BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#170312 Sep 3, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Huh? If you wish to remain willfully ignorant that is your right; it is NOT my problem. You can resolve the problem that your fables are in conflict with the evidence by closing your eyes. Again, that is not my problem.
It is truly curious that anyone would cling to their cherished fable with no evidence in the face of conclusive evidence to the contrary. The population bottleneck evidence DISPROVES the Adam & Eve fable. The molecular evidence previously elaborated clearly establishes an ancestor common to humans and chimpanzees. The DNA tells the story.
The believe that fossils of a specific founder population of thousands from millions of years ago should be expected to be found is naive at best, and I'm being very kind. It is certainly not the belief of anyone with any credibility in the sciences.
The vast majority of living things die without leaving fossil remains. Yet they left evidence that can be found in the DNA of living thing on this Earth today. The fossil evidence is strong but the molecular evidence is a dead lock cinch.
Like it or not, your ignorance is your problem, not mine.
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Huh? Do you have a hearing problem? Who has said it was YOUR problem, Twinkie? No one. You make it your problem, that's why I asked if you just had a problem with believers or just people who don't believe like you. Try and keep up. Fossils that are 3.5B years old have been found, you twit! BTW, the majority of the population on Earth believe. Where does that leave you? Right where you reside, on the fringe with the other nutjobs! You're doing an excellent job building that prison. Carry on. LMAO!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#170313 Sep 3, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
Top Ten Congressional Lobbying Scandals in US History
http://blog.oup.com/2006/03/congressional_l/ / http://tinyurl.com/6xdkuf
1. 1857, the New York Times published an expose of lobbying for the Pacific Railroad bill, charging that lobbyists had shaped a bill in order to pillage federal lands. The House opened an investigation that led four representatives to resign (the House also expelled from its galleries the Times reporter who broke the story).
2. 1872, the New York Sun exposed the Credit Mobilier scandal, where a railroad lobbyist provided stock to members of Congress to make them more likely to increase appropriations for transcontinental railroad construction. Both the Senate and House investigated the charges, which ruined the careers of two vice presidents, a Speaker, and other members of both bodies.
3. 1906, Cosmopolitan magazine publishes David Graham Phillips’ series of muckraking exposes on the “Treason of the Senate,” in which he accused prominent senators of representing special interests rather than the public interest. The series contributes to political pressure that results in the Seventeenth Amendment requiring senators to be elected by the public rather than by state legislatures.
4. 1913, the New York World ran an expose of questionable tactics by a lobbyist for the National Association of Manufacturers seeking to influence tariff rates. One member of the House resigned and the House passed a bill requiring lobbyists to register with Congress. The Senate declined to go along with the reform.
5. 1929, the New York World accused Connecticut Senator Hiram Bingham of bringing a paid agent for the Connecticut Manufacturers’ Association into closed committee meetings on a pending tariff bill. The Senate investigated and censured Bingham (previously prominent as the discoverer of Machu Picchu), who was then defeated for reelection.
6. 1962, a Des Moines Register correspondent reported that Senate Majority Secretary Bobby Baker accepted favors from lobbyists in exchange for providing access to powerful senators. A Senate committee investigated and Baker was later convicted of income tax evasion.
7. 1976, the Washington Post broke the story that the Justice Department was investigating South Korean agent Tongsun Park, who had distributed illegal gifts to members of Congress. Congressional investigation of “Koreagate” ended with the reprimand of three members of the House and the indictment of two others.
http://blog.oup.com/2006/03/congressional_l/
8. 1990, accounts in the Orange County Register, the Mesa [Arizona] Tribune, the Detroit News, the Los Angeles Times, the Arizona Republic, and the Wall Street Journal revealed that five senators met with the head of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board about the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, whose head, Charles H. Keating, Jr. had made substantial contributions to their political campaigns. The Senate Ethics Committee investigated the Keating Five, and reprimanded one of them, California Senator Alan Cranston.
9. 2005, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported a bribery scandal involving lobbyists’ gifts and payments to Representative Randy “Duke” Cunningham that led to his resignation from Congress and criminal conviction./ 10. 2005, Washington Post reporters revealed that Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff was the central figure in a congressional corruption scandal, as Justice Department prosecutors investigated him for fraud and bribery allegations./ http://blog.oup.com/2006/03/congressional_l/
Tell me Tootsie, IYHO, are Trade Unions 'Special Interests'? Obama consorted with Trade Unions to deny Delphi non-union employees their pensions and they are suing the U.S. government for $450 Mln and they will probably will and instead of the money being taken away from the Trade Unions, it will be taken away from U.S. taxpayers instead.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#170314 Sep 3, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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It is also said that the entire "Born in Kenya" story is false. And that saying is absolutely TRUE. Did you know that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961? And did you know that all but one of them came BY SEA (by ship)---and that there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii, or vice versa, in 1961. And, did you know that the government of Kenya said that it investigated the "born in Kenya" story and that it is FALSE.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged
How many flights are there today from the U.S. to Kenya? None that are direct But as it is today and can fly between the U.S. via London!!!
In December 1958 I flew from Frankfurt Germany to New York City on a TWA Super Connie prop-job. It took 18 hours with stops in Shannon, Ireland and Gander Newfoundland, Canada. But 1961 most flight across the Atlantic and to Hawaii were by jet but you probably would have taken a prop-job from Kenya to London but it probably would have taken about 36 hours including stops.
Still, very possible. And if the child was on American documents, it would not have been counted as one of the 21 coming from Kenya.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#170315 Sep 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey, did anyone noticed what happened to the NYSE at about 1120 am EDT? It took a DIVE! Why, well Speaker Bonehead and Mitch "Miller" McConnell said they would recommend that Congress support the president on his Syria Miss-adventure.
Yep, the stock market does not like it, the majority of Americans do not like it, the the entrenched politicians like it and that is all that counts!!!
Hmm, and what happened afterwards? Well, DJIA opened at +50,closed at +25. I can't predict these things, you can't , except the manipulators, and you're not one of them, so just let the roulette wheel spin.

But tell me this : Why the triumphant reaction to the news that the bombing may be on and the DJIA tanked? Whose side are you on anyhow? If Obama bombs, will you support him? If Obama does not bomb, will you support him? Lose-lose for Obama with you, right?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#170316 Sep 3, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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It was written by one of the founder population! LMAO
So, you believe unknown authors who supposedly were given the inside track by God himself? Hope you were a good boy so far, Santa knows if you're bad. Lumps of coal for you.

Another parable for LRS :

LRS to no one in particular : "Gosh, this is a good book. So interesting and loaded with facts. It's become my reference, my guide for everything I do ;"

No one in particular : "Hey, that's great. I gotta get for myself. Who wrote it?"

LRS : "I have no idea. Why, is that important?".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#170317 Sep 3, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
What is “lobbying”?
Historically, it is the process of petitioning the government to look at a perceived injustice or to intervene in special causes.
How should lobbying be defined today? That, argue critics, is up for grabs.
Dating back to the Magna Carta written in 1215, the right "by the people" to petition government was a principle reaffirmed in 1776 in the Declaration of Independence and later in the Bill of Rights.
Petitioning to hear individual grievances was a treasured right in the young American democracy, which gave most citizens a potential active role in how they were governed.
Yet, the sense that those early Americans once had - of having a direct voice in local or national politics - is now arguably a quaint thing of the past.
http://www.chiff.com/society/lobby.htm
And for some reason you dew knot thing trade unions have lobbyists.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/assets_c/2011...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#170318 Sep 3, 2013
LRS : I really believe that a true believer is someone who believes in a Supreme Being. I think that believing in the Bible does not a believer make. He is not necessarily a true believer if he believes in the Bible. You believe in the Bible all you want, and that's fine, and honest people respect that, but don't assume that those that don't believe in the Scriptures are non-believers. That is judgemental and even your Bible frowns on people who judge, correct?

Too many "believes" and "believers" in my post, lol.
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#170319 Sep 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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And for some reason you dew knot thing trade unions have lobbyists.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/assets_c/2011...
Ronald Reagan started the weakening of our workers unions back in the 1980s because he was loyal to the CEOs who put him in office.

The Millionaires and Billionaires do not need your help.

They already own most of Washington DC.

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After Citizens United, is a different corporate influence our only hope?
Rethinking Ralph Nader's latest book in light of the Supreme Court decision
February 11, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/7wn42l9
With the recent Supreme Court holding in Citizens United, corporations and unions have first amendment protection to spend directly on political campaigns – at unprecedented levels. This is not the first ruling to protect speech rights for corporations – they also benefit from the Court’s “Noerr-Pennington” doctrine, which exempts them from antitrust laws when they combine to influence legislation.
But Jefferson and company might be quite surprised to learn that “originalists” citing the sanctity of their original intent would let loose upon our government hated British megacorporations of the colonial era, like the Hudson Bay Company, as a “person” with such rights to combine with other companies and win political influence. We live in a world that is increasingly controlled by these horizontal organizations. They, together with labor and professional alliances, dominate Washington and in state capitals. They are euphemized as “stakeholders.”
http://hlrecord.org/...
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#170320 Sep 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Tell me Tootsie, IYHO, are Trade Unions 'Special Interests'? Obama consorted with Trade Unions to deny Delphi non-union employees their pensions and they are suing the U.S. government for $450 Mln and they will probably will and instead of the money being taken away from the Trade Unions, it will be taken away from U.S. taxpayers instead.
Stop being an apologist for the wealthy.

Fox News cares and supports Wall Street.

The S&L Crisis: A Chrono-Bibliography
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/

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ABC News Poll: More Americans Prefer Public Option to Bipartisan Bill
October 30, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kc6jch2
Fifty one percent said they preferred the public option; 37 percent said they preferred a bill with some support from Republicans in Congress. Six percent said neither and seven percent expressed no opinion.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/...

Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds
October 20, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/yg4vq9y
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support from the public.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Poll: Key States Greatly Prefer Public Option Over Senate Health Care Plan
06/30/10 / http://tinyurl.com/m6neahs
http://article.wn.com/view/2010/02/22/Poll_Ke...

Public Support for the Public Option / 6.20.2009 / http://tinyurl.com/m7fynm
A major, though by no means the only, substantive point of debate regarding health care reform is whether the plan considered by Congress will include a "public option" -- a government-run insurance program that would compete with private plans. Barack Obama's plan on the campaign trail included a public option: "any American will have the opportunity to enroll in the new public plan or an approved private plan," it said.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/public...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#170321 Sep 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey, did anyone noticed what happened to the NYSE at about 1120 am EDT? It took a DIVE! Why, well Speaker Bonehead and Mitch "Miller" McConnell said they would recommend that Congress support the president on his Syria Miss-adventure.
Yep, the stock market does not like it, the majority of Americans do not like it, the the entrenched politicians like it and that is all that counts!!!
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Hmm, and what happened afterwards? Well, DJIA opened at +50,closed at +25. I can't predict these things, you can't , except the manipulators, and you're not one of them, so just let the roulette wheel spin.
But tell me this : Why the triumphant reaction to the news that the bombing may be on and the DJIA tanked? Whose side are you on anyhow? If Obama bombs, will you support him? If Obama does not bomb, will you support him? Lose-lose for Obama with you, right?
I am on the side of staying out of this civil war. It is of no threat to us or our interests. The real problem is Iran.
How many times did I hear you Libtards we should not have gone into Iraq as the real problem was al-Qaeda who was in Afghanistan and Pakistan. WELL???? If the real problem (threat to the U.S. and our interests), then why worry about Syria?!?
Isn't it funny that when I turn around the argument that you yourselves used, you will still side with the Democrats.
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#170322 Sep 3, 2013
IRAQ: Women Miss Saddam / http://tinyurl.com/ykpudl5
BAGHDAD, Mar 12, 2010 (IPS)- Under Saddam Hussein, women in government got a year's maternity leave; that is now cut to six months. Under the Personal Status Law in force since Jul. 14, 1958, when Iraqis overthrew the British-installed monarchy, Iraqi women had most of the rights that Western women do.

Now they have Article 2 of the Constitution: "Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation." Sub-head A says "No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam." Under this Article the interpretation of women's rights is left to religious leaders – and many of them are under Iranian influence.

"The U.S. occupation has decided to let go of women's rights," Yanar Mohammed who campaigns for women's rights in Iraq says. "Political Islamic groups have taken southern Iraq, are fully in power there, and are using the financial support of Iran to recruit troops and allies. The financial and political support from Iran is why the Iraqis in the south accept this, not because the Iraqi people want Islamic law."
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#170323 Sep 3, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
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Stop being an apologist for the wealthy.
Fox News cares and supports Wall Street.
The S&L Crisis: A Chrono-Bibliography
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/
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ABC News Poll: More Americans Prefer Public Option to Bipartisan Bill
October 30, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kc6jch2
Fifty one percent said they preferred the public option; 37 percent said they preferred a bill with some support from Republicans in Congress. Six percent said neither and seven percent expressed no opinion.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/...
Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds
October 20, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/yg4vq9y
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support from the public.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Poll: Key States Greatly Prefer Public Option Over Senate Health Care Plan
06/30/10 / http://tinyurl.com/m6neahs
http://article.wn.com/view/2010/02/22/Poll_Ke...
Public Support for the Public Option / 6.20.2009 / http://tinyurl.com/m7fynm
A major, though by no means the only, substantive point of debate regarding health care reform is whether the plan considered by Congress will include a "public option" -- a government-run insurance program that would compete with private plans. Barack Obama's plan on the campaign trail included a public option: "any American will have the opportunity to enroll in the new public plan or an approved private plan," it said.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/public...
Why do you keep posting out of date polls? We have read ObamaCare now that it has passed and the more people who read it, do not like it!!! Now here is a poll that is less than two months old and done by CBS which is not a right-wing source.

CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want Obamacare repealed / July 24, 2013

(CBS News) A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.

According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it.

The health care law is a chronic issue for the White House, CBS News political director John Dickerson said on "CBS This Morning." "There's an operational part to this, which is that the White House has got to get people to sign up for these health exchanges, particularly younger, healthier Americans, and so they are tactically running a campaign much like the presidential campaign, reaching out, using the techniques of that campaign to get younger people to sign up for these health exchanges."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-575952...
Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#170324 Sep 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey, did anyone noticed what happened to the NYSE at about 1120 am EDT? It took a DIVE! Why, well Speaker Bonehead and Mitch "Miller" McConnell said they would recommend that Congress support the president on his Syria Miss-adventure.
Yep, the stock market does not like it, the majority of Americans do not like it, the the entrenched politicians like it and that is all that counts!!!
Unbelievable.. when have Americans, particularly right-wingers and Republicans not been enthusiastic

about bombing the hell out of someone.

Remember: " The business of America is War" ...the NRA members paarticularly see it as a vicarious and joyful activity.
Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#170325 Sep 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Why do you keep posting out of date polls? We have read ObamaCare now that it has passed and the more people who read it, do not like it!!! Now here is a poll that is less than two months old and done by CBS which is not a right-wing source.
CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want Obamacare repealed / July 24, 2013
(CBS News) A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.
According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it.
The health care law is a chronic issue for the White House, CBS News political director John Dickerson said on "CBS This Morning." "There's an operational part to this, which is that the White House has got to get people to sign up for these health exchanges, particularly younger, healthier Americans, and so they are tactically running a campaign much like the presidential campaign, reaching out, using the techniques of that campaign to get younger people to sign up for these health exchanges."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-575952...
You only polled Republican Congressmen who have the best healthcare plan paid by the taxpayers.

Of course, they don't want any changes..

Why not poll ordinary people
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#170326 Sep 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Why do you keep posting out of date polls? We have read ObamaCare now that it has passed and the more people who read it, do not like it!!! Now here is a poll that is less than two months old and done by CBS which is not a right-wing source.
CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want Obamacare repealed / July 24, 2013
(CBS News) A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.
According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it.
The health care law is a chronic issue for the White House, CBS News political director John Dickerson said on "CBS This Morning." "There's an operational part to this, which is that the White House has got to get people to sign up for these health exchanges, particularly younger, healthier Americans, and so they are tactically running a campaign much like the presidential campaign, reaching out, using the techniques of that campaign to get younger people to sign up for these health exchanges."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-575952...
See the liberal/progressives were 100% right with Single Payer or Public Option.

Obama passed a Republican health care with not one Republican voting for it.

The truth is the truth either back in 2009, 2010, or whatever.

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Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny
Third-party candidates are effectively shut out of the presidential race by the two major parties designed to squash the competition.

July 7, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/y89nfb7

In the run up to the 2004 elections article after article appeared documenting the reigning chaos in our electoral procedures, and surmising that another “Florida 2000” could happen. After the election, questions were raised in Ohio and in the gubernatorial race in Washington State, but in 2008, the infatuation with the electoral system was otherwise directed to the early primaries and the “historic” potential to elect Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. With neither election as razor-close as the 537 vote discrepancy in Florida 2000, some of the prior attention paid to our electoral systems has waned.

To the extent concern is shown, it tends to focus on the mechanics of registering to vote, keeping accurate lists, and having votes counted by machines of better-than-dubious programming or security. Less concern is directed to the far more disenfranchising systemic problems of having a “winner-take-all” system that results in uncompetitive elections in most congressional and local races. Nor is there a widespread movement toward choice maximizing voting systems, or just better competition by structuring campaign finance systems to encourage participation for more than our millionaires or those who have access to them.

In this country, we are really just at the beginning of understanding the deep flaws with our arcane electoral processes. Virtually none of the attention is on the rights of third-party or independent candidates to compete on a level playing field with the major parties so that all voters, not just two-party voters, have a chance to vote for whom they want. This book is written for third party and Independents candidates, their voters, the election law reformers and chroniclers, and all those who have tried or will try to grapple with the stunning incompetence and injustice of the broken, two-party dominated American electoral system.
http://thenewpress.com/index.php...
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#170329 Sep 3, 2013
A Rancid Deal with Big Pharma
August 6, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kydtv7j
So now we know why the president wants everyone to make nice in the healthcare debate. His White House has cut a deal with Big Pharma that smells like the same old rotten politics that candidate Obama regularly denounced and promised to end. The drug industry agrees to deliver $80 billion in future savings and the president promises the government will not use its awesome purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.
Wow. This is roughly the same deal that George W. Bush cut with the drug makers when he was legislating Medicare's new coverage of drug purchases. It is the same bargain that Democrats in Congress universally condemned as wasteful and corrupt. The deal does not smell any better now that a Democratic president is embracing it.
In effect, Obama wants to give away one of the principal objectives of strong reform. The details were spelled out in today's New York Times and revealed by Big Pharma's top-dog lobbyist, Billy Tauzin, a former Republican congressman who leads the industry association. Tauzin called it a "rock-solid deal," and the White House did not dispute as much. But that is not the last word.
http://www.thenation.com/article/rancid-deal-... #

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Dorgan Amendment Slashed After Last Minute Pharma Deall Hasn’t Agreed To / December 16, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/yhmpexf
Ryan Grim has a good tick-tock on the failure of the Dorgan amendment last night, delivering a huge victory for the pharmaceutical industry and a blow to consumers who could have saved over $100 billion in prescription drug costs. 30 Democrats and Joe Lieberman ended up voting against this amendment, preserving a backroom deal between PhRMa and the White House to limit their exposure to profit reductions in the overall health care bill.
Grim confirms that the linchpin to this treachery was a deal discussed by Senate leadership the night before, as I surmised previously
http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/dorgan...

Max Baucus WellPoint/Liz Fowler Plan"
September 8, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/md9or8
All this time I’ve been calling Max Tax health care Max Baucus’ health care plan.
But, as William Ockham points out, it’s actually Liz Fowler’s health care plan (if you open the document and look under document properties, it lists her as author). At one level, it’s not surprising that Bad Max’s Senior Counsel would have authored the Max Tax plan. Here’s how Politico described her role in Bad Max’s health care plan earlier this year / http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/08/...

Evidence makes Dorgan’s charge against the White House seem entirely plausible / Dec 18, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/ylz32mr
Yesterday, we reported that Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) is making an extremely serious accusation - he essentially asserts that the White House political staff coerced the Food and Drug Administration into issuing a safety warning, not on the basis of sound science, but in order to protect the pharmaceutical industry's profits. If this accusation is true, it would mean that the Obama White House engaged in precisely the kind of politicization of science that the Rove White House engaged in.
Details about exactly what happened are going to come out on this in the next few weeks. When they do, we'll report on them. But in the meantime, let's look at two important pieces of circumstantial evidence that supports Dorgan's accusation:
http://openleft.com/diary/16574/evidence-make...
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#170331 Sep 3, 2013
List of 51 Senate Democrats Who Support a Public Option: What’s Stopping Them Now?/ January 29, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/lrczx37
Some day, just for kicks, I’m going to collect quotes from every scold who called upon their volumes of wisdom about Senate procedure to decree that Joe Lieberman must be the ultimate decider on any health care bill, because after all it took 60 votes to pass anything. Because now, as we’ve known all along, that’s a self-imposed limitation that the Senate can surmount if they want to.
But let’s remember that back in August, when Chuck Schumer was pushing to pass health care through reconciliation, here was the guy who was running the health care show on behalf of the White House:
[Rahm Emanuel] acknowledged the political realities that have made the Finance Committee’s still-unfinished cooperative plan a center of attention.
“We have heard from both chambers that the House sees a public plan as essential for the final product, and the Senate believes it cannot pass it as constructed and a co-op is what they can do,” Mr. Emanuel said.“We are cognizant of that fact.”
And then he handed the keys over to Joe Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln to write a wildly unpopular bill that is threatening to take down the party.
When he voted against a public option on the Senate Finance Committe, Max Baucus — who has supported a public option in the past — said he did so because it couldn’t get 60 votes in the Senate. And now they can’t even get 50 votes to agree to change the bill in any way.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/29/l...

The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill
February 8, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/y93863b
At this point, I don't think it's well understood how many of the GOP's central health-care policy ideas have already been included as compromises in the health-care bill. But one good way is to look at the GOP's "Solutions for America" homepage, which lays out its health-care plan in some detail. It has four planks. All of them -- yes, you read that right -- are in the Senate health-care bill.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2...
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#170332 Sep 3, 2013
Evan Bayh’s Wife Reaping the benefits of Health Care Reform
12-22-09 / http://tinyurl.com/y9lmve8
Just to put this boon to health insurance stocks in perspective: according [to] an Indianapolis Star article from June, Evan Bayh's wife, Susan, "owns from $500,001 to $1 million in employee stock in WellPoint, the Indianapolis-based insurance giant on whose board she sits." That would mean that the value of her personal holdings in that one health insurance company alone, in the last six weeks alone (since [Senator Joseph] Lieberman and her husband began menacing the public option), would have increased by a value of between $125,000 and $250,000. As part of the bonanza of health care industry board positions she magically received since her husband became a Senator, Susan Bayh is given a quarter-million dollars each year in stocks and stock options from Wellpoint. That's just a microcosm for considering how well Obama's so-called "special interests" have done as a result of this health care bill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/22/evan...

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Bush's Uncle Earned Millions in War Firm Sale
An SEC filing shows William H.T. Bush collected about $1.9 million in cash, plus stock valued at $800,000, from the deal. March 23, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/k7rwlrz
WASHINGTON — As President Bush embarks on a new effort to shore up public support for the war in Iraq, an uncle of the commander in chief is collecting $2.7 million in cash and stock from the recent sale of a company that profited from the war.
A report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission shows that William H.T. Bush collected just under $1.9 million in cash plus stock valued at more than $800,000 from the sale of Engineered Support Systems Inc. to DRS Technologies of New Jersey./ http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/23/natio...

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Revolving door for health care aides /
9/15/09 / http://tinyurl.com/q243zq
Some of the most influential aides in the closed-door Senate Finance Committee negotiations over health care reform have ties to interests that would be directly affected by the legislation.
Before she was hired last year as senior counsel to Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Liz Fowler worked as a highly paid public policy adviser for WellPoint Inc., the nation’s largest publicly traded health benefits company.
Mark Hayes, health policy director and chief health counsel for Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), is married to a registered lobbyist for a firm that represents drug companies and hospital groups, although the couple says she doesn’t lobby Grassley’s office.
Frederick Isasi, a health policy adviser to Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), was a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, where his clients included public hospitals and the American Stroke Association.
Kate Spaziani, senior health policy aide to Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), was also a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, although Conrad’s office says she worked as a lawyer — not as a lobbyist — for public hospitals on Medicare issues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/271...

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#170337 Sep 3, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Wow, the Earth's population is made up of all Angels! And I thought the Bible said, God created man. Got a clue, bonehead?
You said it was laughable that god would create a world full of minigods.

According to the Bible, he did. It is called Heaven the little gods are called angels.

Then he sent 1/3 of that population to the Earth. So, yes. I have a clue. Read more, speak less.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

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#170338 Sep 3, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
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Jews call Him Moshiach
Muslims call Him Mahdi
Christians call Him Jesus
and all are waiting for His return.
Ah, I was under the impression the Jews interviewed Jesus and found him not to be up to snuff.

I know there is a sect of Jews that believe Jesus was the messiah. But Jews do not allow them to call themselves Jewish.

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