BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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What? Another carrier deployed? This one to Haiti in 2010? Didn't these silly Italians know that they were supposed to rely on Jercque's knowledge before venturing so far from home?

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<quoted text>That's it? So birther-like defeated response. Thank you. Now, was that so hard? But I'm not rejoicing, as it was so easy.
Still no source for your fable other than your "expertise"? So very Rouge of you
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Please define "Birther Expert.
Would that include, Law Enforcement officers, and Forensic document examiners that used to work for the Law firm that Obama employed?
Yep, I'm SMEllen1!
Re; "Would that include, Law Enforcement officers, and Forensic document examiners that used to work for the Law firm that Obama employed?"

If you are referring to Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse, yes. The answer is YES. They are not impartial, and they are MAINLY using the WND "experts." (Including Paul Irey, who insists that Obama did not go to Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying repeatedly that Obama did go and that he graduated. I wonder who fair and impartial Irey is?) And including Doug Vogt, who claims to have found "the original Altar of Abraham." but naturally has never shown it.(I wonder how rational he is?)

The one exception you mention is Reed Hayes, who is a document expert with credentials. However, Zullo and the Cold Case Posse have not told you that he is a HANDWRITING EXPERT, not an expert on digital documents. And there is no evidence that he is fair and impartial either. And, worse, Reed Hayes had a 40-page report on the matter, but the Cold Case Posse did not publish it. I wonder why not? Could it be that it did not say what they claim that Reed Hayes, the HANDWRITING EXPERT, said?

And, worse for you by far, birther sites simply have not shown you all these experts (I wonder why not? Don't they think that birther zealots are capable of dealing with experts who disagree with the claim that the birth certificate is forged?):

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
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Continuing with the reply to "truth Detector."

Also, a proof that Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate:

Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

Further to: "Would that include, Law Enforcement officers.."

Here is what the National Review says about Sheriff Joe, Zullo and the Cold Case Posse:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780...
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P.S.: Only the US and France have working carriers. Well except for all those other countries that have them, but they aren't as nice as those US carriers so I have declared that they don't count. And they never really go anywhere except for those times when they do .... And sure India just launched a brand new one but can you imagine how poorly equipped it must be?
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Who said this?

"The use of chemical weapons would be a game changer"
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No story is more nutty than the "born in Kenya" story. Did you know that the INS report for fiscal 1961 shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 and that all but one of them came by sea (by ship) and that there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii or vice versa in 1961?
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol
That in addition to the birth certificate (short form and long form,Index Data, repeated confirmations and birth notices in the papers.
Why has Obama used extreme measures to keep his birth certificate secret and to make up lies about his past?
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No story is more nutty than the "born in Kenya" story. Did you know that the INS report for fiscal 1961 shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 and that all but one of them came by sea (by ship) and that there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii or vice versa in 1961?
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol
That in addition to the birth certificate (short form and long form,Index Data, repeated confirmations and birth notices in the papers.
If Obama was born August 4,1961,he would have had to have been conceived December 4,1960.

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Makes perfect sense, Twinkerbelle! Born in Kenya as a Brit, records were/are in the BNA. Perfect sense. But since Hillary's visit, those records are now "off limits". Just like all his records. The marriage of Sr. and Dunham was nothing more than a sham. That is, if there was a marriage at all. Sorry Twinkerbelle. Be a fool, makes no difference to me.
Sorry, there is no BNA record or any other legitimate record connecting Barack H. Obama II to birth in Kenya. Never was. What is off limits is common sense in Birfoonistan.

BTW, an article that says "someone" went to BNA and found a record is a joke. And the fantasy record is "off limits" because it only existed in the minds of gullible birfoons. If there were such a record, it couldn't be simply declared "off limits" in violation of British law. Only in Birfoon fable is that possible.

Whether there was a marriage is immaterial. We know who the mother was and we know the birth was at Kapiolani, delivery by David A. Sinclair, M.D., as verified by the State of Hawaii. We also know there was no possible motive for faking press announcements in 1961 because a child born to a US citizen mother beyond the jurisdiction of the US would have been eligible for pro forma naturalization at the very least.

The facts are Ann Dunham was a student at U of H, was a resident of Honolulu, was a US citizen, was pregnant and had a child. The records unequivocally list Barack Hussein Obama II as the child born August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Gynecological and Maternity Hospital. The Department of Health reported the birth, as they did with all hospital births, to the newspapers. There could be no motive to smuggle a foreign born child back into the US unless three wise men showed up at the fabled birth hut in Kenya and informed momma that he would some day be President of the United States.

Grow up!
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Lots of crazy. It simply does not withstand scrutiny.

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<quoted text>If Obama was born August 4,1961,he would have had to have been conceived December 4,1960.
When his mother was a 17 y/o high school student! Can you say "tramp"?
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Who said this?
"The use of chemical weapons would be a game changer"
It is depends on what the definition of chemical weapons is! You see, burning gun power is a chemical reaction and there for any firearm is a chemical weapon.
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Sorry, there is no BNA record or any other legitimate record connecting Barack H. Obama II to birth in Kenya. Never was. What is off limits is common sense in Birfoonistan.
BTW, an article that says "someone" went to BNA and found a record is a joke. And the fantasy record is "off limits" because it only existed in the minds of gullible birfoons. If there were such a record, it couldn't be simply declared "off limits" in violation of British law. Only in Birfoon fable is that possible.
Whether there was a marriage is immaterial. We know who the mother was and we know the birth was at Kapiolani, delivery by David A. Sinclair, M.D., as verified by the State of Hawaii. We also know there was no possible motive for faking press announcements in 1961 because a child born to a US citizen mother beyond the jurisdiction of the US would have been eligible for pro forma naturalization at the very least.
The facts are Ann Dunham was a student at U of H, was a resident of Honolulu, was a US citizen, was pregnant and had a child. The records unequivocally list Barack Hussein Obama II as the child born August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Gynecological and Maternity Hospital. The Department of Health reported the birth, as they did with all hospital births, to the newspapers. There could be no motive to smuggle a foreign born child back into the US unless three wise men showed up at the fabled birth hut in Kenya and informed momma that he would some day be President of the United States.
Grow up!
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As I said Twinkerbelle, be a fool all you want. Makes no difference to me. Not one legitimate BC has been shown. It's all BS. Make no mistake about it. Obobblehead is a fraud. Plain and simple. I even think Obobblehead's marriage is a sham. It's only to project an image. Nothing more. Wise up!
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Come back when you have some common sense, Twinkerbelle. Saving up some more "seed" money? LMAO!

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As I said Twinkerbelle, be a fool all you want. Makes no difference to me. Not one legitimate BC has been shown. It's all BS. Make no mistake about it. Obobblehead is a fraud. Plain and simple. I even think Obobblehead's marriage is a sham. It's only to project an image. Nothing more. Wise up!
LOl, I love all the documentation experts on the internet!

How's that birther movement going these days anyhow?

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Yep, Japan's new "flat-top destroyer" about twice the size of the Frenchy babe carrier.
Is it plying the seas yet? Is it nuclear? What other type of aircraft does it carry apart from helicopters? And do you think I'm French and that by downplaying their carrier you're getting back at me? You're as French as I am, Nadeau, so you're doing it to you too.

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The teeth part was a J O K E !!!
The United Nations approved of the invasion in 1992 as did our Congress!!! In 1992 we had the Battle to free Kuwait and in 2002 the Battle to get Saddamn!
Hey, Mr. Liars, third or fourth time now, the 2033 INVASION, not the Gulf War. The approval of the Iraq invasion, NOT 1992. Do you realise how foolish you look?

As to the missing teeth, you HAD said the Obama part was a joke, albeit a juvenile stupid gross vulgar bad joke. And total disrespect for your president and its institution. But, both for the King AND Obama, you just told the anecdotes matter-of-factly, never said it was a joke.

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Ya know, a hundred years ago Argentina was one of the great counties of the world. And then came socialism!!!
Perón created a political movement known as Peronism. He nationalized strategic industries and services, improved wages and working conditions, paid the full external debt and achieved nearly full employment. The economy, however, began to decline in 1950 because of over-expenditure. His wife Eva Perón was highly popular and played a central political role, mostly through the Eva Perón Foundation, where she developed an unprecedented social assistance to the most vulnerable sectors of society in Argentina. Women's suffrage was granted in 1947.[44] However, her declining health did not allow her to run for the vice-presidency in 1951, and she died of cancer the following year. The navy began to plot against Perón in 1955, and bombed the Plaza de Mayo in an ill-fated attempt to kill him. A few months later, Perón resigned during an army coup, which established the Liberating Revolution. Perón left the country, and finally settled in Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina
Are you mad? All of the above is false, all of it. Peron took off with a boatload AND a cargo plane to Spain carrying ALL of Argentina's gold bullion, the whole central bank. My god, you have no idea what you are talking about. And Peron, a socialist in the Mussolini mode, nationalized what he should not have nationalized and brought Argentina from its economic height to the ruination we know today. Ever been there, ever studied its recent 75-yr history?

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What? Another carrier deployed? This one to Haiti in 2010? Didn't these silly Italians know that they were supposed to rely on Jercque's knowledge before venturing so far from home?
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/num/
Yes, with their 10,000 gross ton floating houseboat. Please stop ridiculing yourself, it hurts me to witness it.
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As I said Twinkerbelle, be a fool all you want. Makes no difference to me. Not one legitimate BC has been shown. It's all BS. Make no mistake about it. Obobblehead is a fraud. Plain and simple. I even think Obobblehead's marriage is a sham. It's only to project an image. Nothing more. Wise up!
Birthers have not even shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did in those days), and yet they would like the world to believe that there is a realistic chance that she had a passport, and traveled using it during the last two months of pregnancy (which would have been even more rare due to the rate of stillbirths at the time).

Birthers have not even shown the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created (and if it was created after 1961, she did not have a passport in 1961). And, the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created is unlikely to have been lost, evaporated, or scratched off of the file (and if it were, they could tell us if that had indeed happened). But birther sites have not even told us that date.

And they LIED by saying that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She actually said repeatedly that he was born in HAWAII, but they just cut off the tape just before she was asked “Where was he born?”)

Yet, the birther sites that have not shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 and do not show the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created AND lied about Obama’s Kenyan grandmother saying he was born in Kenya still want us to assume that she had a passport, and that she traveled to a foreign country despite the risk of stillbirth, and that the birther “experts” are telling the truth about their claim that the birth certificate is forged (although the birther sites simply do not show the numerous real experts who say that it was not forged).

AND they want us to believe that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about his place of birth, and so is the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers—which at the time could only have been sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, which at the time only sent out those notices for births IN Hawaii. No wonder rational people do not believe them.
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Is it plying the seas yet? Is it nuclear? What other type of aircraft does it carry apart from helicopters? And do you think I'm French and that by downplaying their carrier you're getting back at me? You're as French as I am, Nadeau, so you're doing it to you too.
I am French only in name. I am 100% AMERICAN.
Oh, the Japanese "flat-top destroyer could take jump jets like the AV-8 Harrier or the newer F-35B Lightning.

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