kim Ark v. US, para. 34, "Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship."

We did just that in the 14th Amendment, aliens and foreigners do not receive citizenship ipso facto, they must be naturalized.(See 14th Amendment)
And Dufus fantasizes that this amendment also changed the meaning of the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Dufus makes a habit of being very wrong
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Ellen1 wrote:
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Neither the citizenship of the father NOR dual citizenship of the child at the time of birth has any effect whatever on Natural Born Citizen status. And, in fact, we have already had two presidents before Obama who were dual citizens at the time of birth, Woodrow Wilson because his mother never gave up her British subject status, and Dwight D. Eisenhower because old German laws made the grandchildren of its citizens German citizens at birth. And James Madison actually was a dual citizen at the time that he was president, having been made a full voting citizen of France by the French National Assembly during the French Revolution.
If dual citizen status could have any effect on our definition of Natural Born Citizen, then any foreign country could just pass a law making someone or some group of people citizens of that country and they would not be eligible. Mexico, for example, could just pass a law that said that any child born in Texas was also a Mexican citizen, and if dual citizen status had any effect on their Natural Born Citizen status, they would not be eligible to become president, not one of them.
Fogbow summarizes it this way: http://www.thefogbow.com/birther-claims-debun...
More important is that IF the writers of the US Constitution had wanted people with two or one foreign citizen parent not to be eligible or people who had been born with dual citizenship at the time of birth not to be eligible THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, and they didn't. Under strict construction rules and under libertarian thinking, something is not forbidden unless there is a specific law or constitutional statement that says that it is forbidden, and guess what, there is NO specific statement in the Constitution or in any of the writings of the members of the Constitutional Convention or any of the American leaders at the time that bars the children of foreigners or people who had been born dual citizens from becoming president.
In short there is nothing in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or people who were dual citizens at birth (or dual citizens when president, like James Madison) are not eligible to be president. And, if they did not specifically forbid it, it is not forbidden.
LMAO!!! You just can't get around the fact that Jr. was born a citizen of his father's country.
Citizenship is by Constitutional Law, now if you can find dual-citizenship in the 14th amendment, then you win.

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
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Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You just can't get around the fact that Jr. was born a citizen of his father's country.
Citizenship is by Constitutional Law, now if you can find dual-citizenship in the 14th amendment, then you win.
"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."


Answer: A child born on US soil is neither an alien nor a foreigner, nor is she or he a naturalized citizen. A child born on US soil is a Natural Born US citizen, the only exception being the children of foreign diplomats.

And, if the writers of the US Constitution had intended that the US-born children of foreigners were to not be US citizens at birth or that the US-born children of foreigners were a lower category of citizens who were not eligible to become president, they would have told us---and they didn't.

Moreover, under strict construction judicial interpretation and libertarian principles unless something is specifically forbidden in a law or in the US Constitution, it is not forbidden. And there is nothing in the US Constitution or any law that forbids the US-born children of foreigners or US citizens who happen to be dual nationals from becoming president. Not a word.
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And Dufus fantasizes that this amendment also changed the meaning of the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Dufus makes a habit of being very wrong
LMAO!!! I see you are just as dumb as ever.
The phrase, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", simply means the US Constitution, since the Constitution has jurisdiction over the US.
Oh, foreigners and aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", if they were they would be called citizens.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! I see you are just as dumb as ever.
The phrase, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", simply means the US Constitution, since the Constitution has jurisdiction over the US.
Oh, foreigners and aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", if they were they would be called citizens.
If the US constitution or any law specifically said that the US-born children of foreigners were not eligible to be president, they would not be eligible, but none does. If the US constitution or any law specifically said that US citizens who were dual nationals at birth are not eligible to be president, they would not be eligible to be president, but none does.

When something is not forbidden by law, it is permitted.
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Ellen1 wrote:
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
(These links will work better than those shown above.)
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natura...
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
LMAO!!! Foreigners and aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", they never lose their subject status of their country of origin, unless naturalized into the US.
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subject status "to" their country of origin, unless naturalized into the US.
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Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! I see you are just as dumb as ever.
The phrase, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", simply means the US Constitution, since the Constitution has jurisdiction over the US.
Oh, foreigners and aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", if they were they would be called citizens.
Since persons born here are neither aliens nor foreigners, your fable is as worthless as you.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! Foreigners and aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", they never lose their subject status of their country of origin, unless naturalized into the US.
Answer: A child born on US soil is neither an alien nor a foreigner, nor is she or he a naturalized citizen. A child born on US soil is a Natural Born US citizen, the only exception being the children of foreign diplomats.

If the writers of the US Constitution had intended that the US-born children of foreigners were to not be US citizens at birth or that the US-born children of foreigners were a lower category of citizens who were not eligible to become president, they would have told us---and they didn't. If the writers of the US Constitution had intended that dual citizens were not eligible to become president, they would have told us----and they didn't.

Moreover, under strict construction judicial interpretation and libertarian principles unless something is specifically forbidden in a law or in the US Constitution, it is NOT forbidden. And there is nothing in the US Constitution or any law that forbids the US-born children of foreigners or US citizens who happen to be dual nationals from becoming president. Not a word. Unless there is something specific in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not forbidden to become president, they are not forbidden to become president, and there is no such specific statement. Unless there is something specific in the Constitution that says that dual citizens are not eligible to be president, they are eligible, and there is no such specific statement.
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Answer: A child born on US soil is neither an alien nor a foreigner, nor is she or he a naturalized citizen. A child born on US soil is a Natural Born US citizen, the only exception being the children of foreign diplomats.
And, if the writers of the US Constitution had intended that the US-born children of foreigners were to not be US citizens at birth or that the US-born children of foreigners were a lower category of citizens who were not eligible to become president, they would have told us---and they didn't.
Moreover, under strict construction judicial interpretation and libertarian principles unless something is specifically forbidden in a law or in the US Constitution, it is not forbidden. And there is nothing in the US Constitution or any law that forbids the US-born children of foreigners or US citizens who happen to be dual nationals from becoming president. Not a word.
LMAO!!! It will take a Constitutional amendment to recognize a dual-citizenship status, you can't read into the Constitution what isn't there and since the 14th amendment makes the citizens, it does not recognize the dual-citizenship status.
Looks like Jr. was born an alien in the US (Constitutional Law).
Under Constitutional Construction, if it ain't there it ain't the law.
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The wealthy has never been punished in America except when Republican President General Eisenhower had them paying 91% in taxes and had a balanced budget for average Americans.
The wealthy punished YOU ROGUE every single day and you accept that abuse.
Gates and Jobs employ millions and millions of Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, NOT MANY AMERICANS etc. etc. etc.
Bob Dylan wrote this song in 1983 when Ronald Reagan and Daddy Bush were in the White House.
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Back in the 1950's when General Eisenhower was President the wealthiest top 1% of Americans had to pay 91% in taxes.
Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to dictatorship.
Ignorant masses who have to be marginalized for their own good.
In the twentieth century it was the Liberal Progressive Era that benefited most Americans.
The New Deal, The Fair Deal, The GI Bill, and the Great Society.
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Union Sundown
Well, my shoes, they come from Singapore,
My flashlight's from Taiwan,
My tablecloth's from Malaysia,
My belt buckle's from the Amazon.
You know, this shirt I wear comes from the Philippines
And the car I drive is a Chevrolet,
It was put together down in Argentina
By a guy makin' thirty cents a day.
Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.
Well, this silk dress is from Hong Kong
And the pearls are from Japan.
Well, the dog collar's from India
And the flower pot's from Pakistan.
All the furniture, it says "Made in Brazil"
Where a woman, she slaved for sure
Bringin' home thirty cents a day to a family of twelve,
You know, that's a lot of money to her.
Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.
Well, you know, lots of people complainin' that there is no work.
I say, "Why you say that for
When nothin' you got is U.S.-made?"
They don't make nothin' here no more,
You know, capitalism is above the law.
It say, "It don't count 'less it sells."
When it costs too much to build it at home
You just build it cheaper someplace else.
Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.
Well, the job that you used to have,
They gave it to somebody down in El Salvador.
The unions are big business, friend,
And they're goin' out like a dinosaur.
They used to grow food in Kansas
Now they want to grow it on the moon and eat it raw.
I can see the day coming when even your home garden
Is gonna be against the law.
Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.
Democracy don't rule the world,
You'd better get that in your head.
This world is ruled by violence
But I guess that's better left unsaid.
From Broadway to the Milky Way,
That's a lot of territory indeed
And a man's gonna do what he has to do
When he's got a hungry mouth to feed.
Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.
Copyright ©1983
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/union-sundown
This is the United States of America,we are not supposed to punish people for their success. The idea of our society is to attempt to help every one prosper and hope that all can reach their potential, not to attempt to lower every ones standard of living down to the lowest so that every one is the same. Since LBJ's War on Poverty more people are in poverty today than in the past sixty years. Union membership has fallen to a point that now Government Union employees are a majority of all union employees. Why do government workers need a union?
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Neither the citizenship of the father NOR dual citizenship of the child at the time of birth has any effect whatever on Natural Born Citizen status. And, in fact, we have already had two presidents before Obama who were dual citizens at the time of birth, Woodrow Wilson because his mother never gave up her British subject status, and Dwight D. Eisenhower because old German laws made the grandchildren of its citizens German citizens at birth. And James Madison actually was a dual citizen at the time that he was president, having been made a full voting citizen of France by the French National Assembly during the French Revolution.
If dual citizen status could have any effect on our definition of Natural Born Citizen, then any foreign country could just pass a law making someone or some group of people citizens of that country and they would not be eligible. Mexico, for example, could just pass a law that said that any child born in Texas was also a Mexican citizen, and if dual citizen status had any effect on their Natural Born Citizen status, they would not be eligible to become president, not one of them.
Fogbow summarizes it this way: http://www.thefogbow.com/birther-claims-debun...
More important is that IF the writers of the US Constitution had wanted people with two or one foreign citizen parent not to be eligible or people who had been born with dual citizenship at the time of birth not to be eligible THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, and they didn't. Under strict construction rules and under libertarian thinking, something is not forbidden unless there is a specific law or constitutional statement that says that it is forbidden, and guess what, there is NO specific statement in the Constitution or in any of the writings of the members of the Constitutional Convention or any of the American leaders at the time that bars the children of foreigners or people who had been born dual citizens from becoming president.
In short there is nothing in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or people who were dual citizens at birth (or dual citizens when president, like James Madison) are not eligible to be president. And, if they did not specifically forbid it, it is not forbidden.
LMAO!!! The 14th Amendment makes only two types of citizens, those that are naturalized and those that are born here with out any foreign attachments (Natural Born Citizens).
Looks like Obama was born with foreign attachments, like being a citizen of his father's country.
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And Dufus fantasizes that this amendment also changed the meaning of the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Dufus makes a habit of being very wrong
Barack Obama's father was never a citizen of the United States,not even for one day.

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