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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#169040 Aug 26, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
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Job could be you or me, or anyone with a lost loved one, financial ruin, etc. etc. etc. and was restored back to life.
I look at the scriptures with positivity not negativity.
The Bible pulsates with life and is not a dead book.
The nice little ending to Job was added by another author after the story was first written. It was too much for them to take.

Sorry.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#169041 Aug 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>Poor you.

The only carrier the Russians have is an old converted cruiser with an angled deck for Harrier-type jump jets and helicopters. It never strays far from its home base as it is unreliable.

The Chinese have one aircraft carrier. It is still not operational.

As to the UK, your reference is old. The UK decommissioned its last carrier last year and mothballed the only aircraft able to operate from its deck, the Harrier. The UK does not foresee having another carrier until, at the earliest, 2020.

France ahs one nuclear operational aircraft carrier. I already wrote that.

Italy's and Spain's and India's carriers are conventional oil-burning dinosaurs and cannot operate far from their home bases. Most of those carriers are hardly ever operating in the high seas. Too expensive and where the hell are they gonna operate?

Brazil has the former Clemenceau, what a joke. Like Argentina had the cruiser Belgrano from Italy.

You should rely less on internet sites, L to R and more on my knowledge of these matters. Your ignorance shines brighter than ever.

Do a search on each carrier, come back and tell me if I'm right or wrong.
You're pathetic and illiterate.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#169042 Aug 26, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
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It was Paul Simon who introduced some of the African greats to America.
Naturally people in music already knew them from the Jazz world.
You and Jacques are like two peas in a pod blaming God instead of satan, or at least just blame it on being human and the natural order of things.
Okay then, you should have no problem naming those "African greats"!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#169043 Aug 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Obama has often repeated that the US is no longer the world's policeman. Many on both sides agree with him and this is why he is not moving on Syria. That would be a huge, huge mistake. He knows it, his advisors know it, even the war-loving right wing republicans are keeping quiet on Syria, longing to blame Obama for not acting, but, even better, to blame him should he decide to intervene.
Again, it does not matter what Obama says because he always lies. It is what he does and it is a fact that he has ordered the deployment of FOUR war ships to the waters off of Syria!
I do agree with you that this is not out fight. It is a civil war and we need to but out and it does not matter how many of their own people they kill. Civil wars are the most ruthless wars.
And the way I look at it, the more Muslims that are killed by other Muslims, is not a bad thing! Allah will figure out the good from the bad.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169044 Aug 26, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
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At that time all were pagans and did not believe in the ONE True GOD.
A priest can be considered a satanic warlock?
Aarons sons were evil.
The story of Job is a lesson in perseverance and strength with Gods help to get through the trials and tribulations we all have from time to time.
The devil is on earth when GOD tossed him out of Heaven for being disobedient.
1 Peter 5:8
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
Job could be you or me, or anyone with a lost loved one, financial ruin, etc. etc. etc. and was restored back to life.
I look at the scriptures with positivity not negativity.
The Bible pulsates with life and is not a dead book.
God's and Lucifer's wager. Job had all restored, double, even. What about his family and servants? Mere pawns?

Pagans should be killed? Have you done your sacred duty today? Many of them around, you know. Incidentally, as far as I know. the Canaanites had not been told of the ONE true God. And had they been told of the ONE true God, how could the babies and children who were also massacred TO THE LAST ONE even know and understand this? No negative in that, I suppose. Oh, and Joshua was trying to impose what was at that time a minor religion on the majority? Not really, as the Hebrews did not accept converts. They alone were the anointed ones, no? Even today, not easy to convert to Judaism. Best to have a Jewish mother somewhere in the gene pool.

Finally, you wrote "Aarons sons were evil." Who says and what were their evil ways?

Why did Moses spare his brother Aaron when he killed those 4,000 gold calf adorators? After all, Aaron had organised the fashioning of the calf, no? Why did Moses spare him? Another trick question for you. The calf adorators, including Aaron, were violating the 1st Commandment. Er, Moses blasphemously broke the two tablets before the 4,000 poor bastards got a look at them, most notably the famous 1st Commandment they were violating, how could they know they could only have one God and , moreover, that this one God was a jealous God, thereby sinning Himself as jealousy, or envy, is one of the seven deadly sins. Then Moses, who KNEW the 10 Commandments as Cecil B De Mille read them to him, killed 4,000 of his own people, thereby violating the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" (number 6). No negativity in the Bible, no sir.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169045 Aug 26, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
George W. Guilty of Murder?( The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder )/ by Vincent Bugliosi /
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =jRlJk1qhWVwXX&eurl=http:/ /netctr.com/iraqwar.html
Thanks for confirming all that I wrote on aircraft carriers, specially the Italian one. 10,000 tons? LMAO (your friend LRS tm reg'd). USS Eisenhower : 100,000 tons. A few jump jets, ha ha. Now THAT's an aircraft carrier.

Laughable excerpt of you link .Did you learn to sink your own self from Communist Lady, Rogue, Frank, GB KFC or LRS?

Giuseppe Garibaldi Portaeromobili

The Garibaldi was the world's smallest aircraft carrier, with a 10,000 ton standard displacement. Commissioned in 1985, the aircraft carrying cruiser "Giuseppe Garibaldi" was designed to be the Fleet Flagship and to match the following requiremems: an high platform stability in any sea state, capabiliry to carry a large amount of weapons and materials, rooms and spacing for housing a relevant air squadron. The project was developed starting from the evaluation of the foreseeable employement conditions (Mediterranean Sea and adjacent regions), resulting in a small-displacement vessel.

The ship Giuseppe Garibaldi has external lines typical of a traditional aircraft carrier and its construction came from the Navy's need to have a unit of anti-aircraft, anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare, with the ability to operate a considerable number of suitable aircraft to achieve even very distant from the normal base of operations. The unit is then designed to be able not only to develop and complete a naval training, also to be able to exercise the functions of central command, coordination and control of naval training.

The Giuseppe Garibaldi is able to house up to 18 heavy helicopters or an air squadron of 16 vertical or short take off and landing (VSTOL) aircraft, or a combination of helos and STO/VL required for mission tasks. The ship can accommodate up to eighteen helicopters, for example the Agusta Sikorsky SH-3D Sea King or the Agusta Bell AB212. Alternatively the ship can accommodate 16 AV-8B Harrier II aircraft armed with the Maverick air to surface missile and the AMRAAM AIM-120 air to air missiles. Helicopters are mainly utilized in anti-submarines tasks, while HARRIER II AV-8 PLUS aircrafts' operational abilities ensure effectiveness in ASUW and AAW

'NUFF SAID
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169046 Aug 26, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Lots of crazy. It simply does not withstand scrutiny.
Makes perfect sense, Twinkerbelle! Born in Kenya as a Brit, records were/are in the BNA. Perfect sense. But since Hillary's visit, those records are now "off limits". Just like all his records. The marriage of Sr. and Dunham was nothing more than a sham. That is, if there was a marriage at all. Sorry Twinkerbelle. Be a fool, makes no difference to me.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169047 Aug 26, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Okay then, you should have no problem naming those "African greats"!
If he does not name them, I will. So easy.

Meantime, still waiting for that Russian-German-UN reference on their approval of the Iraqi invasion and the proof that King Louis XIV, or it is XVI, had his concubines' teeth removed for safe bjs and occasionally had some killed.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#169048 Aug 26, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
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You're pathetic and illiterate.
That's it? So birther-like defeated response. Thank you. Now, was that so hard? But I'm not rejoicing, as it was so easy.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169049 Aug 26, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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Keep moving Mr. Liars, nothing to see here and it certainly has nothing to do with Obama’s Hawaiian birth.
There is however a slight discrepancy on Rafael’s BC. I can’t seem to find Ted anywhere on it.
Sorry poops, I think you're 100% incorrect. He has no Hawaiian BC. Except for a CGI, that is.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#169050 Aug 26, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
More facts to make Jerques' head explode
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/...
What? An Italian carrier deployed to Libya in 2011? How can that be? 2011 is not even close to 30 years ago
Yep, Japan's new "flat-top destroyer" about twice the size of the Frenchy babe carrier.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#169051 Aug 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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If he does not name them, I will. So easy.
Meantime, still waiting for that Russian-German-UN reference on their approval of the Iraqi invasion and the proof that King Louis XIV, or it is XVI, had his concubines' teeth removed for safe bjs and occasionally had some killed.
The teeth part was a J O K E !!!
The United Nations approved of the invasion in 1992 as did our Congress!!! In 1992 we had the Battle to free Kuwait and in 2002 the Battle to get Saddamn!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169052 Aug 26, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Makes perfect sense, Twinkerbelle! Born in Kenya as a Brit, records were/are in the BNA. Perfect sense. But since Hillary's visit, those records are now "off limits". Just like all his records. The marriage of Sr. and Dunham was nothing more than a sham. That is, if there was a marriage at all. Sorry Twinkerbelle. Be a fool, makes no difference to me.
No story is more nutty than the "born in Kenya" story. Did you know that the INS report for fiscal 1961 shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 and that all but one of them came by sea (by ship) and that there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii or vice versa in 1961?

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

That in addition to the birth certificate (short form and long form,Index Data, repeated confirmations and birth notices in the papers.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#169053 Aug 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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That's it? So birther-like defeated response. Thank you. Now, was that so hard? But I'm not rejoicing, as it was so easy.
You and Twinkerbelle are related, aren't you?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#169054 Aug 26, 2013
Ya know, a hundred years ago Argentina was one of the great counties of the world. And then came socialism!!!

Perón created a political movement known as Peronism. He nationalized strategic industries and services, improved wages and working conditions, paid the full external debt and achieved nearly full employment. The economy, however, began to decline in 1950 because of over-expenditure. His wife Eva Perón was highly popular and played a central political role, mostly through the Eva Perón Foundation, where she developed an unprecedented social assistance to the most vulnerable sectors of society in Argentina. Women's suffrage was granted in 1947.[44] However, her declining health did not allow her to run for the vice-presidency in 1951, and she died of cancer the following year. The navy began to plot against Perón in 1955, and bombed the Plaza de Mayo in an ill-fated attempt to kill him. A few months later, Perón resigned during an army coup, which established the Liberating Revolution. Perón left the country, and finally settled in Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#169055 Aug 26, 2013
In 1940, Argentina's navy was ranked the eighth most powerful in the world (after the European powers, Japan, and the United States) and the largest in Latin America. A ten-year building programme costing $60 million had produced a force of 14,500 sailors and over a thousand officers. The fleet in 1940 included two First World War-era (but modernized) American-built Rivadavia-class battleships, three modern cruisers, a dozen British-built destroyers, and three submarines in addition to minelayers, minesweepers, coastal defence ships, and gunboats. A naval air force was also in operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Navy
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#169059 Aug 26, 2013
What? Another carrier deployed? This one to Haiti in 2010? Didn't these silly Italians know that they were supposed to rely on Jercque's knowledge before venturing so far from home?

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/num/
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#169060 Aug 26, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>That's it? So birther-like defeated response. Thank you. Now, was that so hard? But I'm not rejoicing, as it was so easy.
Still no source for your fable other than your "expertise"? So very Rouge of you
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169061 Aug 26, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
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Please define "Birther Expert.
Would that include, Law Enforcement officers, and Forensic document examiners that used to work for the Law firm that Obama employed?
Yep, I'm SMEllen1!
Re; "Would that include, Law Enforcement officers, and Forensic document examiners that used to work for the Law firm that Obama employed?"

If you are referring to Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse, yes. The answer is YES. They are not impartial, and they are MAINLY using the WND "experts." (Including Paul Irey, who insists that Obama did not go to Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying repeatedly that Obama did go and that he graduated. I wonder who fair and impartial Irey is?) And including Doug Vogt, who claims to have found "the original Altar of Abraham." but naturally has never shown it.(I wonder how rational he is?)

The one exception you mention is Reed Hayes, who is a document expert with credentials. However, Zullo and the Cold Case Posse have not told you that he is a HANDWRITING EXPERT, not an expert on digital documents. And there is no evidence that he is fair and impartial either. And, worse, Reed Hayes had a 40-page report on the matter, but the Cold Case Posse did not publish it. I wonder why not? Could it be that it did not say what they claim that Reed Hayes, the HANDWRITING EXPERT, said?

And, worse for you by far, birther sites simply have not shown you all these experts (I wonder why not? Don't they think that birther zealots are capable of dealing with experts who disagree with the claim that the birth certificate is forged?):

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#169062 Aug 26, 2013
Continuing with the reply to "truth Detector."

Also, a proof that Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate:

Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

Further to: "Would that include, Law Enforcement officers.."

Here is what the National Review says about Sheriff Joe, Zullo and the Cold Case Posse:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780...

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