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GP org

Sayville, NY

#166620 Aug 6, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, but lest you forget, I was only comparing orators. Hitler was one of the greatest orator but I wouldn't compare him politically with Churchill. Oratory skills yes, but that's it.
Just one little political retort if I may. Yes, MLK may have well broken early with Obama. But one must remember that for an Afro-American to become a senator and then president, Obama had to compromise much, which was not the MLK way of doing things. But then, had Obama been uncompromising like MLK, he would not have been elected president, right? Prostitution comes to mind, but then, Gorbachev did that. Had he not, we'd still have the USSR and cold war. Had Obama not compromised or "prostituted" himself, he would not be president. As to the kind of job he's doing, well, that's another matter not relevant to oratory skills and political maneuvering.
There have been some Black Senators before Obama.

Carol Mosely Braun and the one Barbara Walters dated back in the day Edward Brooke.

In 2008 a Black Man won in 9 Bush Republican Red States. Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, Indiana, Colorado, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, and New Mexico.

Obama had a Democratic House and Senate.

Most of the whole country and most of the whole world were against Bush Republican Neo-Conservatives and Wall Street.

Truth be told Obama did not have to comprise with anyone.

He received the most small donations from average Americans than any other president before him.

He even beat the powerful and very connected Hillary Clinton.

Not one Republican voted with him and he passed a Republican health care plan with all Democrats.

As for the Russian Bear we never ended the cold war, not really.

I agree with all rest you stated.

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8 Ways Privatization Has Failed America
August 5, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/mfob39k
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/08/05
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166621 Aug 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Only an ignorant fool would imply that the lawmakers didn't know what was in the bill.
<quoted text>
Close tinkerbell but not quite. Only ignorant fools could EVER write such an unconstitutional piece of garbage. That would be the DIM party! Bunch of fools!
GP org

Sayville, NY

#166622 Aug 6, 2013
10 Red States not 9.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166623 Aug 6, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
A birfoon assuming he has a clue about race relations. Now that is rich.
Sorry Mr. Liars, but if you (or anyone else) have a race problem you’ve always had it and your attempt to blame another for your fragilities just won’t fly.
Obama should have nothing to do with how you feel towards your fellow man whatever his color. If you think otherwise then you’re only fooling yourself.
You just confirmed it for me, poops. You're an idiot poops, completely clueless. Here's a $20, go buy another rock.
GP org

Sayville, NY

#166624 Aug 6, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest reason Republicans haven't impeached Obama is that they don't have enough votes. Congress may have enough votes to repeal ObamaKare,but they don't have enough votes to override an Obama veto. The only thing that Obama inherited was the ideal situation for a newly minted,extremely inexperienced occupant of the White House. All Obama had to do to be successful after the November 2008 election is follow up on his promises to get Congress to work together and to serve the best interests of our country. Obama came into office with a Democrat controlled Congress and a country in need of a facilitator,in stead Obama has spent his entire time at The White House trying to divide our country and trying to destroy our way of life. The first thing Obama did was denigrate The Constitution and fifty percent of the population,instead of keeping his promise to unite our country he has devoted all his efforts to dividing the country through a caste system,knowing full well that our country was founded by patriots who despised the European caste system.
Republicans run the House of Representatives and John Boehner is the Speaker who controls everything.

Impeachment is not even talked about in the Republican party. It is totally off the table.

Obama did not divide anyone, it is the propaganda in rightwing media that is dividing.

That is how the rightwing makes its money by dividing and telling half-truths mixed in with propaganda.

Obama is continuing over 90% of all Bush and Cheney's failed policies.

Stop believing all the liars in corporate rightwing media and lamestream media.

Don't believe the hype that spying on all Americans is good and will keep you safe.

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Tomgram: Peter Van Buren, The Manning Trial Began on 9/11
August 4, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/myovrzd
Close your eyes for a moment, think about recent events, and you could easily believe yourself in a Seinfeldian Bizarro World. Now, open them and, for a second, everything looks almost familiar... and then you notice that a dissident is fleeing a harsh and draconian power, known for its global surveillance practices, use of torture, assassination campaigns, and secret prisons, and has found a haven in a heartless world in... hmmm... Russia. That dissident, of course, is Edward Snowden, just granted a year’s temporary asylum in Russia, a.k.a. the defender of human rights and freedom 2013, and so has been released from a Washington-imposed imprisonment in Moscow’s international air terminal and the threat of far worse.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175732/tomgra...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166625 Aug 6, 2013
GP org wrote:
<quoted text>
There have been some Black Senators before Obama.
Carol Mosely Braun and the one Barbara Walters dated back in the day Edward Brooke.
In 2008 a Black Man won in 9 Bush Republican Red States. Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, Indiana, Colorado, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, and New Mexico.
Obama had a Democratic House and Senate.
Most of the whole country and most of the whole world were against Bush Republican Neo-Conservatives and Wall Street.
Truth be told Obama did not have to comprise with anyone.
He received the most small donations from average Americans than any other president before him.
He even beat the powerful and very connected Hillary Clinton.
Not one Republican voted with him and he passed a Republican health care plan with all Democrats.
As for the Russian Bear we never ended the cold war, not really.
I agree with all rest you stated.
==========
8 Ways Privatization Has Failed America
August 5, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/mfob39k
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/08/05
Well put. all of it. Do I detect a certain insider/diplomatic background?

Yes, there have been some black senators before Obama. But, out of 50 + 485 lower house congressmen, and out of a ^population, both houses are not exactly teeming with blacks, even today. Brookes came from an enlightened state, btw.

Yes, Obama had a dem house and senate. But for two short years only and he did manage to pass Obamacare with it, albeit with such costly compromises brought on by his own...democrats, slaves to Insurance company and hospital/doctor political donations. I can't understand why a full and complete total universal health care plan cannot be achieved like in the other 33 OECD countries, all idiots, like Rogue wrote.

Russians : situation is not idea, but it beats pre-1989, no? And the more the Russians become capitalists like us, particularly the upper echelons, the less they will be tempted to renew the cold or hot war, or any war.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166626 Aug 6, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Really Mr. Liars,“no one” read the bill? Is that to say the right has no clue what it is they’re opposing?
The good news Mr. Liars is that you will still benefit from the law you so vehemently oppose. That is of course unless you’re applying for Medicaid.
If that’s the case then know that your state officials are working overtime with the (federal) Department of Health and Human Services to provide other options for you and your family. LOL
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/09/26/91...
The right was left out (actually, locked out) of the secret meetings behind closed doors, remember? You know, those middle of the night meetings? Of course you do. And surely you remember Queen Peloofa saying, "we'll all just have to wait and open it together to find out what's in it"? Right? What a joke! You call these people leaders? Brainless to say the least and you suck it up, gallons at a time.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#166627 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony Weiner wrote:
borat hussein obama = NON-AMERICAN, foreign-born, sucks at basketball and golf
if it looks like an anti-American duck, quacks and squeals like an anti-American duck...it's an anti-American fn duck
Get a grip dude! Obama is the people’s choice. If you have a problem with that it’s evident you were on the opposing (loser’s) side, but what’s with all the venom?

Is it your contention that the 66 million American citizens who voted for Barack Obama are un-American as well? Is it you who decides who the “real” Americans are or does majority opinion count anymore?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166628 Aug 6, 2013
Bad Day for Liberalism: August 5, 2013
Written by Gary North on August 6, 2013

The big story on the morning of June 5 was that the New York Times Company sold the Boston Globe for a paltry $70 million. It had paid $1.1 billion in 1993, which was worth $1.76 billion in today’s money.

That afternoon, the bombshell hit: the Graham family is selling The Washington Post for a paltry $250 million to Amazon owner Jeff Bezos. Bezos has no background in running a newspaper. He just thought it would be a kick to own one. Well, I am sure it will be.

The Post has been the flagship for Beltway liberalism for two generations. It was second only to The New York Times in its influence in American journalism.

If the peripheral Boston Globe was worth $1.76 billion in 1993, and $70 million today, think of what the Post was worth in 1993.

The Grahams were presiding over a doddering patient with a catheter. They sold out just in time. By hanging on for two decades, they walked away from a fortune. They wound up selling to an billionaire who owns the largest mail-order operation in the world. He is taking on the project the way that rich men play with hobbies in their spare time.

Bezos now has two options (1) do nothing new, and serve as the captain of the Titanic; (2) change the entire operation. In either case, liberalism has suffered a major hit.

I think Bezos will play the first role. He is imitating the career of Ted Turner, who sold to AOL, and watched Time Warner shrivel. Turner thought AOL was the wave of the future. Bezos thinks his knowledge of how to run a gigantic mail-order Walmart will enable him to get the doddering patient off the catheter. He won’t.

The reporters who work for the Post are in the wrong profession. Their peers in Boston could do nothing. They sat their until most were fired, one by one. They will suffer the same fate. The industry is a buggy whip.

The industry was liberalism’s trifecta: newspapers, television networks, and the school system. Two are bleeding red ink. The third soon will be, as online education enables students to live at home, take courses online, graduate with accredited degrees, and pay $15,000 in tuition, total. A widely accepted estimate is that half of all American universities will go under over the next five decades. It won’t take anywhere near that long. The no-name private colleges will go under first, Cutbacks in tax funding will complete the procedure. Legislators will figure out that they can fire two-thirds of the faculty and replace them with online lectures and low-paid, untenured professors and graduate students to grade written exams.

All that liberalism will have left is the public school system, K-12. This dinosaur has been caught trapped in the tar pit ever since 1963, when SAT scores peaked. Online education is invading today. The American Federation of Teachers is on the defensive. In 50 years, the suburban schools will be online. Competition will demonstrate that the public school bureaucracies cannot compete.

Liberalism made entrepreneurial decisions on where the future was headed. The World Wide Web is taking the world in a different direction. It is leaving liberalism behind.

Liberals call this process of ideological decentralization “Balkanization.” I call it the break-up of a cartel that can no longer compete on the free market.

August 5, 2013 was a great day.

Continue Reading on dealbook.nytimes.com

Read more: http://teapartyeconomist.com/2013/08/06/bad-d...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166629 Aug 6, 2013
Hummm, although most news papers have been losing value for the past few decades it seems that the Liberal rags are in worse shape than the Conservative ones.
It seems most Conservatives are literate.

THE MEDIA EQUATION
The Washington Post Reaches the End of the Graham Era By DAVID CARR: August 5, 2013

In late 2012, Donald E. Graham, the chairman and chief executive of The Washington Post Company, met with the paper’s publisher, Katharine Weymouth, to look at the paper’s future for the next three years. Their assessment troubled them.

We knew we could survive, but we always felt that our ownership should do more than help the paper survive,” Mr. Graham said in an interview Monday evening.

With the agreement of the board, the company retained Allen & Company and had an initial round of discussions with six potential buyers. Then in July, at Allen’s annual Sun Valley conference, Mr. Graham met with one of them, Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon.com . Mr. Graham liked what he heard.

So after 80 years of control and editorial leadership by the Graham family, The Post began to change ownership Monday, when Mr. Bezos agreed to buy it for $250 million.

The sale, when it is completed, will end the special relationship the paper has had with the nation’s capital. Washington has been through all manner of tumult and change in the last eight decades, with years of racial strife, the resignation of a president, a terrorist attack on the Pentagon and the evaporation of a bipartisan political process.

But through it all, The Washington Post has been a source of both constancy and coverage, a center of gravity and a force in the civic, social and cultural life of a city where many others came and went.

“It is a very big Washington moment,” said David Gergen, who was involved in four presidential administrations.

“When Kay Graham had you to her house, it was a command performance,” Mr. Gergen added, referring to Mr. Graham’s mother, the paper’s leader for more than two decades.“It was one of the last places where people with very different agendas would set down their weapons and come to talk. That has been disappearing for a long time, but symbolically, this brings an end to that era.”

To many, the Washington that the newspaper once guided from family dinners and select Georgetown salons disappeared long before the sale. The rise of the Web site Politico — built by people trained and nurtured at The Washington Post — and other insurgents foretold a change in the order of things. The days when people snapped open the daily paper to find out the things they should care about were long past, replaced by a cacophony of information sources, many of them far more driven by ideology than The Washington Post.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166630 Aug 6, 2013
GP org wrote:
<quoted text>
There have been some Black Senators before Obama.
Carol Mosely Braun and the one Barbara Walters dated back in the day Edward Brooke.
In 2008 a Black Man won in 9 Bush Republican Red States. Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, Indiana, Colorado, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, and New Mexico.
Obama had a Democratic House and Senate.
Most of the whole country and most of the whole world were against Bush Republican Neo-Conservatives and Wall Street.
Truth be told Obama did not have to comprise with anyone.
He received the most small donations from average Americans than any other president before him.
He even beat the powerful and very connected Hillary Clinton.
Not one Republican voted with him and he passed a Republican health care plan with all Democrats.
As for the Russian Bear we never ended the cold war, not really.
I agree with all rest you stated.
==========
8 Ways Privatization Has Failed America
August 5, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/mfob39k
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/08/05
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well put. all of it. Do I detect a certain insider/diplomatic background?
Yes, there have been some black senators before Obama. But, out of 50 + 485 lower house congressmen, and out of a ^population, both houses are not exactly teeming with blacks, even today. Brookes came from an enlightened state, btw.
Yes, Obama had a dem house and senate. But for two short years only and he did manage to pass Obamacare with it, albeit with such costly compromises brought on by his own...democrats, slaves to Insurance company and hospital/doctor political donations. I can't understand why a full and complete total universal health care plan cannot be achieved like in the other 33 OECD countries, all idiots, like Rogue wrote.
Russians : situation is not idea, but it beats pre-1989, no? And the more the Russians become capitalists like us, particularly the upper echelons, the less they will be tempted to renew the cold or hot war, or any war.
Well, the first THREE Black U.S. Senators were REPUBLICANS and currently the ONLY Black U.S. Senator is also a REPUBLICAN!
Oh, what happened to the last Black Democrat U.S. Senator, Mo Cowan?

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#166631 Aug 6, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Hayakawa must be spinning in his grave LOL
The only thing I remember about S. I. Hayakawa is he was a funny looking little old man who wore a silly tam and was too senile when he ran for the California senate. Californians thought he was cute and voted him into office anyway where he commenced to sleep throughout his tenure. LOL

Surely you must be thinking of Daniel Inouye.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166632 Aug 6, 2013
GP org wrote:
<quoted text>
There have been some Black Senators before Obama.
Carol Mosely Braun and the one Barbara Walters dated back in the day Edward Brooke.
In 2008 a Black Man won in 9 Bush Republican Red States. Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, Indiana, Colorado, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, and New Mexico.
Obama had a Democratic House and Senate.
Most of the whole country and most of the whole world were against Bush Republican Neo-Conservatives and Wall Street.
Truth be told Obama did not have to comprise with anyone.
He received the most small donations from average Americans than any other president before him.
He even beat the powerful and very connected Hillary Clinton.
Not one Republican voted with him and he passed a Republican health care plan with all Democrats.
As for the Russian Bear we never ended the cold war, not really.
I agree with all rest you stated.
==========
8 Ways Privatization Has Failed America
August 5, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/mfob39k
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/08/05
You do know that Barack H. Obama JUNIOR is only half-black, don't you? The last I knew his mother was WHITE as a sheet!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#166633 Aug 6, 2013
Jacques,
After learning of scandal after scandal eminating from the Oval Office, many supporters of Barack Obama now are experiencing buyer's remorse.
And being the astute information hound that I am, I support Edward Snowden to the fullest extent.
I want to know everything there possibly is to know.
There will be no more secrets kept by the merry band of theives in Washington DC.
loose

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#166634 Aug 6, 2013
Jacques,
The countdown continues....
8 days to go until the King of Crime, Jesse Jackson Jr. is sentenced to prison for plundering his campaign war chest of hundreds of thousands of dollars for personal use.
It will be a glorious day, August 14th, in many more ways than one. The least of whioch will be the sendoff of Jackson to the federal peneteniary.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166635 Aug 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hummm, although most news papers have been losing value for the past few decades it seems that the Liberal rags are in worse shape than the Conservative ones.
It seems most Conservatives are literate.
THE MEDIA EQUATION
The Washington Post Reaches the End of the Graham Era By DAVID CARR: August 5, 2013
In late 2012, Donald E. Graham, the chairman and chief executive of The Washington Post Company, met with the paper’s publisher, Katharine Weymouth, to look at the paper’s future for the next three years. Their assessment troubled them.
We knew we could survive, but we always felt that our ownership should do more than help the paper survive,” Mr. Graham said in an interview Monday evening.
With the agreement of the board, the company retained Allen & Company and had an initial round of discussions with six potential buyers. Then in July, at Allen’s annual Sun Valley conference, Mr. Graham met with one of them, Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon.com . Mr. Graham liked what he heard.
So after 80 years of control and editorial leadership by the Graham family, The Post began to change ownership Monday, when Mr. Bezos agreed to buy it for $250 million.
The sale, when it is completed, will end the special relationship the paper has had with the nation’s capital. Washington has been through all manner of tumult and change in the last eight decades, with years of racial strife, the resignation of a president, a terrorist attack on the Pentagon and the evaporation of a bipartisan political process.
But through it all, The Washington Post has been a source of both constancy and coverage, a center of gravity and a force in the civic, social and cultural life of a city where many others came and went.
“It is a very big Washington moment,” said David Gergen, who was involved in four presidential administrations.
“When Kay Graham had you to her house, it was a command performance,” Mr. Gergen added, referring to Mr. Graham’s mother, the paper’s leader for more than two decades.“It was one of the last places where people with very different agendas would set down their weapons and come to talk. That has been disappearing for a long time, but symbolically, this brings an end to that era.”
To many, the Washington that the newspaper once guided from family dinners and select Georgetown salons disappeared long before the sale. The rise of the Web site Politico — built by people trained and nurtured at The Washington Post — and other insurgents foretold a change in the order of things. The days when people snapped open the daily paper to find out the things they should care about were long past, replaced by a cacophony of information sources, many of them far more driven by ideology than The Washington Post.
Wrong and wrong again, Rogue. It's called the dumbing down of the population. Rags like the National Enquirer outsell the Washington Post by a mile. People magazine outsells Vanity Fair by 100 miles. Newsweek, one of the most literate, is gone except online. Fox is the most popular news channel. If that is not worrisome, then nothing is.

The cream of the cream, the Washington Post, along with the New York Times, Le Monde and the Herald Tribune are all in financial straits as people no longer read or if they do, they read trash. Same for TV, the lower the common denominator, the more it's watched.

As a matter of fact, and had you read Carr's article, you would not have reproduced it for it says exactly what I just wrote. Quality is out, gormless trash in great quantities is in and we the people love it.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166636 Aug 6, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
The countdown continues....
8 days to go until the King of Crime, Jesse Jackson Jr. is sentenced to prison for plundering his campaign war chest of hundreds of thousands of dollars for personal use.
It will be a glorious day, August 14th, in many more ways than one. The least of whioch will be the sendoff of Jackson to the federal peneteniary.
Could I care less? if the guy's a crook, let him pay, Jackson's son or not, democrat or whatever.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166637 Aug 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know that Barack H. Obama JUNIOR is only half-black, don't you? The last I knew his mother was WHITE as a sheet!
Rogue's main preoccupations (obsessions?)

1. Race

2. Guns, guns and more guns

3. Bill Clinton's appendage

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#166638 Aug 6, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
The right was left out (actually, locked out) of the secret meetings behind closed doors, remember? You know, those middle of the night meetings? Of course you do. And surely you remember Queen Peloofa saying, "we'll all just have to wait and open it together to find out what's in it"? Right? What a joke! You call these people leaders? Brainless to say the least and you suck it up, gallons at a time.
Stop trying to fool yourself Mr. Liars. Obamacare is the Republican health care plan. Or at least the one they proposed in opposition to Clinton’s. That they were full of shit then is obvious and now even more so that they have no alternative plan.

As far as Rethugs are concerned the Insurance companies can continue to build skyscrapers with your premiums while closing you out the minute you get sick and you apparently think that’s the way it should be. Well, I don’t.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166639 Aug 6, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing I remember about S. I. Hayakawa is he was a funny looking little old man who wore a silly tam and was too senile when he ran for the California senate. Californians thought he was cute and voted him into office anyway where he commenced to sleep throughout his tenure. LOL
Surely you must be thinking of Daniel Inouye.
No, no, Inouye was a hero of mine. Hayakawa, if memory serves me right, was a world-renowned semanticist who, I believe, and throughout his career pushed for California to adopt English as its official language. The only reason he ran for the State legislature was to push a bill to so enact English as the sole official language of California. And it worked, I believe, it passed.

The above's from memory as I'm too lazy to look it up but I'm fairly certain I got it right.

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