BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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You're easily fooled, aren't you?
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<quoted text>Look at your original post! I'm not claiming anything, just wondering what you meant by it. Bit touchy, are we?
Your inability to comprehend English is not my problem. I meant exactly what I said. I believe the US should remove religious concerns from foreign policy. You disagree?
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"You" brought it up, dipshyt! LMAO!
Huh? "You blow chunks" is a mature discourse? What playground did you pick that up from?
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I understand you all too well Bigot
LMAO!!! Looks like I am coming up in the world, I'm just a bigot now and not a racist!!!
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Dufus should also look up the difference between rebuttal and ROFL.
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LMAO!!! Yep, every time you post it is a ROFL moment!! Keep up the great comedy routine, we do appreciate a good "laff"!!!
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Precisely, you are right about the "you can't read into the Constitution" part.
You can't read into the Constitution something that is not there, and there is not a single word in the Constitution that bars either the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens from becoming president.
Not a word. If the writers of the Constitution had meant to bar the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens, they could easily have said so---but they didn't. Not only did they not write it into the Constitution, but none of the members of the Constitutional Convention said so in any of their writings either.
And, BTW, John Jay was an expert in THE COMMON LAW. So, if the had intended to use the term Natural Born Citizen differently than the term Natural Born was used in the common law, he would have said so----and he didn't.
Under both strict construction judicial interpretation and libertarian principles if something is not specifically barred by the Constitution or by law, it is permitted. And there is not a single word in the US Constitution or any law that bars either the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens from becoming president. Not a word.
LMAO!!! What would you call that one little stipulation, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof"?
As we all know aliens and foreigners are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution.
Why do you keep bringing up Common Law, citizenship hasn't been under Common Law sine 1866/1868.
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You cannot read into the Constitution something that is not there. And there isn't a single word IN the Constitution that bars the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens from becoming president. And, as noted earlier, Bingham also said:
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
LMAO!!!

1. As I have stated before, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof". Aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, so there isn't any such thing as a dual-citizenship.

2. That is right, the 14th Amendment (1868) made sure that aliens born here wouldn't be granted citizenship.
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Both legal and illegal aliens, and in fact everyone in the USA (except for foreign diplomats) ARE in fact taxed under the US Constitution. Everyone in the USA (except for foreign diplomats) is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
You cannot read into the Constitution something that is not there. And there isn't a single word IN the Constitution that bars the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens from becoming president. And, as noted earlier, Bingham also said:
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
Regardless of the nuts Sheriff Joe and Donald Trump, etc., Obama's birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly, and birthers have not even shown that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---and very very few 18-year-olds did in those days. Yet they would like gullible people to simply assume that she was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths, and that the birth certificate of Hawaii is forged and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii who have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and the long form to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him are lying.
LMAO!!! Your post has been answered many time.
As for Obama being born in Hawaii, he could have been born in the Oval Office, he still wouldn't be a US citizen, since aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution.

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<quoted text>What is centrist about ignoring Republicans? What is centrist about illegally passing the ObamaKare bill through reconciliation and without a single Republican vote? What is centrist about using Executive Orders to pass radical left wing agenda? What is centrist about telling lies? What is centrist about telling 87% of the population they have to sacrifice in order to support one half of one percent of the country?
Sorry Frank, Obama didn't illegally pass the bill. He signed it. he's the PRESIDENT.

BTW, Frank, the ACA has been upheld by the Supreme Court, so claiming it is invalid will not fly.

Ignoring the Republicans? There's nothing to negotiate. The ACA is not a bill that is being debated before passage. It is the law. It has been the law for three years. It was affirmed by the Supreme Court and the American voters rejected the man who vowed to repeal it. Over forty repeal attempts have failed in Congress. It's time for the Tea Baggers to grow up and get over their infantile tantrum.
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<quoted text>His policies have been centrist. Talking heads like GB and Windbaugh don't make it so [radical agenda] by screaming Alinsky, Coward, Piven, and playing degrees of separation games. The insurance mandate model was proposed by that radical left wing fringe group, The Heritage Foundation.

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<quoted text>LMAO!!!
1. As I have stated before, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof". Aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, so there isn't any such thing as a dual-citizenship.
2. That is right, the 14th Amendment (1868) made sure that aliens born here wouldn't be granted citizenship.
"I have stated ...."

Whoop Dee Doo! The little twit has stated a non sequitur and nobody cares.

A declaration that flies in the face of reason that nobody who is anybody gives a crap about.

Yup, that's Dufus Dale!
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You cannot read into the Constitution something that is not there. And there isn't a single word IN the Constitution that bars the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens from becoming president. And, as noted earlier, Bingham also said:
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
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Precisely, you are right about the "you can't read into the Constitution" part.
You can't read into the Constitution something that is not there, and there is not a single word in the Constitution that bars either the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens from becoming president.
Not a word. If the writers of the Constitution had meant to bar the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens, they could easily have said so---but they didn't. Not only did they not write it into the Constitution, but none of the members of the Constitutional Convention said so in any of their writings either.
And, BTW, John Jay was an expert in THE COMMON LAW. So, if the had intended to use the term Natural Born Citizen differently than the term Natural Born was used in the common law, he would have said so----and he didn't.
Under both strict construction judicial interpretation and libertarian principles if something is not specifically barred by the Constitution or by law, it is permitted. And there is not a single word in the US Constitution or any law that bars either the US-born children of foreigners or dual citizens from becoming president. Not a word.
LMAO!!! The Constitution tell you what the law is, if it isn't in the Constitution, it isn't the law. As it stands now, only citizens are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" (US Constitution).(See the 14th Amendment)
Guess you better get yourself an amendment.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! Looks like I am coming up in the world, I'm just a bigot now and not a racist!!!
Your Mom must be so proud

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Ever since 1790 it has been required that prior to naturalization in the US that aliens must be "under the jurisdiction" of the United States for a period of years. That means they had to be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States before they could be citizens.

Play Law cannot change that fact.
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"I have stated ...."
Whoop Dee Doo! The little twit has stated a non sequitur and nobody cares.
A declaration that flies in the face of reason that nobody who is anybody gives a crap about.
Yup, that's Dufus Dale!
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LMAO!!! How would you know, you're just a low information tool.
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Your Mom must be so proud
LMAO!!! She sure is!!

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Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! How would you know, you're just a low information tool.
Yeah, right, the USSC, the courts, the Congress, and legal scholars throughout the US are low information tools that are simply unaware of the Play Law genius-in-his-own-mind.
wojar wrote:
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"I have stated ...."
Whoop Dee Doo! The little twit has stated a non sequitur and nobody cares.
A declaration that flies in the face of reason that nobody who is anybody gives a crap about.
Yup, that's Dufus Dale!
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Ever since 1790 it has been required that prior to naturalization in the US that aliens must be "under the jurisdiction" of the United States for a period of years. That means they had to be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States before they could be citizens.
Play Law cannot change that fact.
LMAO!!! Big difference in "under the jurisdiction" and "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" (US Constitution). When you are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" you are a citizen.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! How would you know, you're just a low information tool.
Wojar and his silly facts sure put a crimp in Play Law, don't they?
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<quoted text>ObamaKare is not the state health care program adopted by Massachusetts,not even close. Every state adopted state health care programs,but none was over 2700 pages or over fifty taxes. ObamaKare was basically Hillary Kare with a lot of additional taxes and requirement like taking dollars from our citizens to send to people three thousand miles away.
Why do you continue to believe the liars on Fox News and Rightwing Corporate Radio?

Liberal/Progressives wanted Single Payer Medicare For All Americans or even a Public Option .......

....... PERIOD.

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Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
October 1, 1989 / http://tinyurl.com/8xb6rd9
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu...

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Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
March 30th, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/26xm72p
EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily talking to conservative policy experts outside of Heritage -- solidified our initial conclusions. Below is the updated version of our story, which retains the rating of Mostly True, published April 26, 2010.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

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Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan
Feb 23, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/amcg2tz
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."
Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
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Ever since 1790 it has been required that prior to naturalization in the US that aliens must be "under the jurisdiction" of the United States for a period of years. That means they had to be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States before they could be citizens.
Play Law cannot change that fact.
LMAO!!! Aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)", if this weren't so, we wouldn't need the Naturalization process.(See 14th Amendment)
Answer me one question! What citizenship does an alien hold prior to his naturalization?

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