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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163853 Jul 14, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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First of all Rouge...socialism and fascism are pretty much exact opposites.
Where do you think the word fascist came from Rouge?
It is extreme right wing govt.
I am sure you know a word or two for extreme liberal forms of govt.
The Nazis were all about conservatism. Bringing back traditional values and restoring the greatness of Germany.
Worse...Most were confessing Catholics. The rest were prodestant and other forms of christianity.
This is textbook Right Wing Conservatism in its finest hour.
And how were they anything but just that?
Don't just get pissed and move on...like you have the last 4 times I have asked you a question.
You seem to be the only guy on Earth who doesn't accept this reality.
Please explain yourself.
Excellent points, all.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163854 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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If they destroyed America, what is Obama the president over?
Pdamerica org wrote:
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Obama works for the same wealthy few that Reagan, The Bush's and Clinton worked for.
And socialism will work better? Just look at Greece, Italy and Spain. They are even more socialistic than China which has morphed into a Fascist state.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163855 Jul 14, 2013
El Cid wrote:
Pdamerica org wrote:
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Obama is Republican proven by continuing Bush/Cheney.
Bill Clinton was a Republican proven by all Newt Gingrich Republicans voted for NAFTA, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, 1996 Telecommunications, etc. etc. etc.
Both parties are destroying America.<quoted text>
Ah, i thought bush destroyed Amerika!
Yes him too.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163856 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Zimmerman was doing more than looking and more than walking. He was pursuing and violating universal neighborhood watch rules.
There is a **reason** for neighborhood watch rules. The Zimmerman case is an exemplar of how not to conduct a neighborhood watch.
Zimmerman isn't fit to be a dog catcher.
And rouge is waiting in line to shake Zimmerman's unclean hands.
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Wotard, you are a F-ing liar. Show us the neighborhood watch rules or shut the f-up!!!
How do you know I am waiting to shake his hand? Where you in line to shake Pvt Manning's hand? Oh, in your sick mind Manning is a hero because it happened under Bush's watch but since Snowden did it under Obama's watch, he needs to be executed!
So, either shut up or prove your case!
But the fact will always remain, Trayvon would be alive today if he had not committed the crime of assault on GZ!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163857 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is Republican proven by continuing Bush/Cheney.
Bill Clinton was a Republican proven by all Newt Gingrich Republicans voted for NAFTA, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, 1996 Telecommunications, etc. etc. etc.
Both parties are destroying America.
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Some Republicans have been trying very hard to keep The Democrats from destroying our country. I think that more of them should be trying harder to stop the Obama agenda. It is going to take more than just a few conservatives to stop Obama from destroying our country it is going to take politicians from both parties AND it is going to take the will of the people to demand that our country can not be dominated by a few left wingers and a bias left media.
El Cid wrote:
Ah, i thought bush destroyed Amerika!
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes him too.
Him too, what two. You speak with forked brain. If country destroyed, who does Obama preside over?
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163858 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Not double jeopardy violation according to the Supreme Court.
C.f., Jerome v. United States, 318 U.S. 101,(1943)("it should be noted that the double jeopardy provision of the Fifth Amendment does not stand as a bar to federal prosecution though a state conviction based on the same acts has already been obtained. See United States v. Lanza, 260 U. S. 377; Hebert v. Louisiana, 272 U. S. 312.")
It was my understanding that once someone is acquitted he or she can never be charged again for the same crimes.

Benton v. Maryland, 395 U.S. 784 (1969),

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#163859 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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And you do? You still haven't figured out what crime George Zimmerman committed!
I really don't know what crime must be proven in order to establish probable cause. Perhaps you can tell me?
wojar wrote:
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Following innocent kids while playing policeman is not a crime, but it is sick. Zimmerman violated neighborhood watch rules, not a crime, but stupid and behavior consistent with an unbalanced creep.
We will never know who instigated the physical confrontation so it will never be established that Zimmerman assaulted Martin (and you don't have to throw a punch to assault) or vice versa.
All that can be said is that there was reasonable doubt of Zimmerman's guilt. He may have committed a crime before the fact, maybe not. "Not guilty" is not an endorsement.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163860 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is Republican proven by continuing Bush/Cheney.
Bill Clinton was a Republican proven by all Newt Gingrich Republicans voted for NAFTA, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, 1996 Telecommunications, etc. etc. etc.
Both parties are destroying America.
<quoted text>
El Cid wrote:
Ah, i thought bush destroyed Amerika!
<quoted text>
Him too, what two. You speak with forked brain. If country destroyed, who does Obama preside over?
Enclosed is a clue for you:

Newt Gingrich and his corporate Republicans work in the interest of Wall Street and NOT YOU.

Same is true of Obama/Clinton and their corporate Democrats who call themselves liberal.

That is why Single Payer was off the table with a Democratic House and a Democratic Senate.

.......... Connecting any dots Rouge ..........
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#163861 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
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It was my understanding that once someone is acquitted he or she can never be charged again for the same crimes.
Benton v. Maryland, 395 U.S. 784 (1969),
Let's say someone was kidnapped and held during a trail against someone accused and found not guilty, but for argument we find that the victim was taken across state lines during the kidnapping, then they could be charged under federal law for the same act.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163862 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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If they destroyed America, what is Obama the president over?<quoted text>
And socialism will work better? Just look at Greece, Italy and Spain. They are even more socialistic than China which has morphed into a Fascist state.
Who is saying Socialism?

Who?

Certainly not me.

How about fairness for the 99% of all Americans who are not in the top 1% percent.

Honest and aboveboard Wall Street?

Honest and aboveboard Government?

How about stopping the revolving door in Washington DC?

Getting FREE AIR TIME for politicians and elections?

That would stop the big money donors.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#163863 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Wotard, you are a F-ing liar. Show us the neighborhood watch rules or shut the f-up!!!
How do you know I am waiting to shake his hand?
Liar? Looks like I struck a nerve.

"Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules."
Susan Jacobsen, Trayvon Martin: Zimmerman was not following Neighborhood Watch 'rules', Orlando Sentinel (March 24 2012)

http://tinyurl.com/mhb4hw9

"First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing."

"Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons ...."
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman was doing more than looking and more than walking. He was pursuing and violating universal neighborhood watch rules.
There is a **reason** for neighborhood watch rules. The Zimmerman case is an exemplar of how not to conduct a neighborhood watch.
Zimmerman isn't fit to be a dog catcher.
And rouge is waiting in line to shake Zimmerman's unclean hands.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163864 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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So, what does Roberto Calderoli have to do with the price of spaghetti in America? His Lega Nordm (Northern League party) has only about 5% of the seats in the Italian legislature!!!
Now, how many times have you Libtards call me a "cracker" on this forum?
Seems like the rightwing in Italy are also racist.

I am a cracker also BTW.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#163865 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
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Seems like the rightwing in Italy are also racist.
I am a cracker also BTW.
Like a Ritz or Wheat Thins? Salted or unsalted?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#163866 Jul 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
It was my understanding that once someone is acquitted he or she can never be charged again for the same crimes.
Benton v. Maryland, 395 U.S. 784 (1969),
The key is the expression "same crimes".

According to the Blockburger test if the crimes for the separate prosecutions each contain an element not found in the other, then they are not treated as the same crime and therefore not barred by the double jeopardy rule.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not double jeopardy violation according to the Supreme Court.
C.f., Jerome v. United States, 318 U.S. 101,(1943)("it should be noted that the double jeopardy provision of the Fifth Amendment does not stand as a bar to federal prosecution though a state conviction based on the same acts has already been obtained. See United States v. Lanza, 260 U. S. 377; Hebert v. Louisiana, 272 U. S. 312.")

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#163867 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is Republican proven by continuing Bush/Cheney.
Bill Clinton was a Republican proven by all Newt Gingrich Republicans voted for NAFTA, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, 1996 Telecommunications, etc. etc. etc.
Both parties are destroying America.
<quoted text>
El Cid wrote:
Ah, i thought bush destroyed Amerika!
<quoted text>
Him too, what two. You speak with forked brain. If country destroyed, who does Obama preside over?
I heard from birfoons that if obama was elected in 2008 that would destroy America; then they changed their tune and said if he was re-elected it would destroy America. Next presidential election we will hear that unless a RWNJ is elected,...."

And we know that every upcoming election is "the most important election in the history of this nation."

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163868 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I really don't know what crime must be proven in order to establish probable cause. Perhaps you can tell me?
<quoted text>
Again, FLORIDA law requires probable cause that he was NOT acting in self defence to arrest him. The fact that he shot someone is not evidence of a crime. You do not have to prove it to arrest someone but you have to have proable cause to arrest them.
Remember, AGAIN there are THREE standards.
You need a "Probable Cause" to arrest someone.
You need a "Preponderance of the evidence" to charge someone.
You need "Beyond any reasonable doubt" to convict someone.
At each phase, the evidence must be stronger to continue to the next phase. Now, is that so hard for your pea brain to understand?

Now, what probable cause did they have that GZ was not acting in self defence? Plain and simple. Did GZ commit any crime? If no, they can not arrest him.
Again, it is not a crime to follow someone. And there is zero evidence that he threatened Trayvon either. No evidence is not probable cause.

I liked it when you say there was no evidence that Trayvon assaulted GZ, but there is even less evidence the GZ assaulted Trayvon!!!
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163869 Jul 14, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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Let's say someone was kidnapped and held during a trail against someone accused and found not guilty, but for argument we find that the victim was taken across state lines during the kidnapping, then they could be charged under federal law for the same act.
Technically you can be acquitted in State court and be retried in Federal court.

It will never happened with Zimmerman.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163870 Jul 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is Republican proven by continuing Bush/Cheney.
Bill Clinton was a Republican proven by all Newt Gingrich Republicans voted for NAFTA, Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, 1996 Telecommunications, etc. etc. etc.
Both parties are destroying America.
<quoted text>
El Cid wrote:
Ah, i thought bush destroyed Amerika!
<quoted text>
Him too, what two. You speak with forked brain. If country destroyed, who does Obama preside over?
Banana republic?

Seems like soon, very soon unfortunately.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163871 Jul 14, 2013
How you Libtards function in society, I have no idea. If you think you have right of way and pull out in front of another car and there is a wreck you don't think you caused it.
About 15 years ago I knew this guy who bought a flushed out conversion van, paid up the insurance for six months and registered the vehicle. Six months later he allowed the insurance to laps and then he caused an accident.
He turned left in front of an oncoming car and they collided and he was cited for failure to yield and not having insurance. He then went out and got his totaled out van insured. He went to court and showed the judge his insurance papers and the judge said they were not valid at the time of the accident and he did not understand why they revoked his drivers licence.
He also did not understand why they charged him with the accident as the other car had hit HIM nor could he not understand my the insurance company would not pay off the damages.
How do you people make it through society with your Libtardian Logic?
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#163872 Jul 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The key is the expression "same crimes".
According to the Blockburger test if the crimes for the separate prosecutions each contain an element not found in the other, then they are not treated as the same crime and therefore not barred by the double jeopardy rule.
<quoted text>
Very true.

In rare cases technically you can be acquitted in State court and be retried in Federal Court.

Not that common.

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