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BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#165130 Jul 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Ah, but why was George Zimmerman even arrested? No probable cause, no arrest!!! Zimmerman was tried based on public opinion, and nothing more. For the very same reason Bill Clinton was not convicted during his impeachment trial and why he was never indicted.
Again, show me another CRIMINAL CASE were a defendant is allowed to sign a CONSENT DECREE?!?
Thank you for proving my point Rouge.

If there had been sufficient evidence to convict Clinton, there would have been no consent decree. No conviction, loser.
wojar wrote:
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Sorry loser, but you wish to believe that because Bill Clinton was charged according to an indictment it means he was guilty but although George Zimmerman was charged, he was not guilty.
This is a prime example of Rouge Logic™. To be charged but not convicted means guilty if Rouge doesn't like the defendant, but it means innocent if he likes the defendant. Pure birtherism. Obama is not natural born because birfoons do not like the President.
I'll never forget when I was a 17-year old kid umpiring Babe Ruth League games. When there was a close play at first base, half the crowd thought the batter was safe and half thought he was out. What determined most people's perception was which team they were rooting for rather than objective reality.

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#165131 Jul 21, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
Off to bed. Tomorrow ,to Mont Tremblant for a week of doing nothing.
Justice LRS wrote:
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How's that any different than anyother week for you? Sleep tight lil slothman.
The Abondance en fête looks like a good place for a pedophile to hook up.

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#165132 Jul 21, 2013
It is sad to see a bunk of legless frogs on crutches!

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#165133 Jul 22, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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Guess what...Clinton never committed a crime either...by your own standards.
Prove he knew he was lying.
See how that works?
Prove Bill Clinton was lying about sex with Monica Lewinsky? Why was Bill found in contempt of court? Ah, selective memory, it's a Libtardian thing!

Judge Finds Clinton in Contempt of Court
By Roberto Suro and Joan Biskupic
Washington Post Staff Writers, April 13, 1999;

A federal judge yesterday held President Clinton in contempt of court for giving "intentionally false" testimony about his relationship with Monica S. Lewinsky in the Paula Jones lawsuit, marking the first time that a sitting president has been sanctioned for disobeying a court order.
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In finding that Clinton deliberately lied in the Jones deposition and his written answers to questions posed by her lawyers, Wright ordered Clinton to pay "any reasonable expenses, including attorneys' fees, caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders." Wright also said Clinton should repay the $1,202 she incurred in traveling to Washington at Clinton's request to oversee the deposition and said she was referring the matter to state judicial authorities in Arkansas who could disbar Clinton for violating the legal profession's rules of conduct.
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.....After Jones appealed the dismissal, Clinton settled the lawsuit for $850,000 last November, just as Congress began impeachment proceedings.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics...

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#165134 Jul 22, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
A real speech from a REAL Republican!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =FqAF-Alc7CMXX
Outstanding.
Both Ron and Rand Paul are Libertarians who are in the Republican Party. As them, they will tell you that as they know if you are not in either the Democrat or Republican Parties, you are not likely to be elected to Congress.
Yes, I believe in about 90% of their economics but I am a moderate when it comes to Social and Religious issues.

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#165135 Jul 22, 2013
Hummmm, the Shanghai Composite dropped 1% this morning. Doesn't look good for the American markets when they open later today.

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#165136 Jul 22, 2013
His birth certificate is a poor job done in Photoshop. If he had nothing to hide why are his college records locked? Because they show him as a foreign exchange student?

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#165137 Jul 22, 2013

“Arm the homeless!”

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The internet

#165138 Jul 22, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Prove Bill Clinton was lying about sex with Monica Lewinsky? Why was Bill found in contempt of court? Ah, selective memory, it's a Libtardian thing!
Judge Finds Clinton in Contempt of Court
By Roberto Suro and Joan Biskupic
Washington Post Staff Writers, April 13, 1999;
A federal judge yesterday held President Clinton in contempt of court for giving "intentionally false" testimony about his relationship with Monica S. Lewinsky in the Paula Jones lawsuit, marking the first time that a sitting president has been sanctioned for disobeying a court order.
.....
In finding that Clinton deliberately lied in the Jones deposition and his written answers to questions posed by her lawyers, Wright ordered Clinton to pay "any reasonable expenses, including attorneys' fees, caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders." Wright also said Clinton should repay the $1,202 she incurred in traveling to Washington at Clinton's request to oversee the deposition and said she was referring the matter to state judicial authorities in Arkansas who could disbar Clinton for violating the legal profession's rules of conduct.
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.....After Jones appealed the dismissal, Clinton settled the lawsuit for $850,000 last November, just as Congress began impeachment proceedings.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics...
Prove he knew he was lying. You have already established that not speaking the truth doesn't mean you are lying.

Bill very well could have believed every word he wrote.

Was he convicted?

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#165140 Jul 22, 2013
This is how you handle the "new black panthers"



Notice the difference in their facial expressions before and after.

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#165141 Jul 22, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Both Ron and Rand Paul are Libertarians who are in the Republican Party. As them, they will tell you that as they know if you are not in either the Democrat or Republican Parties, you are not likely to be elected to Congress.
Yes, I believe in about 90% of their economics but I am a moderate when it comes to Social and Religious issues.
If you look at what republicans were before they integrated with the democrats...you will find that Ron is more republican than anyone else in that building...Rand falls short.

Jefferson created a nearly perfect system.

It isn't that hard to check the constitution to see if what you are doing is right or wrong. More importantly...if you have the power to take any action at all.

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#165142 Jul 22, 2013
10 things conservatives forgot about Regan.

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR,“Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.”“Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion,“roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980&#8242;s did little help them.“Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

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#165143 Jul 22, 2013
6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.”“This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.

9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”

10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.
Conservatives seem to be in such denial about the less flattering aspects of Reagan; it sometimes appears as if they genuinely don’t know the truth of his legacy. Yesterday, when liberal activist Mike Stark challenged hate radio host Rush Limbaugh on why Reagan remains a conservative hero despite raising taxes so many times, Limbaugh flew into a tirade and demanded,“Where did you get this silly notion that Reagan raised taxes?”

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#165144 Jul 22, 2013
Appears this didn't go through the first time.

10 things conservatives erased from their memories about Regan.

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR,“Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.”“Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion,“roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980&#8242;s did little help them.“Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#165145 Jul 22, 2013
El Cid wrote:
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Well dah, Why don't you ask the person who posted the video on Youtube?
Banned except for YouTube is not much of a ban Cid.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#165146 Jul 22, 2013
El Cid wrote:
El Cid wrote:
Slowly the world turns as the IRS scandal creeps slowly towards the White House. How many scandals does the White House currently have? I gave up trying to count when I ran out of fingers and toes and everyone knows we Conservatives can't count beyond 24.<quoted text>
There are over 6,000 lawsuits just about Obamacare! The Obama administration will go down as the most sued administration in history .... times ten!
Well the WAPO reports dozens but no doubt you have superior intel Cid..

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#165147 Jul 22, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The tragic death of an average 17 year old child was just that;a tragedy. Obama and others are using this tragic accident as a political tool. Trayvon Martin was an average 17 year old,as a 17 year old, Barack Obama was a privileged youth attending an extremely expensive,exclusively private school in Hawaii,would go on to another exclusive and expensive school in California and would later attend Columbia and Harvard. Obama has been coddled his entire life. How can Obama claim to compare himself to the average youth of today?
You’re a fool Frank. Obama’s grandparents were not the Romney’s. They were as middle class as any middle class family. They sacrificed a great deal to put Obama through school and as Obama has said he just finished paying off his student loans right before he became president.

But again you missed the rationale behind racial profiling. The racial profiler has no idea what school you attended nor does he care. He’s profiling you because of your race. It would have made no difference to Zimmerman had Travon been an undercover police officer.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#165148 Jul 22, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama with the help of the mass media has been able to stifle all 32 scandals of this administration that would have toppled most other administrations,and yet he was able to get re-elected. Reminds me of Clinton.
32 scandals Frank? Obviously Obama was re-elected because the majority of the electorate is reality based. Fox and Issa’s fantasyland notwithstanding

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#165150 Jul 22, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Pfft. Go back to the crack house groidboi.
Now now Mr. Liars, you know you campaigned for Duke in the 91 governor’s race where much like Romney he won his constituency but lost the race. 55 percent of the white vote. That’s generally what happens when those are the only folks you woo.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#165151 Jul 22, 2013
BlackTop70 wrote:
His birth certificate is a poor job done in Photoshop. If he had nothing to hide why are his college records locked? Because they show him as a foreign exchange student?
Obama's birth certificate is not forged. Birthers have not shown all the experts who way that it is not forged, nor have they told the fundamental fact that the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed that ALL the facts on the copy of the birth certificate that the White House has put online are exactly the same as on what they sent him.(And birther sites have not even told their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---and in those days very few 18-year-olds did. Nor have they told their readers how very very few women traveled out of the USA in the last two months of pregnancy in 1961---due to the high risk of stillbirth) Why should anyone rational believe sites that do not tell their readers such fundamental facts and have lied about Obama's grandmother saying he was born in Kenya (when she actually said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii).

Why should rational people believe sites that have lied when there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a passport, and when the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that they say that Obama was born in Honolulu?

Re: "If he had nothing to hide why are his college records locked? Because they show him as a foreign exchange student?"

Answer: Obama's college records are not "locked" or "sealed" They are covered under the normal federal and state privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show their college records either---and their records are covered under the same privacy laws. And previous presidents did no show their college records either. Finally, the "foreign exchange student" story comes from an April Fool's article originally posted on April 1, 2009---there has never been any confirmation of that made-up story. Obama received US government federal student LOANS, which are available only to US citizens and not to foreigners at all.

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