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Aug 21, 2013
 
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>The thread will note that you were the first Rogue.

The question however if the story is correctly told will be why and it will have nothing to do with how light his skin is.
The tint of his skin will ALWAYS matter to Rouge. That and the phallus are his two obsessions

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I don't know and I don't care. But it will enter the world market whether or not it is refined in the U.S. or some other place.
Now that I have answered YOUR question, answer mine. What make oil tar sands anymore dirty than any other crude oil? The last time you said it was "gooey" but gooey does not mean it is dirty.
Oh, if it was not for Canada's oil exports, Canada would become another third world country!
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Yes, your link does work but who wrote it? Surface Rights Group, Alberta? I looked at their home page and they are anti-everything.
Are they factual? I don't know. Would you happen to have another source like from your federal government?
Good, oil contributes to 7% of you GDP but what does it contribute to your trade balance? Countries that import most or all of their oil are the poorest counties on this Earth.
Canada exported $98B worth of petroleum in 2011.
http://www.indexmundi.com/trade/exports/...
Out of a total exports of $457B.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-...
And that means oil made up 21.4% of Canada's exports in 2011 which is THREE times what YOU claimed.
And that also would have meant that that would have lead from a small negative import imbalance to an extremely large one if you did not export any petroleum and had to import 100% of your needs.
And yes, when I asked you what was so bad about tar sand petroleum you said it was "gooey"!
Now, prove that 100% of that oil, exported to the U.S., will be further exported out of the United States!
Full of holes is what your post is. But then what else is new? Read this :

www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/01/25/pol...

(if link does not work, read this : I did not make it up):

Canada imports oil while battling over pipeline exports

CBC News

Posted: Jan 25, 2012 6:26 PM ET

Last Updated: Jan 25, 2012 8:34 PM ET

Play VideoCanada is one of the largest oil producers in the world but a complex business model means most oil used by Canadians comes from other countries Slick oil business2:21

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MAP | Canada's main pipeline networkNorthern Gateway pipeline: benefits vs. concerns TRANSCRIPT | Peter Mansbridge talks with Stephen Harper Radicals working against oil sands , Ottawa says LISTEN: The Current: Northen Gateway Pipeline

But the debates have also focused attention on how Canada uses the oil that it has.

Canada exports about two-thirds of its oil to the United States— while half of the oil used in Canada is imported from other countries.

Western Canada is self-sufficient, supplying its own oil before exporting the rest. But Eastern Canada relies on imported oil — despite the fact that some provinces are oil producers.

There are several offshore drilling operations in Newfoundland and Labrador, but none of the oil is actually used in Canada. The eastern provinces rely on an oil supply that's imported from Saudi Arabia, Africa and Venezuela.

So, Rogue, do your Canadian oil export figures include our import? Did you check it out? Is that a gross or net figure? Did you factor the imports of oil?

As to my link being biased, well, is saying Hitler was a criminal make me a biased Hitler hater?

1) do you deny that water tables are poisoned?
2) do you deny that tail ponds are deadly and not recyclable?
3) do you deny that huge amounts of HEATED water (how do you heat it?) are used to clean the sands - sands are returned clean as you state, but what about the water?
4) do you deny that the landscape is ravaged?
5) do you deny the noxious fumes emanating from the transformation of tar sands?
6) do you deny the environmental impact of burst pipelines carrying heavy oil tar sands? Have they lately happened? YES.

I never called the oil gooey. I don't write like that.

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YOU ask ME for more links? What nerve. Where are YOUR links I've been asking for numerous times. Your proof that Russia, Germany and the UN approved the Iraq invasion. Let's have it.

I don't need to prove that the XL pipeline will carry oil destined exclusively for export. It's all over the applications , and all media have reported it. But I will supply ample proof the moment you prove your Germany-Russia-UN assertion. Deal?

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Aug 21, 2013
 
Damn, my first part never appeared. Second time. Not doing it over again, no way, except to say, Rogue, that Canada also imports huge amounts of oil. Did your export figure take that into consideration. Was it net or just one way - out?

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Aug 21, 2013
 
Well, my post did come out, and my link works! Wow.

Russia-Grmany-UN proofs please. I think I've done my share of answering your spurious claims, Rogue.

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I don't think so, Path. He didn't sound like he was mocking anyone. Who said that was a "slip" by Biden? LMAO!!! "it must suck", "how it must suck", LMAO!!! What really sucks is being an outsider, like you! psychotwit
It’s a correspondence dinner Mr. Liars. The whole idea is to poke fun. Your clip comes less than two minutes into the president’s standup, but your deception is reminiscent of the McRae/granny Kenyan phone call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Incidentally, why is Rafael’s Canadian BC different from Obama’s Canadian BC? And who the hell is Ted?
http://rense.com/general82/pbb.htm

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For Rogue, excerpt from Wikipedia :

Geopolitical issues[edit source]

Proponents for the Keystone XL pipeline argue that it would allow the U.S. to increase its energy security and reduce its dependence on foreign oil.[79][80] TransCanada CEO Russ Girling has argued that "the U.S. needs 10 million barrels a day of imported oil" and the debate over the proposed pipeline "is not a debate of oil versus alternative energy. This is a debate about whether you want to get your oil from Canada or Venezuela or Nigeria."[81] However, an independent study conducted by the Cornell ILR Global Labor Institute refers to some studies (e.g. a 2011 study by Danielle Droitsch of Pembina Institute) according to which "a good portion of the oil that will gush down the KXL will probably end up being finally consumed beyond the territorial United States". It also states that the project will increase the heavy crude oil price in the Midwestern United States by diverting oil sands oil from the Midwest refineries to the Gulf Coast and export markets.[23]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline&#... ;

Hope it works. If not, you have the address, just go to it.
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Aug 21, 2013
 
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>ItÂ’s a correspondence dinner Mr. Liars. The whole idea is to poke fun. Your clip comes less than two minutes into the presidentÂ’s standup, but your deception is reminiscent of the McRae/granny Kenyan phone call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Incidentally, why is RafaelÂ’s Canadian BC different from ObamaÂ’s Canadian BC? And who the hell is Ted?
http://rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
That Canadian BC paper appears to be in excellent shape. Given Mr Cruz's age I think we can safely proclaim it a poor attempt at a forgery.(I'm sure we'll learn that his Mom fled to her husband's Cuban homeland to have her child, but that her parents registered his birth in Canada in the hopes that he'd grow up to play hockey)

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Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Our forefathers were very insightful when they wrote The Constitution. The knew that there was a possibility that someone with out allegiance to our country could assume a position as important an President of the United States,and could destroy our country from with in. Our founders adapted safeguards to insure that our country could survive corrupt and inefficient politicians,but with the help of bureaucrats and an ill informed voting base,Obama has been able to supersede those measures.
Yeah yeah Frank, but who the hell is Ted and why is he showing us Rafael’s birth certificate?
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<quoted text>Yeah yeah Frank, but who the hell is Ted and why is he showing us RafaelÂ’s birth certificate?
To disprove those nasty rumors that his middle name is really Fidel?

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Aug 21, 2013
 
Another loony-lefty Climate Change report by ..... Live Science filled with anecdotal evidence to PROVE Climate Change (Global Warming. And here is just one example:
"Over the past century, water levels have risen along the California coast by an average of 7 inches (18 centimeters), and levels have risen by 8 inches (20 centimeters) at the Golden Gate;"
Ah, have you ever heard of the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906? They assume that everything they find is some how connected to Global Warming when it has simple explanations like the Urban Heat Island Effect.
Sad, very sad. And what is rally sad is the Chicken Littles who are running around like their heads just got cut off!
http://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-arrived-...
Again, at the end of the Medieval Warm Period our Southwest went into a drought! Get over it and learn to like on a cup of water per day!

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Full of holes is what your post is. But then what else is new? Read this :
www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/01/25/pol...
(if link does not work, read this : I did not make it up):
Canada imports oil while battling over pipeline exports
Yes, I can read .... and understand what I read. Something you seem unable to do. This is taken from YOUR link. What does it mean to YOU?
"Oil sent to U.S. for processing
Ontario's oil comes from Western Canada, but it is sent first to the United States to be refined before being delivered to the province."

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Play VideoCanada is one of the largest oil producers in the world but a complex business model means most oil used by Canadians comes from other countries Slick oil business2:21
Next, who in the heck is "Play VedeoCanada"? You seem to think they are "one of the largest oil producers in the world" but I can not seem to find any company by that name!
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In the early 2000's, this changed to a computerized system. The data on the original paper documents was entered into the electronic system and the papers were archived in long-term storage. After 2001, a clerk would go to the electronic system, check that the data was correct, produce a computer-printed form with the same info as the 1970's form, then stamp, seal, and send. THIS IS THE ONLY document that Hawaii now issues as their proof of birth in Hawaii. When you send in your $10, this is what you get. You can no longer get a certified copy of the original.

All three of these documents are the same thing. They are COPIES of what appears in the official files. All are stamped with a signature of the appropriate official, and sealed with a raised seal. Only the official original document filed with the Department of Health or Vital Records is a true birth certificate and that never leaves the department.

1. Not a certified copy
2. CLERK "verifies" information and "produces" a print out.
3. Original does exist.
4. Surely the president can acquire a copy of his original?
5. Too many chances for fraud with this method.

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Come to think of it. Indiana just issued me a new Driver's License. It looks much different than the first one that I was issued. Obviously I am the victim of fraud!
Ah, but they did not give you a copy of your old licence, did they? They gave you a new one. The copy of Obummer's birth certificate is NOT a copy of anything. It is a totally new image of something that does not exists out side of cyberspace. Again, show us another birth certificate that looks similar to his!!! Can't because there are none!

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Are you telling me that Alternative Energy is the answer?
Solar Power?
Wind Power?
Clean, clean, and more clean?
Drill Baby Drill is always on the wrong side of history that is why Fox News hired her.
You Betcha!
LOL
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Who Killed the Electric Car? New Documentary Looks at the Mysterious Disappearance of the EV-1/ http://tinyurl.com/ysmbvn April 13th, 2007
General Motors has been at the center of one of the nation's largest controversies over clean emissions-cars. In 1996 the company introduced the EV-1 electric car in California and Arizona. Hundreds of the electric cars were soon on the road. Then they all disappeared. The mystery behind their disappearance is the subject of the documentary “Who Killed the Electric Car?” We’re joined by the film’s director Chris Paine, and Chelsea Sexton, a former GM employee who worked on the EV-1 electric car.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl...
GREASECAR VEGETABLE FUEL SYSTEMS
http://tinyurl.com/6th4e
http://www.greasecar.com
THE GAS-GUZZLER LOBBY STOPS TIME
Is There a Model-T in Your Future?
http://tinyurl.com/yob53q
http://www.ww4report.com/node/4158
Airline Uses Biofuel Blend to Power Jet
1.07.2009 / http://www.cfmaeroengines.com/
http://www.cfmaeroengines.com/press/continent...
Well, have you ever flown in a solar powered car or airplane? How about a wind powered car or airplane. I have been in a wind powered boat. It is called a "sailboat". Can you tell us what was the largest sail powered ship ever built? You would nee thousands of them just to replace one 100,000 ton container ship.
Oh, to replace one class 8 tractor/semi-trailer you would also need about a thousand horse drawn Conestoga-type wagons. And then our roads would be full of horse sh*t!!!!
Oh, there is no such thing as a semi-truck. A semi-trailer is a trailer were the front part of the trailer is carried on the back of a tractor or truck.
And a truck can carry a load but itself so most vehicles that pull semi-trailers are .... highway tractors. A vehicle combination is called a "rig" such as a tractor/semi-trailer rig.
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In the early 2000's, this changed to a computerized system. The data on the original paper documents was entered into the electronic system and the papers were archived in long-term storage. After 2001, a clerk would go to the electronic system, check that the data was correct, produce a computer-printed form with the same info as the 1970's form, then stamp, seal, and send. THIS IS THE ONLY document that Hawaii now issues as their proof of birth in Hawaii. When you send in your $10, this is what you get. You can no longer get a certified copy of the original.
All three of these documents are the same thing. They are COPIES of what appears in the official files. All are stamped with a signature of the appropriate official, and sealed with a raised seal. Only the official original document filed with the Department of Health or Vital Records is a true birth certificate and that never leaves the department.
1. Not a certified copy
2. CLERK "verifies" information and "produces" a print out.
3. Original does exist.
4. Surely the president can acquire a copy of his original?
5. Too many chances for fraud with this method.
But why wood he want two dew that?
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<quoted text>Well, have you ever flown in a solar powered car or airplane? How about a wind powered car or airplane......
So tell us Rouge, how far can a solar powered car fly? What about wind powered one? Is it much less than one powered by fossil fuels?
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First of all Loose there was never a reason to question Obama’s birth place. Anyone with a miniscule of common sense should have known the moment Obama produced his “Official certified Hawaiian birth certificate” his POB had been established. I said that with my very first post on this thread.
Birfoon resistance to this simple fact especially in light of the fact that Hawaii state officials from both Political Parties have repeatedly verified the original document’s existence has been nothing short of astonishing.
So without a shred of evidence to the contrary other than wishful thinking the ignorant birfoon had the audacity to challenge “certified facts” with internet rumor, not once, but over 200 times when an ounce of common sense could have save them all that agony from the beginning.(And the birfoon wonders why he was laughed out of every court in the country)
It’s strange how they seem to get it with everyone else’s short form save Obama’s.
Most in the US have never seen a Canadian BC like Rafael’s but no doubt it will be accepted at face value with the wrong name, type written and all.
Rafael Cruz
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Ted_Cruz_Bi...
Barack Obama.
http://origin.factcheck.org/Images/image/birt...
Mitt Romney.
http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/u...
Donald Trump
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/don...
Why should any one believe anything about Obama. His whole life is full of lies and he can't open his mouth without telling lies.

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Another thing CBC News does not seem to understand that there is a difference between "crude oil" and things like "heating oil". This is from the link that Jacqueau posted and they do not seem to understand the difernce.
Canada imports oil while battling over pipeline exports
CBC News Posted: Jan 25, 2012 6:26 PM ET Last Updated: Jan 25, 2012 8:34 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/01...
Let me explain it to you. Crude oil is as it comes out of the ground. It is sent to refineries where it is made into fished products like "motor oil" and "heating oil". I could name all the finished products but it would take me weeks and dozens of pages and links. But you can get everything from hydrogen gas for NASA's rockets, to clothing dyes, to fertilizers, to explosives, to plastics, etc. and we do export many refined petroleum products.
Jacqueau seems to think Canada exports (crude) oil and then imports (heating) oil and to him it is all the same thing!

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