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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163833 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, you rob a Post Office, and kill a customer while doing so, you will be tried in a FEDERAL court for the robbery and in a State court for the murder.
If a bank is FDIC insured and it is robbed, the robber is not tried in federal court of the robbery itself, but for stealing federally insured money!
Bill Clinton was not impeached for having sex with Monica but for obstruction of justice.
Anyone who grew up in the 1960s and watched agent Carl Erskine on "The FBI" on TV knows that.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not double jeopardy violation according to the Supreme Court.
C.f., Jerome v. United States, 318 U.S. 101,(1943)("it should be noted that the double jeopardy provision of the Fifth Amendment does not stand as a bar to federal prosecution though a state conviction based on the same acts has already been obtained. See United States v. Lanza, 260 U. S. 377; Hebert v. Louisiana, 272 U. S. 312.")

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163834 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you do? You still haven't figured out what crime George Zimmerman committed!
I said Zimmerman's actions provoked Martin. Whenever Rouge sees "provoked" he hallucinates "crime".

And if Zimmerman tried to hold Martin at the scene (rather than punching), instigating the fight, he'll never tell. The fact is no one (except perhaps Zimmerman) knows what happened.

But Zimmerman's hands are not clean and I have no doubt Rouge will never comprehend why.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163835 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not liking? I have no problem with the verdict.
BTW, I never said there was evidence of a hate crime.
What I did say was that DOJ might continue investigating making GZ's life miserable and that they can be vindictive SOBs.
Now how does that appear I don't "like" the verdict.
In fact if GZ had been found guilty and given only 10 years I would have felt sorry for the stupid schlump. He really didn't understand how inappropriate it is for a neighborhood watch volunteer to pursue fantasy suspects with a gun. He was playing cops & robbers, but Martin's only real life was ended. Martin should have avoided confrontation. He could have easily outrun Zimmerman. Martin was not without fault, but he didn't deserve to be picked on and shot dead by an adult. If Zimmerman does this again, I doubt the jury will be forgiving.
<quoted text>
Really, your reading comprehension is dismal.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#163836 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hummm, WTF? What do tanks have to do with football? What do tanks have to do with civil unrest? I seriously doubt that they ordered tanks for the world cup.
There are a lot of bad actors in that part of the world and they are not going to wait until a football game to start things. Methinks the writer is just trying to get a name for himself for connecting the dots ,,,,,,, where there are NO DOTS!
Qatar set to purchase 118 tanks to prepare for 2022 World Cup Mike Prindiville Jul 14, 2013,
Qatar is set to purchase 118 Leopard tanks and 16 tank howitzers from Germany in preparation for hosting the 2022 World Cup.
German newspaper Bild am Sonntag made the announcement Sunday claiming the oil-rich nation will pay several billion dollars to German defense manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and defense tech group Rheinmetall.
The deal comes after the government of German Chancellor Angela Merkel approved the initial purchase of 62 Leopard tanks and 24 howitzers this past spring.
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/14...
That is easy...

They need the Howitzers to cut down troop columns marching on the Soccer match.

They need 62 Leopard tanks to drown out the gaddamn Vuvuzela.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163837 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Umm, I said Zimmerman actions could be viewed as provocation. Nothing about Z violating statute by following.
BTW, genius, Zimmerman was tried because the prosecution cleared the probable cause hurdle. That's how it works.
Nevertheless, trial by jury is not germane to my comment, which pointed out that the jury has nothing to do with immunity under 776.032 or any reimbursement for fees and expenses related to the trial.
Zimmerman is not entitled to expenses and fees under 776.032 and the jury has nothing to do with that.
Do you think you can ever stay on point?
<quoted text>
Are you a complete idiot? He was charged because the clowns in D.C. pressured the authorities to do so! Plain and simple.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163838 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's how the Republicans designed it in the early 1990s.
I bet you can not explain that either.
From a guy who does not know that calling a small tree a bush is not a lie.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163840 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you do? You still haven't figured out what crime George Zimmerman committed!
Following innocent kids while playing policeman is not a crime, but it is sick. Zimmerman violated neighborhood watch rules, not a crime, but stupid and behavior consistent with an unbalanced creep.

We will never know who instigated the physical confrontation so it will never be established that Zimmerman assaulted Martin (and you don't have to throw a punch to assault) or vice versa.

All that can be said is that there was reasonable doubt of Zimmerman's guilt. He may have committed a crime before the fact, maybe not. "Not guilty" is not an endorsement.

Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163841 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If a 17 year old teen in excellent shape is being followed by a fat slob, he/she should run.
Is being a fat slob a crime these days?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163842 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I said Zimmerman's actions provoked Martin. Whenever Rouge sees "provoked" he hallucinates "crime".
And if Zimmerman tried to hold Martin at the scene (rather than punching), instigating the fight, he'll never tell. The fact is no one (except perhaps Zimmerman) knows what happened.
But Zimmerman's hands are not clean and I have no doubt Rouge will never comprehend why.
Actually, his hands are clean! That's the POINT you cannot grasp! Grow at least one frickin' brain cell, please.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163843 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you do? You still haven't figured out what crime George Zimmerman committed!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I said Zimmerman's actions provoked Martin. Whenever Rouge sees "provoked" he hallucinates "crime".
And if Zimmerman tried to hold Martin at the scene (rather than punching), instigating the fight, he'll never tell. The fact is no one (except perhaps Zimmerman) knows what happened.
But Zimmerman's hands are not clean and I have no doubt Rouge will never comprehend why.
Ah, but does "looking" at someone constitutes a provocation to assault them? It is funny that you Libtards do not think it is a provocation to get in someones face but think someone walking fifty feet behind you is?
Before Gabriel Giffords shooting, you Libtards thought it was fun to egg someone but if someone thought it was a rock being thrown at them, they did not have the right to defend themselves. Well, today you act weird towards a politician, you might get jumped by people.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163844 Jul 14, 2013
On March 1, 2005 I was on Carnival's Conquest and sitting one table from Michael Reagan when a drunk approached his table with his arm out, pointing at him and he stuttered, "You're, you're, you're" and I was getting ready to tackle him he said, "you're Michael Reagan. May I shake your hand"? And that was when I knew he was a friendly drunk.
But I would have tackled him to protect the people at the table next to me.
Oh, Mike's wife is over six feet tall. She got a kick out of my Clinton money.
slick.com

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163845 Jul 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a complete idiot? He was charged because the clowns in D.C. pressured the authorities to do so! Plain and simple.
If that were true, then the affidavit of probable cause would have been found insufficient during pre-trial pleadings and the case would have been dismissed. The record shows that there was probable cause for the charges and you will note that the case did go to trial by jury.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Umm, I said Zimmerman actions could be viewed as provocation. Nothing about Z violating statute by following.
BTW, genius, Zimmerman was tried because the prosecution cleared the probable cause hurdle. That's how it works.
Nevertheless, trial by jury is not germane to my comment, which pointed out that the jury has nothing to do with immunity under 776.032 or any reimbursement for fees and expenses related to the trial.
Zimmerman is not entitled to expenses and fees under 776.032 and the jury has nothing to do with that.
Do you think you can ever stay on point?
Pdamerica org

Sayville, NY

#163846 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Only in America does anyone call it Soccer! You don't get out much, do you?
Oh, in German they call it "fussball", the Spanish cal it "futball" and the French call it "ballon".
Now Tootzie, can you name us another country which calls it "soccer"?
Oh, you do know that if you dye your hair (on your head) brunet, you will raise your IQ by ten points!
I thought you were an American?

Americans call it Soccer and you referred to it as Football.

I bet you still call Freedom Fries, French Fries.

LOL

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163847 Jul 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Is being a fat slob a crime these days?
Indeed, it is not a crime to be a demented sick pathetic wimp fat slob.

Neither is being a moron, moron.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If a 17 year old teen in excellent shape is being followed by a fat slob, he/she should run.
Pdamerica org

Sayville, NY

#163849 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
If they destroyed America, what is Obama the president over?
Obama works for the same wealthy few that Reagan, The Bush's and Clinton worked for.

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Harry S. Truman

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163850 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you do? You still haven't figured out what crime George Zimmerman committed!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Following innocent kids while playing policeman is not a crime, but it is sick. Zimmerman violated neighborhood watch rules, not a crime, but stupid and behavior consistent with an unbalanced creep.
We will never know who instigated the physical confrontation so it will never be established that Zimmerman assaulted Martin (and you don't have to throw a punch to assault) or vice versa.
All that can be said is that there was reasonable doubt of Zimmerman's guilt. He may have committed a crime before the fact, maybe not. "Not guilty" is not an endorsement.
Hummm, it is not sick for a neighborhood watch person to follow a suspect while on the phone with a police dispatcher while waiting for an officer to question him.
Again, Trayvon ASSAULTED GZ without sufficient provocation and GZ had every right to defend himself and that is what the jury ruled.
And no, they did not have probable case to arrest him. And even if they did have "probable cause" to arrest him, they would have to have a "preponderance of the evidence" to file a criminal charge against him and "beyond a reasonable doubt" to convict him.
And you still have never explain what "probable cause" they had that GZ had no right to self defence! NONE!!!
Again, in any state, they can not arrest anyone without probable cause and here in Florida, the lack of self defence must be considered FIRST!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163851 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you do? You still haven't figured out what crime George Zimmerman committed!
<quoted text>
Ah, but does "looking" at someone constitutes a provocation to assault them? It is funny that you Libtards do not think it is a provocation to get in someones face but think someone walking fifty feet behind you is?
Before Gabriel Giffords shooting, you Libtards thought it was fun to egg someone but if someone thought it was a rock being thrown at them, they did not have the right to defend themselves. Well, today you act weird towards a politician, you might get jumped by people.
Zimmerman was doing more than looking and more than walking. He was pursuing and violating universal neighborhood watch rules.

There is a **reason** for neighborhood watch rules. The Zimmerman case is an exemplar of how not to conduct a neighborhood watch.

Zimmerman isn't fit to be a dog catcher.

And rouge is waiting in line to shake Zimmerman's unclean hands.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I said Zimmerman's actions provoked Martin. Whenever Rouge sees "provoked" he hallucinates "crime".
And if Zimmerman tried to hold Martin at the scene (rather than punching), instigating the fight, he'll never tell. The fact is no one (except perhaps Zimmerman) knows what happened.
But Zimmerman's hands are not clean and I have no doubt Rouge will never comprehend why.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163852 Jul 14, 2013
And Wotard, Pooptard, Jacqueau and you other Libtardss, Why do they not arrest cops after the shoot someone? The assumption is that cops shoot only when they have to.
Now, why should a civilian get less of a consideration? We are all innocent until proven guilty and can not be arrested without "probable cause", charged without a "preponderance of the evidence" nor convicted with out "beyond a reasonable doubt".
For people who profess they have any knowledge of criminal law, you are pretty ignorant. I should have said bigots as you allow your emotions to rule over your knowledge.
Pdamerica org

Sayville, NY

#163853 Jul 14, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all Rouge...socialism and fascism are pretty much exact opposites.
Where do you think the word fascist came from Rouge?
It is extreme right wing govt.
I am sure you know a word or two for extreme liberal forms of govt.
The Nazis were all about conservatism. Bringing back traditional values and restoring the greatness of Germany.
Worse...Most were confessing Catholics. The rest were prodestant and other forms of christianity.
This is textbook Right Wing Conservatism in its finest hour.
And how were they anything but just that?
Don't just get pissed and move on...like you have the last 4 times I have asked you a question.
You seem to be the only guy on Earth who doesn't accept this reality.
Please explain yourself.
Excellent points, all.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163854 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
If they destroyed America, what is Obama the president over?
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama works for the same wealthy few that Reagan, The Bush's and Clinton worked for.
And socialism will work better? Just look at Greece, Italy and Spain. They are even more socialistic than China which has morphed into a Fascist state.

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