BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>You're free to disprove it.
It was disproven long ago and numerous times. Your free to ignore the facts (but we may mistake you for Jercque)
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Aug 27, 2013
 
Learn to Read wrote:
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And that justifies your fable? Stupid does seem to be an appropriate term
And what fable might that be, LTR?

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Because they have already been named (and in fact, I have shown their names and what they said on this site several times before)> Still, since you ask, here they are:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
And it is irrational (to say the least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the No wonder Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all call birthers CRAZY.
Of all of YOUR experts I was only able to find one, Jean-Claude Tremblay, and he denies verifying Obama's BC!!!!
FOX NEWS EXPERT DENIES HE CLAIMED BIRTH CERTIFICATE LEGIT
Angry at network for refusing to retract its story on Obama document Published: 06/21/2011 at 8:32 PM
NEW YORK – The computer graphics expert Fox News relied upon to claim the birth certificate the White House released April 27 was legitimate insists that the network must retract the story, claiming it deliberately misquoted him and continues to ignore his repeated requests.
Jean Claude Tremblay told WND that none of his comments would permit the conclusion that the Obama birth certificate is an authentic document.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/#t8BPRUf7MV...
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/#t8BPRUf7MV...
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Aug 27, 2013
 
Learn to Read wrote:
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It was disproven long ago and numerous times. Your free to ignore the facts (but we may mistake you for Jercque)
Oh well, that settles it then. LTR says so! LMAO! Good one. LMAO!

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Aug 27, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yes they did have to and a judge ruled it that way too. And they DID release all the records ...... that were still in her files!!!
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Case closed. So they unsealed them. All good.
Yep, after the records were purged!

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Justice LRS wrote:
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The solution is to leave guns alone and lock up all Democrats.
Yep, 94.23% of all murders are Democrats!

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Aug 27, 2013
 
Democracynow org wrote:
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satans greatest deception is he wants everyone to believe he doesn't exist.
Says Professor Abraham Van Helsing about the fictional vampire.
Democracynow org wrote:
<quoted text> What makes more sense too me is that Humans sin and were born with iniquity.
Psalm 51:5
Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
I have no problem with those who wish to believe in a higher power if it makes you feel better or treat your fellow human beings better. My problem is with religious dogma.

Fact is the devil is not being accused of petulance and bringing famine upon his people. The good Lord is said to have done these things and a lot more.

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Nothing religious about those words nor did they come from the gods, but think how far man would have advanced had he heeded them.

“But the church of this country is not only indifferent to the wrongs of the slave, it actually takes sides with the oppressors. It has made itself the bulwark of American slavery, and the shield of American slave-hunters. Many of its most eloquent Divines, who stand as the very lights of the church, have shamelessly given the sanction of religion and the Bible to the whole slave system. They have taught that man may, properly, be a slave; that the relation of master and slave is ordained of God; that to send back an escaped bondman to his master is clearly the duty of all the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ; and this horrible blasphemy is palmed off upon the world for Christianity”

“For my part, I would say, welcome infidelity! Welcome atheism! Welcome anything! In preference to the gospel, as preached by those Divines! They convert the very name of religion into an engine of tyranny and barbarous cruelty, and serve to confirm more infidels, in this age, than all the infidel writings of Thomas Paine, Voltaire, and Bolingbroke put together have done”
Frederick Douglass
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/dougl...

“Facts trump speculation”

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Aug 27, 2013
 
Joe Biden wrote:
Justice LRS wrote:
Interracial marriages were illegal until 1967. Hmmm.....!
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Can you tell us which states are "hillbilly states"? Is it the one that has HillBilly Airport?
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/04/hillbill...
Do you know that not until this past Spring, Arkansas did not have even one international airport? Florida has ... 17 international airports!
Oh, to be an international airport you must have a Customs Port of Entry.
Florida had 17 international airports in 1967?

BTW, Haiti has an international customs port of entry. Whoop-dee-doo!

If Jed Clampit rode on an aiplane he wouldn't be a hilbilly?

UR too much Rougie. Florida airports? WTF?
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Aug 27, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>And what fable might that be, LTR?
The "there is no birth certificate" fable you just pasted in.
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Aug 27, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Oh well, that settles it then. LTR says so! LMAO! Good one. LMAO!
See, you're learning. I am an expert!

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Aug 27, 2013
 
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Jean Claude Tremblay told WND that none of his comments would permit the conclusion that the Obama birth certificate is an authentic document.
Keep focusing on the pdf and ignoring the certified and verified birth facts.

Funny how many birfoons believe in Adam even though there is no birth certificate and the scientific evidence is contrary to the literal creation myth but doubt Obama's Hawaiian birth even though Hawaii officials (from both parties) have stated several times that they have the original vital record proving he was born at Kapiolani Hospital and the attending physician was David A. Sinclair, M. D.

Nope, no late registration. Registration 4 days after the birth. Hospital birth. No evidence to contrary.

Dream on, birfoon.
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Poppo wrote:
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Says Professor Abraham Van Helsing about the fictional vampire.
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I have no problem with those who wish to believe in a higher power if it makes you feel better or treat your fellow human beings better. My problem is with religious dogma.
Fact is the devil is not being accused of petulance and bringing famine upon his people. The good Lord is said to have done these things and a lot more.
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Nothing religious about those words nor did they come from the gods, but think how far man would have advanced had he heeded them.
“But the church of this country is not only indifferent to the wrongs of the slave, it actually takes sides with the oppressors. It has made itself the bulwark of American slavery, and the shield of American slave-hunters. Many of its most eloquent Divines, who stand as the very lights of the church, have shamelessly given the sanction of religion and the Bible to the whole slave system. They have taught that man may, properly, be a slave; that the relation of master and slave is ordained of God; that to send back an escaped bondman to his master is clearly the duty of all the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ; and this horrible blasphemy is palmed off upon the world for Christianity”
“For my part, I would say, welcome infidelity! Welcome atheism! Welcome anything! In preference to the gospel, as preached by those Divines! They convert the very name of religion into an engine of tyranny and barbarous cruelty, and serve to confirm more infidels, in this age, than all the infidel writings of Thomas Paine, Voltaire, and Bolingbroke put together have done”
Frederick Douglass
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/dougl...
Here we go again, back to slavery! At some point you must move on for the greater good. Do you know of one race that has not been subjected to slavery? I'm 100% certain you have no clue how God thinks. How vain! LMAO!!! You're just one grain of sand on a beach, poops. That's it. Nothing special about you. No great wisdom or insight do you contain.
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Aug 27, 2013
 
Justice LRS wrote:
Your source was never an "official". He was a clerk in the elections office and didn't have access to anyone's birth certificate. And he didn't swear to anything either - but I can certainly see why you would cling to this
Justice LRS

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Aug 27, 2013
 
Learn to Read wrote:
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See, you're learning. I am an expert!
I am a professional working on a closed course. Do not attempt what I do. Who do you think you are? Me? LMAO!

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Aug 27, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
This really says it all !!!!
Three Presidents -- No one in either party has the courage to do this.
What did Presidents Hoover , Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?
This is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around. I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.
Back during the great depression, Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.
Harry Truman deported over two million illegal aliens after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.
In 1954 Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexicans. The program was called Operation Wetback. It was done so WWII and Korean War veterans would have a better chance at jobs. It took two years, but they deported them!
Now, if they could deport the illegal aliens back then, they could surely do it today. If you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.
Why, you might ask, can't they do this today? Actually the answer is quite simple. Hoover , Truman, and Eisenhower were men of honor, not untrustworthy politicians looking for votes!
Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes - 12 to 20 million illegal aliens - are depending on it.
Obama Keeps Up Torrid Pace of Deportations

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-11/obam...

http://tinyurl.com/qhlhxvo

"In its last fiscal year, 2012, the administration deported a record 409,849 undocumented immigrants -- a rate of about 34,000 a month. For the seven months from Oct. 1, 2012, to June 1, 2013, the pace was about 10 percent slower, but the number was still huge: 246,333, according to ICE spokeswoman Nicole Navas."

According to Rouge calculus Obama is most honorable man in history.
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Learn to Read wrote:
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Your source was never an "official". He was a clerk in the elections office and didn't have access to anyone's birth certificate. And he didn't swear to anything either - but I can certainly see why you would cling to this
As I said, disprove it, if you wish. Sounds like he was told more than once and by more than one person.

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Yep, 94.23% of all murders are Democrats!
Troll.
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wojar wrote:
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Obama Keeps Up Torrid Pace of Deportations
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-11/obam...
http://tinyurl.com/qhlhxvo
"In its last fiscal year, 2012, the administration deported a record 409,849 undocumented immigrants -- a rate of about 34,000 a month. For the seven months from Oct. 1, 2012, to June 1, 2013, the pace was about 10 percent slower, but the number was still huge: 246,333, according to ICE spokeswoman Nicole Navas."
According to Rouge calculus Obama is most honorable man in history.
Obobblehead's math; deport 400K and allow 2M new illegals! What a joke.

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Truth Detector wrote:
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Birthers have not proven that the God particle exists either, but that is not proof that it doesn't!
What is the only thing that a forged document can prove?
Yep, I'm SMEllen1!
What can a forged document fable prove? Birfoons are gullible.

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Ah, but neither of your sources names a document expert by name. WHY?
They do if you follow the links and look hard enough Rogue

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Conclusion

Mara Zebest is correct; the Obama PDF has been digitally altered. But she is not correct that it is a forgery.

It is instead an ordinary PDF created by scanning an ordinary document and optimizing it for the Internet. This process does digitally alter the document, but it does not change it.

IT DOES NOT TURN TRUTH INTO FICTION; IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE MEANING OF WORDS OR MOVE HONOLULU TO THE COAST OF KENYA.

And most importantly, it does not make the original document from which it was copied and altered suddenly disappear.

The only genuine expert in digital image analysis that has publicly commented on the Obama PDF had an important and sensible observation as a preface to his discussion. Dr. Neil Krawetz observed that Digital document analysis can detect manipulation, but it cannot determine whether the original subject is authentic.

The authenticity can only be determined by the State of Hawaii, and they already said that it is authentic.

“On June 13, 2008 then candidate Barack Obama released his sealed and certified Hawaiian birth certificate to the press and public. On April 27, 2011 he did so again, this time releasing his long form version. Both documents have been attested to by the government of the State of Hawaii as authentic, as proving that he was born in the United States of America”

WITH THOSE ACTS, HE HAS PROVIDED MORE PROOF OF HIS NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY.
Frank Arduini
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-t...

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