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Why do you keep posting out of date polls? We have read ObamaCare now that it has passed and the more people who read it, do not like it!!! Now here is a poll that is less than two months old and done by CBS which is not a right-wing source.
CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want Obamacare repealed / July 24, 2013
(CBS News) A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.
According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it.
The health care law is a chronic issue for the White House, CBS News political director John Dickerson said on "CBS This Morning." "There's an operational part to this, which is that the White House has got to get people to sign up for these health exchanges, particularly younger, healthier Americans, and so they are tactically running a campaign much like the presidential campaign, reaching out, using the techniques of that campaign to get younger people to sign up for these health exchanges."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-575952...
You only polled Republican Congressmen who have the best healthcare plan paid by the taxpayers.

Of course, they don't want any changes..

Why not poll ordinary people
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Why do you keep posting out of date polls? We have read ObamaCare now that it has passed and the more people who read it, do not like it!!! Now here is a poll that is less than two months old and done by CBS which is not a right-wing source.
CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want Obamacare repealed / July 24, 2013
(CBS News) A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.
According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it.
The health care law is a chronic issue for the White House, CBS News political director John Dickerson said on "CBS This Morning." "There's an operational part to this, which is that the White House has got to get people to sign up for these health exchanges, particularly younger, healthier Americans, and so they are tactically running a campaign much like the presidential campaign, reaching out, using the techniques of that campaign to get younger people to sign up for these health exchanges."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-575952...
See the liberal/progressives were 100% right with Single Payer or Public Option.

Obama passed a Republican health care with not one Republican voting for it.

The truth is the truth either back in 2009, 2010, or whatever.

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Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny
Third-party candidates are effectively shut out of the presidential race by the two major parties designed to squash the competition.

July 7, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/y89nfb7

In the run up to the 2004 elections article after article appeared documenting the reigning chaos in our electoral procedures, and surmising that another “Florida 2000” could happen. After the election, questions were raised in Ohio and in the gubernatorial race in Washington State, but in 2008, the infatuation with the electoral system was otherwise directed to the early primaries and the “historic” potential to elect Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. With neither election as razor-close as the 537 vote discrepancy in Florida 2000, some of the prior attention paid to our electoral systems has waned.

To the extent concern is shown, it tends to focus on the mechanics of registering to vote, keeping accurate lists, and having votes counted by machines of better-than-dubious programming or security. Less concern is directed to the far more disenfranchising systemic problems of having a “winner-take-all” system that results in uncompetitive elections in most congressional and local races. Nor is there a widespread movement toward choice maximizing voting systems, or just better competition by structuring campaign finance systems to encourage participation for more than our millionaires or those who have access to them.

In this country, we are really just at the beginning of understanding the deep flaws with our arcane electoral processes. Virtually none of the attention is on the rights of third-party or independent candidates to compete on a level playing field with the major parties so that all voters, not just two-party voters, have a chance to vote for whom they want. This book is written for third party and Independents candidates, their voters, the election law reformers and chroniclers, and all those who have tried or will try to grapple with the stunning incompetence and injustice of the broken, two-party dominated American electoral system.
http://thenewpress.com/index.php...
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A Rancid Deal with Big Pharma
August 6, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kydtv7j
So now we know why the president wants everyone to make nice in the healthcare debate. His White House has cut a deal with Big Pharma that smells like the same old rotten politics that candidate Obama regularly denounced and promised to end. The drug industry agrees to deliver $80 billion in future savings and the president promises the government will not use its awesome purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.
Wow. This is roughly the same deal that George W. Bush cut with the drug makers when he was legislating Medicare's new coverage of drug purchases. It is the same bargain that Democrats in Congress universally condemned as wasteful and corrupt. The deal does not smell any better now that a Democratic president is embracing it.
In effect, Obama wants to give away one of the principal objectives of strong reform. The details were spelled out in today's New York Times and revealed by Big Pharma's top-dog lobbyist, Billy Tauzin, a former Republican congressman who leads the industry association. Tauzin called it a "rock-solid deal," and the White House did not dispute as much. But that is not the last word.
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Dorgan Amendment Slashed After Last Minute Pharma Deall Hasn’t Agreed To / December 16, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/yhmpexf
Ryan Grim has a good tick-tock on the failure of the Dorgan amendment last night, delivering a huge victory for the pharmaceutical industry and a blow to consumers who could have saved over $100 billion in prescription drug costs. 30 Democrats and Joe Lieberman ended up voting against this amendment, preserving a backroom deal between PhRMa and the White House to limit their exposure to profit reductions in the overall health care bill.
Grim confirms that the linchpin to this treachery was a deal discussed by Senate leadership the night before, as I surmised previously
http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/dorgan...

Max Baucus WellPoint/Liz Fowler Plan"
September 8, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/md9or8
All this time I’ve been calling Max Tax health care Max Baucus’ health care plan.
But, as William Ockham points out, it’s actually Liz Fowler’s health care plan (if you open the document and look under document properties, it lists her as author). At one level, it’s not surprising that Bad Max’s Senior Counsel would have authored the Max Tax plan. Here’s how Politico described her role in Bad Max’s health care plan earlier this year / http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/08/...

Evidence makes Dorgan’s charge against the White House seem entirely plausible / Dec 18, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/ylz32mr
Yesterday, we reported that Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) is making an extremely serious accusation - he essentially asserts that the White House political staff coerced the Food and Drug Administration into issuing a safety warning, not on the basis of sound science, but in order to protect the pharmaceutical industry's profits. If this accusation is true, it would mean that the Obama White House engaged in precisely the kind of politicization of science that the Rove White House engaged in.
Details about exactly what happened are going to come out on this in the next few weeks. When they do, we'll report on them. But in the meantime, let's look at two important pieces of circumstantial evidence that supports Dorgan's accusation:
http://openleft.com/diary/16574/evidence-make...
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List of 51 Senate Democrats Who Support a Public Option: What’s Stopping Them Now?/ January 29, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/lrczx37
Some day, just for kicks, I’m going to collect quotes from every scold who called upon their volumes of wisdom about Senate procedure to decree that Joe Lieberman must be the ultimate decider on any health care bill, because after all it took 60 votes to pass anything. Because now, as we’ve known all along, that’s a self-imposed limitation that the Senate can surmount if they want to.
But let’s remember that back in August, when Chuck Schumer was pushing to pass health care through reconciliation, here was the guy who was running the health care show on behalf of the White House:
[Rahm Emanuel] acknowledged the political realities that have made the Finance Committee’s still-unfinished cooperative plan a center of attention.
“We have heard from both chambers that the House sees a public plan as essential for the final product, and the Senate believes it cannot pass it as constructed and a co-op is what they can do,” Mr. Emanuel said.“We are cognizant of that fact.”
And then he handed the keys over to Joe Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln to write a wildly unpopular bill that is threatening to take down the party.
When he voted against a public option on the Senate Finance Committe, Max Baucus — who has supported a public option in the past — said he did so because it couldn’t get 60 votes in the Senate. And now they can’t even get 50 votes to agree to change the bill in any way.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/29/l...

The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill
February 8, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/y93863b
At this point, I don't think it's well understood how many of the GOP's central health-care policy ideas have already been included as compromises in the health-care bill. But one good way is to look at the GOP's "Solutions for America" homepage, which lays out its health-care plan in some detail. It has four planks. All of them -- yes, you read that right -- are in the Senate health-care bill.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2...
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Evan Bayh’s Wife Reaping the benefits of Health Care Reform
12-22-09 / http://tinyurl.com/y9lmve8
Just to put this boon to health insurance stocks in perspective: according [to] an Indianapolis Star article from June, Evan Bayh's wife, Susan, "owns from $500,001 to $1 million in employee stock in WellPoint, the Indianapolis-based insurance giant on whose board she sits." That would mean that the value of her personal holdings in that one health insurance company alone, in the last six weeks alone (since [Senator Joseph] Lieberman and her husband began menacing the public option), would have increased by a value of between $125,000 and $250,000. As part of the bonanza of health care industry board positions she magically received since her husband became a Senator, Susan Bayh is given a quarter-million dollars each year in stocks and stock options from Wellpoint. That's just a microcosm for considering how well Obama's so-called "special interests" have done as a result of this health care bill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/22/evan...

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Bush's Uncle Earned Millions in War Firm Sale
An SEC filing shows William H.T. Bush collected about $1.9 million in cash, plus stock valued at $800,000, from the deal. March 23, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/k7rwlrz
WASHINGTON — As President Bush embarks on a new effort to shore up public support for the war in Iraq, an uncle of the commander in chief is collecting $2.7 million in cash and stock from the recent sale of a company that profited from the war.
A report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission shows that William H.T. Bush collected just under $1.9 million in cash plus stock valued at more than $800,000 from the sale of Engineered Support Systems Inc. to DRS Technologies of New Jersey./ http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/23/natio...

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Revolving door for health care aides /
9/15/09 / http://tinyurl.com/q243zq
Some of the most influential aides in the closed-door Senate Finance Committee negotiations over health care reform have ties to interests that would be directly affected by the legislation.
Before she was hired last year as senior counsel to Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Liz Fowler worked as a highly paid public policy adviser for WellPoint Inc., the nation’s largest publicly traded health benefits company.
Mark Hayes, health policy director and chief health counsel for Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), is married to a registered lobbyist for a firm that represents drug companies and hospital groups, although the couple says she doesn’t lobby Grassley’s office.
Frederick Isasi, a health policy adviser to Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), was a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, where his clients included public hospitals and the American Stroke Association.
Kate Spaziani, senior health policy aide to Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), was also a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, although Conrad’s office says she worked as a lawyer — not as a lobbyist — for public hospitals on Medicare issues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/271...

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Wow, the Earth's population is made up of all Angels! And I thought the Bible said, God created man. Got a clue, bonehead?
You said it was laughable that god would create a world full of minigods.

According to the Bible, he did. It is called Heaven the little gods are called angels.

Then he sent 1/3 of that population to the Earth. So, yes. I have a clue. Read more, speak less.

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Jews call Him Moshiach
Muslims call Him Mahdi
Christians call Him Jesus
and all are waiting for His return.
Ah, I was under the impression the Jews interviewed Jesus and found him not to be up to snuff.

I know there is a sect of Jews that believe Jesus was the messiah. But Jews do not allow them to call themselves Jewish.

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I believe there could be life on other planets and it would not change any of my beliefs.
I do accept the age of the earth but you cannot prove it is 4.5 Billion, 3 billion, 2, billion, 1 billion, or even Millions.
According to the Bible it is in the thousands. So What.
Even your evolution does not disprove God one way or the other.
Also agnostics and atheists are in the minority with almost 7 Billion believers.
All your facts and figures might be wrong just like the scientist of old who assumed the earth was flat.
Yes I can prove the age of the Earth is 4.5 million years old. And I just told you how. Maybe you glossed over it.

I have already covered that no amount of knowledge can disprove any God.

We may be a minority, but we are the fastest growing demographic I know of.

Science never determined the world to be flat. Mythology is responsible for the flat Earth society.

You say 7 billion like they all believe in your God. Of that number a majority don't give Jesus the time of day. You know that includes people who think their leaders are God... right?

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sorry.. billion.. not million

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

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Hey, did anyone noticed what happened to the NYSE at about 1120 am EDT? It took a DIVE! Why, well Speaker Bonehead and Mitch "Miller" McConnell said they would recommend that Congress support the president on his Syria Miss-adventure.
Yep, the stock market does not like it, the majority of Americans do not like it, the the entrenched politicians like it and that is all that counts!!!
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I am on the side of staying out of this civil war. It is of no threat to us or our interests. The real problem is Iran.
How many times did I hear you Libtards we should not have gone into Iraq as the real problem was al-Qaeda who was in Afghanistan and Pakistan. WELL???? If the real problem (threat to the U.S. and our interests), then why worry about Syria?!?
Isn't it funny that when I turn around the argument that you yourselves used, you will still side with the Democrats.
Then, if Obama decides to stay out, you will agree with him and praise his decision, right?

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IRAQ: Women Miss Saddam / http://tinyurl.com/ykpudl5
BAGHDAD, Mar 12, 2010 (IPS)- Under Saddam Hussein, women in government got a year's maternity leave; that is now cut to six months. Under the Personal Status Law in force since Jul. 14, 1958, when Iraqis overthrew the British-installed monarchy, Iraqi women had most of the rights that Western women do.
Now they have Article 2 of the Constitution: "Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation." Sub-head A says "No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam." Under this Article the interpretation of women's rights is left to religious leaders – and many of them are under Iranian influence.
"The U.S. occupation has decided to let go of women's rights," Yanar Mohammed who campaigns for women's rights in Iraq says. "Political Islamic groups have taken southern Iraq, are fully in power there, and are using the financial support of Iran to recruit troops and allies. The financial and political support from Iran is why the Iraqis in the south accept this, not because the Iraqi people want Islamic law."
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp...
Yes, Rogue still hangs on to his illusions, namely that Iraq post-Saddam is much better off.

Yes, better for a few aparichiks raking in the oil money.
Meantime, Al Qaeda and Iranians circulate freely in Iraq. They were not there before, incidentally, as Saddam, possessive tyrant that he was, tolerated no adversaries. He wanted to be the number ONE killer. Well, Saddam must be spinning in his grave, outdone, his killing field by now well surpassed by whatever it is that replaced him. 47 more killed by bombs today. Happens almost daily now. Christians persecuted and forced out. What was a secular regime under Saddam, s you correctly point out, allowing liberties for women only seen in Morocco in North Moslem Africa is now a thing of the past, the country has slipped the bonds of freedom and a dark Moslem veil has descended upon it. "Mission Accomplished". Indeed. Muslim mission accomplished, yes.
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Huh? Do you have a hearing problem? Who has said it was YOUR problem, Twinkie? No one. You make it your problem, that's why I asked if you just had a problem with believers or just people who don't believe like you. Try and keep up. Fossils that are 3.5B years old have been found, you twit! BTW, the majority of the population on Earth believe. Where does that leave you? Right where you reside, on the fringe with the other nutjobs! You're doing an excellent job building that prison. Carry on. LMAO!
There's, ignorance, blind ignorance, and then the play justice who seems to believe the existence of billion year old fossils should mean fossilization of ancient hominins and humans was less than rare. Idiotic.

Now where are Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel?

Moron.
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Huh? If you wish to remain willfully ignorant that is your right; it is NOT my problem. You can resolve the problem that your fables are in conflict with the evidence by closing your eyes. Again, that is not my problem.
It is truly curious that anyone would cling to their cherished fable with no evidence in the face of conclusive evidence to the contrary. The population bottleneck evidence DISPROVES the Adam & Eve fable. The molecular evidence previously elaborated clearly establishes an ancestor common to humans and chimpanzees. The DNA tells the story.
The believe that fossils of a specific founder population of thousands from millions of years ago should be expected to be found is naive at best, and I'm being very kind. It is certainly not the belief of anyone with any credibility in the sciences.
The vast majority of living things die without leaving fossil remains. Yet they left evidence that can be found in the DNA of living thing on this Earth today. The fossil evidence is strong but the molecular evidence is a dead lock cinch.
Like it or not, your ignorance is your problem, not mine.
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There's, ignorance, blind ignorance, and then the play justice who seems to believe the existence of billion year old fossils should mean fossilization of ancient hominins and humans was less than rare. Idiotic.
Now where are Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel?
Moron.
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Yawn! You still have no remains. Get back to me when you do.

BTW, if I wanted to listen to an azzhole, I'd fart!
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Yawn! You still have no remains. Get back to me when you do.
BTW, if I wanted to listen to an azzhole, I'd fart!
LMAO!!!! Now that was a great return, no one can get any better than that, it was better than Bee-tuthans 5th!!!!

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Condos on islands never good? What a dumb ass statement. Lots of great condo island properties around the world.
Never? Ever hear of Oahu, or Kaua'i?
You don't know crap about Cebu.
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Mr. Liars was probably thinking about that condo his cousin Jed purchased for a little of nothing last week.
http://tinyurl.com/p5zs9gj
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if aliens are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", we don't need the naturalization process, just come on in and get your food stamps!!!
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Under the same process as used by the Fuller court, I will show you that Obama is not a citizen of the US.
The Fuller court took the words of the 14th amendment at its face value, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
The above simply mean that all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power are citizens of the US, the 14th amendment is just a repeat of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, only put into a place where it will take an amendment to change it.
"All persons born or naturalized in the US and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof are citizens....."
"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" simply mean subject to the US Constitution, which is the law of the land, which has jurisdiction over all three branches of the government and rulings outside its law is Unconstitutional.
Now since Obama's father was an alien, Barry automatically assumed his father's name and citizenship and therefore became a citizen of a foreign power.
and the Constitution was only written for the citizens of the US, not a bunch of aliens/illegal aliens.

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<quoted text>Lucky for our country Obama's private military that he was planning to put together in 2008 and 2009 never made it to maturity. He really didn't need them to get the NSA to spy on tea party groups or to get IRS to harass tea party patriots not did he need to use his private military to set up Operation Fast and Furious. But it didn't matter because his brain dead ObamaZombies supported him 100%.
Crazy stuff Frank! Really, really crazy stuff.

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<quoted text>Any one that supports the Obama agenda is anti-American,because his is an anti-American agenda.
Since when did disagreeing with right wing politics become anti-American Frank?
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if aliens are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", we don't need the naturalization process, just come on in and get your food stamps!!!
"Subject to the jurisdiction" means subject to the laws. It does not mean that the person is a citizen and can vote. Every person in the USA, citizens and visitors, is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. If they weren't, they would not have to obey our laws. EVERYBODY in the USA has to obey US law except only for foreign diplomats and their families. The 14th Amendment's "subject to the jurisdiction" was inserted to exclude foreign diplomats and their families and at the time American Indians on reservations, who were considered sovereign tribes and at the time (until a special Act of Congress in 1925 or 1926) were considered not subject to uS jurisdiction. But now that that has been passed they are also subject to the jurisdiction, leaving only foreign diplomats and their families NOT subject to the jurisdiction.

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. John Bingham, R-Ohio, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”

“By the terms of the Constitution he must have been a citizen of the United States for nine years before he could take a seat here, and seven years before he could take a seat in the other House ; and, in order to be President of the United States, a person must be a native-born citizen. It is the common law of this country, and of all countries, and it was unnecessary to incorporate it in the Constitution, that a person is a citizen of the country in which he is born. I read from Paschale's Annotated Constitution, note 274:‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together.’ Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are, in theory, born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons.”—Sen. Trumbull, Cong. Globe. 1st Session, 42nd Congress, pt. 1, pg. 575 (1872)

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