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Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#171956 Sep 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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What happened to the conspirators? Any arrests?!? Conspiracy to over throw the government is an extremely serious crime and I am sure they would have prosecuted them if they could have.
http://tinyurl.com/8s5k8fy

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#171957 Sep 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Again, you are so far left you think everyone to your right is a Conservative. And you have no idea what a Neo-Con is either.
But don't you see, your reply had no substance. I find his point on the CNN anchors most interesting , and new to me. What's your reaction? Can you take his dissertation apart one by one like I often do with yours?
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#171958 Sep 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Again, you are so far left you think everyone to your right is a Conservative. And you have no idea what a Neo-Con is either.
Scandal? What Scandal?(Washington Post, 10/11/87).
Bush's Iran-Contra appointees are barely a story
September 1, 2001 / http://tinyurl.com/klqwolw

Throughout the summer of 2001, the media were profligate with resources for the Chandra Levy story, excavating every corner of her and Rep. Gary Condit's past to unearth a prurient bounty of personal detail. That level of investigative vigor mighthave exposed far more vital information had it been applied to Bush's appointment of numerous Iran-Contra veterans to key posts.

But with a few admirable exceptions, news stories about Elliot Abrams, John Negroponte and Otto Reich have largely relied on past reporting and he-said, she-said soundbites by the usual supporters and critics, rather than in-depth investigations into their complicity in one of the bloodiest scandals of the past 20 years. And their guilt is based not on speculation or gossip, but on hard evidence that they aided torturers and death squads,circumvented Congress and the Constitution, and deceived the American people.

John Negroponte, as ambassador to Honduras from 1981-85, covered up human rights abuses by the CIA-trained Battalion 316. He is Bush's choice for U.S. ambassador to the U.N. and, as Extra! went to press, was expected to clear Senate confirmation hearings.

Elliott Abrams, an assistant secretary of state under Reagan, pleaded guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding evidence from Congress (i.e., lying) over his role in the Iran-Contra affair. Bush I pardoned him; Bush II has appointed him to the National SecurityCouncil as director of its office for democracy, human rights and international operations. The post requires no Senate approval.

Otto Reich's nomination as assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, the top post for Latin America, was predicted to draw the most congressional fire. Reich was head of the now-defunct Office for Public Diplomacy (OPD), which the House Committee on Foreign Affairs censured for "prohibited, covert propaganda activities"
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/scandal...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#171959 Sep 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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In order to understand the "why", how about looking at peer countries that have anywhere from 3 to 25 times fewer firearm murders? I don't suppose gun control, for one, would have anything to do with it?
You fail to realize that removing guns from America is physically impossible. Try to deal with the reality at hand. Not some Utopian dream of yours. Guns aren't going anywhere Path, so what do you propose? Considering guns aren't going anywhere, you're practically forced to look at the "why". No?
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#171960 Sep 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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But don't you see, your reply had no substance. I find his point on the CNN anchors most interesting , and new to me. What's your reaction? Can you take his dissertation apart one by one like I often do with yours?
He cannot do it. LOL

Naturally Glen Beck and others are no longer employed by CNN.

Has Fox News ever hired an authentic liberal/progressive?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

The people on Fox are corporate centrist Democrats loyal to centrist Obama and centrist Clinton.


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Dan Rather talks about the corrupt Corporate media
http://tinyurl.com/axcfm88


Noam Chomsky - The Myth of the Liberal Media
http://tinyurl.com/a8lxbyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Learn to Read

United States

#171961 Sep 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>You fail to realize that removing guns from America is physically impossible. Try to deal with the reality at hand. Not some Utopian dream of yours. Guns aren't going anywhere Path, so what do you propose? Considering guns aren't going anywhere, you're practically forced to look at the "why". No?
Very true Romper. But it is much easier to either blame guns or pretend that Washington wants to take all our guns.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#171962 Sep 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You fail to realize that removing guns from America is physically impossible. Try to deal with the reality at hand. Not some Utopian dream of yours. Guns aren't going anywhere Path, so what do you propose? Considering guns aren't going anywhere, you're practically forced to look at the "why". No?
http://tinyurl.com/k7ojxvj

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#171963 Sep 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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You fail to realize that removing guns from America is physically impossible. Try to deal with the reality at hand. Not some Utopian dream of yours. Guns aren't going anywhere Path, so what do you propose? Considering guns aren't going anywhere, you're practically forced to look at the "why". No?
No, I'm not. Leave the guns as is. Too late to do anything about them and those that already possess them are at this point not likely to use them to kill someone. BUT, ban all new handguns except in very exceptional cases, ban all semi-automatic and AK-type machine guns, do a check, a real check, on every firearm sold from now on, like the majority of the people want. Congressman and senators are beholden to their biggest fundraiser, the NRA instead of the will of the people WHO WANT SOME FORM OF GUN CONTROL. Once gun controls are in place, it'll take a while for the murder rate to go down, but hell, it's well worth the wait, no?

Once you've got gun control working, then you can start looking at the "why" you've mentioned. Compare with peer countries, and check their education tuition right up to university. I hear Harvard is $45,000 a year, some even costlier. Ridiculous. For the rich. No, not even the rich. The filthy rich. Compared to that, La Sorbonne, Heidelburg, University of Rome, of Madrid, Universite libre de Bruxelles, etc, are free. As is health care, workplace benefits, access to professionals like doctors, shrinks etc (they are all free), much longer vacation that would make you dream and so forth. All these factors are part of the happiness index that the UN just came out with and perhaps lessen the desire to kill one's neighbour.

Do all the other countries with fewer firearm murders have better population distribution, fewer minorities of all races, colours? Nope. Just visit France, the UK, Italy, etc, and look around you. Teeming with non-Caucassians. And they are a HUGE problem, some of them, humongous and very costly.

Has all of this "largesse" stretched these countries' finances? Yes, no doubt. Are they better off financially than the US? Assuredly not. Are they worst off financially than the US? Assuredly not, and finally they're not that bad, when you know they have few, nlike the US, very few, natural resources, which are mostly all imported.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#171964 Sep 17, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
He cannot do it. LOL
Naturally Glen Beck and others are no longer employed by CNN.
Has Fox News ever hired an authentic liberal/progressive?
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
The people on Fox are corporate centrist Democrats loyal to centrist Obama and centrist Clinton.
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Dan Rather talks about the corrupt Corporate media
http://tinyurl.com/axcfm88
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =8ckeqIoZz9cXX
Noam Chomsky - The Myth of the Liberal Media
http://tinyurl.com/a8lxbyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
You wrote : "The people on Fox are corporate centrist Democrats loyal to centrist Obama and centrist Clinton."

Hmmm, if they are, they certainly conceal it well.
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#171965 Sep 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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And yet, according to Rogue, being white is a distinct disadvantage. Most people would prefer being black, which translates to rich and racist.
But most blacks are angry and violent by nature, so therefore they are miserable when they run the society. The Norwegian countries are still predominantly white. They are socialist, but their culture of productive and organized communities functions. Most of Africa is still crapping in the same river they drink from when their not killing one another. Just like the blacks do in Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, L.A. and Detroit, to just name a few. The only miserable white in America is the liberal progressives. Full of hate for everything and everyone that stands in their way, and they are on the march relentlessly.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#171966 Sep 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
FULL BODY SCANS AT AMERICAN AIRPORTS:
TSA disclosed the following Airport Screening Results
December 2012 Statistics On Airport Full Body Screening From TSA :
Terrorists..........0
Transvestites..........133
Hernias .......... 1,485
Hemorrhoid Cases ........ 3,172
Enlarged Prostates....... 8,249
Breast Implants......... 59,350
Natural Blondes .......... 3
It was also discovered that 308 politicians had no balls.....
Just thought you'd like to know!
LOL!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#171967 Sep 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm not. Leave the guns as is. Too late to do anything about them and those that already possess them are at this point not likely to use them to kill someone. BUT, ban all new handguns except in very exceptional cases, ban all semi-automatic and AK-type machine guns, do a check, a real check, on every firearm sold from now on, like the majority of the people want. Congressman and senators are beholden to their biggest fundraiser, the NRA instead of the will of the people WHO WANT SOME FORM OF GUN CONTROL. Once gun controls are in place, it'll take a while for the murder rate to go down, but hell, it's well worth the wait, no?
Once you've got gun control working, then you can start looking at the "why" you've mentioned. Compare with peer countries, and check their education tuition right up to university. I hear Harvard is $45,000 a year, some even costlier. Ridiculous. For the rich. No, not even the rich. The filthy rich. Compared to that, La Sorbonne, Heidelburg, University of Rome, of Madrid, Universite libre de Bruxelles, etc, are free. As is health care, workplace benefits, access to professionals like doctors, shrinks etc (they are all free), much longer vacation that would make you dream and so forth. All these factors are part of the happiness index that the UN just came out with and perhaps lessen the desire to kill one's neighbour.
Do all the other countries with fewer firearm murders have better population distribution, fewer minorities of all races, colours? Nope. Just visit France, the UK, Italy, etc, and look around you. Teeming with non-Caucassians. And they are a HUGE problem, some of them, humongous and very costly.
Has all of this "largesse" stretched these countries' finances? Yes, no doubt. Are they better off financially than the US? Assuredly not. Are they worst off financially than the US? Assuredly not, and finally they're not that bad, when you know they have few, nlike the US, very few, natural resources, which are mostly all imported.
I think most people want the laws we have, enforced! I find the UN to be worthless and believe America should drop them like a bad habit. Bunch of kooks, in my opinion. Syria on the UN's Human Rights Council????? I rest my case.
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#171968 Sep 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm not. Leave the guns as is. Too late to do anything about them and those that already possess them are at this point not likely to use them to kill someone. BUT, ban all new handguns except in very exceptional cases, ban all semi-automatic and AK-type machine guns, do a check, a real check, on every firearm sold from now on, like the majority of the people want. Congressman and senators are beholden to their biggest fundraiser, the NRA instead of the will of the people WHO WANT SOME FORM OF GUN CONTROL. Once gun controls are in place, it'll take a while for the murder rate to go down, but hell, it's well worth the wait, no?
Once you've got gun control working, then you can start looking at the "why" you've mentioned. Compare with peer countries, and check their education tuition right up to university. I hear Harvard is $45,000 a year, some even costlier. Ridiculous. For the rich. No, not even the rich. The filthy rich. Compared to that, La Sorbonne, Heidelburg, University of Rome, of Madrid, Universite libre de Bruxelles, etc, are free. As is health care, workplace benefits, access to professionals like doctors, shrinks etc (they are all free), much longer vacation that would make you dream and so forth. All these factors are part of the happiness index that the UN just came out with and perhaps lessen the desire to kill one's neighbour.
Do all the other countries with fewer firearm murders have better population distribution, fewer minorities of all races, colours? Nope. Just visit France, the UK, Italy, etc, and look around you. Teeming with non-Caucassians. And they are a HUGE problem, some of them, humongous and very costly.
Has all of this "largesse" stretched these countries' finances? Yes, no doubt. Are they better off financially than the US? Assuredly not. Are they worst off financially than the US? Assuredly not, and finally they're not that bad, when you know they have few, nlike the US, very few, natural resources, which are mostly all imported.
Why is it that where the law abiding citizen is permitted to carry a concealed weapon that the murder and violent crime rate has been going down? Also, stop and frisk searches have substantially reduced the murder rate in New York, but a liberal Judge who lives in a protected suburban community says they can't do that. We have more guns and ammunition in our society then ever and the murder rate has been dropping for over a decade, why is that? Back when southern whites sympathetic to the black mans cause for freedom were being lynched by the KKK, was it the rope that killed them?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#171969 Sep 17, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
But most blacks are angry and violent by nature, so therefore they are miserable when they run the society. The Norwegian countries are still predominantly white. They are socialist, but their culture of productive and organized communities functions. Most of Africa is still crapping in the same river they drink from when their not killing one another. Just like the blacks do in Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, L.A. and Detroit, to just name a few. The only miserable white in America is the liberal progressives. Full of hate for everything and everyone that stands in their way, and they are on the march relentlessly.
"But most blacks are angry and violent by nature, so therefore they are miserable when they run the society. " FALSE.

"The Norwegian countries are still predominantly white. They are socialist, but their culture of productive and organized communities functions." True 20 years ago, less and less so as poorer peoples migrate, are finding their way to these "prosperous" Scandinavian countries. Crime is up, and increasing every year, they just don't broadcast it. Poverty breeds crime, you should know that.

" Most of Africa is still crapping in the same river they drink from when their not killing one another". That is mean and untrue in most cases. They lack the means and the expertise to assure themselves clean drinking water, true. We do. You do. Yet, you tell me where your sewer pipes discharge their waste waters in the river and how far from that, often downstream, is your water supply drawn from? Why do you think we drink so much bottled water? We don't trust our water supply, is all. They've polluted their drinking water unknowingly, we pollute ours knowingly.

"when not killing one another (Africans)" ? Are you kidding? After thousands of years of wars, inquisition, never mind, too many to mention, the slaughter of Jews by Hitler, you talk about Africans killing one another? Are you daf? They could start killing by the thousands daily and that wouldn't even put a dent in WWII killed alone, more than 50 million, with the BLACKS or AFRICANS having nothing to do with it, except forced to fight by the British (Gurkas) and Fusiliers Senegalais by the French.

Chicago, Philadelphia, St.Louis, Detroit, etc. Your friend LRS says to search for the "why". Blacks are no more inherently violent than whites, and I'm well placed to say that. No more, no less, same human nature. More unemployment, poor education, discrimination and don't tell me discrimination is dead. But yes, something has to give, there is too much black violence. Check the causes, the "why" to start with.

Liberal progressives, as politicians, are, to me at least, no better, no worse than conservatives or republicans. They , or most of them, are looking after number 1 : Them. But, I maintain and will insist that liberal progressives leave a bit more of the pie for the taxpayer, for the poor jerk. They are more humane. Every piece of legislation, from paid vacation to 5-day week to unemployment insurance to social security~pensions ,and some health care when the republicans will let them, are liberal-progressive initiatives. Same here in Canada.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#171970 Sep 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I think most people want the laws we have, enforced! I find the UN to be worthless and believe America should drop them like a bad habit. Bunch of kooks, in my opinion. Syria on the UN's Human Rights Council????? I rest my case.
No, you cannot be the only one that is right. The only one in step. Look around you, take the time to read on other US-like "have" democracies. You're wrong.

You bring in the UN. Why? You are once more totally irrelevant. I mentioned countries, I NEVER mentioned or brought the UN into this discussion. What does the UN, as maligned as it is, have to do with yesterday's massacre in Washington? And the massacres I listed?

And the UN is an amalgamation of 195 countries, a sum of its parts of which you and we are members. It's as good or bad as its members, but has been, is very useful. One of its most useful functions has been to declare that Saddam had no WMDs. They were right. GWB didn't listen. UN Rights council is all screwed up, we know that. What's it got to do with what we are talking about? Try to be consequent.

Finally, you wrote:

"I think most people want the laws we have, enforced!". You lie. You know that is patently untrue. At the time of the gun control vote, over 55% of Americans favoured strengthened gun laws. After yesterday's massacre, outrage all over the country once more, yet gun nuts are already going on the offensive in order to retain the status quo.

I write my opinions, you could discuss them, but no, you come up with the above crappy reply, with irrelevant UN mention and ending with a lie. Dommage.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#171971 Sep 17, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it that where the law abiding citizen is permitted to carry a concealed weapon that the murder and violent crime rate has been going down? Also, stop and frisk searches have substantially reduced the murder rate in New York, but a liberal Judge who lives in a protected suburban community says they can't do that. We have more guns and ammunition in our society then ever and the murder rate has been dropping for over a decade, why is that? Back when southern whites sympathetic to the black mans cause for freedom were being lynched by the KKK, was it the rope that killed them?
All of the above doesn't work. Check peer countries, see how they do it, see how they have 3 to 25 times fewer murders. Helps sometimes to reflect on how neighbours do stuff.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#171972 Sep 17, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with everything you have stated except for imaginary.
The elites in the top echelon of the corporate world take turns cashing out $millions of stock options every three months.
They continue to cut their work forces and push the rest of us to the maximum.
It is no coincidence that Reagan picked Greenspan who stayed on through Daddy Bush, Slick Willie, Dumbya Bush, and if he wasn't so old even Obama would have picked him.
His wife is a big wig in the corporate news world which also peaked my interest.
Yet Rush Limbaugh will have you believe she is a flaming liberal/progressive?
There are not any corporate hacks that Obama is against!
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Obama, Inc.
With Daley and Immelt on board, our president is waltzing with the devil.
February 7, 2011 / http://tinyurl.com/46s7ea3
When you dance with the devil, never fool yourself into thinking that you're leading.
That would be my 50-cents-worth of advice to President Barack Obama as he remakes his presidency into a Clintonesque corporate enterprise. Following last fall's congressional elections, he immediately began blowing kisses to CEOs and big business lobbyists, and he's now filled his White House dance card with them.
First came Bill Daley, the Wall Street banker and longtime corporate lobbyist. In early January, Obama brought him to the White House ball to be his chief-of-staff, gatekeeper, and policy coordinator.
Then Obama tapped Jeffery Immelt to lead his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, which is supposed to "encourage the private sector to hire [Americans] and invest in American competitiveness." This is a bizarre coupling, for as General Electric's CEO, Immelt was a leader in shipping American factories and jobs to Asia and elsewhere. Today, fewer than half of GE's workers are in our country.
As an AFL-CIO official notes, "Highly globalized companies don't have the same interests as the United States. There is no company more emblematic of this than GE."
http://www.otherwords.org/articles/obama_inc
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Top Democrats Lying Running For President
John Edwards Telling the Truth against Hillary and Obama
http://tinyurl.com/2pr4g4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =5njRbQIJt_sXX&eurl=
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Hillary Clinton Incorporated
Clinton Campaign Strategists Closely Tied to Union Busters, GOP Operatives, Conservative Media / http://tinyurl.com/4gcptvv / May 17, 2007
http://www.thenation.com/print/article/hillar...
What I meant by the word "imaginary" is....and I am guessing you are well aware of this.

The money does not exist. It is just a figure on a computer screen. It is pretend.

Last I saw, less than 2% of the "money" in America is actually cash. Tangible dollar bills.

If every American put every dollar they had into paying off the national debt... you may not even notice the figure drop at all.

Gonna dig out a clip for you soon.
You have probably already seen it. But it is worth a refresher...

A trader from say Citibank can write the number 100 million dollars on a piece of paper. He can hand that piece of paper to a goldman sachs trader, who in return... would supply a piece of paper with 100 million dollars written on it to the Citibank trader.

No one has really made or lost any money...

But do you know what the commission on 100 million dollars is?

Don't think it happens?

Guess again.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#171973 Sep 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hummmm, yesterday morning CNN said the shooter at the D.C. Navy Yard used a .... AR-15! They also said he had a .... concealed carry permit! And both points were wrong!!!
I wonder if CNN will mention that he voted for Obama .... TWICE???
Correct me if I am mistaken here...

Concealed carry permits are for handguns only.

Unless they were saying a mentally unstable person was issued a permit....?

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#171974 Sep 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
All of the above doesn't work. Check peer countries, see how they do it, see how they have 3 to 25 times fewer murders. Helps sometimes to reflect on how neighbours do stuff.
MARINE GENERAL Smedley Butler, the man who saved America, died suspiciously young at age 51. He had to die before 1941 because Old Gimlet-eye would have seen right through the "surprize attack" nonsense about Pearl Harbor after we sold the Japs the bombs they used. Just like we sold Saddam SCUD missiles. See Butler's book "War is a Racket"! Kenyan-born Obama still The Antichrist.

“DC Police Complaint #T14002751”

Since: Nov 08

Swift Water,NY

#171975 Sep 17, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello pot? Kettle on line 2 for you
You should stop smoking "pot".

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