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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163520 Jul 13, 2013
Prime example of "moving the goal posts".
Play Justice LRS wrote:
I don't think it is right that lesser charges can be added during a trial. I know it can be an advantage for some and a disadvantage for others. Just doesn't seem right to change "mid-stream". Comments?
Mr. Play Justice has essentially stated that the practice of permitting juries to reach a verdict on lesser included charges is not "right".

Now he moves the goal post, and quite ineffectually.
Play Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
But lesser charges are not always allowed to be added, are they? I thought it was up to the judge.
And because sometimes courts do not allow instruction of the jury on lesser included offenses **some of the time** that means the practice is improper **all of the time**?

What is the rational basis for that premise?

"[I]t is settled that a jury should be given the entire range of possible verdicts in a case in which the evidence warrants the giving of the lesser included offenses,[and] it follows that defenses that are supported by a reasonable construction of the evidence should be given along with those same lesser charges." (Internal quotation marks omitted.) State v. Hall, 213 Conn. 579, 588 (1990).

But the Play Justice disagrees (because of the Zimmerman case, which he will vehemently deny.)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163523 Jul 13, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Remember the kid who wore the NRA t-shirt to school and was taken away by the police? Well, check out USA Today's main page. Why is it ok for this kid to wear a t-shirt that has a picture of Zimmerman with cross-hairs on him?
I saw another story on here about a teen who was jailed for 5 months for putting a sarcastic remark on his facebook page. He was bailed out $500K! WTF??????
The guy wearing the Zimmerman T-shirt was a kid wearing it in public school? In July?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163524 Jul 13, 2013
Tweet Of The Day: If I Had A Race-Baiting President… He Would Look Like This
Posted by Gateway Guest Blogger on Friday, July 12, 2013
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/tweet...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163525 Jul 13, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
.....I suppose it depends on where you live when running a self-described “suspicious looking” kid down and shooting him dead is not defined as stalking.
“Stalking legal definition
Noun
A form of harassment generally comprised of repeated persistent following with no legitimate reason and with the intention of harming, or so as to arouse anxiety or fear of harm in the person being followed”
http://law.yourdictionary.com/stalking
Hummmm, several BIG points here. Martin was shot 45 MINUTES after he let the convenience store and it was only a five minute walk back to his house. SOOOOO, what was Martin doing in those 40 extra minutes? Probably nothing more than hanging out BUT even a policeman would stop him and ask him what he was up to.
SURE, a volunteer neighborhood watch person can not stop and question someone but he can follow a suspect while waiting for a police officer and that was why GZ was on the phone with the police dispatcher.
Now you also said "running .... kid down" down and Zimmerman at no time RAN. The wind noise was just that, WIND. The local Sanford airport that the wind was 6-8 mph at the time and that was just enough to create WIND NOISE over the cell phone.
Now, how did, and why, did Trayvon RUN around the building and cut off GZ?!? Trayvon was running in the direction of his father's girl friend's house so why did he double back??? I have asked this question over and over again and you ignore it while at the same time claim that 1) GZ was racial profiling Trayvon, 2) that GZ was stalking Taryvon, 3) that he had the intention of shooting a black man all along (when he did not know what Trayvon's skin color was until several minutes into the phone call) and 4) you siad GZ PROVOKED Trayvon but will not explain how he provoked him.
What a bigoted COWARD you are!
Just answer the FRIGGIN' questions if you are not a coward.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#163526 Jul 13, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
I saw another story on here about a teen who was jailed for 5 months for putting a sarcastic remark on his facebook page. He was bailed out $500K! WTF??????
That 19 y/o kid in the liberal state of TEXAS?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163527 Jul 13, 2013
Going to Jail For Trayvon (Race Riots)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Hey, they found out who killed Nichole Simpson and Ron Goldman. It was O.J.'s evil twin brother Bart!
Ya know Bart? The TV star!!!!
wojar

Bristol, CT

#163528 Jul 13, 2013
Darn those liberal cops and liberal courts in that LIBTARD state of TEXAS

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163529 Jul 13, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Remember the kid who wore the NRA t-shirt to school and was taken away by the police? Well, check out USA Today's main page. Why is it ok for this kid to wear a t-shirt that has a picture of Zimmerman with cross-hairs on him?
......
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The guy wearing the Zimmerman T-shirt was a kid wearing it in public school? In July?
Classic Libtardian Logic. The weather dictates what Free Speech is permissible?!? What a flaming bigot you are.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163530 Jul 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
Darn those liberal cops and liberal courts in that LIBTARD state of TEXAS
I am not sure exactly what you are commenting on but Texas has it's Liberal areas. Conservatives never would have elected some one like Sheila Jackson Lee to Congress!

Ah, if Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee is a TEXAS Congresswoman, why was she in FLORIDA??? Because she is a race baiter!!!
wojar

Bristol, CT

#163531 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Justice LRS wrote:
Remember the kid who wore the NRA t-shirt to school and was taken away by the police? Well, check out USA Today's main page. Why is it ok for this kid to wear a t-shirt that has a picture of Zimmerman with cross-hairs on him?
......
<quoted text>
Classic Libtardian Logic. The weather dictates what Free Speech is permissible?!? What a flaming bigot you are.
The weather? RU nuts? Schools are in session in July? Your boyfriend was mixing apples and oranges. My comment had not a thing to do with weather. Grow a brain.

[QUOTE who="wojar]
<quoted text>
The guy wearing the Zimmerman T-shirt was a kid wearing it in public school? In July?[/QUOTE]
wojar

Bristol, CT

#163532 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure exactly what you are commenting on but Texas has it's Liberal areas. Conservatives never would have elected some one like Sheila Jackson Lee to Congress!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oScEJOL9Q5UXX
Ah, if Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee is a TEXAS Congresswoman, why was she in FLORIDA??? Because she is a race baiter!!!
Shiela Jackson Lee arrested the kid?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163533 Jul 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
There are specific criteria which must be met to permit instruction of the jury on lesser included charges. For example in Connecticut the Whistman test is used. It's not "up to the judge" to make an arbitrary decision or to make a decision based on Play Justice LRS's approval or disapproval. Sorry, but not liking the fact that the jury was instructed on the lesser included charge does not provide a rational basis to claim impropriety.
<quoted text>
Ah, you do know that Florida is NOT in Connecticut, don't you?
In most states a defendant must prove he was acting in self defense but in Florida it is the other way around. To arrest anyone who claims self defense they must have probable cause that he was NOT acting in self defense. Sooo, what evidence did they have it was not self defence? NOTHING!!!
Next, to CHARGE someone, in a self defence case, they most prove that the preponderance of the evidence is that he was NOT acting in self defense. And again, what was their evidence? NOTHING!!!
Then, to convict anyone, in a self defense case, they must FIRST prove he was NOT acting in self defense base on, not reasonable suspicion nor a preponderance of the evidence, but beyond any reasonable doubt!!!
Again I will bring to your attention something my father said to me some 45 years ago, "It is best to set a thousand guilty men go free than to falsely imprison one innocent man"!
But that does not matter to you bigoted Libtards!!! The letter of the law means nothing to you, it is you agenda that matters most to you!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163535 Jul 13, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Again Rouge... Stats that are very misleading.
3.13 MILLIONTHS of 1%.... of the actual population.
This is textbook sharpshooter/no base rate fallacy.
They could just as easily have said...
"We ran into Ted at the gas station and here is his opinion."
Look at the words man....
"ALL Americans consider...."
"Liberals consider...."
"Conservatives think...."
These are vast numbers.
Not that we aren't at all shocked when BET attempts to get all sciency and fails.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
To Rogue, if it is a sample 1000 people out of 310 million population, it's a valid sample if it feeds his twisted racial views. Like the poll he referred to. But if a majority, a healthy majority, elects Obama, it's fraud. If 209 courts, 535 congressmen, 9 supremes, 50 governors say Obama's BC is a valid one and he was born in Honolulu, it's simply not true and, he's said it often, Obama is a liar. As I said before, with Rogue it's winner-winner for him and loser-loser for you.
Typical Libtardian Logic. Scientifically balanced polling is good .... so long as I agree with it?
Do you recall Nate Silver. Why do you think his polls are okay yet one's done by Rasmussen are not?!? BIGOTRY!!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163536 Jul 13, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Remember the kid who wore the NRA t-shirt to school and was taken away by the police? Well, check out USA Today's main page. Why is it ok for this kid to wear a t-shirt that has a picture of Zimmerman with cross-hairs on him?
I saw another story on here about a teen who was jailed for 5 months for putting a sarcastic remark on his facebook page. He was bailed out $500K! WTF??????
You're an idiot, as usual. Minor unimportant miscellaneous stuff. And, why don't you just state that both t-shirts are NOT okay. Why? Because they are not.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163537 Jul 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>That 19 y/o kid in the liberal state of TEXAS?
How much difference is there between a 19 year old "Kid" and a 19 year old "Man"? They try 17 years old people as ADULTS all the time.
But you Libtradian Logic dictates that because Texas' governor is a Republican, the whole state is NOT liberal!
Take your kaleidoscope glasses off. They are soooo sixties!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163538 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure exactly what you are commenting on but Texas has it's Liberal areas. Conservatives never would have elected some one like Sheila Jackson Lee to Congress!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oScEJOL9Q5UXX
Ah, if Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee is a TEXAS Congresswoman, why was she in FLORIDA??? Because she is a race baiter!!!
This " Because she is a race baiter!!!" coming from someone who lauds blacks because "oh, they were so clean and polite" etc

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163539 Jul 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You're an idiot, as usual. Minor unimportant miscellaneous stuff. And, why don't you just state that both t-shirts are NOT okay. Why? Because they are not.
Why are the "NOT okay"? Ah, there is that pesky First Amendment thingy again!
My maternal grandfather was an immigration officer on the Maine-New Brunswick border between 1924 and 1958 and when someone would claim to be an American he was ask they to recite the alphabet. How do you pronounce the last letter of the alphabet? If it is as "Zed", you were not brought up in the U.S.!
The Great Canadian Alphabet Song.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163540 Jul 13, 2013
Jacqueau is a Canadian Zed-Head!
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West Sayville, NY

#163541 Jul 13, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
My point in posting the relevant portion of Obama’s Rev Wright speech was to show that Obama did not in fact throw Wright under the bus even though he was under a lot of pressure to do exactly that. The speech had obviously been accepted favorably and most had moved on to more important issues.
For whatever reason Wright decided to keep the issue alive with his unexpected national appearances. I remember vividly my impression at the time is that Wright should go somewhere and STFU so I imagine he would disagree with me.
I’m just as certain Obama had stronger impressions than me of Wright’s motives especially after he had given such a fine speech detailing the good services Wright had rendered to his community and beyond.
Then again I saw nothing in Wright’s sermon that should have been denounced in the first place. However the populace did and as I said before winning is the name of the game.
I do enjoy your posts though and greatly respect your opinion, but I doubt the Wright/Obama relationship is as black and white as either of our perceptions.
I agree with every word in your post.

I did not vote for Obama but when I saw the Wright controversy I was afraid Obama was finished.

Corporate Democrats are still the lesser of two evils with corporate Republicans.

I will never vote for another corporate political hack who continuously vote in the interest of Wall Street and against Main Street.

My preference is people like Ralph Nader and Cornel West who hold views opposite of what corporate Democrats implement like Obama/Clinton and corporate Republicans like Reagan/Bush's.

Americans are desperately in need of a people's party and not these two corrupt corporate parties who divide and conquer so to benefit their friends.

Naturally our friends on the other side will accuse me of Communism/Socialism. LOL

A Quick Aside:

Get back to your original religion!

http://tinyurl.com/agasx29

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#163542 Jul 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure exactly what you are commenting on but Texas has it's Liberal areas. Conservatives never would have elected some one like Sheila Jackson Lee to Congress!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oScEJOL9Q5UXX
Ah, if Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee is a TEXAS Congresswoman, why was she in FLORIDA??? Because she is a race baiter!!!
That's right Rouge does not have a clue what he is commenting on. Clue, the incident was no where near Houston.

But not having a clue has never been sufficient reason for Rouge to refrain from opening his BIG FAT MOUTH and blabbering incoherently.
wojar wrote:
Darn those liberal cops and liberal courts in that LIBTARD state of TEXAS

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