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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#166527 Aug 5, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
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Dunce, Obama was born in Kenya and his mother was not old enough to bestow her American citizenship on him!
That is why he was born a British citizen by his own admission.
Dismissed, NEXT!
Sorry loser.

If Obama had been born in Kenya he would have been naturalized pro forma as soon as his mother applied for his citizenship in Hawaii per Public Law 414,§ 322, June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 246. No cloak and dagger required. No Evil Grannie conspiring to hoodwink DOH. Just simple application and rubber stamp.

Duh! You're so gullible.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166529 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Your argument about not having enough units to fight in Iraq and have the National guard step in is invalid, Rogue. You had no business invading Iraq. You point is moot and out of order.
As to suicides, they are abominable. Unbearable. Your military, just like ours, read, JUST LIKE OURS, never stops lauding our fighting men and women, hiding behind them like hiding behind the flag and anthem ceremonies, but when these men and women return with post traumatic stress disorder, the Dept of Defence people and politicians, I read and hear it all over, almost always seem to ignore them and don't fund many advanced studies and treatment of PTSD. Oh, I suppose it's much cheaper when they get killed in action. No medical follow-up, no disability pension, no messy lawsuits, and best of all, and it's almost free except for the medals, they are called heroes and patriots who died for their country. All honours,(also cheap) onto them.
What's the rape/harassment figure again? 10,000 complaints per year? I've even heard stories, but can't confirm them, of class-like ghettos on board aircraft carriers - one group here, one group there and wise not to trespass or impinge on each other's territory.
"Your point is moot and out of order"? According to who? You? LMAO! Path, you're one messed up individual! Get some help, you quack!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166530 Aug 5, 2013
GP org wrote:
<quoted text>
I can understand your feelings regarding how articulate they spoke, and I agree.
However,
One was an A rated actor and snake oil salesmen. Listen to all the lies on the socialized medicine audio.
Slick Willie was a snake oil salesman.
MLK was a truth teller.
Even today in 2013 the lamestream/rightwing media never gives the whole picture about MLK.
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RIP Howard, A True American Patriot
Howard Zinn:“I Wish Obama Would Listen to MLK”
May 13, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/oavpvn
Legendary historian Howard Zinn joins us to talk about war, torture and the teaching of history. Zinn says Obama had Obama heeded the lessons of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., he wouldn’t be escalating US attacks abroad and increasing the size of the US military budget. We also play excerpts of the forthcoming documentary, The People Speak, featuring dramatic readings based on Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States and Voices of a People’s History of the United States.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/13/howard_...
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Don’t You Dare Conflate MLK and Obama
01/16/2013 / http://tinyurl.com/bg78byt
“Had King survived, his break with Obama would have come early.”
Back in 1964, under prodding from a BBC interviewer, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. predicted that a Black person might be elected president [8]“in 25 years or less.” Four years later, shortly before his assassination, King confided [9] to actor/activist Harry Belafonte that he had “come to believe we're integrating into a burning house." We now see that the two notions are not at all contradictory. At least some African Americans have achieved deep penetration of the very pinnacles of white power structures – integrating the White House, itself – while conditions of life for masses of Black folks deteriorate and the society as a whole falls into deep decay.
The fires lit by the “giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism” that Dr. King identified in his 1967 “Beyond Vietnam: Breaking the Silence [10]” speech are consuming the world, now stoked by a Black arsonist-in-chief. Domestic poverty hovers only a fraction of a percentage below the levels of 1965 [11], with “extreme poverty” the highest on record. Black household wealth has collapsed to one-twentieth that of whites. Today, more Black men are under the control of the criminal justice system than were slaves in the decade before the Civil War, according to Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow.
http://blackagendareport.com/print/content/do...
Thank you, but lest you forget, I was only comparing orators. Hitler was one of the greatest orator but I wouldn't compare him politically with Churchill. Oratory skills yes, but that's it.

Just one little political retort if I may. Yes, MLK may have well broken early with Obama. But one must remember that for an Afro-American to become a senator and then president, Obama had to compromise much, which was not the MLK way of doing things. But then, had Obama been uncompromising like MLK, he would not have been elected president, right? Prostitution comes to mind, but then, Gorbachev did that. Had he not, we'd still have the USSR and cold war. Had Obama not compromised or "prostituted" himself, he would not be president. As to the kind of job he's doing, well, that's another matter not relevant to oratory skills and political maneuvering.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166531 Aug 5, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
"Your point is moot and out of order"? According to who? You? LMAO! Path, you're one messed up individual! Get some help, you quack!
Then you agree that invasion of Iraq was a good thing with a happy ending. That it was worth 4,000 dead GIs, 32,000 maimed GIs, over 150,000 dead Iraqis, ruined infrastructure, and for the US, over 1.5 trillion spent. Tell me, do you think the Iraqis are better off today than they were under Saddam? Are there fewer deaths, for example? Oh, what do think of Iraqi's manner of thanking the Americans for their sacrifice by giving Russians the biggest ever oil exploration and exploitation, and also a huge export contract to the Japanese. Oh, meanwhile, not a penny in reparations and not one break in the price of a barrel. Tell me again, was it all worth it and does the word "moot" come to mind?

Try to answer by replying to each of the above points, avoiding ad hominem and profanity.
Learn to Read

United States

#166533 Aug 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Any reasonable person would have laughed at the fable at first glance.

...
Thus explaining why Birfoons embrace the fable. That much hatred, bigotry and ignorance doesn't mix well with reason
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166534 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you agree that invasion of Iraq was a good thing with a happy ending. That it was worth 4,000 dead GIs, 32,000 maimed GIs, over 150,000 dead Iraqis, ruined infrastructure, and for the US, over 1.5 trillion spent. Tell me, do you think the Iraqis are better off today than they were under Saddam? Are there fewer deaths, for example? Oh, what do think of Iraqi's manner of thanking the Americans for their sacrifice by giving Russians the biggest ever oil exploration and exploitation, and also a huge export contract to the Japanese. Oh, meanwhile, not a penny in reparations and not one break in the price of a barrel. Tell me again, was it all worth it and does the word "moot" come to mind?
Try to answer by replying to each of the above points, avoiding ad hominem and profanity.
I agreed with the invasion. Saddam had snubbed UN inspectors too many times. No war has a happy ending, you dip! Do you think Iraq sets the price for a barrel of oil? Finally, the money from their oil is going to the country, not Saddam. Hell, that in itself makes it worth it! Not to mention putting Saddam on the "warm-up" bench permanently! You're as loony as can be. LMAO!
Frank

Spokane, WA

#166536 Aug 5, 2013
GP org wrote:
<quoted text>
Baloney, Baloney, and more Baloney!
You have a Republican House that can Impeach Obama but won't because he is just doing what Bush/Cheney did for 8 years.
Obama inherited it.
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US media poodles http://tinyurl.com/2eghc8
At times, long after laying the big flagstones on the path to war, mainstream US media outlets resolve to be more independent next time. And why not? As Mark Twain commented, "It's easy to quit smoking. I've done it hundreds of times."
When the president and his team set out to prepare the media ground for war, they can rely on a repetition compulsion that's widespread in the American press. Major outlets seem unable to resist White House agenda-setting for war. Cases in point span decades, from Vietnam and the Dominican Republic to Grenada and Panama, to Iraq and Yugoslavia, to Afghanistan and Iraq again - with Iran likely to join the list next year.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/norman_so...
The biggest reason Republicans haven't impeached Obama is that they don't have enough votes. Congress may have enough votes to repeal ObamaKare,but they don't have enough votes to override an Obama veto. The only thing that Obama inherited was the ideal situation for a newly minted,extremely inexperienced occupant of the White House. All Obama had to do to be successful after the November 2008 election is follow up on his promises to get Congress to work together and to serve the best interests of our country. Obama came into office with a Democrat controlled Congress and a country in need of a facilitator,in stead Obama has spent his entire time at The White House trying to divide our country and trying to destroy our way of life. The first thing Obama did was denigrate The Constitution and fifty percent of the population,instead of keeping his promise to unite our country he has devoted all his efforts to dividing the country through a caste system,knowing full well that our country was founded by patriots who despised the European caste system.
LCN Llin

United States

#166537 Aug 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest reason Republicans haven't impeached Obama is that they don't have enough votes. Congress may have enough votes to repeal ObamaKare,but they don't have enough votes to override an Obama veto. The only thing that Obama inherited was the ideal situation for a newly minted,extremely inexperienced occupant of the White House. All Obama had to do to be successful after the November 2008 election is follow up on his promises to get Congress to work together and to serve the best interests of our country. Obama came into office with a Democrat controlled Congress and a country in need of a facilitator,in stead Obama has spent his entire time at The White House trying to divide our country and trying to destroy our way of life. The first thing Obama did was denigrate The Constitution and fifty percent of the population,instead of keeping his promise to unite our country he has devoted all his efforts to dividing the country through a caste system,knowing full well that our country was founded by patriots who despised the European caste system.
Good to see you posting, someone said you had passed on.
Remember all Republican Senators are RINOs and need to be defeated in the primaries.
Strive toward lucidity
Frank

Spokane, WA

#166538 Aug 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry loser.
If Obama had been born in Kenya he would have been naturalized pro forma as soon as his mother applied for his citizenship in Hawaii per Public Law 414,§ 322, June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 246. No cloak and dagger required. No Evil Grannie conspiring to hoodwink DOH. Just simple application and rubber stamp.
Duh! You're so gullible.
If Obama's father was a United States Citizen,Hilary Clinton never would have been able to use this controversy to try to win the primary.

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#166540 Aug 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest reason Republicans haven't impeached Obama is that they don't have enough votes. Congress may have enough votes to repeal ObamaKare,but they don't have enough votes to override an Obama veto. The only thing that Obama inherited was the ideal situation for a newly minted,extremely inexperienced occupant of the White House. All Obama had to do to be successful after the November 2008 election is follow up on his promises to get Congress to work together and to serve the best interests of our country. Obama came into office with a Democrat controlled Congress and a country in need of a facilitator,in stead Obama has spent his entire time at The White House trying to divide our country and trying to destroy our way of life. The first thing Obama did was denigrate The Constitution and fifty percent of the population,instead of keeping his promise to unite our country he has devoted all his efforts to dividing the country through a caste system,knowing full well that our country was founded by patriots who despised the European caste system.
ACTUALLY they are ALL Freemasons or Skull&Bones and in cahoots to make this "king-despot" Obama dictator of the whole earth. I hate Big Brother.
LCN Llin

United States

#166541 Aug 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama's father was a United States Citizen,Hilary Clinton never would have been able to use this controversy to try to win the primary.
Kenya is the topic,
Keep pressing on
Windmills are weakening.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166543 Aug 5, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I agreed with the invasion. Saddam had snubbed UN inspectors too many times. No war has a happy ending, you dip! Do you think Iraq sets the price for a barrel of oil? Finally, the money from their oil is going to the country, not Saddam. Hell, that in itself makes it worth it! Not to mention putting Saddam on the "warm-up" bench permanently! You're as loony as can be. LMAO!
You agreed with the invasion? No second thoughts? Do you then agree that both the United States AND Iraq are now better off because of the invasion? Do you agree that where there were no Al Qaeda and Taliban in Iraq under Saddam, they are now there in force. Do you agree that Iraq was a tactical buffer state to Iran and now, today, Iranians are in Baghdad. Do you agree that what Jews there were in Iraq under Saddam have now all left, as have most Catholics under persecution both of them, though they lived freely under Saddam? Do you agree that there are more daily violent deaths in Iraq today than Saddam the butcher could ever have dreamed of? Do you agree that the US , the "saviour" of Iraq, at great costs, is getting the shaft oil-wise? Do you agree that Iraq has become the world's second biggest oil exporter, with not a cent going into reparations to the US? Much more, but best you chew on that and come back with profanity and ad hominem, not able to rebut one single of the above points. And, hey, you agreed with the invasion? You're in the minority, you must surely know that.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166544 Aug 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama's father was a United States Citizen,Hilary Clinton never would have been able to use this controversy to try to win the primary.
Er, is it my imagination or did Obama not win the primary? Er, he also won the presidency. ONCE. TWICE. And, not unlike Clinton, would win it a third time were he allowed to run. She DIDN'T win the primary, Frank.
LCN Llin

United States

#166545 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Er, is it my imagination or did Obama not win the primary? Er, he also won the presidency. ONCE. TWICE. And, not unlike Clinton, would win it a third time were he allowed to run. She DIDN'T win the primary, Frank.
check world nut daily, think Romney won and the south won the Civil War?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166546 Aug 5, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
<quoted text>
check world nut daily, think Romney won and the south won the Civil War?
They're also pretty certain that the Cubs won the last 5 World Series.

When, to birthers, 0-209 represents a winning score, then one has to consider many possibilities.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166547 Aug 5, 2013
What a hoot. Politico does an article about Obama Care and the picture shows ONE volunteer phone operator!!! Yep, the bloom is off the rose!
Wiktionary
the bloom is off the rose
(idiomatic, business, economics) Business is not going well for a particular identified firm or industry, or the overall economy has taken a downturn.

Obamacare message war goes local

By KYLE CHENEY | 8/4/13 4:59 PM EDT Updated: 8/5/13 7:06 AM EDT
CENTREVILLE, Va.— A race to define Obamacare to the masses began today between the stacks at the Centreville Library. Over pizza in Decatur, Texas. And with a glass of wine in Naples, Fla.

Dozens of communities around the country hosted pro-Obamacare events, convened by the president’s foot soldiers at Organizing for Action. The series is the first salvo in what is fixing to be a month of high-stakes health care spin. When Congress returns from its summer recess in early September, there will be less than a month until Obamacare’s most sweeping coverage programs start signing up customers in new health insurance exchanges.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/obamaca...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166548 Aug 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama's father was a United States Citizen,Hilary Clinton never would have been able to use this controversy to try to win the primary.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Er, is it my imagination or did Obama not win the primary? Er, he also won the presidency. ONCE. TWICE. And, not unlike Clinton, would win it a third time were he allowed to run. She DIDN'T win the primary, Frank.
Typical Libtardian Logic. He won the election, ergo he is a lawful president.
Did you say that about G.W. Bush too?!?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166549 Aug 5, 2013
nebka wrote:
<quoted text>
Rouge read this
Fifty years after the crisis, Graham Allison wrote:
Fifty years ago, the Cuban missile crisis brought the world to the brink of nuclear disaster. During the standoff, U.S. President John F. Kennedy thought the chance of escalation to war was "between 1 in 3 and even," and what we have learned in later decades has done nothing to lengthen those odds. We now know, for example, that in addition to nuclear-armed ballistic missiles, the Soviet Union had deployed 100 tactical nuclear weapons to Cuba, and the local Soviet commander there could have launched these weapons without additional codes or commands from Moscow. The U.S. air strike and invasion that were scheduled for the third week of the confrontation would likely have triggered a nuclear response against American ships and troops, and perhaps even Miami. The resulting war might have led to the deaths of 100 million Americans and over 100 million Russians
Allison, Graham; Zelikow, Philip (1999). Essence of Decision, Explaining the Cuban Missile Crisis. New York: Addison Wesley Longman. ISBN 0-321-01349-2.
I notice you dodged all of the other issues but I will address your one point. Just like the United States, the Soviets had a protocol for launch of "special munitions". In the case for an American "Boomer" they have the Two-Man-Rule where they both must confirm and agree. The captain of a Boomer can not by himself launch his missiles and likewise the Soviet commander must be in agreement with the Political Officer.
Every military unit in the Soviet Union had a KGB Political Officer who could countermand any order by the unit commander to launch their weapons!!!
Oh yea of no experience in these matters thing you know everything.
Oh, you still have not explained why we did not need the Skybolt and then went ahead under Reagan to develop the next generation of cruise missiles which we are still using to this day?!?
And can you explain why the removed the Hound Dogs from service in .... 1978 (under ... Jimmy "The Peanut Man" Carter)
From Wiki: On September 22, 1966, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara recommended retiring all of the remaining Hound Dog missiles, within a few years. The Hound Dogs would be retained pending the outcome of the Terrain Contour Matching (TERCOM) guidance system development program. Secretary McNamara's recommendation was not acted upon, and the Hound Dog remained in service [1]

After thirteen years of service with the Air Force, the last Hound Dog missile was removed from alert deployment on June 30, 1975. The Hound Dog missiles were kept in dead storage for a number of years. The last Hound Dog was retired for scrapping on June 15, 1978, from the 42nd Bomb Wing at Loring Air Force Base, Maine.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166550 Aug 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
What a hoot. Politico does an article about Obama Care and the picture shows ONE volunteer phone operator!!! Yep, the bloom is off the rose!
Wiktionary
the bloom is off the rose
(idiomatic, business, economics) Business is not going well for a particular identified firm or industry, or the overall economy has taken a downturn.
Obamacare message war goes local
By KYLE CHENEY | 8/4/13 4:59 PM EDT Updated: 8/5/13 7:06 AM EDT
CENTREVILLE, Va.— A race to define Obamacare to the masses began today between the stacks at the Centreville Library. Over pizza in Decatur, Texas. And with a glass of wine in Naples, Fla.
Dozens of communities around the country hosted pro-Obamacare events, convened by the president’s foot soldiers at Organizing for Action. The series is the first salvo in what is fixing to be a month of high-stakes health care spin. When Congress returns from its summer recess in early September, there will be less than a month until Obamacare’s most sweeping coverage programs start signing up customers in new health insurance exchanges.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/obamaca...
The OECD comprises 34 countries

Of those 34 countries, 33 have universal health care

The U.S. is the only holdout

Do you ever wonder, Rogue, in those 33 countries where you have progressives, liberals, socialists, communists, fascists, yes, fascists, conservatives, ultra right wingers, libertarians, and an extremely diverse electorate, not one party, not one voter, no group has ever fought for the dismantlement of universal health care, in spite of the current difficult period they are traversing. Any idea why that is?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166551 Aug 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama's father was a United States Citizen,Hilary Clinton never would have been able to use this controversy to try to win the primary.
<quoted text>
Typical Libtardian Logic. He won the election, ergo he is a lawful president.
Did you say that about G.W. Bush too?!?
1. You did not follow the discussion or else your reading skills have further eroded. Your buddy Frank wrote that Hillary Clinton won the primary. Try againè

2. G.W. Bush, it is proven, lost both the electoral college and the popular vote AND Florida. Seems his 2nd elections was legitimate.

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