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Yes, I was aware that Marvin Gaye was shot and killed by his father but I was not aware of the quote from his brother. But what right did his father have to shoot him?
According to Wiki, Marvin was seated and talking to his mother when his father entered the room and shot him twice! Seems to me that that was not simple manslaughter.
I have no idea why a person would do such a thing but maybe the good Rev Marvin Gay Sr. was simply fed up and decided it was best to put junior out of his misery. Some preachers are like that you know. LOL

“All the evidence I've found is that Marvin provoked the incident because he knew what the result would be." Marvin Sr. was convicted of voluntary man-slaughter and given a six-year suspended prison sentence. Mr. Turner said Gaye helped make black music political and was one of the top five black performers of all time”
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I am calling for the impeachment of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey for the malicious prosecution of George Zimmerman. She is a wana-be-attorney general for the State of Florida and her motives for the malicious prosecution of George Zimmerman is totally political and without any legal merit.
She has caused my state to go through a tortured prosecution of a totally innocent man. If George had been a paid security guard and not a volunteer,
would he have been arrested? Certainly not if he was a police officer. But because he volunteered his time to make his neighborhood safer, he is a murderer!
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hummmm, the reason why Angela Corey got the job as Special Prosecutor is because the original state attorney was pressured to turn the investigation over to the state. He job was NOT to prosecute but to investigate.
IAW Florida's SYG law, she must first rule out self defence BEFORE she can even arrest him and she made no attempt to do that and therefore violated the law and therefore should be impeached.
Next, why does a volunteer have less rights than a police officer? Sure he can not stop and question a suspect or make an arrest but the volunteer can follow the suspect so he can tell the police were he is. Remember, GZ was on the phone with the police dispatcher for most of that time!
Again, the state prosecutor said that GZ violated no law by following Trayvon and that brings up the issue, why did Trayvon assault GZ?!? And not one of you Libtards have answered that question.
Ahh..I understand about the prosecutor now... I see where you are coming from.

If GZ did what he was supposed to do...none of this would have happened.

Observe and report. This task was completed long before he shot him.

However...this was not enough for him.

Why couldn't he have simply rolled down the window and say...

"Excuse me, young man. I am with the neighborhood watch and I am on the phone with the police. We have had some break ins lately... would you mind me asking what you are doing here?"

Why did Trayvon assault GZ?

I didn't here him identifying himself to Martin...or asking him to stop and talk with him.

Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes for a min.

You are returning from the store on foot to your home.

The guy just pulled over and eyeballed him. When Trayvon tried to put some distance between them. The man jumped out of his vehicle and started chasing him. He wasn't communicating with Trayvon and he wasn't going away.

The guy obviously wasn't running him down to return his wallet.

If it were you...I am guessing this is about the time you would be gripping your sidearm. How close would you have let him get?

Really... there are multiple things GZ...being an adult should have done differently.

And being coordinator for the watch...he knew better.

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I don't think it is right that lesser charges can be added during a trial. I know it can be an advantage for some and a disadvantage for others. Just doesn't seem right to change "mid-stream". Comments?
Well...they shot for the moon.

I don't think anyone reasonably thinks GZ intended to kill the kid. Before he got punched.

And if there is no intent...there is no 2nd degree murder.

I agree with you here.

They should have tried him for what it was...unintentional manslaughter.

Self defense is fine...unless you put yourself in the position where you would be defending yourself.

He should walk.

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Hummmm, the Pot is calling the Kettle BLACK. This is on BET!!!!
But what is also very telling that while ALL Americans consider 15% of all white to be racist, Liberals consider 27% of all whites to be racists.
And I have said this all along, Libtards are way to quick to point the racist finger at white people but ignore the racism of blacks.
Remember, you Libtards do not consider "cracker" to be a pejorative used against white people!!!

Blacks Are More Likely to Be Racist, Poll Says
A survey by Rasmussen Reports on racial attitudes paints African-Americans as holding strongly racist views.
By Jonathan P. Hicks: 07/12/2013

A new poll that looks at racial attitudes in the United States indicates that Americans believe African-Americans to be more inclined to hold racist views than white and Latino Americans.

The Rasmussen Reports poll said that 37 percent of all American adults think that most African-Americans are racist. The poll states that 15 percent consider white Americans to be racist and 18 percent believe Latino Americans to be racist.

The poll also suggests that nearly two-thirds of adults in the country believe it is possible of people of different races to have an honest an open discussion about issues involving race. Twenty percent of respondents said they did not think it was possible to have such an open conversation, with 16 percent being undecided.

The results of the survey come at a time where there have been significant national conversations and coverage of news stories where race has played a major role. This includes the trial of George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin as well as the Supreme Court decision that ended some key provisions in the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The survey represented the views of 1,000 adults and was conducted between July 1 and 2.

The results are more dramatic in relation to the ideological views of the respondents. The poll indicates that 49 percent of respondents who identify themselves as conservative consider Black Americans to be racist, with just 12 percent viewing white Americans in the same way.
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2013/07/12/b...
Among those who see themselves as liberal, 27 percent see white Americans as racist. The poll also states that 21 percent of respondents say the same of African-Americans.
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Why should you not agree with him on Liberation Theology in the Black Church issue. It is both RACIST and Marxist, your two favorite issues combined into one.
What did any of my ancestors do to black people? Oh, they are white, ergo, I am a racist and a descendant of a cracker slave master!?! To wrongs to not make Rev. Wright!!!!
And George Zimmerman is not guilty of anything ...... except for shooting a black man in self defence.
Do you enjoy your brand of crazy just for crazy sake Rogue? I know about as much black liberation theology as I do Beach-18 aircraft which is close to zilch; and I have no idea who your ancestors are let alone what they did. Try keeping your conversations based on something real Rogue.

BTW, I was baptized Catholic and as far as I know I’ve never been excommunicated.

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You said she's illegitimate, which would be ok if she was, but she's not. Why this slur?
As to Hillary and her cat, this is , minimum, 5th time. Still not funny.
I've pegged you. Fart and Belching jokes with huge breast, your kind of funny
Did I say Hillary was not married to James Reno?
Next, 99% of the people I tell my jokes to laugh and many are Liberals. It is you Progressives who have no since of humor.
If I told those same Clinton jokes about the Bushs or the Obamas, they would not be funny.
My Bush jokes are boring and I have to wait until Halloween to tell my Obama jokes because they are to damn scary!

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Do you enjoy your brand of crazy just for crazy sake Rogue? I know about as much black liberation theology as I do Beach-18 aircraft which is close to zilch; and I have no idea who your ancestors are let alone what they did. Try keeping your conversations based on something real Rogue.
BTW, I was baptized Catholic and as far as I know I’ve never been excommunicated.
Do you still practice Catholicism? If not, you have excommunicated yourself! No since in wasting the time of a Bishop to do something you have already done.

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So, what if he WAS following Trayvon. What crime is that?!? You sound mentally unstable as it was ruled over a year ago that GZ violated no law in following him and you still won't give it up.
Oh, did you hear GZ say the Trayvon was coming over to check him out?
And another point just brought out yesterday. He has left the convenience store 45 minutes earlier. Why did he not just go home? Why was he wondering around in the rain? Not that he violated any law in not going straight home but it does indicate he was just wondering around in a neighborhood that has been prone to break-ins and that would be suspicious.
I heard Zimmerman feeding the 911 operator a load of shit (which is why I believe he had every intention of shooting Martin from the start) and I also heard him say Martin took off running.

Besides Rachel Jeantel’s testimony did not jibe with what Zimmerman was telling the 911 operator except the fact that Martin noticed the creepy guy following him and took off running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Mar...

I suppose it depends on where you live when running a self-described “suspicious looking” kid down and shooting him dead is not defined as stalking.

“Stalking legal definition
Noun
A form of harassment generally comprised of repeated persistent following with no legitimate reason and with the intention of harming, or so as to arouse anxiety or fear of harm in the person being followed”
http://law.yourdictionary.com/stalking

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I heard Zimmerman feeding the 911 operator a load of shit (which is why I believe he had every intention of shooting Martin from the start) and I also heard him say Martin took off running.
Besides Rachel Jeantel’s testimony did not jibe with what Zimmerman was telling the 911 operator except the fact that Martin noticed the creepy guy following him and took off running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Mar...
I suppose it depends on where you live when running a self-described “suspicious looking” kid down and shooting him dead is not defined as stalking.
“Stalking legal definition
Noun
A form of harassment generally comprised of repeated persistent following with no legitimate reason and with the intention of harming, or so as to arouse anxiety or fear of harm in the person being followed”
http://law.yourdictionary.com/stalking
Yes, he did say Martin took off running. So, if GZ was returning to his car, how did Martin end up between him and his car?
And she did not say "creepy guy" but said "creepy CRACKER"!!! Are you trying to play down the racist remarks she was making? WHY?!?
Again, following, or you can call it stalking if you insist, is NOT a crime! And in any event, it did not give Trayvon the right to assault GZ!!!
Oh, why was GZ following Trayvon? So he could tell the cops were he went when they showed up!

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I am calling for the impeachment of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey for the malicious prosecution of George Zimmerman. She is a wana-be-attorney general for the State of Florida and her motives for the malicious prosecution of George Zimmerman is totally political and without any legal merit.
She has caused my state to go through a tortured prosecution of a totally innocent man. If George had been a paid security guard and not a volunteer,
would he have been arrested? Certainly not if he was a police officer. But because he volunteered his time to make his neighborhood safer, he is a murderer!
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hummmm, the reason why Angela Corey got the job as Special Prosecutor is because the original state attorney was pressured to turn the investigation over to the state. He job was NOT to prosecute but to investigate.
IAW Florida's SYG law, she must first rule out self defence BEFORE she can even arrest him and she made no attempt to do that and therefore violated the law and therefore should be impeached.
Next, why does a volunteer have less rights than a police officer? Sure he can not stop and question a suspect or make an arrest but the volunteer can follow the suspect so he can tell the police were he is. Remember, GZ was on the phone with the police dispatcher for most of that time!
Again, the state prosecutor said that GZ violated no law by following Trayvon and that brings up the issue, why did Trayvon assault GZ?!? And not one of you Libtards have answered that question.
"Sure he can not stop and question a suspect or make an arrest but the volunteer can follow the suspect so he can tell the police were he is."

"The suspect"? Suspected of buying the wrong brand of candy?

Mr. Zimmerman decided that Trayvon was "the suspect" for an imaginary intended crime discerned from reading Trqyvon's mind and concluding he was "up to no good". In reality Mr. Zimmerman was harassing a 17-year-old high school kid, NOT a "suspect."

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I don't think it is right that lesser charges can be added during a trial. I know it can be an advantage for some and a disadvantage for others. Just doesn't seem right to change "mid-stream". Comments?
Since second degree murder includes all the elements of manslaughter it is not changing the game mid stream. That's the reason it is allowed as it is a lesser INCLUDED offense.

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And both sides knew the lesser included offense could be brought up. O'Mara certainly was aware of that fact.

There is an analogous situation in patent practice. An anticipation rejection automatically includes an implied obviousness rejection. When representing an inventor, arguments against an anticipation rejection must also address obviousness. A practitioner who doesn't know this doesn't have any business representing clients.

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Yes, he did say Martin took off running. So, if GZ was returning to his car, how did Martin end up between him and his car?
And she did not say "creepy guy" but said "creepy CRACKER"!!! Are you trying to play down the racist remarks she was making? WHY?!?
Again, following, or you can call it stalking if you insist, is NOT a crime! And in any event, it did not give Trayvon the right to assault GZ!!!
Oh, why was GZ following Trayvon? So he could tell the cops were he went when they showed up!
"And she did not say "creepy guy" but said "creepy CRACKER"!!!"

You're quoting a third party who was not present at the scene of the crime. And that did not give Zimmerman the right to assault Trayvon.
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I heard Zimmerman feeding the 911 operator a load of shit (which is why I believe he had every intention of shooting Martin from the start) and I also heard him say Martin took off running.
Besides Rachel Jeantel’s testimony did not jibe with what Zimmerman was telling the 911 operator except the fact that Martin noticed the creepy guy following him and took off running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Mar ...
I suppose it depends on where you live when running a self-described “suspicious looking” kid down and shooting him dead is not defined as stalking.
“Stalking legal definition
Noun
A form of harassment generally comprised of repeated persistent following with no legitimate reason and with the intention of harming, or so as to arouse anxiety or fear of harm in the person being followed”
http://law.yourdictionary.com/stalking

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Hummmm, the Pot is calling the Kettle BLACK. This is on BET!!!!
But what is also very telling that while ALL Americans consider 15% of all white to be racist, Liberals consider 27% of all whites to be racists.
And I have said this all along, Libtards are way to quick to point the racist finger at white people but ignore the racism of blacks.
Remember, you Libtards do not consider "cracker" to be a pejorative used against white people!!!
Blacks Are More Likely to Be Racist, Poll Says
A survey by Rasmussen Reports on racial attitudes paints African-Americans as holding strongly racist views.
By Jonathan P. Hicks: 07/12/2013
A new poll that looks at racial attitudes in the United States indicates that Americans believe African-Americans to be more inclined to hold racist views than white and Latino Americans.
The Rasmussen Reports poll said that 37 percent of all American adults think that most African-Americans are racist. The poll states that 15 percent consider white Americans to be racist and 18 percent believe Latino Americans to be racist.
The poll also suggests that nearly two-thirds of adults in the country believe it is possible of people of different races to have an honest an open discussion about issues involving race. Twenty percent of respondents said they did not think it was possible to have such an open conversation, with 16 percent being undecided.
The results of the survey come at a time where there have been significant national conversations and coverage of news stories where race has played a major role. This includes the trial of George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin as well as the Supreme Court decision that ended some key provisions in the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
The survey represented the views of 1,000 adults and was conducted between July 1 and 2.
The results are more dramatic in relation to the ideological views of the respondents. The poll indicates that 49 percent of respondents who identify themselves as conservative consider Black Americans to be racist, with just 12 percent viewing white Americans in the same way.
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2013/07/12/b...
Among those who see themselves as liberal, 27 percent see white Americans as racist. The poll also states that 21 percent of respondents say the same of African-Americans.
BET National News - Keep up to date with breaking news stories from around the nation, including headlines from the hip hop and entertainment world. Click here to subscribe to our newsletter.
Again Rouge... Stats that are very misleading.

3.13 MILLIONTHS of 1%.... of the actual population.

This is textbook sharpshooter/no base rate fallacy.

They could just as easily have said...

"We ran into Ted at the gas station and here is his opinion."

Look at the words man....

"ALL Americans consider...."

"Liberals consider...."

"Conservatives think...."

These are vast numbers.

Not that we aren't at all shocked when BET attempts to get all sciency and fails.

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Again Rouge... Stats that are very misleading.
3.13 MILLIONTHS of 1%.... of the actual population.
This is textbook sharpshooter/no base rate fallacy.
They could just as easily have said...
"We ran into Ted at the gas station and here is his opinion."
Look at the words man....
"ALL Americans consider...."
"Liberals consider...."
"Conservatives think...."
These are vast numbers.
Not that we aren't at all shocked when BET attempts to get all sciency and fails.
To Rogue, if it is a sample 1000 people out of 310 million population, it's a valid sample if it feeds his twisted racial views. Like the poll he referred to. But if a majority, a healthy majority, elects Obama, it's fraud. If 209 courts, 535 congressmen, 9 supremes, 50 governors say Obama's BC is a valid one and he was born in Honolulu, it's simply not true and, he's said it often, Obama is a liar. As I said before, with Rogue it's winner-winner for him and loser-loser for you.

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Yes, he did say Martin took off running. So, if GZ was returning to his car, how did Martin end up between him and his car?
And she did not say "creepy guy" but said "creepy CRACKER"!!! Are you trying to play down the racist remarks she was making? WHY?!?
Again, following, or you can call it stalking if you insist, is NOT a crime! And in any event, it did not give Trayvon the right to assault GZ!!!
Oh, why was GZ following Trayvon? So he could tell the cops were he went when they showed up!
Is it ok for random stranger to just follow your kids around Rouge?

How about just following your wife, you know?

You are completely missing the point.

What the hell was he going to do?

Hold him down till the police arrived? Make sure the guy who was just walking home...didn't get away?

This kid had every right to be left the hell alone whilst he made his way home.

Why is that the furthest thing from your mind?
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"Sure he can not stop and question a suspect or make an arrest but the volunteer can follow the suspect so he can tell the police were he is."
"The suspect"? Suspected of buying the wrong brand of candy?
Mr. Zimmerman decided that Trayvon was "the suspect" for an imaginary intended crime discerned from reading Trqyvon's mind and concluding he was "up to no good". In reality Mr. Zimmerman was harassing a 17-year-old high school kid, NOT a "suspect."
And what evidence supports this ludicrous claim? None. I know when I'm just standing around, doing nothing wrong and someone begins to approach me, I turn and run. NOT!

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Since second degree murder includes all the elements of manslaughter it is not changing the game mid stream. That's the reason it is allowed as it is a lesser INCLUDED offense.
I didn't know that.

I thought manslaughter but was misinformed that it was off the table.
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Since second degree murder includes all the elements of manslaughter it is not changing the game mid stream. That's the reason it is allowed as it is a lesser INCLUDED offense.
But lesser charges are not always allowed to be added, are they? I thought it was up to the judge.

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And what evidence supports this ludicrous claim? None. I know when I'm just standing around, doing nothing wrong and someone begins to approach me, I turn and run. NOT!
Most kids in America are prone to be weary of creepy people in cars. We wouldn't be very good parents if they weren't.

The ones that stop to talk to them.

The ones that stare them down.

The ones that fuking chase them.

These guys could kidnap them or kill them.

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