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Dale

Wichita, KS

#172633 Sep 23, 2013
Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association told NBC's "Meet the Press" that the nation needs to do more to lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous.
WASHINGTON — Greater efforts are needed to identify and lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous, a top National Rifle Association official responding to the recent Washington Navy Yard shootings said Sunday.
The nation's mental health system is "in complete breakdown," resulting in not enough of the mentally ill being committed to psychiatric hospitals, National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told NBC's "Meet the Press."
"If we leave these homicidal maniacs on the street ... they're going to kill," he said. "They need to be committed is what they need to be. If they are committed, they're not at the Naval Yard."
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If we lockup all the mentally deranged people on the streets, there won't be a democrat party!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#172635 Sep 23, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the info.
I only admire one Floridian for having some good qualities.
Bob Graham, certainly not the Bush family.
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Former Senator Bob Graham Urges Obama to Reopen Investigation into Saudi Role in 9/11 Attacks
September 15, 2011 / http://tinyurl.com/68qa4od
Former Florida governor and senator Bob Graham is calling on President Obama to reopen the investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks after new information has emerged about the possible role of prominent Saudis in the 9/11 plot. According to recent news reports, a wealthy young Saudi couple fled their home in a gated community in Sarasota, Florida, just a week or so before Sept. 11, 2001, leaving behind three cars and nearly all of their possessions. The FBI was tipped off about the couple but never passed the information on to the 9/11 Commission investigating the attacks, even though phone records showed the couple had ties to Mohamed Atta and at least 10 other al-Qaeda suspects. Graham joins us to discuss the news he’s called "the most important thing about 9/11 to surface in the last seven or eight years." As the former chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, a post he held on September 11, 2001, Graham chaired the Congressional Joint Inquiry into the attacks.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/15/former_...
Well, did Pres. Obama reopen that investigation? NOPE!!! And Bob Graham is a wrote Democrat. What ever their leader says, he does. And do you know who holds his seat? Marco Rubio!!!
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#172636 Sep 23, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>December 5, 2001
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
* Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond (Clinton).
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening. Read more.....
Bill Clinton wanted to wiretap al Qaeda terrorist and the Republicans were against it. For 8 years of Clinton the Republicans were only concerned with Monica and nothing else.

ENCLOSED IS PROOF:

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Clinton PDD 63
http://tinyurl.com/cvuom

For Immediate Release May 22, 1998 FACT SHEET PROTECTING AMERICA'S
CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURES: PDD 63
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd-63.htm

Clinton PDD 62
http://tinyurl.com/bze57

COMBATING TERRORISM: PRESIDENTIAL DECISION DIRECTIVE 62
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ciao/62fa...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172637 Sep 23, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! I guess you would be meaning ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN, all others don't count do they!! Hahahahaha!!!!
What a child, how juvenile. You make it look like I'm questioning realnews post on 9/11 warnings by deleting the following :

Dale wrote:

<quoted text>Another fact of history is Bill was offered Bin Laden and refused the offer.

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Not to mention dishonest. And stupid to boot, as if no one would notice. Birther tea party tactics.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172638 Sep 23, 2013
Dale wrote:
Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association told NBC's "Meet the Press" that the nation needs to do more to lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous.
WASHINGTON — Greater efforts are needed to identify and lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous, a top National Rifle Association official responding to the recent Washington Navy Yard shootings said Sunday.
The nation's mental health system is "in complete breakdown," resulting in not enough of the mentally ill being committed to psychiatric hospitals, National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told NBC's "Meet the Press."
"If we leave these homicidal maniacs on the street ... they're going to kill," he said. "They need to be committed is what they need to be. If they are committed, they're not at the Naval Yard."
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If we lockup all the mentally deranged people on the streets, there won't be a democrat party!
Wayne Lapierre should be locked up for starters. People like him are the single biggest threat to the nation.
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#172639 Sep 23, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>December 5, 2001
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
* Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond (Clinton).
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening. Read more.....
TERRORISM PREVENTION ACT--CONFERENCE REPORT
http://tinyurl.com/2lj3t8 / April 17, 1996
Congressional Record: April 17, 1996 (Senate)- Pages S3454-S3478 DOCID:cr17ap96-153
Terrorism prevention Act--Conference Report
Orrin Hatch: Mr. President, again, in the real world, in the case of the Unabomber or a terrorist where there is a real threat or an immediate concern, you do not need this provision to get an emergency wiretap. All the Senator's motion does is expand the number of crimes that would trigger the wiretap statute. This amendment was offered during the Senate debate. It was defeated. It was not a part of the Senate bill. It was not a part of the House bill. It is not a part of our conference report, and rightly so. I oppose this provision that could expand emergency wiretap authority to permit the Government to begin a wiretap prior to obtaining court approval in a greater range of cases than the law presently allows. I personally find this proposal troubling. I am concerned that this provision, if enacted, would unnecessarily broaden emergency wiretap authority. Under current law, such authority exists when life is in danger, when the national security is threatened, or when an organized crime conspiracy is involved. In the real world, we do not need this amendment to get emergency wiretap authority, and that is a fact.
Let me also say that this authority is constrained by a requirement that surveillance be approved by the Court within 48 hours, but that authority already exists in those areas I have addressed.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdo...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#172640 Sep 23, 2013
Dale wrote:
Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association told NBC's "Meet the Press" that the nation needs to do more to lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous.
WASHINGTON — Greater efforts are needed to identify and lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous, a top National Rifle Association official responding to the recent Washington Navy Yard shootings said Sunday.
The nation's mental health system is "in complete breakdown," resulting in not enough of the mentally ill being committed to psychiatric hospitals, National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told NBC's "Meet the Press."
"If we leave these homicidal maniacs on the street ... they're going to kill," he said. "They need to be committed is what they need to be. If they are committed, they're not at the Naval Yard."
==========
If we lockup all the mentally deranged people on the streets, there won't be a democrat party!
It was LBJ and Jimmy Carter who let all the loonies out of the mental hospitals but the Libtards blame Reagan as he closed the EMPTY mental hospitals! It does not matter, in the minds of Libtards, anything that goes bad, was caused by evil Republicans!
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#172642 Sep 23, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, did Pres. Obama reopen that investigation? NOPE!!! And Bob Graham is a wrote Democrat. What ever their leader says, he does. And do you know who holds his seat? Marco Rubio!!!
Rubio is a corporate hack Wall Street lover Tea Bag.

Obama swept the crimes of Bush under the rug just like Clinton did with Iran/Contra.

Ford pardoned Nixon.

Nobody went after LBJ for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.

To be fair that was the reason LBJ did not run.

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The Iran-Contra Affair 20 Years On
Documents Spotlight Role of Reagan, Top Aides
Pentagon Nominee Robert Gates Among Many
Prominent Figures Involved in the Scandal
http://tinyurl.com/y9rduo / November 24, 2006
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210...
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#172643 Sep 23, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>December 5, 2001
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
* Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond (Clinton).
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening. Read more.....
COMPREHENSIVE ANTITERRORISM ACT OF 1995
http://tinyurl.com/ys56o4 / April 18, 1996

Congressional Record: April 18, 1996 (House)- Pages H3605-H3618 Government Printing Office's Online Records: DOCID:cr18ap96-43
Conference Report on s. 735, Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996
Dan Burton (R-Ind): If the Government of the United States can through, quote-unquote, good faith tap our phones and intrude into our lives, they violate our constitutional liberties, and that is something that we should not tolerate, and that is in section 305 and section 307. The FBI can gain access to individual phone billing records without a subpoena or a court order. Once again I believe that infringes upon our constitutional rights and liberties, and while we are trying to deal with terrorism, and we should, we should not violate our constitutional rights and liberties, and I believe this bill in its present form does. And that is why I think the Barr amendment is absolutely essential if we are going to pass something that will really deal with terrorism crime, but protect the liberties that we fought so hard for in the Revolutionary War.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdo...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#172644 Sep 23, 2013
Hummmm, is it really getting that bad in Shitcago? YES!!!

Governor Quinn open to using National Guard to fight Chicago gun violence
September 23, 2013 The Associated Press

Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn says he's open to sending National Guard troops or state police to assist Chicago police with curbing violence if city officials want the help.

He says state police have helped in places like East St. Louis, but only when local authorities coordinate things.

Quinn says he hasn't been approached by Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel yet.

The governor's comments follow a mass shooting at a park on Chicago's southwest side Thursday night. Thirteen people were wounded, including a 3-year-old boy.
http://www.wbez.org/news/governor-quinn-open-...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172646 Sep 23, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
It was LBJ and Jimmy Carter who let all the loonies out of the mental hospitals but the Libtards blame Reagan as he closed the EMPTY mental hospitals! It does not matter, in the minds of Libtards, anything that goes bad, was caused by evil Republicans!
It is my understanding that Carter and LBJ did not let out any mental patients (quit calling them loonies, you insensitive ignorant gross dolt) who had any history of violence. Just the inoffensive ones. Certainly, some may have squeaked through the cracks but that was the exception, not the rule.

As mental health goes, you are unqualified to even utter a single syllable about it, and same for your birther ignoramus colleagues. This program of de-incarceration of mental patients was begun in Italy and Belgium in the 1970s, and the success was such that other countries, including Canada and the USA soon followed. At first I was wary, and when they closed down the final one here in our region, and it housed over 800 patients, I wrote letters to the editor to protest.

Well, I've changed my mind. They have been placed in special homes, all are supervised but the ambiance of a home instead of an institution has so enhanced their outlook on life, their behaviour, has given them such new-found freedom, why, a few have even landed jobs. Simple ones, yes, but jobs nonetheless and the pride and satisfaction is beyond any hope anyone may have entertained. Some of those people are disfigured, have twisted bodies, missing or out-of-kilter limbs and faces worst than the elephant man. Some were worried they would spook the public. Well, they are out there on supervised excursions and just too damn bad for those who don't like it, who don't like to see what the real world is all about, and that there are anomalies even under God.

This last one in Washington, Rogue, with a history of violence, and yes, he should have been under observation, was nevertheless allowed to purchase dangerous firearms, high-magazine firearms too. What's wrong with this picture? Obama never said he was gonna take away anyone's guns, he knows he can't, not can he insist on retroactive checks, all he wanted were background checks on ALL future firearms purchases. This guy, if a proper check had been done, would not have been able to purchase even a pea shooter. But no, "background check" bill was rejected by Republicans AND chicken democrats alike.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172647 Sep 23, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hummmm, is it really getting that bad in Shitcago? YES!!!
Governor Quinn open to using National Guard to fight Chicago gun violence
September 23, 2013 The Associated Press
Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn says he's open to sending National Guard troops or state police to assist Chicago police with curbing violence if city officials want the help.
He says state police have helped in places like East St. Louis, but only when local authorities coordinate things.
Quinn says he hasn't been approached by Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel yet.
The governor's comments follow a mass shooting at a park on Chicago's southwest side Thursday night. Thirteen people were wounded, including a 3-year-old boy.
http://www.wbez.org/news/governor-quinn-open-...
Where'd the shooters get those guns, Rogue? Where'd they buy them? How were they able to obtain them so easily? Yes, Chicago has tough gun laws. Chicago. That's it. Just cross city lines, buy guns, come back to Chicago. Simple. But as you repeat ad nauseum, "those gun laws in Chicago, see how they don't work". Oh, they worked in NYC it seems. Why?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#172648 Sep 23, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
They just have that nasty little habit of beheading people for not believing as they do! Only one way to God, through Jesus....not Mohammed. Christians aren't taught to lie to advance our message. Nor are we taught to kill those who oppose us. This list can go on and on and on! Save it, Scruffy.
Buuuuulllllshit!

It wasn't so long ago that you guys were dropping people left and right for questioning YOUR one true way. Look at what you did to the Jews in WWII.

Muslims are not lying. Well, anymore than you are... They believe they have the perfect word of god in an old book too. They are also interpreting that text how they like and have god on their side. Sound familiar?

I am still not convinced they have outdone the holocaust. So don't go throwing that "They are harmful... we are peaceful." line of shit. You guys left huge shoes to be filled.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#172649 Sep 23, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Bigotry is hiding your hate behind a pseudo religion, such as Islam. They're little more than butchers that actually have no place in this world. Are you Muslim? Who would you trust more, a Christian or a Muslim? That's a frickin' no-brainer if there ever was one!
<quoted text>
And THREE quarters of the world's population would disagree with YOU!
More of your magic math Rouge?

Christianity... even if you include all the ones who aren't considered christians by christians... are 30% tops.

Just because Muslims are 25% doesn't mean you gain favor from the rest of the worlds religions. Hindus, Buddhist and Jews aren't really fans of either of you.

I can tell you as an atheist that there is very little difference between you at all.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#172650 Sep 23, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote : "Christians aren't taught to lie to advance our message. Nor are we taught to kill those who oppose us. This list can go on and on and on! Save it, Scruffy. "
Really? Would you like to do a quick review of the last 2,000 years - or would you not?
Christians are history selective J.

"Those weren't REAL Christians...." blah blah blah... Well, it was the REAL church that had mandatory prayers for the fuhrer right up until the end... They knew exactly what was going on.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#172651 Sep 23, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
We already knew you didn't care about the Constitution. I just find it amusing how none of you Birfoons / Tru Patriots do - and enjoy laughing at you as I point out this obvious fact
So, I am not the only one who finds it entirely ironic that Justice hasn't a clue what the first amendment says?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#172652 Sep 23, 2013
By the way... does anyone know how many Nazi's were kicked out of the church?

Can you name just ONE that was excommunicated?

I can.

Joseph Goebbels was excommunicated from the church after the war.

Do you know his crime?

He married a protestant.

So, you see... they DO have standards.

You won't find another.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#172653 Sep 23, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
More of your magic math Rouge?
Christianity... even if you include all the ones who aren't considered christians by christians... are 30% tops.
Just because Muslims are 25% doesn't mean you gain favor from the rest of the worlds religions. Hindus, Buddhist and Jews aren't really fans of either of you.
I can tell you as an atheist that there is very little difference between you at all.
There is no difference, specially if you factor in ALL religions beginning Adam and Eve and with Abraham, Israel's founding father, he of the three Books, Jews, Moslems and Christians. Look at that man, Abraham, just look at him, study him. We are that failed man's legacy. No wonder we're such a mess.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#172654 Sep 23, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>So, I am not the only one who finds it entirely ironic that Justice hasn't a clue what the first amendment says?
Not at all. But then since the Constitution is written in English the chances that any Birfoon (even one who has self-appointed them-self "Justice") has read it much less comprehended its meaning are exceedingly slim.
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#172655 Sep 23, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
By the way... does anyone know how many Nazi's were kicked out of the church?
Can you name just ONE that was excommunicated?
I can.
Joseph Goebbels was excommunicated from the church after the war.
Do you know his crime?
He married a protestant.
So, you see... they DO have standards.
You won't find another.
You seem to have forgotten that the Church is forgiving first and foremost.

Secondly the Vatican is its own State and has its own laws.

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Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

Two Popes served through the Nazi period: Pope Pius XI (1922-1939) and Pope Pius XII (1939-1958). The Holy See strongly criticized Nazism through the late 1920s and throughout the 1930s, with Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII) being a particularly outspoken critic.[4] In 1933, Vatican signed a Concordat with Germany - hoping to protect the rights of Catholics under the Nazi government. The terms of the Treaty were not kept by Hitler. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica: "From 1933 to 1936 [Pius XI] wrote several protests against the Third Reich, and his attitude toward fascist Italy changed dramatically after Nazi racial policies were introduced into Italy in 1938."[5]

Pius XI offered three encyclicals against the rising tide of European totalitarianism: Non abbiamo bisogno (1931; We Do Not Need to Acquaint You - against Italian Fascism); Mit brennender Sorge (1937; "With Deep Anxiety" - against Nazism) and Divini redemptoris (1937; "Divine Redeemer" - against atheist Communism). Non abbiamo bisogno directly challenged Italian fascism as a "pagan" movement which "snatches the young from the Church and from Jesus Christ, and which inculcates in its own young people hatred, violence and irreverence".[6] Pius XI also challenged the extremist nationalism of the Action Francaise movement and anti-semitism in the United States.[7]

As Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Pacelli, made some 55 protests against Nazi policies, including its "ideology of race".[11] Pacelli also assisted Pius XI draft the 1937 Mit Brennender Sorge critique of Nazi ideology.[12] Written partly in response to the Nuremburg Laws, the document did not refer to Hitler or the Nazis by name, but condemned racial theories and the mistreatment of people based on race.[13] In 1938, Cardinal Pacelli publicly restated the words of Pius XI on the incompatibility of Christianity and antisemitism: "it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is inadmissible; spiritually we are all Semites."

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