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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#166516 Aug 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
As usual, instead of government employees working for We the People, We the People must word of government employees. Not only to We the Middle Class have to pay for our health insurance, we must also pay for the poor and the .... government employees!!!!
The government already pays nearly 75 percent of congressional “law breakers” premiums Rogue yet these same whining Rethugs are fighting tooth and nail to deny the same coverage to their poorest constituents even when it’s 100 percent financed by the federal government.

Their job now I suppose is to go back to their districts and try to convince these people that they and their families are better served having no coverage at all (even if it’s free) as long as we can kill Obamacare.

Good luck with that.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166517 Aug 5, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
The government already pays nearly 75 percent of congressional “law breakers” premiums Rogue yet these same whining Rethugs are fighting tooth and nail to deny the same coverage to their poorest constituents even when it’s 100 percent financed by the federal government.
Their job now I suppose is to go back to their districts and try to convince these people that they and their families are better served having no coverage at all (even if it’s free) as long as we can kill Obamacare.
Good luck with that.
Did Rogue not once work for the "government?". Does Rogue not now enjoy benefits like pension, generous health plan, etc, from said gov't?
GP org

Brooklyn, NY

#166518 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, but you're too generous. More outstanding is that socialized medicine clip by Reagan and the various other ones in the right margin.
All that's too bad as I could not help but like the guy. He was one of the best speakers I've ever heard, in a class with MLK and Bill Clinton. And what a sense of humour. The perfect showman, what! Should he have stuck to show business?
I can understand your feelings regarding how articulate they spoke, and I agree.

However,

One was an A rated actor and snake oil salesmen. Listen to all the lies on the socialized medicine audio.

Slick Willie was a snake oil salesman.

MLK was a truth teller.

Even today in 2013 the lamestream/rightwing media never gives the whole picture about MLK.

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RIP Howard, A True American Patriot
Howard Zinn:“I Wish Obama Would Listen to MLK”
May 13, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/oavpvn
Legendary historian Howard Zinn joins us to talk about war, torture and the teaching of history. Zinn says Obama had Obama heeded the lessons of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., he wouldn’t be escalating US attacks abroad and increasing the size of the US military budget. We also play excerpts of the forthcoming documentary, The People Speak, featuring dramatic readings based on Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States and Voices of a People’s History of the United States.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/13/howard_...

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Don’t You Dare Conflate MLK and Obama
01/16/2013 / http://tinyurl.com/bg78byt
“Had King survived, his break with Obama would have come early.”
Back in 1964, under prodding from a BBC interviewer, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. predicted that a Black person might be elected president [8]“in 25 years or less.” Four years later, shortly before his assassination, King confided [9] to actor/activist Harry Belafonte that he had “come to believe we're integrating into a burning house." We now see that the two notions are not at all contradictory. At least some African Americans have achieved deep penetration of the very pinnacles of white power structures – integrating the White House, itself – while conditions of life for masses of Black folks deteriorate and the society as a whole falls into deep decay.
The fires lit by the “giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism” that Dr. King identified in his 1967 “Beyond Vietnam: Breaking the Silence [10]” speech are consuming the world, now stoked by a Black arsonist-in-chief. Domestic poverty hovers only a fraction of a percentage below the levels of 1965 [11], with “extreme poverty” the highest on record. Black household wealth has collapsed to one-twentieth that of whites. Today, more Black men are under the control of the criminal justice system than were slaves in the decade before the Civil War, according to Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow.
http://blackagendareport.com/print/content/do...
GP org

Brooklyn, NY

#166519 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to forget the war on two fronts from 2003 on, Afghanistan and Iraq. And factor in troops in Germany, over 50,000 (why?) and other parts of the world. What with today's rapid deployment means, fighter aircraft, transport aircraft, ships, cruise missiles, etc, the need for these troops in Germany is superfluous and not cheap, even if Germany pays a part of it. 10,000 men and women and one base would be more than adequate to cover that area.
Well, you have it quite right.

USA is an empire and throughout history all empires fall.

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Nader Was Right: Liberals are Going Nowhere With Obama
Aug 10, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kotjan
The American empire has not altered under Barack Obama. It kills as brutally and indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as it did under George W. Bush. It steals from the U.S. treasury to enrich the corporate elite as rapaciously. It will not give us universal health care, abolish the Bush secrecy laws, end torture or “extraordinary rendition,” restore habeas corpus or halt the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of citizens. It will not push through significant environmental reform, regulate Wall Street or end our relationship with private contractors that provide mercenary armies to fight our imperial wars and produce useless and costly weapons systems.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090810_...

The NDAA and the Death of the Democratic State
by Chris Hedges / http://tinyurl.com/ay2k26z / February 11, 2013
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/02/11-2...

Hill Poll: Voters: Obama no better than Bush on security vs civil liberties
02/11/13 / http://tinyurl.com/b5gam9z
A majority of voters believe President Obama has been no better than his immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush, when it comes to balancing national security with the protection of civil liberties, according to a new poll for The Hill.
Thirty-seven percent of voters argue that Obama has been worse than Bush while 15 percent say he has been “about the same.”
http://thehill.com/polls/282147-hill-poll-vot...
Learn to Read

United States

#166521 Aug 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
Children can be naturalized upon petition of a citizen parent if:
&#61623;
The child is under 18 at the time;
&#61623;
The child is present in the U.S. at the time of naturalization;
and
&#61623;
The child resides in the United States with the citizen parent;
or
&#61623;
The child resides overseas with the adoptive citizen parent who is employed by the U.S. government

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It is not necessary for the US citizen parent to "bestow" citizenship on a child at birth in order for the child to become a citizen pro forma. The birfoon fantasy has no legs because there was never a motive for the "Evil Grannie phoned in the birth" fable.

Had Ann Dunham given birth to Barack H. Obama II in Kenya she simply could have applied for his naturalization and he would have been made a citizen.

Duh!
As if Birfoons can comprehend the statute.
GP org

Brooklyn, NY

#166522 Aug 5, 2013
The Martin Luther King You Don't See on TV
It's become a TV ritual: Every year in mid-January, around the time of Martin Luther King's birthday, we get perfunctory network news reports about "the slain civil rights leader." http://tinyurl.com/2wy5du

The remarkable thing about this annual review of King's life is that several years — his last years — are totally missing, as if flushed down a memory hole.

What TV viewers see is a closed loop of familiar file footage: King battling desegregation in Birmingham (1963); reciting his dream of racial harmony at the rally in Washington (1963); marching for voting rights in Selma, Alabama (1965); and finally, lying dead on the motel balcony in Memphis (1968).

An alert viewer might notice that the chronology jumps from 1965 to 1968. Yet King didn't take a sabbatical near the end of his life. In fact, he was speaking and organizing as diligently as ever.

Almost all of those speeches were filmed or taped. But they're not shown today on TV.

Why?

It's because national news media have never come to terms with what Martin Luther King Jr. stood for during his final years. http://www.fair.org/index.php...

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Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence
Declaration of Independence from the War in Vietnam

Delivered by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
April 4, 1967 / http://tinyurl.com/3fxtop

At Manhattan’s Riverside Church
Over the past two years, as I have moved to break the betrayal of my own silences and to speak from the burnings of my own heart, as I have called for radical departures from the destruction of Vietnam, many persons have questioned me about the wisdom of my path. At the heart of their concerns this query has often loomed large and loud: Why are you speaking about the war, Dr. King? Why are you joining the voices of dissent? Peace and civil rights don’t mix, they say. Aren’t you hurting the cause of your people, they ask. And when I hear them, though I often understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless greatly saddened, for such questions mean that the inquirers have not really known me, my commitment or my calling. Indeed, their questions suggest that they do not know the world in which they live. In the light of such tragic misunderstanding, I deem it of signal importance to try to state clearly why I believe that the path from Dexter Avenue Baptist Church, the church in Montgomery, Alabama, where I began my pastorate, leads clearly to this sanctuary tonight.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/0...

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#166523 Aug 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Did you hear, Congress will subsidize the ObamaCare of ..... the Congressional staff. Silly me, I thought only the poor would get subsidized ObamaCare!
Sarah Palin was Right About Obamacare
http://conservativevideos.com/2013/08/sarah-p...
The poor will be out of luck as to expanding Medicaid in most Rethug ran states Rogue; however the poor will still be subsidized via the exchanges. It’s the hospitals in those states who will be the losers.

They will all eventually come around though as they are definitely fighting an uphill battle they have no chance of winning.

Palin wouldn’t know her ass from a hole in the ground and you actually believe she has a clue to anything related to Obamacare?

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#166524 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Rogue not once work for the "government?". Does Rogue not now enjoy benefits like pension, generous health plan, etc, from said gov't?
Yes, Rogue and all of his Scooter Store tea potty buddies who’s rolling around on government financed wheels.
GP org

Brooklyn, NY

#166525 Aug 5, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Rogue and all of his Scooter Store tea potty buddies who’s rolling around on government financed wheels.
That's golden!

FUNNY!!!

ROTFL

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#166526 Aug 5, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
As if Birfoons can comprehend the statute.
Here is the statute that governed in 1961:

SEC. 322.(a) A child born outside of the United States, one or both of whose parents is at the time of petitioning for the naturalization of the child, a citizen of the United States, either by birth or naturalization, may be naturalized if under the age of eighteen years and not otherwise disqualified from becoming a citizen by reason of section 313, 314, 315, or 318 of this Act, and if residing permanently in the United States, with the citizen parent, pursuant to a lawful admission for permanent residence, on the petition of such citizen parent, upon compliance with all the provisions of this title, except that no particular period of residence or physical presence in the United States shall be required. If the child is of tender years he may be presumed to be of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.

66 Stat. 246 Sec. 322, Public Law 414 June 27, 1952.

There was no period of residency required of the child. A child born according to the Phil Berg fable would have been eligible for immediate naturalization. No need for fake birth announcements or calling in phony reports of home birth (even if that were possible).

Any reasonable person would have laughed at the fable at first glance.

After five years birfoons still don't get the fact that they never had a case.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#166527 Aug 5, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
Dunce, Obama was born in Kenya and his mother was not old enough to bestow her American citizenship on him!
That is why he was born a British citizen by his own admission.
Dismissed, NEXT!
Sorry loser.

If Obama had been born in Kenya he would have been naturalized pro forma as soon as his mother applied for his citizenship in Hawaii per Public Law 414,§ 322, June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 246. No cloak and dagger required. No Evil Grannie conspiring to hoodwink DOH. Just simple application and rubber stamp.

Duh! You're so gullible.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166529 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Your argument about not having enough units to fight in Iraq and have the National guard step in is invalid, Rogue. You had no business invading Iraq. You point is moot and out of order.
As to suicides, they are abominable. Unbearable. Your military, just like ours, read, JUST LIKE OURS, never stops lauding our fighting men and women, hiding behind them like hiding behind the flag and anthem ceremonies, but when these men and women return with post traumatic stress disorder, the Dept of Defence people and politicians, I read and hear it all over, almost always seem to ignore them and don't fund many advanced studies and treatment of PTSD. Oh, I suppose it's much cheaper when they get killed in action. No medical follow-up, no disability pension, no messy lawsuits, and best of all, and it's almost free except for the medals, they are called heroes and patriots who died for their country. All honours,(also cheap) onto them.
What's the rape/harassment figure again? 10,000 complaints per year? I've even heard stories, but can't confirm them, of class-like ghettos on board aircraft carriers - one group here, one group there and wise not to trespass or impinge on each other's territory.
"Your point is moot and out of order"? According to who? You? LMAO! Path, you're one messed up individual! Get some help, you quack!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166530 Aug 5, 2013
GP org wrote:
<quoted text>
I can understand your feelings regarding how articulate they spoke, and I agree.
However,
One was an A rated actor and snake oil salesmen. Listen to all the lies on the socialized medicine audio.
Slick Willie was a snake oil salesman.
MLK was a truth teller.
Even today in 2013 the lamestream/rightwing media never gives the whole picture about MLK.
==========
RIP Howard, A True American Patriot
Howard Zinn:“I Wish Obama Would Listen to MLK”
May 13, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/oavpvn
Legendary historian Howard Zinn joins us to talk about war, torture and the teaching of history. Zinn says Obama had Obama heeded the lessons of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., he wouldn’t be escalating US attacks abroad and increasing the size of the US military budget. We also play excerpts of the forthcoming documentary, The People Speak, featuring dramatic readings based on Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States and Voices of a People’s History of the United States.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/13/howard_...
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Don’t You Dare Conflate MLK and Obama
01/16/2013 / http://tinyurl.com/bg78byt
“Had King survived, his break with Obama would have come early.”
Back in 1964, under prodding from a BBC interviewer, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. predicted that a Black person might be elected president [8]“in 25 years or less.” Four years later, shortly before his assassination, King confided [9] to actor/activist Harry Belafonte that he had “come to believe we're integrating into a burning house." We now see that the two notions are not at all contradictory. At least some African Americans have achieved deep penetration of the very pinnacles of white power structures – integrating the White House, itself – while conditions of life for masses of Black folks deteriorate and the society as a whole falls into deep decay.
The fires lit by the “giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism” that Dr. King identified in his 1967 “Beyond Vietnam: Breaking the Silence [10]” speech are consuming the world, now stoked by a Black arsonist-in-chief. Domestic poverty hovers only a fraction of a percentage below the levels of 1965 [11], with “extreme poverty” the highest on record. Black household wealth has collapsed to one-twentieth that of whites. Today, more Black men are under the control of the criminal justice system than were slaves in the decade before the Civil War, according to Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow.
http://blackagendareport.com/print/content/do...
Thank you, but lest you forget, I was only comparing orators. Hitler was one of the greatest orator but I wouldn't compare him politically with Churchill. Oratory skills yes, but that's it.

Just one little political retort if I may. Yes, MLK may have well broken early with Obama. But one must remember that for an Afro-American to become a senator and then president, Obama had to compromise much, which was not the MLK way of doing things. But then, had Obama been uncompromising like MLK, he would not have been elected president, right? Prostitution comes to mind, but then, Gorbachev did that. Had he not, we'd still have the USSR and cold war. Had Obama not compromised or "prostituted" himself, he would not be president. As to the kind of job he's doing, well, that's another matter not relevant to oratory skills and political maneuvering.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166531 Aug 5, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
"Your point is moot and out of order"? According to who? You? LMAO! Path, you're one messed up individual! Get some help, you quack!
Then you agree that invasion of Iraq was a good thing with a happy ending. That it was worth 4,000 dead GIs, 32,000 maimed GIs, over 150,000 dead Iraqis, ruined infrastructure, and for the US, over 1.5 trillion spent. Tell me, do you think the Iraqis are better off today than they were under Saddam? Are there fewer deaths, for example? Oh, what do think of Iraqi's manner of thanking the Americans for their sacrifice by giving Russians the biggest ever oil exploration and exploitation, and also a huge export contract to the Japanese. Oh, meanwhile, not a penny in reparations and not one break in the price of a barrel. Tell me again, was it all worth it and does the word "moot" come to mind?

Try to answer by replying to each of the above points, avoiding ad hominem and profanity.
Learn to Read

United States

#166533 Aug 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>

Any reasonable person would have laughed at the fable at first glance.

...
Thus explaining why Birfoons embrace the fable. That much hatred, bigotry and ignorance doesn't mix well with reason
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166534 Aug 5, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you agree that invasion of Iraq was a good thing with a happy ending. That it was worth 4,000 dead GIs, 32,000 maimed GIs, over 150,000 dead Iraqis, ruined infrastructure, and for the US, over 1.5 trillion spent. Tell me, do you think the Iraqis are better off today than they were under Saddam? Are there fewer deaths, for example? Oh, what do think of Iraqi's manner of thanking the Americans for their sacrifice by giving Russians the biggest ever oil exploration and exploitation, and also a huge export contract to the Japanese. Oh, meanwhile, not a penny in reparations and not one break in the price of a barrel. Tell me again, was it all worth it and does the word "moot" come to mind?
Try to answer by replying to each of the above points, avoiding ad hominem and profanity.
I agreed with the invasion. Saddam had snubbed UN inspectors too many times. No war has a happy ending, you dip! Do you think Iraq sets the price for a barrel of oil? Finally, the money from their oil is going to the country, not Saddam. Hell, that in itself makes it worth it! Not to mention putting Saddam on the "warm-up" bench permanently! You're as loony as can be. LMAO!
Frank

Spokane, WA

#166536 Aug 5, 2013
GP org wrote:
<quoted text>
Baloney, Baloney, and more Baloney!
You have a Republican House that can Impeach Obama but won't because he is just doing what Bush/Cheney did for 8 years.
Obama inherited it.
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US media poodles http://tinyurl.com/2eghc8
At times, long after laying the big flagstones on the path to war, mainstream US media outlets resolve to be more independent next time. And why not? As Mark Twain commented, "It's easy to quit smoking. I've done it hundreds of times."
When the president and his team set out to prepare the media ground for war, they can rely on a repetition compulsion that's widespread in the American press. Major outlets seem unable to resist White House agenda-setting for war. Cases in point span decades, from Vietnam and the Dominican Republic to Grenada and Panama, to Iraq and Yugoslavia, to Afghanistan and Iraq again - with Iran likely to join the list next year.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/norman_so...
The biggest reason Republicans haven't impeached Obama is that they don't have enough votes. Congress may have enough votes to repeal ObamaKare,but they don't have enough votes to override an Obama veto. The only thing that Obama inherited was the ideal situation for a newly minted,extremely inexperienced occupant of the White House. All Obama had to do to be successful after the November 2008 election is follow up on his promises to get Congress to work together and to serve the best interests of our country. Obama came into office with a Democrat controlled Congress and a country in need of a facilitator,in stead Obama has spent his entire time at The White House trying to divide our country and trying to destroy our way of life. The first thing Obama did was denigrate The Constitution and fifty percent of the population,instead of keeping his promise to unite our country he has devoted all his efforts to dividing the country through a caste system,knowing full well that our country was founded by patriots who despised the European caste system.
LCN Llin

United States

#166537 Aug 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest reason Republicans haven't impeached Obama is that they don't have enough votes. Congress may have enough votes to repeal ObamaKare,but they don't have enough votes to override an Obama veto. The only thing that Obama inherited was the ideal situation for a newly minted,extremely inexperienced occupant of the White House. All Obama had to do to be successful after the November 2008 election is follow up on his promises to get Congress to work together and to serve the best interests of our country. Obama came into office with a Democrat controlled Congress and a country in need of a facilitator,in stead Obama has spent his entire time at The White House trying to divide our country and trying to destroy our way of life. The first thing Obama did was denigrate The Constitution and fifty percent of the population,instead of keeping his promise to unite our country he has devoted all his efforts to dividing the country through a caste system,knowing full well that our country was founded by patriots who despised the European caste system.
Good to see you posting, someone said you had passed on.
Remember all Republican Senators are RINOs and need to be defeated in the primaries.
Strive toward lucidity
Frank

Spokane, WA

#166538 Aug 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry loser.
If Obama had been born in Kenya he would have been naturalized pro forma as soon as his mother applied for his citizenship in Hawaii per Public Law 414,§ 322, June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 246. No cloak and dagger required. No Evil Grannie conspiring to hoodwink DOH. Just simple application and rubber stamp.
Duh! You're so gullible.
If Obama's father was a United States Citizen,Hilary Clinton never would have been able to use this controversy to try to win the primary.

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#166540 Aug 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest reason Republicans haven't impeached Obama is that they don't have enough votes. Congress may have enough votes to repeal ObamaKare,but they don't have enough votes to override an Obama veto. The only thing that Obama inherited was the ideal situation for a newly minted,extremely inexperienced occupant of the White House. All Obama had to do to be successful after the November 2008 election is follow up on his promises to get Congress to work together and to serve the best interests of our country. Obama came into office with a Democrat controlled Congress and a country in need of a facilitator,in stead Obama has spent his entire time at The White House trying to divide our country and trying to destroy our way of life. The first thing Obama did was denigrate The Constitution and fifty percent of the population,instead of keeping his promise to unite our country he has devoted all his efforts to dividing the country through a caste system,knowing full well that our country was founded by patriots who despised the European caste system.
ACTUALLY they are ALL Freemasons or Skull&Bones and in cahoots to make this "king-despot" Obama dictator of the whole earth. I hate Big Brother.

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