BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Frank

Spokane, WA

#173959 Oct 4, 2013
John Kenney wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =WHbLi5E-QBQXX
i can get you a Legit United States Passport and Australia Passport.
When I was in Kuala Lumpur there was someone selling passports for any where,there was also a guy laying on the sidewalk with fake blood on his leg waiting for visitors to give him money. The locals just stepped over him,visitors looked to see that it was fake blood then pretended like they didn't notice he was blocking the sidewalk.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#173960 Oct 4, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
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If you really believe Congress represents people like yourself then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you for a very reasonable price.
Representatives in the House are elected as the representatives of the people and Senators are elected to represent each state. Our countries political system is broken,but bureaucrats are even worse than Democrats.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#173961 Oct 4, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Which has absolutely no effect whatever. Every child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats. Every child, every child regardless of the citizenship of the parents at the time of birth.
"Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

Answer: All human institutions and people make mistakes. The ultimate decision-maker on the US Constitution is a constitutional amendment, which requires a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress and a three-quarters vote of the state legislatures. Until that comes along, the decision of the US Supreme Court is the final legal interpretation.
A reversal of the US Supreme Court ruling by a Constitutional Amendment or by the court reversing itself is far from likely in the immediate future (or even in the distant future), since so many legal scholars and appeals courts support what the Wong Kim Ark ruling said, and since the Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal (and if the writers of the US Constitution had intended to make an exception to that, they surely would have told us).
Rep. Bingham was considered the expert on this subject and contrary to your repeated comments,he completely disagreed with your statement. Rep. Bingham would not consider Obama as being eligible to serve that office. You should read up on his position before you cherry pick his statement. If Rexall has a Buy one bottle of Listerine,get a bottle of Listerine free does not mean that you can simply cut ( get a bottle of Listerine free ) and paste and not pay anything for a bottle of Listerine.
Dale

United States

#173962 Oct 4, 2013
wojar wrote:
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There are many stateless people in the world. The fact that Dufus is ignorant doesn't change that fact.
It is not the alien's relationship with a foreign country that makes him an alien but his lack of tie to the country he resides in that makes him an alien. For this reason it wouldn't matter if 100 countries considered Obama as a citizen when he was born. All that matters is according to US law he was born a US citizen. He was born with the tie of natural allegiance (allegiance by birth) by birth on US soil.
Natural allegiance “In American law, That allegiance due from citizens of the United States to their native or adopted country, and which, it seems, cannot be renounced without the permission of government, to be declared by law. 2 Kent’s Com. 43-49.” Alexander Mansfield Burrill, 2 A Law Dictionary and Glossary, at 220 (2nd ed. 1870).
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LMAO!!! What does WKA v. US say about citizenship of other countries, just thought I would let you know!

(Para. 34) Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.

Yep, Ark was born a citizen of China in the US and of course that would mean he wasn't eligible for citizenship in the US.

In 1866 we made the decision to not give citizenship to those that were subject to foreign powers and it was carried over into the 14th amendment with the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" and everyone knows that an alien has never been subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, only citizens enjoy that right.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#173963 Oct 4, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Formal definition of jurisdiction, everyone know that the jurisdiction over the US is the Constitution. We are a Constitutional Republic, this means the Constitution has jurisdiction over the US and all branches of government.
Fact it you got schooled.
The constitution has no power to exercise authority and is therefore not a jurisdiction. Authority flows from the constitution but it is the government that exercises authority. Thus the "jurisdiction of the United States" refers to the general power of the government to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory.

The United States HAS jurisdiction which is a certain defined power within its territory. A document and a government's actual power are two very different subjects which the borfoon conflates.

Poor Dufus has not even addressed the essential elements of jurisdiction. Power, authority, and territory.

Pathetically psychotic.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#173964 Oct 4, 2013
wojar wrote:
And the ACA also upheld by USSC. Sorry if your grandkids didn't get ice cream every day.
ObamaKare was illegally passed with out a single vote from any Republican. Nearly eighty percent of the people in this country do not want an part of Obama's signature bill.
Dale

United States

#173965 Oct 4, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Crash and burn. Pathetic.
A country has a certain jurisdiction whether it is a constitutional republic, monarchy, or other form of government. A definition of jurisdiction of a government is not dependent on any particular form of government. See for example the definition in Black's Law Dictionary.
jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory;
The Constitution makes reference to the jurisdiction of the United States.(Does Dufus believe this is a self-reference to the constitution?) Dale seems incapable of defining the jurisdiction of the United States; rather he conflates the terms constitution and jurisdiction. While authority to exercise power flows from the constitution, jurisdiction i.e., the actual power to exercise within the dominion is not a document. The limits of a jurisdiction are not the four corners of a document but a territory over which dominion is exercised.
He seems to believe that the jurisdiction of the United States, the power to exercise authority within its borders is limited to its own citizens. This turns the notion of sovereignty on its head. A country needs no permission from a foreign power to govern within its own borders.
Dale needs to get educated and to grow up.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! The Constitution is the law that binds us into a nation, keep on violating it, soon there won't be a USA, just 50 different nations.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#173966 Oct 4, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The only people I have known without a country was the black man in the US and to this day, they still don't know. They call themselves African/American, there isn't any such country called Africa or America.
Barack Obama is Kenyan/American and is not a descendent of any (African/American) that lived in the United States before The Civil War.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#173967 Oct 4, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! I couldn't careless how many stateless people are in the word, the only people that are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof are US Citizens.
Obama was born a citizen of his father's country, with citizenship comes the natural allegiance, whether born in Kenya or the US.
So Dufus doesn't care how many stateless people there are? Pretty odd since he was so hot and bothered about getting an answer about which country was an alien's country though seemingly unaware that there need be no country.

Duh!

Simply saying so doesn't make it so. Neither the founders nor the framers of the 14th Amendment believed in the Play Law definition of jurisdiction. It is the intent of Congress according to their words as construed by the US courts that determines the meaning of the 14th Amendment and not some silly disjointed meaningless rambling babble from an uneducated grandiose psycho.

And Dufus has it arse backwards. Natural born citizenship derives from the tie of natural allegiance according to the law as understood in this country since its founding. Dufus cannot change that by simply saying otherwise.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many stateless people in the world. The fact that Dufus is ignorant doesn't change that fact.
It is not the alien's relationship with a foreign country that makes him an alien but his lack of tie to the country he resides in that makes him an alien. For this reason it wouldn't matter if 100 countries considered Obama as a citizen when he was born. All that matters is according to US law he was born a US citizen. He was born with the tie of natural allegiance (allegiance by birth) by birth on US soil.
Natural allegiance “In American law, That allegiance due from citizens of the United States to their native or adopted country, and which, it seems, cannot be renounced without the permission of government, to be declared by law. 2 Kent’s Com. 43-49.” Alexander Mansfield Burrill, 2 A Law Dictionary and Glossary, at 220 (2nd ed. 1870).
<quoted text>
Dale

United States

#173968 Oct 4, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The constitution has no power to exercise authority and is therefore not a jurisdiction. Authority flows from the constitution but it is the government that exercises authority. Thus the "jurisdiction of the United States" refers to the general power of the government to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory.
The United States HAS jurisdiction which is a certain defined power within its territory. A document and a government's actual power are two very different subjects which the borfoon conflates.
Poor Dufus has not even addressed the essential elements of jurisdiction. Power, authority, and territory.
Pathetically psychotic.
LMAO!!! If that were so, the states can start making the citizens, again!
LMAOI!!! The Constitution is the government, we are a Constitutional Republic, therefore we are governed by the Constitution (under its jurisdiction), like it or not.
hiwwittle

Pittsburgh, PA

#173969 Oct 4, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
hi there
Dale

United States

#173970 Oct 4, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Barack Obama is Kenyan/American and is not a descendent of any (African/American) that lived in the United States before The Civil War.
Obama is just a Kenyan Citizen, he wasn't naturalized into the US, he was too busy smoking dope, "shucking and jiving" and trying to get over on the "man".

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#173971 Oct 4, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! The Constitution is the law that binds us into a nation, keep on violating it, soon there won't be a USA, just 50 different nations.
Whoop-Dee-Doo! Dale has learned that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Two gold stars for little Dale.

And the constitution empowers the government to exercise authority within the United States over both citizens and aliens. Indeed aliens are taxed by the government per its jurisdiction.

Indeed, the power to naturalize aliens is specified in the constitution, who Dufus fantasizes are beyond US jurisdiction (without special permission from a foreign power) though within US borders.

Pathetic.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Crash and burn. Pathetic.
A country has a certain jurisdiction whether it is a constitutional republic, monarchy, or other form of government. A definition of jurisdiction of a government is not dependent on any particular form of government. See for example the definition in Black's Law Dictionary.
jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory;
The Constitution makes reference to the jurisdiction of the United States.(Does Dufus believe this is a self-reference to the constitution?) Dale seems incapable of defining the jurisdiction of the United States; rather he conflates the terms constitution and jurisdiction. While authority to exercise power flows from the constitution, jurisdiction i.e., the actual power to exercise within the dominion is not a document. The limits of a jurisdiction are not the four corners of a document but a territory over which dominion is exercised.
He seems to believe that the jurisdiction of the United States, the power to exercise authority within its borders is limited to its own citizens. This turns the notion of sovereignty on its head. A country needs no permission from a foreign power to govern within its own borders.
Dale needs to get educated and to grow up.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#173972 Oct 4, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Formal definition of jurisdiction, everyone know that the jurisdiction over the US is the Constitution. We are a Constitutional Republic, this means the Constitution has jurisdiction over the US and all branches of government.
Sorry Dale, it is the federal government that has jurisdiction, the power to exercise federal authority over all persons and things within it's territories.

The United States of America has territory, not the Constitution. Duh!

And if the United States were to change its form of government to a pure internet-based democracy, it would still be the US government that exercises authority.

It is the branches of government which form the government that possesses jurisdiction.

In a case of Law of the Sea the question may arise "which country has jurisdiction"? For example the US or Canada. Only an idiot would say "da constitooshun!"

Dufus is not working with a full deck.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#173973 Oct 4, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! If that were so, the states can start making the citizens, again!
LMAOI!!! The Constitution is the government, we are a Constitutional Republic, therefore we are governed by the Constitution (under its jurisdiction), like it or not.
Nope. The constitution spells out the form of government. It specifies the metes and bounds. The constitution is no more a government than is a blueprint an automobile or piece of machinery.

If you cannot understand that you are suffering from sever cognitive disorder.

A blueprint specifies the structure of a machine but it is the machine that has the power to act.

Similarly the constitution specifies the form of the government, but it is the government that has the jurisdiction, i.e., the power to act over its territories.

The United States has the power to regulate the behavior of aliens within its territories without any permission from any foreign state. Aliens in the US are under the jurisdiction of the United States. But the constitution, a set of laws, has no power to act.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The constitution has no power to exercise authority and is therefore not a jurisdiction. Authority flows from the constitution but it is the government that exercises authority. Thus the "jurisdiction of the United States" refers to the general power of the government to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory.
The United States HAS jurisdiction which is a certain defined power within its territory. A document and a government's actual power are two very different subjects which the borfoon conflates.
Poor Dufus has not even addressed the essential elements of jurisdiction. Power, authority, and territory.
Pathetically psychotic.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#173974 Oct 4, 2013
What a breakthrough! You finally see yourself as you really are! LMAO!!!

Simply saying so doesn't make it so. Neither the founders nor the framers of the 14th Amendment believed in the Play Law definition of jurisdiction. It is the intent of Congress according to their words as construed by the US courts that determines the meaning of the 14th Amendment and not some silly disjointed meaningless rambling babble from an uneducated grandiose psycho.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#173975 Oct 4, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Whoop-Dee-Doo! Dale has learned that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Two gold stars for little Dale.
And the constitution empowers the government to exercise authority within the United States over both citizens and aliens. Indeed aliens are taxed by the government per its jurisdiction.
Indeed, the power to naturalize aliens is specified in the constitution, who Dufus fantasizes are beyond US jurisdiction (without special permission from a foreign power) though within US borders.
Pathetic.
<quoted text>
What a clown you are, Twinkerbelle! If you can't (or won't) understand what the founding fathers intended, then you need not go any further. child

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#173976 Oct 4, 2013
Yep, Jacqueau will probably claim I am a racist because I brought this to your attention.

In the 503 days between the Trayvon Martin shooting and the George Zimmerman verdict ...... 10,865 blacks where killed but other blacks. Now, name one of them!

ALSO:
The United States ranks 3rd in Murders throughout the World.

But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the Bottom for Murders.

These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States.

All 4 are also controlled by Democrats.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data ....... RIGHT....RIGHT?
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#173977 Oct 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Since when does lying, out of court, an impeachable offence? I noticed you did not mention Bill Clinton and he was the only one impeached and it was for lying ..... in court!!!
See, you do not understand our Constitution. You read into it things you want and disregard the things that upset you!
He also failed to mention Benghazi and the weapons being funneled to Syria through that operation. I am also not happy with many republicans, did not vote for W the second time around because of the massive spending and debt that was added to the backs of our children during his term. The difference to me is that the democrats are all parrots and do as their told. They demand we expand government and invade and control our privacy. What a joke that "the real news" believes that the democrats are the defenders of the constitution. At least the republican party is currently trying to re-direct itself back to some its original principles of smaller government, scaling back regulations, and lowering the tax burden on our citizens. Do I think that the republicans are great. Not by a long shot. Thats why I'm working to change that. As for racism, it's the democrats that believe black americans are inferior to whites, and legislate to give them "advantages" as a result. Democrats are the ones that not only disagree, which is expected in politics, but propagandize lies intended to deeply polarize this countries citizens against one another and foment outright hate. I've simply decided to play into their game and hate them back. Poke me in the chest democrats, and see how I respond. Trust me, I have no fear of them, and will do what I can to inflict pain where it belongs.
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#173978 Oct 5, 2013
The intent of the constitution was to LIMIT government and what power it had over the citizens. Before America existed, there was pretty much just two classes of people. Those who had the gold, land and all the power, and then the people they used to serve them. This is the model the democrats are pushing on the country under the false pretense that our government can and will take care of us, and they are willing to tell any lie necessary to accomplish that.

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