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Pdamerica org

Sayville, NY

#163808 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Hummmm, to pass any budget it must first be passed by the House and YOU Democrats controlled the House for the entire eight years Reagan was in office.
But you will give Bill Clinton credit, and not Newt Gingrich, because Bill Clinton signed into law four of Newts balanced budgets!!!
As far as Bush-41 and -43, neither was a conservative. And under Bush Congress was dominated by the Democrats whereas under -43 Congress was dominated by Country Club RINOs.
You do know a lot of Conservatives, like myself, are not happy with either Bush over their fiscal policies, don't you?
For 6 out of 8 years Bush and Cheney had a Republican House, a Republican Senate, a Republican Supreme Court, Most Republican Governors, and most Republican State Houses all across America.

ZERO LIBERALS.

I hope you are also not satisfied with 12 years of Reagan/Bush.

By todays standards even Reagan was a RINO.

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Encore: United States of ALEC
November 30, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/cuwj5qy
In an encore broadcast, Moyers & Company presents “United States of ALEC,” a report on the most influential corporate-funded political force most of America has never heard of — ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. A national consortium of state politicians and powerful corporations, ALEC presents itself as a “nonpartisan public-private partnership”. But behind that mantra lies a vast network of corporate lobbying and political action aimed to increase corporate profits at public expense without public knowledge.
In state houses around the country, hundreds of pieces of boilerplate ALEC legislation are proposed or enacted that would, among other things, dilute collective bargaining rights, make it harder for some Americans to vote, and limit corporate liability for harm caused to consumers — each accomplished without the public ever knowing who’s behind it. One Wisconsin politician describes ALEC as “a corporate dating service for lonely legislators and corporate special interests.”
“United States of ALEC” is a collaboration between Okapi Productions, LLC and the Schumann Media Center, headed by Bill Moyers, which supports independent journalism and public watchdogs including the Center for Media and Democracy, whose investigators are featured in the report.
http://billmoyers.com/episode/encore-united-s...

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Pdamerica org

Sayville, NY

#163809 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hummmm, to pass any budget it must first be passed by the House and YOU Democrats controlled the House for the entire eight years Reagan was in office.
But you will give Bill Clinton credit, and not Newt Gingrich, because Bill Clinton signed into law four of Newts balanced budgets!!!
As far as Bush-41 and -43, neither was a conservative. And under Bush Congress was dominated by the Democrats whereas under -43 Congress was dominated by Country Club RINOs.
You do know a lot of Conservatives, like myself, are not happy with either Bush over their fiscal policies, don't you?
Bill Clinton and all Newt Gingrich and Senator Phil Gramm Republicans destroyed America.

And yet you still love Rightwing Rino Newt and Phil Gramm.

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McCain guru linked to subprime crisis / Republican Phil Gramm
3/28/08 / http://tinyurl.com/2ujo9b
The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil.

“A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed,” the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech.“But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework.”
Gramm’s role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices didn’t stop there.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more then $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/924...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163810 Jul 14, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Trayvon Martin swung the first punch.
Well, since there is zero evidence that George threw even one punch, you are most probably correct.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163811 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
You must mean Soccer not Football.
LOL
Only in America does anyone call it Soccer! You don't get out much, do you?
Oh, in German they call it "fussball", the Spanish cal it "futball" and the French call it "ballon".
Now Tootzie, can you name us another country which calls it "soccer"?
Oh, you do know that if you dye your hair (on your head) brunet, you will raise your IQ by ten points!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163812 Jul 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
There is zero evidence of any hate crime being committed. Remember, the Police, FBI and Grand Jury chose not to file charges. Is the NAACP planning on creating new evidence? If not, what is there to look at? The evidence was presented and a verdict rendered. Oh, toesap, what were you saying about someone not liking the verdict? Tell it to the NAACP.
Not liking? I have no problem with the verdict.

BTW, I never said there was evidence of a hate crime.

What I did say was that DOJ might continue investigating making GZ's life miserable and that they can be vindictive SOBs.

Now how does that appear I don't "like" the verdict.

In fact if GZ had been found guilty and given only 10 years I would have felt sorry for the stupid schlump. He really didn't understand how inappropriate it is for a neighborhood watch volunteer to pursue fantasy suspects with a gun. He was playing cops & robbers, but Martin's only real life was ended. Martin should have avoided confrontation. He could have easily outrun Zimmerman. Martin was not without fault, but he didn't deserve to be picked on and shot dead by an adult. If Zimmerman does this again, I doubt the jury will be forgiving.
wojar wrote:
If the Blockburger test were applied for a hate crime prosecutiion, there would not be double jeopardy as hated crime is not a lesser included offense of murder in the 2nd degree or manslaughter.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163813 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
For 6 out of 8 years Bush and Cheney had a Republican House, a Republican Senate, a Republican Supreme Court, Most Republican Governors, and most Republican State Houses all across America.
ZERO LIBERALS.
I hope you are also not satisfied with 12 years of Reagan/Bush.
By todays standards even Reagan was a RINO.
Even by today's standards,Reagan could sign into law only those that were passed by the Democrat controlled House. I bet f the Newtonian Conservative Republicans where in control of Congress, Reagan would have gotten a lot further with his Conservative agenda.
And if there were not 60 Democrats and Democrat leaning Independents in the Senate in 2009, Obamacare never would have passed!

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#163814 Jul 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Does the first amendment give you the right to wear Hitler t-shirts emblazoned with swastikas? NO. Why? Because the represent HATE and violence. Same for machine guns and Zimmerman-targeted t-shirts. First amendment rights to wear those? I think not. To go even farther to make a point, as you do not seem to understand, how about the first amendment protecting a person wearing a t-shirt that depicts a fornicating couple, and to make it even more horrible for you, two men fornicating? Would the first amendment allow that?
As a matter of fact...the first amendment DOES allow us to wear such things.

All above included.

There is no..."unless someone finds it distasteful"

The only real exception are children at a tax funded institution...like a school.

"Why?"... has never been explained to me in a satisfactory manner. But that seems to be the way it is.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163815 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
Italian senator says black minister has 'features of orangutan'
Roberto Calderoli is condemned after speech in which he also said Cécile Kyenge should work as minister 'in her country'
14 July 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/nkr5u8v
The Italian prime minister, Enrico Letta, has condemned as unacceptable comments made by a senior rightwing senator in which he suggested the country's first black government minister had "the features of an orangutan".
Cécile Kyenge, an eye surgeon who was born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo but has Italian citizenship, has faced repeated racial slurs and threats since being appointed minister for integration by Letta in April.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/14/i...
So, what does Roberto Calderoli have to do with the price of spaghetti in America? His Lega Nordm (Northern League party) has only about 5% of the seats in the Italian legislature!!!
Now, how many times have you Libtards call me a "cracker" on this forum?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#163816 Jul 14, 2013
That's right, Wojar.
I think Zimmerman followed lots of people in the past. Most of them may not have known they were being tailed. And some probably were creeped out by him but did not take a swing at the night watchman.
People get into confrontations, that is a fact of life.
Another fact of life is that when soemone takes a swing, all bets are off.
That's they way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
I'm not happy about it either.
loose

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163817 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Bill Clinton and all Newt Gingrich and Senator Phil Gramm Republicans destroyed America.
If they destroyed America, what is Obama the president over?
El Cid

Jacksonville, FL

#163818 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is Republican proven by continuing Bush/Cheney.
Bill Clinton was a Republican proven by all Newt Gingrich Republicans voted for NAFTA, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, 1996 Telecommunications, etc. etc. etc.
Both parties are destroying America.
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Some Republicans have been trying very hard to keep The Democrats from destroying our country. I think that more of them should be trying harder to stop the Obama agenda. It is going to take more than just a few conservatives to stop Obama from destroying our country it is going to take politicians from both parties AND it is going to take the will of the people to demand that our country can not be dominated by a few left wingers and a bias left media.
Ah, i thought bush destroyed Amerika!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163819 Jul 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, you who speaketh to God daily. Where does it say that in the sacred texts? That the state is to take a life.
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is talking about sacred texts besides you?
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.[Matthew 22:21]
I will allow Caesar (government) to judge people when they have violated government laws and I will allow God to judge those who have violated God's law.
In God I trust, the rest pay cash!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163820 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Coming from someone who thinks walking in the same direction as someone else is a crime, I think that is funny!!!
Using Libtardian Logic, if GZ needed to be tried because a few people think he did, we should try Obama because over 100 million Americans think we should. A JURY SHOULD DECIDE because We the People demand it!!!
Umm, I said Zimmerman actions could be viewed as provocation. Nothing about Z violating statute by following.

BTW, genius, Zimmerman was tried because the prosecution cleared the probable cause hurdle. That's how it works.

Nevertheless, trial by jury is not germane to my comment, which pointed out that the jury has nothing to do with immunity under 776.032 or any reimbursement for fees and expenses related to the trial.

Zimmerman is not entitled to expenses and fees under 776.032 and the jury has nothing to do with that.

Do you think you can ever stay on point?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The jury has nothing to do with immunity from prosecution.
RU on drugs?
Similarly, GZ cannot recover fees and expenses under 776.32.
By waiving his right for a pretrial hearing to determine immunity, and recover fees and expenses he OPTED FOR A TRIAL. It's too late for a hearing for immunity from prosecution after the fact.
What planet RU from?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#163821 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Read my azz hole, Hitler and the Nazis were left wing Socialist/Fascists. I know you are trying to rewrite history but it won't work with me.
Remember you seem to think Obama is some sort of conservative which mean to me you are an http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =b2pD0B9RfpsXX
First of all Rouge...socialism and fascism are pretty much exact opposites.

Where do you think the word fascist came from Rouge?

It is extreme right wing govt.

I am sure you know a word or two for extreme liberal forms of govt.

The Nazis were all about conservatism. Bringing back traditional values and restoring the greatness of Germany.

Worse...Most were confessing Catholics. The rest were prodestant and other forms of christianity.

This is textbook Right Wing Conservatism in its finest hour.

And how were they anything but just that?

Don't just get pissed and move on...like you have the last 4 times I have asked you a question.

You seem to be the only guy on Earth who doesn't accept this reality.

Please explain yourself.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#163822 Jul 14, 2013
"In God I trust and the rest pay cash."

Thanks for that.

It is brilliant in a twisted sort of way.

:)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163823 Jul 14, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
Mine is an open invitation for any future inquiries, that's all.
I too thought there was reasonable doubt as to what actually happened and in what order those events might have occured.
I think the jury was courageous and performed their duty admirably as was instructed by the law.
Case closed.
I agree Zimmerman was not guilty of the charges per the letter of the law but his hands are not clean. That is the shame of it.

Now what happens if Zimmerman shoots another kid?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#163824 Jul 14, 2013
....and render unto Ceasar...

is Mark 12:17

not Matthew 21:21

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#163825 Jul 14, 2013
ah...sorry they are the same verse

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163827 Jul 14, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>ObamaKare was never designed to lower the cost of health care. All of Obama agenda is designed to take money from the working person. There is no Obama agenda item that is good for Our Country or for We The People. Obama does not care about the people,he only cares about Obama.
That's how the Republicans designed it in the early 1990s.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163828 Jul 14, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
Maybe if there are any lessons to be learned by the public from the Trayvon Martin killing, one is that if someone feels they are being stalked or followed or threatened in any manner, they should immediately get on the horn to the police and notify them that someone is making them uneasy.
There are all these what if's and should have's floating around out there, mostly around Zimmerman.
Well, what if Martin had called the police himself, which he did not.
I think they both took the law into their own hands.
I wish it had not have happened.
If a 17 year old teen in excellent shape is being followed by a fat slob, he/she should run.

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