BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Frank

Spokane, WA

#169366 Aug 28, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
He certainly didn't vote for Romney, as 69 million others did not. LMAO (LRS tm reg,d). Oh, what'd you do with those dancing shoes? Keeping them for your President Canadian/Cuban/American Cruz dance?
In the 2012 election,250 million United States citizens did not vote for Obama.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#169367 Aug 28, 2013
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai'i,” Hawai'i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said.“I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai'i.”

In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.

State of Hawaii
Neil Abercrombie, Governor
April 27, 2011

But of course, in Birfistan, after DoH verifies the birth facts, publicly states that the pdf is a copy of the President's birth certificate, and reporters see the hard copy provided by DoH to the President, nothing has been proven.

Pitiful.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169368 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Twinkerbelle, no original has been shown. Nothing can be proven with CGI. Wise up, child.
ORIGINALS stay in files. States send out official copies and THEY are the official birth certificate, not the one in the files.

Birthers have not even shown that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did in those days), and yet they would like the world to believe that there is a realistic chance that she had a passport, and traveled using it during the last two months of pregnancy (which would have been even more rare due to the rate of stillbirths at the time) and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying when they have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the birth certificates (short form and long form) to Obama and that ALL the facts on the image that the White House has put online are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.

Birthers have not even shown the date on which Obama's mother's passport file was created (and if it was created after 1961, she did not have a passport in 1961). The date on which Obama's mother's passport file was created is unlikely to have been lost, evaporated, or scratched off of the file (and if it were, they could tell us if that had indeed happened). But birther sites have not even told us this date. And they LIED by saying that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She actually said repeatedly that he was born in HAWAII, but they just cut off the tape just before she was asked "Where was he born?")

Yet, the birther sites that have not shown that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961 and do not show the date on which Obama's mother's passport file was created still want us to assume that she had a passport, and that she traveled to a foreign country despite the risk of stillbirth, and that the Hawaii birth certificate and the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about his place of birth.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169369 Aug 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha ha ha.
Just keep changing the subject, loser.
Got Alzheimer's? Your point was the "flaw" in the current system whereby "someone" must make the copy.
Now please tell the class of a state DoH in this country that doesn't have "someone" make a certified copy to fulfill a request. Whether a certified copy was made in 1900, 1961, or 2013,---->someone<--- at DoH makes the certified copy.
Duh!
BTW, the original is never shown. It is kept at DoH, and DoH has verified every piece of data concerning birth facts to the Arizona Secretary of State and to a Federal Court. That is the highest level of proof legally available: confirmation right from the horses mouth.
Nevertheless, hard copy certified documents have been shown. More than once.
The only that has not yet been proven is exactly how dumb and how low birfoons can sink.
<quoted text>
Once again, you miss the most basic of points. Do you know how the process works today? See, someone (?) must look up the information, then enter it onto a blank form and print it out. That, in no way, proves a damn thing. The way it used to be was much, much more secure. Grab original and copy, no scan involved. It's pretty hard to doctor a photocopy. Someone "says" doesn't prove anything. Fact is, we have not seen the man's original birth certificate. Period. DABytch
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169370 Aug 28, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>In the 2012 election,250 million United States citizens did not vote for Obama.
Well, yes, but you fail to mention that 25.9% of the US population is under the age of 18.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#169371 Aug 28, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
He certainly didn't vote for Romney, as 69 million others did not. LMAO (LRS tm reg,d). Oh, what'd you do with those dancing shoes? Keeping them for your President Canadian/Cuban/American Cruz dance?
In the 2012 election, 60,933,500 voters cast their vote for Romney and he won the electoral ballots from 24 states. You act like those 60,933,500 peoples votes don't count and that they should be considered second class citizens because they couldn't convince 5 million people to vote the correct ballot,they preferred to set a home rather than do the right thing. I doubt that they will do that in 2016. I will continue to vote for our country, no matter who ends up on the ballot. I understand that there will still be people that will continue to vote to destroy our country,but I hope they never win.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169372 Aug 28, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>In the 2012 election,250 million United States citizens did not vote for Obama.
True, and for 2 reasons. Some were not of voting age, and idiots just did not vote. But, if you extrapolate the winning margin of 53 to 47%, and had everyone vote, you'd get 164 million votes for Obama and 135 million for Romeny. Indeed, one must ascertain the same percentage for the population as for the actual vote, no? Never thought of that, I bet.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169373 Aug 28, 2013
Nor have we seen any original documents of his "supposed" education! To buy into something, such as this, exposes your gullible nature. You're willing to take the man's word, unquestioned. I'm not. You'd be laughed out of any serious business meeting with that line of thinking. I think the Office of President deserves much more scrutiny. I believe you mentioned "dumb" in your post. Well, you just provided the perfect example. Thanks. LMAO!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169374 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, you miss the most basic of points. Do you know how the process works today? See, someone (?) must look up the information, then enter it onto a blank form and print it out. That, in no way, proves a damn thing. The way it used to be was much, much more secure. Grab original and copy, no scan involved. It's pretty hard to doctor a photocopy. Someone "says" doesn't prove anything. Fact is, we have not seen the man's original birth certificate. Period. DABytch
Originals stay in files. States send out official copies. THEY are the legal birth certificate, not the ones in the files.

Oh, and BTW, Mitt Romney's Michigan birth certificate is only a short-form computer generated copy of the original in the files.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169375 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Nor have we seen any original documents of his "supposed" education! To buy into something, such as this, exposes your gullible nature. You're willing to take the man's word, unquestioned. I'm not. You'd be laughed out of any serious business meeting with that line of thinking. I think the Office of President deserves much more scrutiny. I believe you mentioned "dumb" in your post. Well, you just provided the perfect example. Thanks. LMAO!
Re: "Nor have we seen any original documents of his "supposed" education! "

Nor did we see any original documents of the "supposed education" of Mitt Romney or John McCain or for that matter Clinton or Bush41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon or LBJ or JFK, Etc.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169376 Aug 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha ha ha.
Just keep changing the subject, loser.
Got Alzheimer's? Your point was the "flaw" in the current system whereby "someone" must make the copy.
Now please tell the class of a state DoH in this country that doesn't have "someone" make a certified copy to fulfill a request. Whether a certified copy was made in 1900, 1961, or 2013,---->someone<--- at DoH makes the certified copy.
Duh!
BTW, the original is never shown. It is kept at DoH, and DoH has verified every piece of data concerning birth facts to the Arizona Secretary of State and to a Federal Court. That is the highest level of proof legally available: confirmation right from the horses mouth.
Nevertheless, hard copy certified documents have been shown. More than once.
The only that has not yet been proven is exactly how dumb and how low birfoons can sink.
<quoted text>
Sorry Twinkers! LMAO!

http://www.westernjournalism.com/hawaii-senio...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169377 Aug 28, 2013
But hey, if you gum-flappers wish to continue to be conned, have at it! I choose not to.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169378 Aug 28, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: "Nor have we seen any original documents of his "supposed" education! "
Nor did we see any original documents of the "supposed education" of Mitt Romney or John McCain or for that matter Clinton or Bush41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon or LBJ or JFK, Etc.
And do you think any of them would have had a problem with showing them, if asked by the people? I don't. But Barry sure does.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#169379 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Twinkers! LMAO!

http://www.westernjournalism.com/hawaii-senio...
Gee. You demoted your source after only 24 hours? And still no sworn statement. His "masters thesis"? OReaLY?

"..in my professional opinion, Barack Obama was NOT (emphasis added) born in the United States, and there is no Hawaii long-form birth certificate."

Wow - the "professional" opinion of a clerk that had no access to birth records. Well that certainly proves .. how desperate you are
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169380 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Twinkers! LMAO!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/hawaii-senio...
Tim Adams, like other birthers, is LYING. He claims that others in the Election Commission told him that there are no birth certificate records, but no one has confirmed and the government of Hawaii has denied that the Election Commission even had access to the birth certificate records.

The claim of one person who hates Obama is not evidence.

The birth certificates themselves (short form and long form) are evidence, as is the repeated confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH in 1961 (and only the DOH could send notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, and it only did so for births in Hawaii), and there is even confirming evidence from the teacher who wrote home after being told "Stanley" had a baby (and her father's name really was Stanley, so it would be a difficult lie to manufacture). There are even confirmations from Kapiolani Hospital, which birther sites have not shown you.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1971], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

Oh, and birthers have not even shown that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961, and very few 18-year-olds did.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169381 Aug 28, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee. You demoted your source after only 24 hours? And still no sworn statement. His "masters thesis"? OReaLY?
"..in my professional opinion, Barack Obama was NOT (emphasis added) born in the United States, and there is no Hawaii long-form birth certificate."
Wow - the "professional" opinion of a clerk that had no access to birth records. Well that certainly proves .. how desperate you are
Hey Twink, what's up? I didn't make the man say any of that. I suggest you talk to him. Merely a suggestion. LOL You gum-flappers enjoy getting conned again, ya hear? LMAO!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169382 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
And do you think any of them would have had a problem with showing them, if asked by the people? I don't. But Barry sure does.
What people? YOU? Well, you are not exactly the 65.9 million people who voted for Obama. Just because YOU want it does not mean that Obama has to break the precedent of all the other presidents and show his college grades. You do not think that his grades were good? Well, tough on you. Who cares what you think? Harvard Law School says that Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude. You do not believe Harvard Law School and say that Obama should still release his grades? Well, too bad for you. He doesn't have to, and he won't. Why should he---just because YOU don't believe Harvard Law School?

IF Mitt Romney and John McCain had shown their grades, Obama would have been forced to do the same thing. They chose not to do so, which is their right, and it is Obama's right also.

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#169383 Aug 28, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama was born August 4,1961,he would have had to have been conceived December 4,1960.
Where in the world do you get that date from? Just because he was born on Aug 4 1961 you have no idea when he was conceived on,.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169384 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Twinkers! LMAO!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/hawaii-senio...
Re: The reference to "Hawaii Senior Elections Clerk:“Barack Obama Was Not Born In Hawaii”

Answer: Tim Adams, like many birthers, is a LIAR. The birth certificate of Hawaii and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that Obama was born in Hawaii. Adams, like the birther sites that said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (when she said repeatedly that he was born in HAWAII, and they simply did not quote her), is LYING.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#169385 Aug 28, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Twink, what's up? I didn't make the man say any of that. I suggest you talk to him. Merely a suggestion. LOL You gum-flappers enjoy getting conned again, ya hear? LMAO!!!
You're the one that cites him in support of your fable. His shortcomings aren't my problem - just the source of my amusement with your desperation

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