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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Dale

Wichita, KS

#172978 Sep 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Just answer the question, where'd you get the definition of "socialism"? I gave you mine, Oxford. Yours?
<quoted text>
Never mind the definition, just give me the name of the dictionary you used to define "socialism". God, you are just as obstinate as LRS when he cannot back any of his fraudulent claims.
And so you mock Oxford? To what depths will you descend to showcase your complete ignorance?
LMAO!!! That was answered, I see you failed to understand.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#172979 Sep 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha, as you wrote : "we all know what Oxford is, just another socialist organization!!!["
Who knew? Oxford, eh? What a poor slot.
Admit it, you went to your Webster which correctly defined "Communism". And people like you are allowed to vote?
LMAO!!! What's wrong, does the truth hurt???
Dale

Wichita, KS

#172980 Sep 26, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Well everyone that follows the doctrine of Dufus' playlaw anyway
LMAO!!! You can't stand the truth!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#172981 Sep 26, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The way to lower the debt is to stop wasting money. There is no reason for Obama to increase the debt faster than all previous Presidents combined. Refusing to allow Obama to continue his reckless spending is not default. You realize that Obama has not signed a budget ---- ever. This has been going on for several years,even before the money sucking ObamaKare bill was (fraudulently) passed. Every one knows that a spending or revenue bill can not be passed illegally through the reconciliation process. Tehy are currently working on changing the House bill that arrived at the Senate recently. Reid should either have passed it as received or conceded to repeal ObamaKare.
No reason? he inherited two wars and a financial meltdown from Dumbya.

The Senate has every right to remove the defunding language.

Compulsory insurance was first proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation and introduced by Republicans. It is not a government spending program. Frank needs to check his facts.

What do you call a concept originally hatched by Conservatives but passed by Democrats? If you have dementia you call it Socialism.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't the idiot who suggested default is a way to lower debt.
Get a life, Frank.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#172983 Sep 26, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The statistics are 334 came from Kenya by sea and 1,012 came from Kenya by air. Barack Obama Sr was a Kenyan British subject so his son would have been born a Kenyan British subject. That was British law and Kenyan law. Barack Obama Sr was never a citizen of the United states,not even for one day.
Sorry Frank, it is US law that applies in the US. Not Kenyan or British law -- not even for one day.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172984 Sep 26, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!! Nazism, or National Socialism in full (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th century German Nazi Party and state ...
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Source or dictionary for that socialism definition, please.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172985 Sep 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:

<quoted text>
For once, you're right. NEXT, indeed, as the actual legitimate president of the United States for the last 4.5 years and the next 3.5 years, walks in to the accompaniment of his song, "Hail to the Chief". Eat your heart out, birther LMAO (LRS tm reg'd)
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Sorry, one can't be POTUS and a foreign citizen, even you know this. NEXT!!!
REPEAT :

Jacques from Ottawa wrote:

<quoted text>
For once, you're right. NEXT, indeed, as the actual legitimate president of the United States for the last 4.5 years and the next 3.5 years, walks in to the accompaniment of his song, "Hail to the Chief". Eat your heart out, birther LMAO (LRS tm reg'd) NEXT !!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172986 Sep 26, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! That was answered, I see you failed to understand.
This is just too much like LRS, and somewhat Rogue, replying that it was answered when the liar knows full well, as everyone else does, that it was NOT answered. We still don't have the name of that dictionary that you used to define "socialism", liar.

Admit you got the definition from Webster and that the definition was for the word "communism", NOT socialism. Do you really not care how lying and foolish you look? Give me the post number where you gave that answer, that is to say, the name of the dictionary.

And at the same time, your source for all those Kenyans coming to Hawaii in 1961.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172987 Sep 26, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! UK, Spain, Germany!!! LMAO!!! You have to better than that!!!
Better than 3 of the 5 biggest contributors to the European Union, better than Germany, the country that is the driver and most prosperous in Europe, and in the world's top 5 ? Are you THAT ignorant?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172988 Sep 26, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! What's wrong, does the truth hurt???
Oh, so you did, it WAS the definition of communism. So ignorant, you don't even know the difference. You ARE allowed to vote, right?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172989 Sep 26, 2013
Where is Poppo? I miss his reasoned, intelligent and well-written posts.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#172990 Sep 26, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The statistics are 334 came from Kenya by sea and 1,012 came from Kenya by air. Barack Obama Sr was a Kenyan British subject so his son would have been born a Kenyan British subject. That was British law and Kenyan law. Barack Obama Sr was never a citizen of the United states,not even for one day.
Here is the US INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) Report for 1961:

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim196...

Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals, all but one of which was BY SEA.

On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by ship in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

There were, by the way, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961 (although of course there could have been a tramp steamer).

Oh, and (1) there is no evidence that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961, and at the time very very few 18-year-olds did have passports; and (2) in 1961 very very very few women traveled outside the country in the last few months of pregnancy due to the risk of stillbirths.

Birthers would have us simply ASSUME that Obama's mother was one of the very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the extremely few US women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy (and it could not have been earlier in her pregnancy because she was attending college) and that the birth certificate of Hawaii that says the was born there is lying and the officials of both parties that have repeatedly confirmed it are lying---and that so is the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii and the teacher who wrote home, etc. etc.

Getting back to the Kenya figures. The INS report cited shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya TOTAL, not 334 by sea and 1,012 by air.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#172991 Sep 26, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Several points. Obama Care only slightly resembles "Romney Care". Next, "Romney Care" was coined but Democrats who wrote Romney Care. The real name is the " Massachusetts health care insurance reform law".
And currently the Mass. State legislature Lower House is 65%% Democrat and the Upper House is 90% and "Romey Care" passed with a veto proof vote so it did not matter one iota if Romeny vetoed it.
Now it was the Republicans coined the term Obama Care and Obama seems to like that. But if it fails, his only significant accomplishment will have failed!
Linktv org wrote:
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Shame on you.
I thought you were smarter than that.
After all these years you still do not know who writes legislation?
HINT: Big Pharma and Big HMOs.
They did the same with Bush & Cheney's Senior Citizen Prescription Drug bills in 2003 and 2006.
ALL AMERICANS ARE STILL PAYING THE HIGHEST PRICES FOR MEDICINES IN THE WORLD.
With All Due Respect,
LIZ FOWLER & BILLY TAUZIN
Revolving door for health care aides / 9/15/09 / http://tinyurl.com/q243zq
Some of the most influential aides in the closed-door Senate Finance Committee negotiations over health care reform have ties to interests that would be directly affected by the legislation.
Before she was hired last year as senior counsel to Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Liz Fowler worked as a highly paid public policy adviser for WellPoint Inc., the nation’s largest publicly traded health benefits company.
Mark Hayes, health policy director and chief health counsel for Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), is married to a registered lobbyist for a firm that represents drug companies and hospital groups, although the couple says she doesn’t lobby Grassley’s office.
Frederick Isasi, a health policy adviser to Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), was a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, where his clients included public hospitals and the American Stroke Association.
Kate Spaziani, senior health policy aide to Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), was also a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, although Conrad’s office says she worked as a lawyer — not as a lobbyist — for public hospitals on Medicare issues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/271...
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A Rancid Deal with Big Pharma
August 6, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kydtv7j
So now we know why the president wants everyone to make nice in the healthcare debate. His White House has cut a deal with Big Pharma that smells like the same old rotten politics that candidate Obama regularly denounced and promised to end. The drug industry agrees to deliver $80 billion in future savings and the president promises the government will not use its awesome purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.
Wow. This is roughly the same deal that George W. Bush cut with the drug makers when he was legislating Medicare's new coverage of drug purchases. It is the same bargain that Democrats in Congress universally condemned as wasteful and corrupt. The deal does not smell any better now that a Democratic president is embracing it.
In effect, Obama wants to give away one of the principal objectives of strong reform. The details were spelled out in today's New York Times and revealed by Big Pharma's top-dog lobbyist, Billy Tauzin, a former Republican congressman who leads the industry association. Tauzin called it a "rock-solid deal," and the White House did not dispute as much. But that is not the last word.
http://www.thenation.com/article/rancid-deal-... #
Shame on you. If Big Pharma and Med wrote Romney Care, why did they not also write Bush Care when he was governor of Texas? The fact is that 80% of those who voted for The Massachusetts health care insurance reform law were DEMOCRATS. And The Patient Protection and Formidable Care Act was passed in the Senate without even one Republican vote. In the house ONE Republican voted for it yet 39 DEMOCRATS voted against it.
Joe OBiden

Jacksonville, FL

#172992 Sep 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
Where is Poppo? I miss his reasoned, intelligent and well-written posts.
He probably has that Mongolian VD.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#172993 Sep 26, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The statistics are 334 came from Kenya by sea and 1,012 came from Kenya by air. Barack Obama Sr was a Kenyan British subject so his son would have been born a Kenyan British subject. That was British law and Kenyan law. Barack Obama Sr was never a citizen of the United states,not even for one day.
Continuing: It is true that Obama's father was never a US citizen, but since Obama was born on US soil, in Hawaii----as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home all show----it has no effect whatever.

Obama was and is a Natural Born Citizen due simply to his being born on US soil (and his mother's having being a US citizen also helps, of course):

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”—Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Joe OBiden

Jacksonville, FL

#172994 Sep 26, 2013
And American businessman returns home after a week doing business in Hong Kong. The next morning he woke up and noticed he had blue spots on his love tool and he ran to his doctor.
His doctor examined him and asked him where he had been and he said 'Hong Kong'. He had a weekend fling with the prettiest Chinese girl he had ever met. His doctor checked his reference and said, "You have Mongolian VD"!
"Is is bad", he asked? and his doctor said 'yes' and the only solution was amputation. To which the businessman asked if he could have a second opinion to which his doctor said there was a Chinese doctor across town.
The businessman ran across town and was examined by the Chinese doctor who concurred that he had Mongolian VD. He said it was "Werry werry bad" and the businessman said his doctor had said that too and that he needed to amputate.
The Chinese doctor then said, "Amerikan doctor alway wan to operwate, kosts too much money, no worry, it fall off awl by itself in a week or so"!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#172995 Sep 26, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The statistics are 334 came from Kenya by sea and 1,012 came from Kenya by air. Barack Obama Sr was a Kenyan British subject so his son would have been born a Kenyan British subject. That was British law and Kenyan law. Barack Obama Sr was never a citizen of the United states,not even for one day.
No, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Twenty-one, TOTAL, not 334 by sea and 1,012 by air.

Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for 1961:

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim196...

Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since on Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

There were, by the way, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961 (although of course there could have been a tramp steamer).

Moreover, there has never been any indication that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961----and very few 18-year-olds did, and extremely few women traveled outside of the USA while in the last few months of pregnancy due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet birthers would like rational people to ASSUME that Obama's mother was one of the very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the extremely few pregnant women who traveled abroad, and that she traveled by ship to Kenya and returned by ship from Kenya (thought, BTW, the government of Kenya has said that Obama was not born in Kenya)and that birth certificate of Hawaii was forged and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii who have confirmed that they sent the short form and long form to Obama are lying---and so is the Index Data and so is the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#172996 Sep 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
For once, you're right. NEXT, indeed, as the actual legitimate president of the United States for the last 4.5 years and the next 3.5 years, walks in to the accompaniment of his song, "Hail to the Chief". Eat your heart out, birther LMAO (LRS tm reg'd)
Why should we "eat our heart out"? Obobblehead has been an epic fail from day one! Just like you. Been recycling your toilet paper this morning?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#172997 Sep 26, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Twenty-one, TOTAL, not 334 by sea and 1,012 by air.
Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for 1961:
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim196...
Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.
On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.
So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since on Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).
There were, by the way, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961 (although of course there could have been a tramp steamer).
Moreover, there has never been any indication that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961----and very few 18-year-olds did, and extremely few women traveled outside of the USA while in the last few months of pregnancy due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet birthers would like rational people to ASSUME that Obama's mother was one of the very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the extremely few pregnant women who traveled abroad, and that she traveled by ship to Kenya and returned by ship from Kenya (thought, BTW, the government of Kenya has said that Obama was not born in Kenya)and that birth certificate of Hawaii was forged and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii who have confirmed that they sent the short form and long form to Obama are lying---and so is the Index Data and so is the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Ah, but it does not say where they came from. It said where they "embarked from" and there were very few ships and planes that made a direct trip between Kenya and America. Now if they flew to a European city and then switched planes, they "embarked" from a European country!!!
Next, you sat there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport. Well, has anyone been allowed to check? Have her files been purged?!?
You do know that Dr. Orly Taitz still has an active lawsuit about Obama's fraudulent Selective Service registration, don't you?

Update: No decisio0ns yet in 7 Obama cases. No new date for October in the 4th District. Waiting for DOJ to file a response in the case of Obama’s use of a stolen SSN of Harry Bounel and in the case of Obama using a fabricated stamp on his Selective Service certificate
Posted on | September 9, 2013
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172998 Sep 26, 2013
Joe OBiden wrote:
And American businessman returns home after a week doing business in Hong Kong. The next morning he woke up and noticed he had blue spots on his love tool and he ran to his doctor.
His doctor examined him and asked him where he had been and he said 'Hong Kong'. He had a weekend fling with the prettiest Chinese girl he had ever met. His doctor checked his reference and said, "You have Mongolian VD"!
"Is is bad", he asked? and his doctor said 'yes' and the only solution was amputation. To which the businessman asked if he could have a second opinion to which his doctor said there was a Chinese doctor across town.
The businessman ran across town and was examined by the Chinese doctor who concurred that he had Mongolian VD. He said it was "Werry werry bad" and the businessman said his doctor had said that too and that he needed to amputate.
The Chinese doctor then said, "Amerikan doctor alway wan to operwate, kosts too much money, no worry, it fall off awl by itself in a week or so"!
More senility ? Third time around this one, minimum.

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