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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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<quoted text>DEFY OBAMA! I REFUSE To Recognize Obama as President of anything.
Kenyan-born Obama can have no power if we don't give it to him. RESIST! Refuse to obey anything he says.
I too hate Big Brother.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

And there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---and very few 18-year-olds did.
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Aug 29, 2013
 
Scrutiny wrote:
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Mmmmhummm.
Was it not you that debated with me for two days over my assertion that God had a mandate for slavery?
Even after looking right at the mandate I pulled straight from scripture, you denied it.
So, what I am asking is....
Did God mandate slavery... or not?
I will leave you with one line to help your process...
Ephesians 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
It appears too me that you might of came out of the same school as Limbaugh.

Obfuscation, conjecture, half-trues do not work on me. LOL

You left out the most important line: 9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Ephesians 6:9

Plus it clearly states slave or not do good to others.
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Aug 29, 2013
 
Scrutiny wrote:
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Please note the word fear.
This wasn't a you work for me and shelter and health care relationship. It was slavery.
You... are referring to the part where he lays out indentured servitude for countrymen ONLY. A charitable enterprise for the less than fortunate chosen.
The purpose of all humankind is to love God with all your heart and to serve others......

..... PERIOD.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
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Aug 29, 2013
 
Scrutiny wrote:
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I think you know well that I believe all of this to be total fiction, as do most people who study it.
Of coarse, no one was there. And no... I don't think God exist.
But if you include the books that did not make the final draft... it is a complex literary adventure. And a rather cool read.
For example... The book of Adam.
Which is where the above story of Lucifer comes from.
12.1 the devil began to cry with forced tears and the devil told Adam, "O Adam, all the greed and the anger and all the grief of my heart are directed against you because it was through you that I fell from my dwellings,(it was) by you that I was alienated from my own throne. My wings were more numerous than those of the Cherubim, and I concealed myself under them. Because of you, now my feet walk on the earth, which I would never have believed."
12.2 Adam replied to the devil and told him,
12.3 "What is my fault, by which I have done all that to you?"
13.1 The devil replied to him and told him, "You did nothing to me, but it is because of you that I have fallen upon the earth."
13.2 The very day when you were created, on that day, I fell from before the face of God, because when God breathed a spirit onto your face, you had the image and likeness of the divinity. And then Michael came; he presented you and made you bend down before God. And God told Michael, "I have created Adam according to (my) image and my divinity."
14.1 Then Michael came; he summoned all the troops of angels and told them, "Bow down before the likeness and the image of the divinity."
14.2 And then, when Michael summoned them and all had bowed down to you, he summoned me also.
14.3 And I told him, "Go away from me, for I shall not bow down to him who is younger than me; indeed, I am master prior to him and it is proper for him to bow down to me.
15.1 The six classes of other angels heard that and my speech pleased them and they did not bow down to you.
16.1 Then God became angry with us and commanded us, them and me, to be cast down from our dwellings to the earth. As for you, he commanded you to dwell in paradise.
16.2 When I had realized that I had fallen before you,[B, "by your power] that I was in distress and you were in rest,
16.3 then I aimed at hunting you so that I might alienate you from the paradise of Delights, just as I had been alienated because of you.
17.1 When Adam heard that, he cried in a loud voice and said, "Lord, my life is in your hands. Make this enemy distant from me, who desires to lead me astray and seeks to destroy my race. It is by him that Eve has been lost."
17.2 At that moment, Beliar became invisible.
17.3 As for Adam, he remained in the water and did repentance. But Eve had fallen upon the earth like one dead. Then she stood up from the earth (ground?)
There are many interesting things that got edited out of the bible.
There is ZERO power with those words because they are not inspired by GOD and were rejected.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

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Aug 29, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
What a double-talking piece of garbage! Ok Bill, let's run an FBI background check on every voter! What a total bunch of crap. Can anyone tell me why this lying sack of shyt is still around? If you believe a word out of his mouth, you're a fool. Period. That ranks up there with the dumbest political statements ever made.
http://politix.topix.com/homepage/7694-bill-c...
You wrote " That ranks up there with the dumbest political statements ever made." Poor slug. You should've written " My reply ranks up there with the dumbest post ever written" as you obviously, again did not understand what Clinton said. Why is he still around? Two reasons, namely, 1) he's one of the 5 best-ever presidents and, 2) were he allowed to run for office in 2016, he'd be a cinch to win another term.

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Aug 29, 2013
 
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
Idi Amin Dada is another famous African.
I used to work with a girl from Uganda. Her name was Juanita.
loose
Hitler was another famous white European. As was white American Jim Crow. Cover that glass house.
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Aug 29, 2013
 
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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1. Rogue dared anyone to name famous Africans.
2. Poppo did.
3. I did.
4. Rogue could not identify one single African that Poppo and I named.
5. To confirm his ignorance on the matter, he added, to my post, making it look like I did, a non-African, Obama. Low.
6. Sigh
Absolutely true and I did not know many of your names.

Rogue only knows and believes what Fox News Rightwing Propaganda Channel tells him.

ROTFL

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

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Scrutiny wrote:
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I think you know well that I believe all of this to be total fiction, as do most people who study it.
Of coarse, no one was there. And no... I don't think God exist.
But if you include the books that did not make the final draft... it is a complex literary adventure. And a rather cool read.
For example... The book of Adam.
Which is where the above story of Lucifer comes from.
12.1 the devil began to cry with forced tears and the devil told Adam, "O Adam, all the greed and the anger and all the grief of my heart are directed against you because it was through you that I fell from my dwellings,(it was) by you that I was alienated from my own throne. My wings were more numerous than those of the Cherubim, and I concealed myself under them. Because of you, now my feet walk on the earth, which I would never have believed."
12.2 Adam replied to the devil and told him,
12.3 "What is my fault, by which I have done all that to you?"
13.1 The devil replied to him and told him, "You did nothing to me, but it is because of you that I have fallen upon the earth."
13.2 The very day when you were created, on that day, I fell from before the face of God, because when God breathed a spirit onto your face, you had the image and likeness of the divinity. And then Michael came; he presented you and made you bend down before God. And God told Michael, "I have created Adam according to (my) image and my divinity."
14.1 Then Michael came; he summoned all the troops of angels and told them, "Bow down before the likeness and the image of the divinity."
14.2 And then, when Michael summoned them and all had bowed down to you, he summoned me also.
14.3 And I told him, "Go away from me, for I shall not bow down to him who is younger than me; indeed, I am master prior to him and it is proper for him to bow down to me.
15.1 The six classes of other angels heard that and my speech pleased them and they did not bow down to you.
16.1 Then God became angry with us and commanded us, them and me, to be cast down from our dwellings to the earth. As for you, he commanded you to dwell in paradise.
16.2 When I had realized that I had fallen before you,[B, "by your power] that I was in distress and you were in rest,
16.3 then I aimed at hunting you so that I might alienate you from the paradise of Delights, just as I had been alienated because of you.
17.1 When Adam heard that, he cried in a loud voice and said, "Lord, my life is in your hands. Make this enemy distant from me, who desires to lead me astray and seeks to destroy my race. It is by him that Eve has been lost."
17.2 At that moment, Beliar became invisible.
17.3 As for Adam, he remained in the water and did repentance. But Eve had fallen upon the earth like one dead. Then she stood up from the earth (ground?)
There are many interesting things that got edited out of the bible.
Got it. You had me worried for a while, as it seems I had a birther moment LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).

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Aug 29, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
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What you fail to grasp (completely) is the fact that someone creates the computer generated document. Who created it? Read and learn. Maybe you can spot the flaw in the system. Then again, maybe not.
No Mr. Liars, it is you who fail to understand that vital record keepers are not in the business of creating records they are in the business of preserving them. I believe everyone in the entire world knows this save the ignorant birfoon.

First off you are totally confused about computerized records. There were no computers in 1961. Obama’s Certificate of live birth registered with the HDoH on Aug 8th, 1961 was a paper document. The HDoH went to a computerized system in 2003 which means the information from those paper documents were transferred into the system for easy access and print; thus computer generated.

That Mr. Liars is what you fail to grasp or you wouldn’t keep asking who created it?

Who created your birth certificate?
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Aug 29, 2013
 
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." M.L.King Jr.
Now impeach the Kenyan-born Antichrist already!
And Doc steps forward to remind us yet again that Birfoons are ignorant hypocrites who can't comprehend English
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Aug 29, 2013
 
Just me wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't know it was possible for them to be further confounded.
Just when you think they've hit bottom .... Birfoons are infinitely ignorant
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Aug 29, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>He is very close to impeachment. He'd be impeached now if Dims had a backbone. Unfortunately, you can't make a snake slither upright.
If only you could dream up a valid reason ....
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Aug 29, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Desperation? LMAO! Get a hold of yourself, man! Oh, I see you already have! LMAO!
Gee Romper. I hope you didn't hurt yourself. I'm sure you had to power slam 3 Red Bulls to to come up with that one
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Churchlady wrote:
<quoted text>DEFY OBAMA! I REFUSE To Recognize Obama as President of anything.
Kenyan-born Obama can have no power if we don't give it to him. RESIST! Refuse to obey anything he says.
I too hate Big Brother.
Way to sell it sister!

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Aug 29, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
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I asked you what races have not been subjected to slavery. Where is your answer? You doofus, you don't even know what post we're talking about! LMAO!
I would imagine just about every race in the world at one point or another Mr. Liars.

So why not centuries of slavery and another century of Jim Crow in the land of the free?

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Aug 29, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
Here ya go Groidboy.
http://www.wnd.com/2010/01/122427/
Exactly why you will forever remain confused. No computers in 61.

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Aug 29, 2013
 
Truth Detector wrote:
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You are in fact attempting to suggest that a forged document can prove an imaginary Hawaiian birth.
A hard copy of a document that was only scanned would not be turned into a PDF file.
This action is accomplished by human action ordering the computer to do this, and the only reason to do this would be to either create the document in whole, or change the document some manner.
What is the only thing that a forged document can prove?
Yep, I'm SMEllen the stank of shit emanating from you Poopoo stain!
Scanning a document to PDF does not make it a forgery GB. I thought I explained that.

“It is instead an ordinary PDF created by scanning an ordinary document and optimizing it for the Internet. This process does digitally alter the document, but it does not change it.

It does not turn truth into fiction; it does not change the meaning of words or move Honolulu to the coast of Kenya”
Frank Arduini

You still funny man though GB.
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Aug 29, 2013
 
wojar wrote:
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You're not thinking too clearly. The fact that there were thousands of "first" humans precludes the possibility that the literal Adam & Eve theory of "original sin" can be true. According to Romans 5:12 sin and death entered the world through the action of one man. The Christian hypothesis of original sin is that the guilt of original sin was transmitted from generation to generation to Adam's descendants.
The problem with this theory is that Adam's brothers, sisters, cousins, and clan members would have to have become susceptible to death and guilty vicariously. The bible story based original sin theory requires only two "first parents", which is a false premise. Factually incorrect. Really, because Adam "sinned" his brother in-laws sister's husband was condemned to death because of Adam's OS?
Aside from the problems the OS hypothesis has with founder population size there is also the problem that the evidence shows that humans share a common ancestor with the chimpanzee. This means your "Adam" had a mother. So for your theory of original sin to be correct, Adam's mother was not human, or if she was human, she was human but mortal, contradicting the sin of one man introduced death into the world fable.
Again, how were Adam's contemporaries "born with iniquity" unless they were created that way, in which case God created something that was not "good".
No matter how you slice it, your theory crashes and burns.
No one denies that there is what we perceive as evil in the world. But your Adam & Eve fable doesn't work as an explanation of the facts and evidence.
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My belief system is just as plausible as yours.

You cannot prove what you said.

If you trace back all your past lineage you just might be related too me.

I heard John Kerry and George Bush were cousins, and not just skull and bones. lol

Maybe Adam and Eve were hairy apelike humans?

Is it not possible or probable that Methuselah who lived 969 years could have numerous other children in his lifetime?

Same principle with Adam and Eve who lived a long life.

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Genesis 2:7

7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Genesis 2:21-25

21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”

24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

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Justice LRS wrote:
But hey, if you gum-flappers wish to continue to be conned, have at it! I choose not to.
Then you’ve been conned by every president since you’ve been born because you’ve seen none of their records.
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Joe Biden wrote:
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But what would the charges against Bush and Cheney be? Here are the charges against Clinton;
From Wiki: Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote)[15] and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).
Ah, the reason why neither Bush or Cheney were not impeached was because there were no grounds to do so. If lying was an offense, Obama would have been impeached in the first three months he was in office.
You are DEAD WRONG on this.

Ford pardoned Nixon because it would be too painful for our citizenry. What a JOKE.

Clinton swept Iran/Contra under the rug. What a JOKE.

Bush and Cheney never blamed Bill Clinton for September 11, 2001. What a Joke. Too be fair they were negligent and let it happen.

Obama swept all the crimes of Bush/Cheney under the rug and continued almost all of them. What a JOKE.

PETRAEUS & CROCKER TESTIFIED WITHOUT TAKING THE OATH TO SWEAR AND TELL THE TRUTH!

BUSH & CHENEY DID THE SAME AT THE 9/11 COMMISSION INVESTIGATIONS!

THEY DID NOT TESTIFY UNDER OATH!

Fool Me Once, Shame On You, Fool Me Twice, Shame On Me!


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1999 Report Warned Of Suicide Hijackings
May 17, 2002 / http://tinyurl.com/lvz5d5b
(CBS) Two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, an analysis prepared for U.S. intelligence warned that Osama bin Laden's terrorists could hijack an airliner and fly it into government buildings like the Pentagon.

"Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al Qaeda's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House," the September 1999 report said.

The Bush administration has asserted that no one in government had envisioned a suicide hijacking before it happened.

"Had I know that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect the American people," Mr. Bush told U.S. Air Force Academy football team members who were visiting the White House on Friday. It was his first public comment on revelations this week that he was told Aug. 6 that bin Laden wanted to hijack planes.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washdc/20...

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F.A.A. Alerted on Qaeda in '98, 9/11 Panel Said
http://tinyurl.com/q5nzr / September 14, 2005 /
WASHINGTON, Sept. 13 - American aviation officials were warned as early as 1998 that Al Qaeda could "seek to hijack a commercial jet and slam it into a U.S. landmark," according to previously secret portions of a report prepared last year by the Sept. 11 commission. The officials also realized months before the Sept. 11 attacks that two of the three airports used in the hijackings had suffered repeated security lapses.
The White House and many members of the commission, which has completed its official work, have been battling for more than a year over the release of the commission's report on aviation failures, which was completed in August 2004.
A heavily redacted version was released by the Bush administration in January, but commission members complained that the deleted material contained information critical to the public's understanding of what went wrong on Sept. 11. In response, the administration prepared a new public version of the report, which was posted Tuesday on the National Archives Web site.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/14/politics/14...

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