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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#173493 Oct 1, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Ragweed is a real terror also. WGAS?
And the moron still has no facts.

If he wishes to dispute the

1. significant contribution of fossil fuel burning to US atmospheric SO2
or
2. the significant health and environmental effects of SO2

he will need more than Rouge's ignorant testimonial.

Right now all he has is name-calling rants.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Says the moron sans facts. The health effects of oxide of sulfur are well established as are the quantitative data.
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#173494 Oct 1, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
So what happens when 2016 rolls around and we have a new president?
Will he still be the antichrist?
Or will you move on to the next guy?
She, not he!

LOL

HRC
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#173495 Oct 1, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
All smoke and mirrors. FACT: Bush FY2009 Budget was submitted in Feb. 2008 at only $2.7T. By the time Speaker San Fran Nan Pelosi rewrote it and OBAMA signed it into law it had ballooned to $3.7 TRILLION. And they have been spending at the $3.7T rate every year since except for FY2013 because of Sequester!!!
Bush and Cheney Republicans destroyed Middle Class and Working Poor Americans and were warned about a financial meltdown and did nothing about it.

Instead of bailing out average Americans Bush and Cheney only bailed out Wall Street.

PROOF:

GAO's Walker Sounds An Alarm
http://tinyurl.com/2aptf5 11.05.06 Nov. 5, 2006
Accountants don't often speak in revolutionary tones, but these days David Walker, head of the U.S. Government Accountability Office sounds a lot more like Thomas Paine than your average calculator-carrying CPA.
"History has shown that when America faces difficult challenges and when it rises to the occasion, anything is possible," he said in an interview. Yet “a fiscal cancer,” he said,“is growing within us, that if we don't treat, can have catastrophic consequences."
http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/05/walker-gao-c...
Frank

Spokane, WA

#173496 Oct 1, 2013
United States needs health care reform. Health care costs have risen significantly since Obama has been in office. The ObamaKare bill was never designed to reduce health care costs,increase health care standards,reduce insurance costs, or to insure that every citizen had health insurance. There are more people uninsured today than before ObamKare was passed,by over fifty percent. The insurance exchange that Obama is touting will not reduce the number of uninsured below the pre-Obama level and will not give people free insurance or do anything except cause insurance costs to increase. Why would anyone support ObamaKare? The only possible answer is that Obama doesn't care about the people or the best interest of our country,and his supporters only care about Obama's image. Once they find out how bad this legislation is, Obama's term will be over and the damage will already be done. Why didn't the Democrats stop this when Pelosi made her infamous pass the bill statement. BTW, contrary to Obama's comments over the past few days,the bill was passed illegitimately and no Republicans signed it. Why don't Democrats correct him when he lies about how it was passed? Do all Democrats have brain blockage?
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#173497 Oct 1, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya know if you punish the, so called, rich, you punish the working class? How many jobs did Steve Jobs and Bill Gates make?!? And if a family farm has to be sold because of inheritance taxes and gets bought out by a large corporation, who benefits?
Yep, you are a commie!
The wealthy has never been punished in America except when Republican President General Eisenhower had them paying 91% in taxes and had a balanced budget for average Americans.

The wealthy punished YOU ROGUE every single day and you accept that abuse.

Gates and Jobs employ millions and millions of Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, NOT MANY AMERICANS etc. etc. etc.

Bob Dylan wrote this song in 1983 when Ronald Reagan and Daddy Bush were in the White House.

---------

Back in the 1950's when General Eisenhower was President the wealthiest top 1% of Americans had to pay 91% in taxes.

Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to dictatorship.

Ignorant masses who have to be marginalized for their own good.

In the twentieth century it was the Liberal Progressive Era that benefited most Americans.

The New Deal, The Fair Deal, The GI Bill, and the Great Society.

----------

Union Sundown
Well, my shoes, they come from Singapore,
My flashlight's from Taiwan,
My tablecloth's from Malaysia,
My belt buckle's from the Amazon.
You know, this shirt I wear comes from the Philippines
And the car I drive is a Chevrolet,
It was put together down in Argentina
By a guy makin' thirty cents a day.

Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.

Well, this silk dress is from Hong Kong
And the pearls are from Japan.
Well, the dog collar's from India
And the flower pot's from Pakistan.
All the furniture, it says "Made in Brazil"
Where a woman, she slaved for sure
Bringin' home thirty cents a day to a family of twelve,
You know, that's a lot of money to her.

Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.

Well, you know, lots of people complainin' that there is no work.
I say, "Why you say that for
When nothin' you got is U.S.-made?"
They don't make nothin' here no more,
You know, capitalism is above the law.
It say, "It don't count 'less it sells."
When it costs too much to build it at home
You just build it cheaper someplace else.

Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.

Well, the job that you used to have,
They gave it to somebody down in El Salvador.
The unions are big business, friend,
And they're goin' out like a dinosaur.
They used to grow food in Kansas
Now they want to grow it on the moon and eat it raw.
I can see the day coming when even your home garden
Is gonna be against the law.

Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.

Democracy don't rule the world,
You'd better get that in your head.
This world is ruled by violence
But I guess that's better left unsaid.
From Broadway to the Milky Way,
That's a lot of territory indeed
And a man's gonna do what he has to do
When he's got a hungry mouth to feed.

Well, it's sundown on the union
And what's made in the U.S.A.
Sure was a good idea
'Til greed got in the way.
Copyright ©1983
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/union-sundown
Frank

Spokane, WA

#173498 Oct 1, 2013
Fox News Propaganda wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush and Cheney Republicans destroyed Middle Class and Working Poor Americans and were warned about a financial meltdown and did nothing about it.
Instead of bailing out average Americans Bush and Cheney only bailed out Wall Street.
PROOF:
GAO's Walker Sounds An Alarm
http://tinyurl.com/2aptf5 11.05.06 Nov. 5, 2006
Accountants don't often speak in revolutionary tones, but these days David Walker, head of the U.S. Government Accountability Office sounds a lot more like Thomas Paine than your average calculator-carrying CPA.
"History has shown that when America faces difficult challenges and when it rises to the occasion, anything is possible," he said in an interview. Yet “a fiscal cancer,” he said,“is growing within us, that if we don't treat, can have catastrophic consequences."
http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/05/walker-gao-c...
You have this all backwards. Bush actually went to Congress multiple times to try to stop the problems. Of course, after the November 2006 election Bush no longer had a chance and basically gave up on attempted to get the Democrats to change.

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#173500 Oct 1, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
Nothing we can say or do will stop this Kenyan-born Antichrist. All we can really do is get right with God by inviting Jesus into our hearts and surrendering our lives to Him. John 3:16
Lisin the Antichrist is called MABUS
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#173501 Oct 1, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
Nothing we can say or do will stop this Kenyan-born Antichrist. All we can really do is get right with God by inviting Jesus into our hearts and surrendering our lives to Him. John 3:16
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#173502 Oct 1, 2013
Continuing...

Is that all? NO there is more.

Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?

That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document.(Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.

That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.

So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.

And, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money (Obama’s American grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother was just a low-level employee in a bank at the time) or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.

The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was not born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#173503 Oct 1, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
And herein lies Barack HUSSEIN Obama's problems for whether he was born in Kenya as some claim or whether he was born in Hawaii as others claim...his American citizen mother did NOT reside in the U.S. for 5 years after age 14 as she was 18 years of age when Obama was born...only 4 years after reaching the mandatory 14 years of age...and Obama was born in 1964 so he comes under the same rules of law as Ted Cruz does.
This simple fact makes Barack HUSSEIN Obama ineligible to be President NO matter which side of the 'birther' vs 'non-birther' battle one is on.[...]
Answer: Obama was born in HAWAII, and the evidence for that is OVERWHELMING.

And, guess what, every child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen regardless of the age of the mother of the time and regardless of the citizenship of the parents at the time of birth. Birth on US soil is sufficient. Yes, even anchor babies, children born to illegal immigrants on US soil, are Natural Born US Citizens because that is what the term Natural Born MEANS. The expression comes from the common law (not from Vattel, who is not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers) and includes every child born on the soil of a country except for the children of foreign diplomats.

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”—Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

Still don't believe? Well there are TEN appeals court rulings on Obama's and McCain's NBC status and every single one of them said that the US Supreme Court had defined the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in the Wong Kim Ark case (which, BTW, was AFTER Minor v. Happersett, which did not say what birthers think in any case). And every single one of them said that the US Supreme Court had ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that EVERY child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen. That is regardless of the citizenship of the parents at the time and regardless of the age of the mother at the time.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#173505 Oct 1, 2013
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#173506 Oct 1, 2013
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

(These links will work better than those shown above.)

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natura...

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#173507 Oct 1, 2013
Again Obama is a half hour late for a speech. It seems the more Liberal a person is,the more they are late. And then he attacks the Republicans for being late!!!
Oh, you remember Bill Clinton's event where he was late and Bono did an impersonation of Bill?!? Just in case you did not see it, here it is;
Dale

Wichita, KS

#173508 Oct 1, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org /2009/01/the-great-mother-of-a ll-natural-born-citizen-quotat ion-pages/
LMAO!!!
"All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together..Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are in theory born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons. 2 Kent Com. 1 ; Calven's Case, 7 Coke, 1 ; 4 Black. Com. 366 ; Lynch v. Clark, 1 Sandf. Ch. 139.
Looks like everyone has forgotten that we haven't used English common law since Apr 9, 1866, citizenship at this time comes under Constitutional Law.
At the moment of birth, Jr. was a citizen of his father's nation, just a fact that precludes him from being a citizen of the US, since the Constitution has never recognized a dual-citizenship.(See 14th Amendment)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#173509 Oct 1, 2013
Fox News Propaganda wrote:
<quoted text>
The wealthy has never been punished in America except when Republican President General Eisenhower had them paying 91% in taxes and had a balanced budget for average Americans.
What was the tax rate under Truman? Under FDR? Under HOOVER? But that evil Republican Eisenhower is bad to the bone.
http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation....
Dale

Wichita, KS

#173510 Oct 1, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
(These links will work better than those shown above.)
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natura...
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
LMAO!!!

Wong Kim Ark v. US, para. 34, "Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship."

We did just that in the 14th Amendment, aliens and foreigners do not receive citizenship ipso facto, they must be naturalized.(See 14th Amendment)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#173511 Oct 1, 2013
In Ike's first year in office the marginal tax rate was 92% above $200k.
The following year it dropped to 91% above $200k.
In 1955 it was 91%......... above $400k where it remained until 1964 (voted in 1963) which reduced it to 77% above $400k
And who did that and why? JOHN F. KENNEDY!!!


Yep, JFK cut taxes in a recession.
And what has Obama done? INCREASED tax in a recession!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#173512 Oct 1, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!
"All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together..Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are in theory born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons. 2 Kent Com. 1 ; Calven's Case, 7 Coke, 1 ; 4 Black. Com. 366 ; Lynch v. Clark, 1 Sandf. Ch. 139.
Looks like everyone has forgotten that we haven't used English common law since Apr 9, 1866, citizenship at this time comes under Constitutional Law.
At the moment of birth, Jr. was a citizen of his father's nation, just a fact that precludes him from being a citizen of the US, since the Constitution has never recognized a dual-citizenship.(See 14th Amendment)
Neither the citizenship of the father NOR dual citizenship of the child at the time of birth has any effect whatever on Natural Born Citizen status. And, in fact, we have already had two presidents before Obama who were dual citizens at the time of birth, Woodrow Wilson because his mother never gave up her British subject status, and Dwight D. Eisenhower because old German laws made the grandchildren of its citizens German citizens at birth. And James Madison actually was a dual citizen at the time that he was president, having been made a full voting citizen of France by the French National Assembly during the French Revolution.

If dual citizen status could have any effect on our definition of Natural Born Citizen, then any foreign country could just pass a law making someone or some group of people citizens of that country and they would not be eligible. Mexico, for example, could just pass a law that said that any child born in Texas was also a Mexican citizen, and if dual citizen status had any effect on their Natural Born Citizen status, they would not be eligible to become president, not one of them.

Fogbow summarizes it this way: http://www.thefogbow.com/birther-claims-debun...

More important is that IF the writers of the US Constitution had wanted people with two or one foreign citizen parent not to be eligible or people who had been born with dual citizenship at the time of birth not to be eligible THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, and they didn't. Under strict construction rules and under libertarian thinking, something is not forbidden unless there is a specific law or constitutional statement that says that it is forbidden, and guess what, there is NO specific statement in the Constitution or in any of the writings of the members of the Constitutional Convention or any of the American leaders at the time that bars the children of foreigners or people who had been born dual citizens from becoming president.

In short there is nothing in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or people who were dual citizens at birth (or dual citizens when president, like James Madison) are not eligible to be president. And, if they did not specifically forbid it, it is not forbidden.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#173513 Oct 1, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!
Wong Kim Ark v. US, para. 34, "Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship."
We did just that in the 14th Amendment, aliens and foreigners do not receive citizenship ipso facto, they must be naturalized.(See 14th Amendment)
A child born on US soil is neither an alien nor a foreigner, nor is she or he a naturalized citizen.

And, if the writers of the US Constitution had intended that the US-born children of foreigners were to not be US citizens at birth or that the US-born children of foreigners were a lower category of citizens who were not eligible to become president, they would have told us---and they didn't.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#173514 Oct 1, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!

Wong Kim Ark v. US, para. 34, "Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship."

We did just that in the 14th Amendment, aliens and foreigners do not receive citizenship ipso facto, they must be naturalized.(See 14th Amendment)
And Dufus fantasizes that this amendment also changed the meaning of the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Dufus makes a habit of being very wrong

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