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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#163559 Jul 13, 2013
Further to swastikas. I should have said "MOST Buddhist swastikas go in the other direction." I was wrong in implying that they all went the other way.

It turns out that some of them do go in the same direction as the Nazi swastikas---so it really gets complicated.

A person wearing a swastika that goes the Nazi way and wearing it so as to be depicted as a Nazi symbol--is doing something that is rotten (in my opinion), and a person who wears a Buddhist swastika--even if it happens to go the same way as the Nazi swastika--isn't.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#163560 Jul 13, 2013
Jacques,
The way I see it is that GZ went out looking for trouble and he ended up landing his own sorry-ass in hot water.
I would interpret anyone following me as an act of aggresssion. Law enforcement or otherwise.
loose

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163561 Jul 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Does the first amendment give you the right to wear Hitler t-shirts emblazoned with swastikas? NO. Why? Because the represent HATE and violence. Same for machine guns and Zimmerman-targeted t-shirts. First amendment rights to wear those? I think not. To go even farther to make a point, as you do not seem to understand, how about the first amendment protecting a person wearing a t-shirt that depicts a fornicating couple, and to make it even more horrible for you, two men fornicating? Would the first amendment allow that?
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: "Does the first amendment give you the right to wear Hitler t-shirts emblazoned with swastikas? NO."
I hate to disagree with someone with whom I agree so often, but the First Amendment does do precisely that. People can and do wear t-shirts emblazoned with Nazi swastikas (Buddhist ones go in the other direction), and these days people do not seem to take much notice of it.
Of course, the First Amendment grants only the legal right to wear those t-shirts. I still think wearing Nazi ones (not Buddhist ones) it is immoral, but that is my opinion.
In any case, the First Amendment is damn strong---allowing only such laws against total uncontrolled speech as preventing calling "Fire" in a crowded theater and libel laws.
Re: "two men fornicating? Would the first amendment allow that?"
Pornography is one of the exceptions, but it is in a gray area, and the definition of pornography changes---and changes rapidly. The novel Ulysses and Lady Chatterly's Lover were once considered pornographic. The actual depiction of people having sex carried into a public place would still probably be considered pornographic---but perhaps in 20 years or 50 will no longer be.
(There are temples in India that show the act quite explicitly, and the images are outside the temple and facing the street.Of course, that is heterosexual sex--but homosexual might well come too, in time.)
But they don't have First Amendment rights in Canada. But Jacqueau sees no problem with a Castro or "Che" Guevara on a tee shirt but Hitler is a big no no to him! Why, they are all three socialists that killed innocent people.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#163562 Jul 13, 2013
Jacques,
That is precisely why Barack Obama's industrial spy complex is unconstitutional and violates the 4th amendment as being a far too aggresive intrusion on privacy.
It violates the letter and the spirit of the law aa well as the underpinnings of the Constitution of the United States.
loose

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#163563 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
In most states a defendant must prove he was acting in self defense but in Florida it is the other way around. To arrest anyone who claims self defense they must have probable cause that he was NOT acting in self defense. Sooo, what evidence did they have it was not self defence? NOTHING!!!
Next, to CHARGE someone, in a self defence case, they most prove that the preponderance of the evidence is that he was NOT acting in self defense. And again, what was their evidence? NOTHING!!!
<quoted text>
You are big time wrong. Try reading the SYG law. I have posted it a half dozen times so far on this forum but you Libtards will not read it much less understand it!
The "SYG law" is silent on the matter of probable cause. Rougie Scatterbrain is on the WRONG PAGE again.

Nothing in the "SYG law" alters the probable cause standard, except that the defendant MAY raise the affirmative SYG defense in a preliminary hearing thereby seeking immunity from prosecution.

Did Rougie Scatterbrain read the Affidavit of Probable Cause? Of course he didn't.

Rouge is BIG TIME IGNORANT.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163564 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And people like Jacqueau make fun of the way Rednecks speak.
Canadian Alphabet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yLj0X7WdLQQXX
I do? we do?

I think rednecks are the epitome of ignorance and hate. Their alphabet is the least of it.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163565 Jul 13, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
That is precisely why Barack Obama's industrial spy complex is unconstitutional and violates the 4th amendment as being a far too aggresive intrusion on privacy.
It violates the letter and the spirit of the law aa well as the underpinnings of the Constitution of the United States.
loose
Ii agree. It was started by his predecessor but that does not excuse Obama for prolonging and even reinforcing it.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#163566 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
But first, here in Florida, they must rule out self defence before they can even arrest him, much less charge and try him.
Capisce?!?
What this trial is about is not the racism of George Zimmerman but the racism of Trayvon and you Libtards.
Not true. If there is probable cause for an arrest that's all that is required. Same is true for charging: probable cause.

That is the standard.

However, Rougie Scatterbrain is free to write a letter to Attorney O'Mara offering to tutor him in the fine points of Florida criminal law. Hee hee.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Scatterbrain is at it again. It is his mission in life to ramble off-point. The example of Connecticut law is perfectly on-point as it illustrates how states apply the doctrine of lesser included offenses, insofar as state courts apply the doctrine according to judicial standards. That is true for CT and FL and just about every other state in this country.
Capisce?
The rest of Mr. Scatterbrain's comment, "to CHARGE someone, in a self defence [sic] case, they most prove that the preponderance ...", has nothing to do with the doctrine of lesser included offenses.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#163567 Jul 13, 2013
Jacques,
It boggles the mind to think that Obama could have kept his ballooning spy network under wraps forever.
It is a permanent stain on Lady Liberty, and he knows it and so does everyone else.
loose
Sunlight Foundation com

West Sayville, NY

#163569 Jul 13, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
It boggles the mind to think that Obama could have kept his ballooning spy network under wraps forever.
It is a permanent stain on Lady Liberty, and he knows it and so does everyone else.
loose
Authentic Liberal/Progressives have been complaining about Bush and Cheney spying on Americans for years.

And they still are against Obama for continuing over 90% of Bush/Cheney policy.

Do you remember how Fox News, Rightwing Radio, O'Lielly and Hannity called Mark Klein and Russell Tice communist traitors?

==========

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
Benjamin Franklin

---------

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
-- Thomas Jefferson

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163570 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Does the first amendment give you the right to wear Hitler t-shirts emblazoned with swastikas? NO. Why? Because the represent HATE and violence. Same for machine guns and Zimmerman-targeted t-shirts. First amendment rights to wear those? I think not. To go even farther to make a point, as you do not seem to understand, how about the first amendment protecting a person wearing a t-shirt that depicts a fornicating couple, and to make it even more horrible for you, two men fornicating? Would the first amendment allow that?
<quoted text>
But they don't have First Amendment rights in Canada. But Jacqueau sees no problem with a Castro or "Che" Guevara on a tee shirt but Hitler is a big no no to him! Why, they are all three socialists that killed innocent people.
We have the equivalent of the 1st amendment, and if you care to consult it, it is as strict if not more so than yours. Having said that, I did say Hitler Swastika, not Buddhist swastika. When did I say Castro and Che t-shirts were okay? You keep trying to lay things on me I never did or said. Nice try.

But, if you want, why don't you compare Castro, the Che and Hitler? The first two killed too many people, also imprisoned too many. Who can deny that? But how does that compare with your number ONE trading partner, China, the bastion of human rights? Nonetheless, to compare Castro and Che with Hitler? This shows your sense of madness, disproportionality. Hitler killed millions, tortured countless, and that was Third Reich policy! He enslaved whole countries. He brought change that was catastrophic. Castro did not have a policy of extermination and his revolution is the kind that Jamaica, the Dom Republic, Haiti could sorely use. His country had no doctors to speak of, more than half the population was illiterate and squalor and poverty were rampant in 1959. A few enjoyed the fruits of gambling and prostitution, much of it American mafia. Problem with Castro was twofold : 1) the U.S. embargo and 2) his latching on to power far too long and failure to move forward 4 or 5 years after successful Batista overthrow. Yes, the big and very wrong thing with Castro, instead of putting the brakes on his revolution, he prolonged it and kept stifling democracy and freedom of speech. Far-sighted at first, near sighted after.

You have no background in history or politics and it amply shows. What little you do have is twisted and extreme far-right.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163571 Jul 13, 2013
Blame should be laid where it belongs: on Activist Obama’s doorstep
If racial unrest follows Zimmerman jury decision, blame it on Activist Obama By Judi McLeod, July 13, 2013

It should go without saying that love and pride of country should be the first qualifications for anyone seeking the presidency of America.

President Barack Hussein Obama came into the power of the White House as an activist—pushed by activists.

Foreboding for the future of America, Obama will always be an activist . He doesn’t know what else to be because he’s always been an activist. Even as an Illinois senator, he merely wore the title without doing any of the heavy lifting.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163572 Jul 13, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
George Zimmerman is no angel.
loose
He probably isn't. But then I'll leave his fate to the jury and the judge, I was not there when Martin was shot. Appears Rogue and Justice ha ha LRS were there, though. They saw it all.
Sunlight Foundation com

West Sayville, NY

#163573 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
If Obama is to conservative for you, you are a kommie!
Truth be told Obama is center/right closer to Reagan/Bush and Bill Clinton.

You really need to stop believing the corporate minions on TV and Radio.

I'm sure your looking forward to 2016, I am not.

Americans will be forced to choose between Jeb "Corporate" Bush VS Hillary "Corporate" Clinton.

Most Americans will be duped again believing one is conservative and the other is liberal.

THE GUNS? THE GAYS? THE ABORTION? ECT. ECT. ECT.

While the prostitutes in Congress with all the Radio/TV talking air heads laugh all the way to the bank.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163574 Jul 13, 2013
This is an example of how the Left race bait. Salon uses just TWO cases and comes to the assumption that Florida's SYG law is .... RACIST when it is Salon that is RACIST!!!
But you Libtards will gulp down their poison.

“Stand your ground” law helps white defendants a lot more than black ones, JUN 11, 2013

As George Zimmerman's trial begins, the stories of two very different shooters show the inequality behind the law
BY KATIE HALPER

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/11/stand_your_gr...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163575 Jul 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: "Does the first amendment give you the right to wear Hitler t-shirts emblazoned with swastikas? NO."
I hate to disagree with someone with whom I agree so often, but the First Amendment does do precisely that. People can and do wear t-shirts emblazoned with Nazi swastikas (Buddhist ones go in the other direction), and these days people do not seem to take much notice of it.
Of course, the First Amendment grants only the legal right to wear those t-shirts. I still think wearing Nazi ones (not Buddhist ones) it is immoral, but that is my opinion.
In any case, the First Amendment is damn strong---allowing only such laws against total uncontrolled speech as preventing calling "Fire" in a crowded theater and libel laws.
Re: "two men fornicating? Would the first amendment allow that?"
Pornography is one of the exceptions, but it is in a gray area, and the definition of pornography changes---and changes rapidly. The novel Ulysses and Lady Chatterly's Lover were once considered pornographic. The actual depiction of people having sex carried into a public place would still probably be considered pornographic---but perhaps in 20 years or 50 will no longer be.
(There are temples in India that show the act quite explicitly, and the images are outside the temple and facing the street.Of course, that is heterosexual sex--but homosexual might well come too, in time.)
You're right. In a certain manner, yes. But, as I pointed out to Rogue, does the first amendment allow one to wear a t-shirt showing two men, stark naked, frontal nudity, making love on a t-shirt? Your first amendment, like our Constitution that grants free expression, has limits and, as per the bible, as per the constitution, as per law, requires some form of interpretation. I still don't think that wearing a t shirt showing Hitler goose-stepping with a swastika in the background and a rejoicing scene of Jews being marched to the gas chamber would be allowed in public, and much less in school, in the workplace or in church.

It's nice that you and I can disagree civilly. So rare here.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163576 Jul 13, 2013
Yep, another Libtard gets pranked. It is sad that a news reporter read this without thinking about it. It is sooooo obviously a prank, she had to be stupid to read it.
And on a Fox affiliated station to boot.

KTVU "Ho Lee Fuk" Prank!(Original)
&fe ature=player_embedded

Published on Jul 12, 2013
KTVU Pranked With Fake Asiana Flight 214 Pilot Names | "Ho Lee Fuk" Prank!-'Ho Lee Fuk': Someone Pranked San Francisco TV Station Into Reporting Fabricated Names Of Asiana Pilots - A local Fox affiliate, the San Francisco powerhouse station KTVU, is dealing with the fallout of a major error on Friday. During their noon broadcast, a report on the deadly Asiana Airlines crash took a turn for the unintentionally offensive when they broadcast the names of pilots in charge of that flight. The mangled Asian-sounding names were, in fact, thinly-disguised expletives mocking the sentiments expressed by the crash victims and their families.

The supposed names of the crash victims broadcast on KTVU included "Sum Ting Wong," "Ho Lee Fuk," and "Bang Ding Ow."

A KTVU anchor later apologized for the error. She said that the names were inaccurate in spite of the fact that a National Transpiration Safety Board spokesperson confirming them.

Watch the original clip below (with apology clip added at the end), via KTVU:

"Tori Campbell"

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163577 Jul 13, 2013
But is was just not the TV station that got pranked, it was the NTSB that also got pranked!
But is was probably an "inside" joke in the NTSB which means they are not racial sensitive. Do they need more "education"?

The NTSB also issued its apology late Friday afternoon for "inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly confirmed as those of the pilots."

"A summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft," its statement said. "The NTSB does not release or confirm the names of crewmembers or people involved in transportation accidents to the media. We work hard to ensure that only appropriate factual information regarding an investigation is released and deeply regret today's incident. Appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such a serious error is not repeated."

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163578 Jul 13, 2013
When I was flying a Medevac mission in Hawaii we went to the scene of an industrial accident in which some heavy equipment over turned on a worker.
He had a broken left femur, a cut in his penis and his left testicle was hanging out of his scrotum. My medic commented, "Well I guess he won't be getting anything (sex) for a while!"
It is the way people relieve stress. It is not like a cop who shot someone eight times, reloaded and shot him another eight times when he did not have to.
Or some soldiers pissing on the corps of a dead enemy combatant!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163579 Jul 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right. In a certain manner, yes. But, as I pointed out to Rogue, does the first amendment allow one to wear a t-shirt showing two men, stark naked, frontal nudity, making love on a t-shirt? Your first amendment, like our Constitution that grants free expression, has limits and, as per the bible, as per the constitution, as per law, requires some form of interpretation. I still don't think that wearing a t shirt showing Hitler goose-stepping with a swastika in the background and a rejoicing scene of Jews being marched to the gas chamber would be allowed in public, and much less in school, in the workplace or in church.
It's nice that you and I can disagree civilly. So rare here.
Our USSC has already ruled on the pornography issue!
And they have already ruled on issues like the Hitler tee shirt you described above. And they have also ruled on "NRA" window decals, guns on shirts, etc.
Yes, they had a police officer notice a vehicle with a "NRA" decal and used that as probable cause to do a no warrant search of the man's car. I don't think it ever got to the USSC as I think a lower court ruled the decal was not probable cause.

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