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#163419 Jul 12, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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It was the Beech-18 aircraft that sparked my attention Rogue. I know absolutely nothing about aircraft but for some reason I seemed to recall that Otis Redding’s plane was a Beech something or other. Must have been a popular plane.
As for Tammi and Marvin you ignored the most obvious story.
Apr 1, 1984:
Marvin Gaye is shot and killed by his own father.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ma ...
“Marvin Gaye's brother, Frankie, who lived next door, and who held the legendary singer during his final minutes, later wrote in his memoir that Marvin Gaye's final, disturbing statement was, "I got what I wanted....I couldn't do it myself, so I made him do it."
Yes, I was aware that Marvin Gaye was shot and killed by his father but I was not aware of the quote from his brother. But what right did his father have to shoot him?
According to Wiki, Marvin was seated and talking to his mother when his father entered the room and shot him twice! Seems to me that that was not simple manslaughter.
Sunlight Foundation com

West Sayville, NY

#163420 Jul 12, 2013
Live link

Trial starts 8:30 am

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/tra...
Sunlight Foundation com

West Sayville, NY

#163421 Jul 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yep, and that same coroner said that Martin lived for up to ten minutes after he was shot and was in pain. But he was in cardiac arrest within seconds of the shooting and was unconscious and unconscious people do not feel pain! Sure his brain was slowly dying but there was no way he could have been saved. Even if he was in a hospital emergency room, he would have died!
Oh, and the defense's coroner, who is one of our nation's leading authorities on the subject, blew the other coroner's testimony out of the water.
Forensic Expert Testifies 'Medical Evidence Is Consistent'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IDS3pBaY4SgXX
Prosecutors blew this case by not preparing their own witnesses.

I will be pleasantly surprised if GZ gets a conviction.

How much money did you send to the GZ family?

GZ is paying $30,000 a month for legal fees.

Plus if he goes free a big rightwing book deal is in his future.

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#163422 Jul 12, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have to explain what Zimmerman did. The verdict is up to the jury.
BTW, I don't recall Z testifying that he acted in self defense. Hee hee.
He doesn't have to testify. All that he needs to have said, he has said and they have been played in the court room.

George Zimmerman Killed Trayvon Martin in 'Self-Defense,' Claims Sanford Police
By Daniel Distant , Christian Post Reporter March 22, 2012|

George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin "in self defense" is being defended by the Sanford, Fla., police department, who claimed they were "prohibited" from arresting him.

Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/george-z...

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Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163423 Jul 12, 2013
Sunlight Foundation com wrote:
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Prosecutors blew this case by not preparing their own witnesses.
I will be pleasantly surprised if GZ gets a conviction.
How much money did you send to the GZ family?
GZ is paying $30,000 a month for legal fees.
Plus if he goes free a big rightwing book deal is in his future.
At the very worse, manslaughter but my guess is he'll walk. Next.
Sunlight Foundation com

West Sayville, NY

#163424 Jul 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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At the very worse, manslaughter but my guess is he'll walk. Next.
GZ is guilty but I think he will walk also.

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#163425 Jul 12, 2013
Sunlight Foundation com wrote:
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Prosecutors blew this case by not preparing their own witnesses.
I will be pleasantly surprised if GZ gets a conviction.
How much money did you send to the GZ family?
GZ is paying $30,000 a month for legal fees.
Plus if he goes free a big rightwing book deal is in his future.
The prosecutors blew this case because they had no case, and nothing more!
I did not sent one cent to GZ's family. But GZ should never had been arrested for the very same reason the fired police chief explained. To arrest someone they must have "probable cause" the GZ "was not acting in self defence". NONE!!! And there is still no evidence that he was not acting in self defence!
Trayvon acted stupidly by assaulting someone without any lawful reason to do so. Trayvon assaulted GZ because he is a creepy cracker and nothing more.
And why would you want an innocent man convicted?
I hope you are watching, and listening, the the Defense's final argument!

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#163426 Jul 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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At the very worse, manslaughter but my guess is he'll walk. Next.
Sunlight Foundation com wrote:
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GZ is guilty but I think he will walk also.
Guilty of self defense? He should never had been arrested much less tried.
Now I suggest both of you should avoid going to Florida because if you even threaten to assault someone, they can use deadly force to protect themselves.

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#163427 Jul 12, 2013
Sunlight Foundation com wrote:
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GZ is guilty but I think he will walk also.
Ya know what is funny is that every time I see, "The Sunlight Foundation is a nonpartisan nonprofit founded...", I know they are loony-lefty and very partisan. ALWAYS!!!
Oh they may try and convince you that they are middle or f the row on all of the issues, but they are not.
That is like people who claim they are "Pro-Choice" but are actually "Pro-Abortion" or that the "Affordable Health Care Act" is .... affordable!

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#163428 Jul 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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At the very worse, manslaughter but my guess is he'll walk. Next.
Sunlight Foundation com wrote:
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GZ is guilty but I think he will walk also.
Another question for you Libtards. According to the prosecutor, how was Trayvon standing when he was shot? Was he standing upright? Leaning backwards? Leaning forwards? They have not said! WHY? Because they have admitted that Travon's shirt was not in contact with his chest. Not only was his shirt not in contact with his chest, it was 4-6 inches from his chest.
SOOOOO, the reason why the prosecutor will not tell the jury is because the only position Trayvon could be in when he was shot was if he had been leaning forward by at least a 45 degree angle .... and that would mean GZ was firing .... upwards!!!
But you Libtards will never answer any of the questions I have asked you..... because it conflicts with you "opinions" of what happened!

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#163429 Jul 12, 2013
Sunlight Foundation com wrote:
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Prosecutors blew this case by not preparing their own witnesses.
I will be pleasantly surprised if GZ gets a conviction.
How much money did you send to the GZ family?
GZ is paying $30,000 a month for legal fees.
Plus if he goes free a big rightwing book deal is in his future.
Not to mention all the money he will be getting from his lawsuits against the LSM who lied about the facts of the case.
Oh, do you remember Richard Jewell from the Atlanta Olympic's bombing? How much money did he get from the LSM???
From Wiki:[Richard Jewell] Libel cases

After his exoneration, Jewell filed a series of lawsuits against the media outlets which he claimed had libeled him, primarily NBC News and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and insisted on a formal apology from them. L. Lin Wood was the lead attorney in all of Jewell's libel cases.

In 2006, Jewell said the lawsuits were not about money, and that the vast majority of the settlements went to lawyers or taxes. He said the lawsuits were about clearing his name.

Richard Jewell v. Piedmont College
Jewell filed suit against his former employer Piedmont College, Piedmont College President Raymond Cleere and college spokesman Scott Rawles.[9] Jewell's attorneys contended that Cleere called the FBI and spoke to the Atlanta newspapers, providing them with false information on Jewell and his employment there as a security guard. Jewell's lawsuit accused Cleere of describing Jewell as a "badge-wearing zealot" who "would write epic police reports for minor infractions."

Piedmont College settled for an undisclosed amount.

Richard Jewell v. NBC
Jewell sued NBC News for this statement, made by Tom Brokaw: "The speculation is that the FBI is close to making the case. They probably have enough to arrest him right now, probably enough to prosecute him, but you always want to have enough to convict him as well. There are still some holes in this case". Even though NBC stood by its story, the network agreed to pay Jewell $500,000.

Richard Jewell v. New York Post
On July 23, 1997, Jewell sued The New York Post for $15 million in damages and settled with the newspaper for an undisclosed amount.

Richard Jewell v. Cox Enterprises (d.b.a. Atlanta Journal-Constitution)
Jewell also sued the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper. According to Jewell, the paper's headline, FBI suspects 'hero' guard may have planted bomb, "pretty much started the whirlwind". In one article, the Atlanta Journal compared Richard Jewell's case to that of serial killer Wayne Williams.

The newspaper was the only defendant that did not settle with Jewell. The lawsuit remained pending for several years, after having been considered at one time by the Supreme Court of Georgia, and had become an important part of case law regarding whether journalists could be forced to reveal their sources. The case was dismissed by Judge John R. Mather in December 2007, four months after Jewell's death. The paper claimed this was proof of the accuracy of their coverage.

CNN
Although CNN settled with Jewell for an undisclosed monetary amount, CNN maintained its coverage was fair and accurate.

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#163430 Jul 12, 2013
Oh, what happened to the lawsuit by John F-up Kerry and the Swift Boat Vets? Kerry dropped the lawsuit just as they were going into deposition.
And what about Valerie and Joe Wilson's lawsuit against Scooter Libby? Case thrown out ..... twice!!!
To bad GZ will not be able to sue Barack Obama!!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163431 Jul 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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At the very worse, manslaughter but my guess is he'll walk. Next.
<quoted text>
Guilty of self defense? He should never had been arrested much less tried.
Now I suggest both of you should avoid going to Florida because if you even threaten to assault someone, they can use deadly force to protect themselves.
1. You'll note that I never said he was guilty or not/guilty. But YOU did;
2. Man shot and killed someone. Of course he should be arrested. Even a tin pot banana republic would've arrested him;
3. I've often been to Florida. Enjoyed it except for Tampa. Does Tampa even exist? Naples and Ft Meyers are great and Key West is just plain awesome. I've never threatened to assault anyone, in Florida or elsewhere. Your way of doing things, plus hoping and praying someone will SEEM to assault you so you can at long last realise your lifelong dream and shoot somebody, well, that's not my way.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#163432 Jul 12, 2013
Jacques,
I just think an innocent man who is facing a possible life sentence in prison would be eager to tell his tale. Everyone is subpeona'd to swear under oath what they think heard or might have seen except the man who was actually there.
I remain skeptical of the whole legal system, lawyers in particular and politicians especially.
loose
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163433 Jul 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You'll note that I never said he was guilty or not/guilty. But YOU did;
2. Man shot and killed someone. Of course he should be arrested. Even a tin pot banana republic would've arrested him;
3. I've often been to Florida. Enjoyed it except for Tampa. Does Tampa even exist? Naples and Ft Meyers are great and Key West is just plain awesome. I've never threatened to assault anyone, in Florida or elsewhere. Your way of doing things, plus hoping and praying someone will SEEM to assault you so you can at long last realise your lifelong dream and shoot somebody, well, that's not my way.
Are you seriously this immature?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163434 Jul 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya know what is funny is that every time I see, "The Sunlight Foundation is a nonpartisan nonprofit founded...", I know they are loony-lefty and very partisan. ALWAYS!!!
Oh they may try and convince you that they are middle or f the row on all of the issues, but they are not.
That is like people who claim they are "Pro-Choice" but are actually "Pro-Abortion" or that the "Affordable Health Care Act" is .... affordable!
You are so full of "it". You KNOW that pro-choice people are pro-abortion? How do you know that? Can you read people's minds? Personally, I respect both sides of the coin, as long as there is no violence. BTW, and while on the subject of violence, better inform your fanatics who have killed countless abortion clinic doctors and personnel. Er, what is the difference between killing a living person and aborting a fetus, Rogue? Has God spoken to you on this? Has he so informed Justice ha ha LRS who speaks to his Maker daily?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#163435 Jul 12, 2013
But he was arrested. And he is being tried.
So now he has had to hire a team of lawyers and mount a defence.
Zimmerman was playing Rambo and everyone knows it.

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Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#163436 Jul 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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And you are a flaming bigot. A discrepancy between statements does not mean he lied and I think when you hear the defenses rebuttal today, they will bring that up.
1) In the first call Zimmerman was parked in his car and he was not following Trayvon as it is impossible to follow someone when you are sitting in a parked car.
2) What evidence do you have that Trayvon did not runaway? Zimmerman said that Trayvon ran between the buildings and that was when George turned around and was returning to his car when Trayvon came around the backside of the building and cut him off from returning to his car!
3) Have you seen the map of the neighborhood? The streets are not square and he may have been a little confused. But you assume he lied?
4) No, it is not safe to assume that. He was getting out of the car and that noise was the wind!!!
5) Saplings, bushes, we are not talking about giant redwood trees, are we? I know people in Texas that claim their bushes are trees but that does not make them trees.
6) Ah, the instructor was covering ... self defence. At no time did that witness claim he used the term "Stand your Ground". When I took my classes to get my CCP the instructor covered SYG for 10-15 minutes, and that was all.
Ah, you do not have to have even one scratch to use the SYG defence.
You have no idea what my views are on people.
So don't assume that i am a bigot because i think Zimmerman is quilty for second degree murder
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163437 Jul 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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You are so full of "it". You KNOW that pro-choice people are pro-abortion? How do you know that? Can you read people's minds? Personally, I respect both sides of the coin, as long as there is no violence. BTW, and while on the subject of violence, better inform your fanatics who have killed countless abortion clinic doctors and personnel. Er, what is the difference between killing a living person and aborting a fetus, Rogue? Has God spoken to you on this? Has he so informed Justice ha ha LRS who speaks to his Maker daily?
I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to share that information with you.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163438 Jul 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, what happened to the lawsuit by John F-up Kerry and the Swift Boat Vets? Kerry dropped the lawsuit just as they were going into deposition.
And what about Valerie and Joe Wilson's lawsuit against Scooter Libby? Case thrown out ..... twice!!!
To bad GZ will not be able to sue Barack Obama!!!
Kerry probably, and I suppose, just decided to drop it because he got on with his life. He no doubt knew that the process would be eternal-like and costly, with no assurance of victory. Calling him names like F-up Kerry is juvenile, idiotic, uncalled-for and not worthy of someone who claims to have defended his country's ideals in Vietnam, Korea and Germany;

How does Kerry's continuously-assaulted war record by you compare to GWB's, whose records of having served in Alabama do not exist and who got an honourable discharge so he could attend Yale and study economics, which was NOT a valid discharge reason as it was not armed forces-related. No records of having served in Alabama but a very powerful daddy. Hmmmm. Chew on that one for size.

Libby was guilty, period and justice took its course. Carry on with your life.

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