BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Learn to Read

Shelbyville, IN

#166228 Aug 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Did it hurt your feelings to compare Librarians to Progressives? You both make up only about 5% of the voters, don't you. And you are both likely to throw temper tantrums when you are offended too.
Librarians make up 5 percent of the voters? You'd think our libraries would be better funded

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#166229 Aug 2, 2013
Jacques,
A government can write, pass and implement any laws it wants.
But when it does so in secret to justify spying on innocent citizens without probable cause and under the color of law, that government ceases to be a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
The NSA spy scandal is a very serious blow to civil liberties and will dog President Obama for for time eternity.
loose

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166231 Aug 2, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
A government can write, pass and implement any laws it wants.
But when it does so in secret to justify spying on innocent citizens without probable cause and under the color of law, that government ceases to be a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
The NSA spy scandal is a very serious blow to civil liberties and will dog President Obama for for time eternity.
loose
I agree with all of the above. But aren't you a tad harsh to Obama? Did he implement the programme? No. Did he continue and expand it? Yes. And for that he deserves reproach. But again, don't focus on your country only. Do you think we don't do it here? We are at the moment building, as I said the other day, a HUGE installation on the outskirts of Ottawa whose sole purpose will be to intercept foreign communications only.(suuuuure) It is double in size to the building we presently now have doing that and which was inaugurated less than 10 years ago. Need for more surveillance? Exactly. You might want to check out France, UK, Germany, Australia, and so many others. And don't forget Russia and your biggest trading partner, China.

Yes, the US spies on its citizens. And it's wrong. But, they are in good, or is that bad, company.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166232 Aug 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I noticed that you did not rebut even one point in that article. Yep, attack the messenger ..... because you can not attack the message.
I'll rebut it when you give me your source that stated that Germany and Russia backed the invasion of Iraq. Remember, you've said many times that you ALWAYS supply a link. I'm sure you would not lie about that, so please do so.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166233 Aug 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Did it hurt your feelings to compare Librarians to Progressives? You both make up only about 5% of the voters, don't you. And you are both likely to throw temper tantrums when you are offended too.
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Librarians make up 5 percent of the voters? You'd think our libraries would be better funded
Got me another Libtardian. Got me another Libtardian. You totally ignore my point and go after my Red Herring?
It is obvious that I meant "Libertarians".

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166234 Aug 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I noticed that you did not rebut even one point in that article. Yep, attack the messenger ..... because you can not attack the message.
Rogue, guess I won't wait for that proof on Russia-Germany backing the invasion of Iraq. Yawn. Sigh.

Instead, I will comment on the canadafreepress.com trash. Re-read it, Rogue, because I believe you only read the "hate" headline, so pleased and excited, you cut and pasted it forthwith without reading the actual article.

There is zilch to rebut, except yes, the messenger. Remember Marshall McLuhan's "the medium is the message?" This fits right in, as to make you understand it better, one could and would say "The messenger is the message". The message gives no numbers, no facts, no sources. It is just a hate editorial that gives no proof of what it advances. Do report one factual passage from this canadafreepress. com garbage, Rogue, I dare you.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#166235 Aug 2, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt they would let him land his plane in Canada and his big rig is completely out of the question. LOL…… Besides, what would he do without his guns? Nah, he’ll probably lose himself in Alaska.
I will not be sucked into that one LTR. LOL
August 1, 2013
The reasons to doubt that Honolulu was the location of Obama’s birth are all tied to what is missing.
It begins with the absence of any eyewitness, even the women who gave birth at the supposed same time and place. No one remembers him or her even though new mothers in that era stayed in the hospital for many days after giving birth.

No photos of proud mother with newborn. Wouldn’t someone have taken one of an only child with her firstborn? Not even one photo of pregnancy,-the most dramatic event of Ann’s young life. No hospital claiming bragging rights as the place that a unique President, a Hawaiian supposedly, was born. No public hospital admissions log that the public is allowed to examine.
No “half hand written, and half typed” affidavit “vital record” in possession of the H.DoH that anyone has been allowed to examine even though a supposedly real birth certificate image is fully public, nullifying privacy concerns.

No Hawaiian official has ever referred to an original Hawaiian hospital birth certificate for Obama. No Hawaiian official has ever testified under oath as to anything about Obama’s birth record. No Hawaiian official has released a statement that wasn’t couched in carefully written, legally ambiguous language.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#166236 Aug 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, and before I forget, I'm done exchanging with you. So boring. So uninteresting. So bereft of intellectual content. I much prefer exchanging with LRS, Rogue, GB, Frank, Amnerican Lady et al. They're so much more intelligent and stimulating than boring old you. Bye bye, Learn to Read,(apt name, come to think of it), please say hello to momma for me.
Are you quitting the thread?
Nobody will miss you if you are!
Learn to Read

Shelbyville, IN

#166237 Aug 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Did it hurt your feelings to compare Librarians to Progressives? You both make up only about 5% of the voters, don't you. And you are both likely to throw temper tantrums when you are offended too.

Got me another Libtardian. Got me another Libtardian. You totally ignore my point and go after my Red Herring?
It is obvious that I meant "Libertarians".
Sorry Rouge. As I stated I generally ignore your pastes so i missed any spam you had regarding Libertarians

I can assure you that I find you to be quite disturbed but I am not at all disturbed by your pastes

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166238 Aug 2, 2013
gp org wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you out of your mind?
Are these British Generals all liberals?
I THINK NOT!
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Ret. U.K. Army Head Slams U.S. Iraq Policy
Calls Invasion Planners "Intellectually Bankrupt," Says Washington Relies Too Heavily On Military / LONDON, Sept. 1, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/28wslj
(CBS/AP) The head of the British army during the Iraq invasion described former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's approach as "intellectually bankrupt," according to comments published Saturday.
Gen. Sir Mike Jackson, who retired in August 2006 as chief of the general staff, said Rumsfeld was "one of those most responsible for the current situation in Iraq," in excerpts from an autobiography, "Soldier," that were published by The Daily Telegraph.
He writes that Rumsfeld refused to deploy enough troops following the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime to maintain law and order, and rejected the State Department's plans for post-invasion administration of the country. Jackson is also critical of President Bush for handing control of post-invasion Iraq to the Pentagon. "All the planning carried out by the State Department went to waste," he writes.
For Rumsfeld and his supporters "it was an ideological article of faith that the coalition soldiers would be accepted as a liberating army," Jackson wrote.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/01/wor...
Brigadier Nigel R.F. Aylwin-Foster, British Army
U.S. Army Transformation needs to focus less on warfighting and more on developing a genuinely adaptive workforce. Dec. 2005 - Jan. 2006
http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Ar...
2nd Retired British General Slams US
September 2, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2bjqwk
Then-deputy British General Tim Cross, right, seen with Retired U.S. Lt. General Jay Garner in 2003, slammed the U.S. on Iraq a day after criticism made by the general who led the British army during the invasion.
LONDON - A second retired British general slammed the United States over its Iraq policy, saying in a newspaper interview published Sunday that it had been "fatally flawed."
Maj. Gen. Tim Cross, the most senior British officer involved in the postwar planning, said he had raised serious concerns about the possibility of Iraq falling into chaos but said former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dismissed the warnings.
"Right from the very beginning we were all very concerned about the lack of detail that had gone into the postwar plan and there is no doubt that Rumsfeld was at the heart of that process," Cross said in the Sunday Mirror newspaper.
The comments come a day after the release of critical comments made by the general who led the British army during the Iraq invasion.
Retired Gen. Sir Mike Jackson also singled out Rumsfeld for criticism, saying his approach to the invasion was "intellectually bankrupt," according to quotes excerpted from his autobiography and published by The Daily Telegraph Saturday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20555490/
Sorry, but facts are not accepted in birfoon/birhterland. They deal in hate phantasms and actually believe what they invent.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166239 Aug 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll rebut it when you give me your source that stated that Germany and Russia backed the invasion of Iraq. Remember, you've said many times that you ALWAYS supply a link. I'm sure you would not lie about that, so please do so.
You lie again. I never say "always" about anything. Generalizes ALMOST never correct. There are ALMOST ALWAYS exception to the any rule.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166240 Aug 2, 2013
Oh, I have read military intelligents reports. For instance almost always before every Spring thaws the North Koreans go on military maneuvers and so does the South. Then in the Fall, right after the hard freeze, they both do it again. Do you know why?
Two reasons. One is after the Spring thaw and before the hard freeze, the farmers are hard at work tending their crops. The other thing is that vehicles are not as likely to get bogged down when everything is frozen.
And I have read Intel reports that the North was doing some military maneuver during thew warm months and almost always Intel will add that this is not NORMAL and they have no idea why they are doing that.
It has been over thirty years since I was last in S. Korea and I can assume that they are still doing those same things. But I will never be 100% sure!!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166241 Aug 2, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you quitting the thread?
Nobody will miss you if you are!
Where did I even hint that? Dream on.

Little scenario for you, a birhter-like one :

1961, Kenya, Obama's new mother : "OMG, why did I give birth here? Now Barack won't be eligible to be President of the United States, oh no, he'll never forgive me, what was I thinking travelling 12,000 miles, 4 connections, 6 different planes, 9 months' pregnant"

Friend : "Yes, you're right. He's the future president. Got everything going for him. Born in Kenya, non-American father, BLACK, omg, and not particularly rich or well-connected, Yes, for sure, got everything going for him. Oh, I got it. Let's right now phone the two Honolulu dailies (they did have phones in Kenya, then, right?) and tell them your boy was born in Honolulu. They'll publish them, and we can have the birth records recorded at the hospital. All you have to do, and it shouldn't be too difficult, is cut the umbilical cord, there, done, get up, get dressed, take the baby, get $5,000 +, buy a plane ticket, fly right now to Hawaii with your paperless baby, 6 stops where you have to go through police, thence enter the US through customs and immigration with your new paperless or almost so, that should be a cinch, sneak into the hospital, bribe someone who will give you a room and help you fake the birth. Now, how easy can that be?

And so it came that this usurper, this Kenyan, illegally became president of the United States of America.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166243 Aug 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You lie again. I never say "always" about anything. Generalizes ALMOST never correct. There are ALMOST ALWAYS exception to the any rule.
OMG, the things you will resort to to hide how wrong and fabricator you are.

Earlier on, it was "I don't have to prove they agree, YOU prove they didn't". If I had faces available, this one would show wide-open eyes and mouth, hair standing on end. But better yet, when confronted with "you wrote you ALWAYS supplied links", you incredibly respond "I never say "always" about anything. Generalizes ALMOST never correct. There are ALMOST ALWAYS exception to the any rule." If you had not written those two absurdities, no one would believe me.

When you're wrong, when you've been caught inventing stuff, just say so, it's the honourable thing to do. And then we just go about our affairs and forget it - until the next time, lol.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#166244 Aug 2, 2013
And Rogue, when you state that Germany and Russia agreed to the invasion of Iraq, you HAVE to give some kind of proof, of evidence. That kind of statement HAS to be backed up, as it is so important.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#166245 Aug 2, 2013
Jacques,
The fact that President Obama wants to spread the blame of betrayal by telling Americans that every member of Congress was briefed on the top secrecy of their spying on innocent citizens makes them as guilty as sin too.
A lot of people are mad as hellfire. And it does not take a Harvard Law degree to understand the Constitution of the United States and when it has been broken.
gp org

Brooklyn, NY

#166246 Aug 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but facts are not accepted in birfoon/birhterland. They deal in hate phantasms and actually believe what they invent.
Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, Beck, O'Lielly, Hannity, etc will all fail miserably if they took a polygraph test and still would convince their believers a liberal administered the test therefore it is not valid.

ROTFL

LOL

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Truth Is for 'Liberals'
Here we are, five and a half years into the Bush Administration, and the press corps still hasn't figured out how to handle the White House's primary tactic of media management: lying./ June 26, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/l3b978d
During George W. Bush's first term, reporters had a powerful confluence of motivations for their difficulty in calling the President to task. First was tradition; mere journalists lacked the authority to call a President a liar. Second, post-9/11 they were intimidated by Bush's McCarthyite with-us-or-ag'in-us rhetoric as well as by a bloodthirsty right-wing punditocracy.(New York Times White House reporter Elisabeth Bumiller admitted that she and her colleagues found it "frightening to stand up there," and "no one wanted to get into an argument with the President at this very serious time.")
Because the mainstream media make a fetish of a particularly brainless form of objectivity, the Bush Administration has been able to deceive the American public on a dizzying array of issues, from war to economics to science to, well, you name it. Lying has usually damaged the Presidents who do it, as I argued in my book When Presidents Lie: A History of Official Deception and Its Consequences. But the media proved so timid in the face of this Administration's deceptions that the reckoning was delayed long enough for Bush to squeak into a second term.
http://www.thenation.com/article/truth-libera...

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Pundits, Politics, and Plutocracy
The Death of Reality and the Origins of Cynicism
July 9, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/mgfevb3
There’s a new axis of evil in town consisting of: 1) the uber rich and powerful; 2) the massive lobbying/think tank/media establishment they fund; and 3) the politicians they’ve bought – from both parties.
We the people are the casualties.
This axis uses fear, distraction and wedge issues to change the national discussion from what people care most about, and what will affect us most, to ancillary issues. For example, the Koch brothers-funded ALEC is spewing out venomous anti-abortion legislation, just when the Fourth Amendment is being trashed, our pockets picked and our future destroyed.
Let’s look at some of the distorted discussions going on right now, and the reality behind them./ http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/07/09
gp org

Brooklyn, NY

#166247 Aug 2, 2013
"OutFoxed": How Rupert Murdoch Is Destroying American Journalism
A review of Robert Greenwald's new documentary investigating the Fox News Channel./ July 10, 2004 / http://tinyurl.com/5wwwr
As "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore's powerful indictment of the Bush Administration, is influencing millions of Americans in the heartland, "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism," a devastating new documentary that exposes Bush's biggest cheerleader opens this week in New York and San Francisco and will be featured in thousands of house parties across the country, sponsored by MoveOn.org on Sunday, July 18th.

"Outfoxed" demonstrates in painful detail how one media empire, making full use of the public airwaves, can reject any semblance of fairness or perspective, and serve as the mouthpiece of right-wing conservatives, fully relishing its role. Media critic Jeffrey Chester describes the Fox News operation most succinctly in the film: "Fox News Channel is a 24/7 commercial for the conservatives and the Republican Party."
http://www.alternet.org/story/19199/

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STUDY: Watching FOX News Makes You Stupid

Dec. 12, 2010

http://www.businessinsider.com/extended-expos...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#166248 Aug 2, 2013
gp org wrote:
"OutFoxed": How Rupert Murdoch Is Destroying American Journalism
A review of Robert Greenwald's new documentary investigating the Fox News Channel./ July 10, 2004 / http://tinyurl.com/5wwwr
As "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore's powerful indictment of the Bush Administration, is influencing millions of Americans in the heartland, "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism," a devastating new documentary that exposes Bush's biggest cheerleader opens this week in New York and San Francisco and will be featured in thousands of house parties across the country, sponsored by MoveOn.org on Sunday, July 18th.
"Outfoxed" demonstrates in painful detail how one media empire, making full use of the public airwaves, can reject any semblance of fairness or perspective, and serve as the mouthpiece of right-wing conservatives, fully relishing its role. Media critic Jeffrey Chester describes the Fox News operation most succinctly in the film: "Fox News Channel is a 24/7 commercial for the conservatives and the Republican Party."
http://www.alternet.org/story/19199/
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STUDY: Watching FOX News Makes You Stupid
Dec. 12, 2010
http://www.businessinsider.com/extended-expos...
You know, when one station causes such a ruckus, they must be doing something right! As in,#1! The title of this so-called "study" sounds like something that bonehead Chris Mathews would come up with. Michael Moore? Please! What a pig! And to think you loony lefties tune in each night with paper cup in hand. What's your favorite? Communist News Network? Most Skewed News Broadcasting Channel? All Barack Channel? Or perhaps, the Continuous Bullchit System?
gp org

Brooklyn, NY

#166249 Aug 2, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You know, when one station causes such a ruckus, they must be doing something right! As in,#1! The title of this so-called "study" sounds like something that bonehead Chris Mathews would come up with. Michael Moore? Please! What a pig! And to think you loony lefties tune in each night with paper cup in hand. What's your favorite? Communist News Network? Most Skewed News Broadcasting Channel? All Barack Channel? Or perhaps, the Continuous Bullchit System?
My preference is Independent Media which is liberal/progressive.

Moore is a truth teller and Matthews is a corporate hack prostitute.

You need to learn the difference.

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Do local owners deliver more localism?
July / 2004 /
http://transition.fcc.gov/ownership/materials...

Senator Boxer exposes FCC Cover up
http://tinyurl.com/odhr6


Lawyer Says FCC Ordered Study Destroyed
9/14/2006 / http://tinyurl.com/k2pvjv8
WASHINGTON (AP)— The Federal Communications Commission ordered its staff to destroy all copies of a draft study that suggested greater concentration of media ownership would hurt local TV news coverage, a former lawyer at the agency says.
The report, written in 2004, came to light during the Senate confirmation hearing for FCC Chairman Kevin Martin.
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. received a copy of the report "indirectly from someone within the FCC who believed the information should be made public," according to Boxer spokeswoman Natalie Ravitz.
Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that "every last piece" of the report be destroyed. "The whole project was just stopped — end of discussion," he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC's Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said.
In a letter sent to Martin on Wednesday, Boxer said she was "dismayed that this report, which was done at taxpayer expense more than two years ago, and which concluded that localism is beneficial to the public, was shoved in a drawer."
In the letter, Boxer asked whether any other commissioners "past or present" knew of the report's existence and why it was never made public. She also asked whether it was "shelved because the outcome was not to the liking of some of the commissioners and/or any outside powerful interests?"
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washingto...

FCC buried evidence to protect big media
http://tinyurl.com/m4wxt
http://www.stopbigmedia.com/blog/...

Why Did the FCC Bury Studies on Media Consolidation?
September 20, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/mvzq9wu
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/20/why_did...

Cover-Up: FCC Bureaucrat Buried Evidence to Protect Friends in Big Media / September 13, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/k8w33qc
We have just learned that former FCC Chairman Michael Powell buried a federal study that found media consolidation was harmful to local news reporting.

Powell suppressed the 2004 study to protect the interests of his friends in the corporate media lobby. It revealed that locally owned stations produced more local news than those owned by media giants -- such as ABC/Disney, Fox Television, Viacom and Sinclair Broadcast Group..

Free Press received the secret study today after it was leaked to Congress. News of the cover-up comes at a time when Powell's successor, Chairman Kevin Martin, seeks to hand over control of more local news outlets to massive media conglomerates.

Powell commissioned the study in hopes it would show that consolidated ownership didn't negatively impact local communities. The Associated Press reported Wednesday afternoon that upon seeing the results, Powell ordered that "every last piece" of the study be destroyed.
http://mediacitizen.blogspot.com/2006/09/cove...

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