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#169402 Aug 28, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure if you understand what Lucifer is. That is his proper biblical name and as one of god's few "perfect" creations the pious are remiss in calling him devil or satan.
Lucifer was an Angel. Rivaled only by few such as Michael and Raphael. He is perfect as all angels were created.
His crime was that he loved god above all others. You see, when god created man... he asked the angels to love humanity as they loved god.
To put it in perspective...
Put yourself in the shoes of an angel. Now, God asks you to love pigs as you love him.
Lucifer saw this as impossible. He didn't dislike humanity, he just couldn't reconcile worshiping them equal with the almighty.
As you are aware, God has big anger management problems. And for this act he cast Lucifer into the lake of fire. Along with 1/3 of the remaining angels... it apparently was a pretty popular opinion at the time.
The role of Lucifer has changed over the centuries. Now we have a Demon who is responsible for all evil and vice on Earth.
Which brings us to free will. You have it because God says you do. If that isn't irony....
One of the weirdest contradictions in the bible is free will vs. God's plan.
They are mutually exclusive yet must be harmonious. The big picture philosophy between these two forces are enough to make anyone's head spin.
But you are correct in a sense. According to the celestial story in christianity ... we are nothing more than a complex wagered game to our celestial overlords.
We are here... to prove a predetermined point.
I don't know how anyone could even wish for any of this to be true.
Apologies.

God cast Lucifer to the Earth.

Not until gentle Jesus meek and mild does the idea of eternal torment in hell fire come to us.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#169403 Aug 28, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
So, since the typewriter went the way of the dinosaurs. We now live in a world without certainty.
I am having trouble coming up with a type of document that is not computer generated.
Even your precious xerox of the original is computer generated.
You think they have a team of artist at the treasury to paint your dollars?
How about that border around your "original" BC?
ALL computer generated.
I routinely file patent application documents that I create with Word and convert to pdf with Acrobat. The file is uploaded to the Patent Office using my digital certificate. The electronic document at PTO is proof of filing.(I am required to maintain my digital record though.)
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#169404 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, you miss the most basic of points. Do you know how the process works today? See, someone (?) must look up the information, then enter it onto a blank form and print it out. That, in no way, proves a damn thing. The way it used to be was much, much more secure. Grab original and copy, no scan involved. It's pretty hard to doctor a photocopy. Someone "says" doesn't prove anything. Fact is, we have not seen the man's original birth certificate. Period. DABytch
Any document posted on the Internet was scanned at some point in time. However, if the hard copy of what was scanned includes signatures, dates, etc., that were hand written onto the original doc, how on Earth would a computer operator input same?
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#169405 Aug 28, 2013
nebka wrote:
<quoted text>
Where in the world do you get that date from? Just because he was born on Aug 4 1961 you have no idea when he was conceived on,.
He apparently has secret info which he doesn't care to share because he never responded to my question re same which I asked a few days ago.
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#169406 Aug 28, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama received 51.1% of the vote. He believes that gives him a mandate to destroy the lives of 310 million United States citizens and to ignore The Constitution and the laws of this country. I bet that the five million that didn't vote,didn't want to vote for Obama,so they didn't vote instead of voting for Romney. Do you think that they might have voted had they known that Obama was going to use the IRS and NSC to spy on citizens? Do you think that people would have voted differently had they known that Obama was going to force them to lose their health insurance or pay penalty? Do you think that 51.1% of the vote gives Obama permission to be the most corrupt politician in our life time? Do you think that 51.1% of the vote gives Obama a right to send guns to Mexico to kill thousands of people through operation "Fast and Furious"? No,our country does not vote for president to give someone tyrannical powers of an Emperor or dictator.
Bush received 50.7% of the vote. He believes that gives him a mandate to destroy the lives of 310 million United States citizens and to ignore The Constitution and the laws of this country.

Hmmm, I bet you weren't complaining in 2004 when Bush thought he had a mandate.
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#169408 Aug 28, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go again with your fancy English comprehension. Don't you know that will confound the Birfoons for weeks?
I didn't know it was possible for them to be further confounded.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169409 Aug 28, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama received 51.1% of the vote. He believes that gives him a mandate to destroy the lives of 310 million United States citizens and to ignore The Constitution and the laws of this country. I bet that the five million that didn't vote,didn't want to vote for Obama,so they didn't vote instead of voting for Romney. Do you think that they might have voted had they known that Obama was going to use the IRS and NSC to spy on citizens? Do you think that people would have voted differently had they known that Obama was going to force them to lose their health insurance or pay penalty? Do you think that 51.1% of the vote gives Obama permission to be the most corrupt politician in our life time? Do you think that 51.1% of the vote gives Obama a right to send guns to Mexico to kill thousands of people through operation "Fast and Furious"? No,our country does not vote for president to give someone tyrannical powers of an Emperor or dictator.
Okay, 51.1% tp 48.9%. You want to extrapolate on a population of say, 315 million and see what you come up with? I'll tell ya : 161 million for Obama and 154 million got Romney. Looks better for you when you just factor in the actual voters, no? Either way, you lose. Oops, either way, you lost LMAO (LRS tm reg'd)

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169410 Aug 28, 2013
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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169411 Aug 28, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>In the 2012 election,250 million United States citizens did not vote for Obama.
That right? Who'd they vote for, Romney? And, had they all been allowed to vote, you somehow know most would have voted for Romney? The same percentages of 51.1% and 48.9% would have not applied to the entire population? You can't accept it , can you, spoiled little boy. Gonna hold your breath 'til you turn blue? Blue is democrat you know, LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#169412 Aug 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>If it's an annual rate there soon will be no white people at all in Chitown!
At this time I believe there are only a few left as sightings are very rare. Traps are being set up to capture the rest and it's believed that the extinction of the elusive white Chicagoan will take place any day now.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169413 Aug 28, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure if you understand what Lucifer is. That is his proper biblical name and as one of god's few "perfect" creations the pious are remiss in calling him devil or satan.
Lucifer was an Angel. Rivaled only by few such as Michael and Raphael. He is perfect as all angels were created.
His crime was that he loved god above all others. You see, when god created man... he asked the angels to love humanity as they loved god.
To put it in perspective...
Put yourself in the shoes of an angel. Now, God asks you to love pigs as you love him.
Lucifer saw this as impossible. He didn't dislike humanity, he just couldn't reconcile worshiping them equal with the almighty.
As you are aware, God has big anger management problems. And for this act he cast Lucifer into the lake of fire. Along with 1/3 of the remaining angels... it apparently was a pretty popular opinion at the time.
The role of Lucifer has changed over the centuries. Now we have a Demon who is responsible for all evil and vice on Earth.
Which brings us to free will. You have it because God says you do. If that isn't irony....
One of the weirdest contradictions in the bible is free will vs. God's plan.
They are mutually exclusive yet must be harmonious. The big picture philosophy between these two forces are enough to make anyone's head spin.
But you are correct in a sense. According to the celestial story in christianity ... we are nothing more than a complex wagered game to our celestial overlords.
We are here... to prove a predetermined point.
I don't know how anyone could even wish for any of this to be true.
Extract of what you wrote : "His crime was that he loved god above all others. You see, when god created man... he asked the angels to love humanity as they loved god.

To put it in perspective...

Put yourself in the shoes of an angel. Now, God asks you to love pigs as you love him.

Lucifer saw this as impossible. He didn't dislike humanity, he just couldn't reconcile" .

Where'd you get all this? And whoever told the tale, was he there when God banished Lucifer? Seems he was. His whole explanation of humanity vs God - who told whoever wrote this? Any witnesses? If the Newtown killer informed you that God told him to create angels by killing innocent children, which in a way makes sense as they are exempt from temptation in later years, would you believe him as you believe God told Abraham,Moses and Joshua et al to kill? Funny, God talked to these prophets, yet it was always one on one, never any witnesses. And you believe them?

I don't subscribe to "What do I lose if I'm right and what do you lose if you're wrong" reasoning. Isn't that a copout?

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Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169414 Aug 28, 2013
Just me wrote:
<quoted text>
So Chicago's lost 66% of it's white population due to murders by black people?
He could not back up this, another preposterous statement, so it's become a "Red herring, pulling your chain..."

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169415 Aug 28, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
There are lots of ways we are being conned as Americans.
Hell, more often than not there is a con somewhere.
This just isn't one of those things.
There are plenty of things about Obama that deserve scrutiny. I hear of multiple SS#s. I hear of financial aid. I even heard once that no one can find anything that the former Harvard law review president had written. I hear that his bills were all written for him when he was in Illinois and he never introduced legislation of his own.(Meaning he was being groomed)
I haven't looked into any of them, I simply do not care about trivial stuff like that.
But this one is in defiance of the constitution, and I do take that document very seriously.
The Kenya thing doesn't work... at all.
Even if we were to grant you all of your individual theories.
No motive.
No evidence of Kenyan birth.
Obama isn't going anywhere. And if everyone is still stuck on this meaningless crap in 2016... be prepared to welcome the next Goldman Sachs approved democrat.
Because no one else takes it seriously.
The most unusual kind of conning is "self-conning". LRS and his fellow birthers have conned themselves into believing that 0-209, 0-250, 0-9, 0-50 are winning scores . He and his brethren have also conned themselves into believing that Romney won on November 06, 2012 (who will forget "Can you hear us coming" and Rogue's dancing shoes). Ahh, birthers are like the meek, as in "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth...right in the mouth". LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).

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Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#169416 Aug 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>I routinely file patent application documents that I create with Word and convert to pdf with Acrobat. The file is uploaded to the Patent Office using my digital certificate. The electronic document at PTO is proof of filing.(I am required to maintain my digital record though.)
But I am required to keep the hard copy original of any signed declaration or oath. Everything else, such as the disclosure itself, is electronic.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169419 Aug 28, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Don't like that Obama is president? You have the right to ask your congressman and senators to impeach, and they have the right to ignore you----which is highly likely. Still don't like the situation? Well, why not try another country?
He is very close to impeachment. He'd be impeached now if Dims had a backbone. Unfortunately, you can't make a snake slither upright.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169420 Aug 28, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the one that cites him in support of your fable. His shortcomings aren't my problem - just the source of my amusement with your desperation
Desperation? LMAO! Get a hold of yourself, man! Oh, I see you already have! LMAO!
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#169426 Aug 28, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, two great ones. I'd add some public and often controversial but great figures like Kwame Nkrumah, Nelson Mandela, Gerry Rawling, Dr. Christian Barnard, Field Marshal Jan Smuts, Léopold Senghor, Houphouet Boigny, Jomo Kenyatta, Anwar Sadat, Julius Nyerere, and a whole lot more.
Too be honest I only heard of three, Barnard, Sadat and Mandela.

You left out my all time favorite Shaka Zulu.

I still watch it when its on.

Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#169427 Aug 28, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but not a Royal or King.
Much better than a Royal or King, A SAINT!
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#169430 Aug 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
As there were about 10,000 humans in the founder population (without doubt many more than two) your "born with iniquity" hypothesis just crashed and burned, unless you believe in a God who could create something that was not good and you reject all Christian theology, in which case you just crashed and burned again.
Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death ...."
Literally false. Sorry.
So what about the other ~9,999? How were they born with iniquity?
It was the respected theologian, Professor Joseph Ratzinger (now known as Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) who said that the greatest challenge facing modern theologians is the doctrine of original sin.
Retrofitting theological doctrine that was tailor made to fit the literal Adam & Eve story to conform to current scientific knowledge is not a simply a "challenge".
Ratzinger is wrong on original sin.

If what you say is true that nobody was born with iniquity then why is there so much horror in this world?

Obama and Biden is continuing 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Clinton and you can say that too me with a straight face?

OF COURSE THERE IS SIN IN THIS WORLD.

LOL
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#169431 Aug 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And then there came Bush-43 and the Country Club RINOs were still in control over both Houses of Congress and deficit spending caused the dip followed by 9/11 and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but even during the wars the market started back up.
Then in 2006 the Housing Bubble bust and people moved their money from real estate to the stock market which cause a Stock Market Bubble which in turned like all bubbles, POPPED.
And then the Dummycrats got control over both Houses of Congress and the market took and even bigger dive.
And this just proves the more progressive the Congress, the worse the economy and the more Conservative the Congress, the better the economy!!!
The stock market only benefits the wealthy few who cash in every three months.

You are not in that club.

Wake up my friend.

BTW, RINOS Jeb Bush and Chris Christie will be your parties nominees with the blessings of the right side of Wall Street.

LINOS Hillary Clinton and Andrew Cuomo are the favorites with the left side of Wall Street.

In 2016 Wall Street wins again and Rogue loses as usual.

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