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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#173262 Sep 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
The Heritage Foundation was behind the insurance mandate when they first proposed it.
From Heritage Lecture 218:
"This mandate is based on two important principles. First, that health care protection is a responsibility of individuals, not businesses. Thus to the extent that anybody should be required to provide coverage to a family, the household mandate assumes that it is the family that carries the first responsibility. Second, it assumes that there is an implicit contract between households and society, based on the notion that health insurance is not like other forms of insurance protection."
Faux conservatives were not screaming SOCIALISM then.
<quoted text>
What Wojo fails to mention that this was not the opinion of The Heritage Foundation but of the writer. Next, Wojor cherry picks bites that he thinks support Obamacare. The article is NINE pages long!!!
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu ...
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Sooo, what's your point? A 65 year old women needs prenatal care? How about a Catholic Nun or a lesbian? Obamacare is bloated with all kinds of junk.
Again, Romneycare was amended in 2009 and again in 2010 and they are still trying to amend it because it costs the state to much.
I say let Obamacare stand the way it was written, no exemption for anyone and no special treatment for government works.
Obamacare will collapse all on it's own.
The point was made quite clearly, Rouge simply doesn't want to see it.

Health insurance mandate created by the Heritage Foundation. Hailed by them when MA adopted such a plan. Suddenly it's socialism when implemented by a Democratic administration in Washington.

And Rouge, Heritage had several economists behind the "Heritage Plan" not just Stuart Butler, Ph. D. that's why it was called "The Heritage Plan."

Does that help you focus your mind Rougie?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Rouge seems to believe that the length of Butler's lecture somehow negates that it supports an individual mandate, that the Heritage Plan was pitched to Congress, that Heritage lauded the individual insurance mandate in Massachusetts and that NOBODY CALLED AN INSURANCE MANDATE 'SOCIALISM' until Democrats got on-board with the plan and actually did something rather than talking about it.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#173263 Sep 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Like the many scientists think we are entering another Little Ice Age?
Obama Warned of Impending Little Ice Age
by ROBERT on AUGUST 15, 2013
“Could be the equivalent of a nuclear winter.”
“Sleepy Solar Cycle Foretells Icy Decades Ahead,” say Friends of Science.“Global Cooling is more likely than Global Warming.”
A Little Ice Age is predicted based on solar patterns. It could be the equivalent of a nuclear winter, says Len Maier, president of Friends of Science.“At such a time, an abundance of carbon dioxide (CO2) would be a benefit. CO2 helps crops grow.”
NASA – Solar patterns are repeating themselves right now
The last “Little Ice Age,” from about 1350-1850, coincided with a period of very low sunspot activity, frigid temperatures and crop failures. NASA reports that such solar patterns are repeating themselves right now as the sun’s cycle 24 “maximum” peaks.
This winter and spring, snow storms blanketed the US and Europe in unexpected fury. This despite Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) scientists previous claims that global warming would make snowfall “a very rare and exciting event“.
Climate models issued by the IPCC overestimated the warming trends in the tropical atmosphere since 1979 by a factor four. Climatologist Roy Spencer from the University of Alabama in Huntsville calls this an “epic failure for the models“.
Governments not prepared for the food crisis
According to Maier, governments are not prepared for the food crisis that would result from global cooling – a 1 or 2 degree drop in temperature.
“Millions of acres of arable land would cease production,” says Maier.
The total solar magnetic flux impact on climate is about seven times greater than what is expected from solar heat changes alone.
“There is clear evidence that temperatures are slowly declining, as is solar activity,” says Friends of Science director Ken Gregory.
No global warming in 16 years
There’s been no global warming in 16 years despite a rise in CO2. The most recent leaked draft of the IPCC’s upcoming report admits there has been no global warming in 15+ years as does the UK Met weather office. Model projections of temperature and snowfall were ridiculously wrong.
See entire article:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/6/prweb108...
Friends of Science? Like I said, crank science.

Len Maier, retired engineer, climate crank.

And NASA has not predicted global cooling.

Sorry, the latest data shows that the earth has been absorbing more heat than it loses even while the sun's irradiance has diminished. Indeed global warming has accelerated in the past 15 years. However, because much of the recent warming has occurred below ocean depths of 700 m junk science climate deniers make believe it isn't happening.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>And Rouge laments crank science doesn't get equal billing.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#173264 Sep 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The point was made quite clearly, Rouge simply doesn't want to see it.
Health insurance mandate created by the Heritage Foundation. Hailed by them when MA adopted such a plan. Suddenly it's socialism when implemented by a Democratic administration in Washington.
And Rouge, Heritage had several economists behind the "Heritage Plan" not just Stuart Butler, Ph. D. that's why it was called "The Heritage Plan."
Does that help you focus your mind Rougie?
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What we have does not work. Obamacare does something benevolent and a bit sinister. I think I have told the story about my 3,400 dollar bill for 5 mins in the ER. That is a result of people not paying their bills and what our current system does to punish those who do.

We already see deductions in our checks for people on welfare. That includes state medical cards. Healthcare providers LOVE state medical cards. They abuse them like muslim women.

I am not a fan of govt. healthcare. I don't think my medical history should be state information. You know what? The IRS is getting huge over this. I guess they are going to be the health gestapo.

Does it bother anyone else that life, death and taxes are going to be run by one govt agency? No?...

That aside, it would be a welcome change to pay my fair share instead of paying through my income and getting raped on the rare occasion I do use medical facilities for my family.

How does it affect the monster that is the pharmaceutical industry? How will it affect the pharmaceutical lobby?

What happens if I already have insurance I am happy with?

Will I even qualify? Isn't the process of qualification downgrading the idea principal of the word "universal" its self?

I don't know enough about it to make a judgement about it. There are parts I don't like. But if it actually is what they say it is... it would be hard to argue against it.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#173265 Sep 28, 2013
"[H]eating continues during the recent upper-ocean-warming hiatus, but the heat is absorbed in the deeper ocean. In the last decade, about 30% of the warming has occurred below 700 m, contributing significantly to an acceleration of the warming trend."

Magdalena A. Balmaseda, Kevin E. Trenberth, and Erland Källén, GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 40, 1754–1759, doi:10.1002/grl.50382, 2013.

Real science, not junk.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#173266 Sep 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Friends of Science? Like I said, crank science.
Len Maier, retired engineer, climate crank.
And NASA has not predicted global cooling.
Sorry, the latest data shows that the earth has been absorbing more heat than it loses even while the sun's irradiance has diminished. Indeed global warming has accelerated in the past 15 years. However, because much of the recent warming has occurred below ocean depths of 700 m junk science climate deniers make believe it isn't happening.
<quoted text>
In time, perhaps you'll understand the importance of standing for something. Then again, maybe not!

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#173267 Sep 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
"[H]eating continues during the recent upper-ocean-warming hiatus, but the heat is absorbed in the deeper ocean. In the last decade, about 30% of the warming has occurred below 700 m, contributing significantly to an acceleration of the warming trend."
Magdalena A. Balmaseda, Kevin E. Trenberth, and Erland Källén, GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 40, 1754–1759, doi:10.1002/grl.50382, 2013.
Real science, not junk.
Global warming happens. And apparently is happening.

What percentage of influence that man has on this is the only thing really being debated in science.

Solutions to this are available. Consider it our trial by fire introduction to terraforming. I find it really exciting.

There are a few camps out there that argue over what the effects will be if our recent trend continues, so we are kind of too far away to even know what we should be doing about it. But this is certainly not the first time this has happened. Our ancestors survived an ice age somehow.

Global warming will not kill off mankind. But it is something to play with while we understand more about our home. Overcoming climate change will be an essential part of our long term survival.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#173268 Sep 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
In time, perhaps you'll understand the importance of standing for something. Then again, maybe not!
Standing for crank science is pathetic.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Friends of Science? Like I said, crank science.
Len Maier, retired engineer, climate crank.
And NASA has not predicted global cooling.
Sorry, the latest data shows that the earth has been absorbing more heat than it loses even while the sun's irradiance has diminished. Indeed global warming has accelerated in the past 15 years. However, because much of the recent warming has occurred below ocean depths of 700 m junk science climate deniers make believe it isn't happening.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#173269 Sep 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
In time, perhaps you'll understand the importance of standing for something. Then again, maybe not!
Standing against carbon taxes and the retarded licencing of pollution is one thing.

Standing against science is another.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#173270 Sep 28, 2013
That right, Scrootiny.
Because America can be such a litigious society, some MD's practice CYA medicine and order an over-abundance of tests for fear of being sued.
I've seen it for myself. Been there, done that.
loose

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#173271 Sep 28, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you intentionally trying to deceive or are you just terribly confused?
The INS counts every human who arrives regardless of whether they are adults, children or infants. A newborn baby would be required either to have a US visa on a foreign passport, and hence would be counted as foreign. Or she or he would have to have a US passport or be entered on the US passport of either the mother (which is usual) or the father, and hence that child would be counted as a US citizen.
A total of 21 people arrived in the USA from Kenya in 1961 and all but one of them came by sea, by ship. That means that unless Obama's mother traveled alone and had baby Obama sent by ship, or baby Obama traveled alone (which is damn unlikely), she and he would have had to have been among the 20 people who arrived by ship------and there were no direct scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in those days. That, plus the birth certificate from Hawaii saying that he was born there, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which could have been sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii, which in 1961 sent those notices only for births in Hawaii) makes it virtually impossible for Obama to have been born in Kenya.(And, BTW, the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born in Kenya.)
Sarcasm. Sorry.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#173272 Sep 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
The words that drip from your lips are verbal diarrhea! That can only mean one thing, you've got shyt for brains! lil raggy
BTW, saving your nickels and dimes for some more "seed" money? LMAO!!!
More great prose : "shyt for brains"

More anal obsessions, this time with the end (pun intended) result. LMAO (LRS tm reg'd)"

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#173273 Sep 28, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed...
You have no voice that can be heard by anyone with one functioning brain cell.
Even your English sounds like French to me.
Flattery will get you everywhere.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#173274 Sep 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Link from a reliable source, please.

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Oil sands death of hundreds of ducks in 2010 blamed on weather, no charges laid

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EDMONTON — The Alberta government says there won’t be any charges against two oil sands companies that own tailings ponds in northern Alberta where hundreds of ducks died two years ago.

The Environment Department released a report by a University of Alberta biologist Thursday that said nothing could have been done when an early winter storm in October 2010 forced the birds to land on the toxic waste ponds belonging to Syncrude and Suncor near Fort McMurray. Others landed on nearby roads and parking lots.

More than 550 birds, many of them covered in oily goo, had to be destroyed.

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The bird deaths came just days after Syncrude agreed to pay $3-million in penalties after 1,600 ducks died on one of its tailings ponds during a storm two years earlier. Pictures of dead and dying birds flashed around the world and Syncrude was cast by its critics as an environmental pariah.

A report by biologist Colleen Cassady St. Clair from the University of Alberta said strong winds, freezing rain and poor visibility forced the birds to land abruptly.

“The weather during, and especially preceding, the landings included a major storm event with high wind speeds and changing wind directions, exactly the conditions that hinder migration,” she said in her report.

The Crown found that the report’s conclusion as well as evidence gathered by provincial investigators left no reasonable chance of conviction, the government said.

Most of the birds that landed on the ponds died because they became covered in bitumen, while the ones who hit the ground probably died from blunt trauma, St. Clair said.

“Newspaper and eyewitness reports described birds as ’falling from the sky’ onto parking lots and highways,” she wrote.“It is conceivable that birds targeted pavement as landing sites because the dark night, low cloud cover and recent precipitation would have caused those surfaces to reflect what little light was available, much as water does.”

news.nationalpost.com/.../oil-sands-death-of-...

==========

This news item is well-known. Hope the link works. If not, you'll of course say it never happened even though I posted the whole story.

Now, where are the links I've been asking, pestering you for? I produce, you don't. I tell the truth every time, you bullsh*t and lit every time.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#173275 Sep 28, 2013
oh no, Rogue, it works. Funny, every time I produce proof or evidence of what I advance, you never have a reply. Now come up with the links I've been asking for eternally. Must be over 50 unanswered. minimum.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#173276 Sep 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Very, very lame, boy.
Lame, perhaps, but oh so true.

Jacques from Ottawa wrote:

<quoted text>
We get it, we get it, loud and clear, LRS, you're gay. Who cares? We are liberated, we accept it. You're the only one who doesn't, yet it concerns no one but you.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#173277 Sep 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The point was made quite clearly, Rouge simply doesn't want to see it.
Health insurance mandate created by the Heritage Foundation. Hailed by them when MA adopted such a plan. Suddenly it's socialism when implemented by a Democratic administration in Washington.
And Rouge, Heritage had several economists behind the "Heritage Plan" not just Stuart Butler, Ph. D. that's why it was called "The Heritage Plan."
Does that help you focus your mind Rougie?
<quoted text>
Ah, Mass. is a socialistic state! And who said it was a "Heritage Plan." Oh, I know, because it was published in The Heritage?!?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#173278 Sep 28, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Global warming happens. And apparently is happening.
What percentage of influence that man has on this is the only thing really being debated in science.
Solutions to this are available. Consider it our trial by fire introduction to terraforming. I find it really exciting.
There are a few camps out there that argue over what the effects will be if our recent trend continues, so we are kind of too far away to even know what we should be doing about it. But this is certainly not the first time this has happened. Our ancestors survived an ice age somehow.
Global warming will not kill off mankind. But it is something to play with while we understand more about our home. Overcoming climate change will be an essential part of our long term survival.
True, the extent of effect of human activity is debatable but I think there is agreement that it is not insignificant.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#173279 Sep 28, 2013
Black Man Goes on Shooting Spree Targeting Only White People
Posted By Philip Hodges on Sep 28, 2013

Here’s another story that won’t make national headlines anywhere. And it probably won’t be investigated as a “hate crime,” even though race had everything do with the attack. Lakim Faust is a black man who went on a shooting spree, armed with 100 rounds of ammo. He only went after the white folk according to a local CBS affiliate:
“A man who shot four people near a Greenville Wal-Mart in June picked out his victims because they were white, according to several indictments handed down against him. Lakim Faust had more than 100 rounds of ammunition when he started shooting at people who were standing outside at a law firm and a shopping center in June, authorities said. A grand jury indicted Faust on 14 charges Monday, including four counts of attempted first-degree murder. Faust, who is black, picked out his victims based on their race, according to the indictments. The documents didn’t specify why Faust wanted to shoot white people, and police have not talked about why he picked out his targets. Earlier reports had indicated that Faust was shooting ‘indiscriminately.’”
Apparently, no one was killed. I guess Faust wasn’t that good of a shot. Of course, police shot Faust and didn’t kill him. He spent some time in the hospital, but now he’s out and in jail.
If only Faust had been a white guy who wanted to kill only black people. Even if he ended up not killing anyone, the media would have gone crazy. They’d start talking about how white-on-black “hate crimes” are on the rise. They’d say that ordinarily they’re opposed to the death penalty but in this case, they’d make an exception. They’d start making all sorts of “connections” about Faust’s political affiliations. They’d claim that Faust was a right-wing extremist with ties to the Tea Party. They’d say he voted for Ron Paul and donated to Rand Paul’s senate campaign. They’d “unearth” some comments that he supposedly made on some racist website. They’d interview members of his family and everyone who claimed to be an old friend of his. His family and “friends” would all say that he had been reclusive for the past several years and that they always knew that he was “up to something.” A few of the ones interviewed would express regret for not reporting his behavior to the police who could have given him a psych evaluation and had him committed, which would have prevented his hate crime shooting spree.
Then they’d cut for commercial which would be an ad from DHS reminding everyone,“If you see something, say something,” followed by a Prozac commercial. And then a Zoloft commercial. And then a Paxil commercial.
But…he was black, and he wanted to kill only white people. So, none of that matters. It’s just a local story. And remember, white people owned black slaves a long time ago, so those white folk sort of had it coming, if you know what I mean. Move along, people. Nothing to see here.

Read more at http://lastresistance.com/3278/black-man-goes...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#173280 Sep 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, Mass. is a socialistic state! And who said it was a "Heritage Plan." Oh, I know, because it was published in The Heritage?!?
“We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage’s plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal 'quality, affordable health care.'”
Avik Roy,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/201...

http://tinyurl.com/n5xjhnh

And Stuart Butler himself referred to "the Heritage Plan" several times.

Now who's plan do you think "Heritage's plan" was?

Even if MA were a socialist state (which it isn't), NOBODY was calling the Heritage plan, "socialist." Duh!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The point was made quite clearly, Rouge simply doesn't want to see it.
Health insurance mandate created by the Heritage Foundation. Hailed by them when MA adopted such a plan. Suddenly it's socialism when implemented by a Democratic administration in Washington.
And Rouge, Heritage had several economists behind the "Heritage Plan" not just Stuart Butler, Ph. D. that's why it was called "The Heritage Plan."
Does that help you focus your mind Rougie?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#173281 Sep 28, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
oh no, Rogue, it works. Funny, every time I produce proof or evidence of what I advance, you never have a reply. Now come up with the links I've been asking for eternally. Must be over 50 unanswered. minimum.
Thank you. Now what about the thousands of bird that are getting chopped up in wind turbines?

Study: Feds underestimated how many birds get killed by wind turbines
“I estimated 888,000 bat and 573,000 bird fatalities/year (including 83,000 raptor fatalities) at 51,630 megawatt (MW) of installed wind-energy capacity in the United States in 2012,” writes K. Shawn Smallwood, author of the study that was published in the Wildlife Society Bulletin.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/23/study-feds-...

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