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It was about nine pm when I came out of the shower that they came and informed me I had another mission to fly. I had been up since five am and had flown about ten hours that day but this was Vietnam and I was needed so I got into my flight suit and headed to flight ops.
I did not have my regular copilot but a young captain who was the assistant flight ops off and right out of flight school and we took off at ten pm and arrived a Hotel 3, Saigon thirty minutes later.
We were to pick up some radar parts and a tech from the Air Force and fly him and the parts down to Can Tho and we took off just after midnight. Fifteen minutes later we had just crossed the southern part of Saigon and I looked at the map as my copilot flew.
I then got an odd sensation and checked the instruments. We were 30 degrees nose up and a 45 degree roll to the left when I jumped on the controls. The Captain let go of the controls and spent a few minutes regaining his equilibrium. After another five minutes I asked him if he was okay and he said yes so I turned the controls over to him.
For the next half hour I spent with one eye on the map and the other of the flight instruments. We landed and the tech took the parts to work on the radar and by five am we were ready for the return trip and we arrived back at Plantation about seven am.
In 26 hours I had flown about 14 hours and I was pooped. At least they had removed me, and my aircraft, from the schedule and we all headed for bed.
I good pilot, and copilot, never totally trust anyone!

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Gremlin

A cause of error or equipment malfunction (as in aircraft) conceived of as a small mischievous gnome.

<during the World Wars, fighter pilots developed the fanciful notion the gremlins were responsible for mechanical problems on their planes>

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One of the best pilots I knew was PJ. But he did total out THREE Chinooks. One a combat loss in Vietnam, one a pilot in training failure and the other an emergency that wasn't in the manual until after his third accident.
I was flying a check ride with him and when I started the approach I reduced power and there was a 'klunk' so I increased power and then reduced it again and there was another 'klunk'. We sped up the landing and taxied end and shut it down.
They did not find anything wrong but did decided to do a test flight. So I headed back out as the copilot for the test pilot. The commander made PJ go out with us and he climbed into the jump seat in the companion way between the test pilot and my self.
We took off and on the approach it was 'KLUNK' and he landed and shut it down of the runway and they towed it back to the ramp. It turned out the forward swash pate was failing. A Huey swash plate weighs about 70 pounds and he can pull on it to check the play in the bearings but a Chinook swash plate weighs 300 pounds and that doesn't work. And if the swash plate stops working, the aircraft stops working and that is all she wrote.
We used to say that PJ and had every emergency you can have in a Chinook and live to tell about it and a few you aren't suppose to live and tell about it!

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COMMUNISM IS CREEPING IN ONE STEP AT A TIME, EXACTLY AS PLANNED.
Six trivia questions to see how much history you know. Be honest, it's kinda fun and revealing. If you don't know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions (no cheating) before looking at the answers.
Who said it?
1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above
2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...... And to replace it with shared responsibility ,,,,,for shared prosperity."
A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above
3) "(We).......can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above
4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own ... in order to create this common ground."
A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above
5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."
A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above
6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."
A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above
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Answers:
(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
Wanna know something scary? She may be the next socialist president if you don't forward this to everyone that you know.
As you so eloquently wrote earlier on : QUOTE You are one sick puppy UNQUOTE.

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You do know that Asiana Flight 214 had TWO pilots at the controls but they both screwed up??? Should we have four pilots with four sets of controls?
Now, is it possible that some anarchist got onto the train and released the brakes?
NO.

As to that flight, all high-density passenger planes had a third hand, an engineer. Well, an engineer would've controlled that speed, it was his job. Period.

Train one km long, 70 high-explosive tank cars. ONE engineer. And, get this, what more perfect a target for a terrorist? Guards put there by the train company? What for?

The story is as follows : One hour before tragedy, lead locomotive caught fire while engineer slept in motel. Volunteer fire fighters had to stop the engine to fight the fire, had to disconnect the brakes. Fire was put out. Firefighters then left the train in the custody of the Montreal and Maine representative WHO DID NOT CALL THE ENGINEER TO CHECK THE LOCOMITIVE. Train started to roll one hour after and as Rooney said, "rhe rest of the story".

You think one engineer for a 1 km-long train with 70+ cars filled with high-explosive oil is sufficient? Why do you jump to these bigwigs' defence instantly? You are in the victims' camp, or could be. What's the matter with you? 1/3 of the town is in ruins, 15 dead, toll could rise to 50 as 35 are missing and you're rooting for the big guys? What kind of vassal are you anyway? The Canadian Dept of Transport is now reviewing its one-engineer rule. Pro big business idiots. A bit late, no?

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Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).
One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
And it is irrational (to say the least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.(Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim,and...
Obama needs more than a BC to be POTUS. He's required to have Parents who were BOTH Americans. He didn't.DQ'd.

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Train derailment at Lac Mégantic, Québec
Our Prime Minister believes in letting industry have a free hand, convinced, and he has repeated it oftentimes, that industry is better positioned to regulate itself in all matters of administration, human resources, environment and safety. That policy is a carbon copy of the USA's republican credo of gov't "hands-off" big business.
Well, in this catastrophe,(village levelled, 13 dead, 37 missing and feared dead), we have the following facts to consider :
1. In Canada, TWO engineers are required by law in every locomotive, no matter size and length of train;
2. In the U.S., and under pressure by lobbyist from the great railroad companies, legislation was passed a while back allowing for the presence of only ONE engineer on railroad convoys;
3. Many American trains run convoys in Canada. Normal. Last year, our gov't granted U.S. trains permission to only staff one engineer on convoys;
4. In the meantime, OUR Canadian trains MUST have two engineers, it's the law. Thank you, Mr.Harper, dear conservative (translation : Republican) prime minister;
5. The train, all 70 cars+ loaded with flammable oil, with the only engineer having checked all systems, no help from a 2nd engineer (hey, not needed) went to his motel to sleep the night away;
6. Oh, it is thought he may not have set the air brake;
7. Train started downhill, we know the rest. Again, thank your Mr conservative Prime Ministrer. Yes, those companies are best suited to regulate themselves.
P.S.: Oh , the CEO of the Maine and whatever company came up from NY. Apologies? Hmm, very little. He did manage, however, to imply that train had been tampered with. Sigh.
There you go again, blaming a Conservative without knowing anything about the case and I was RIGHT! It appears to be SABOTAGE!!! Probably by some LOONY-LEFTY!!!(Please note I did not say that was definite but the usual suspects are people like the Occutards, ELFS, etc.)
Police: Evidence criminal act may have led to Canada train crash
By Eliott C. McLaughlin. Ben Brumfield. Paula Newton and Joe Sterling, CNN, Tue July 9, 2013

Lac-Megantic, Quebec (CNN)-- Canadian authorities have found evidence that a criminal act may have led to a train crash in Lac-Megantic, Quebec, that killed at least 15 people, provincial police Capt. Michel Forget said Tuesday.
There have been many questions about the crash and explosion that wiped out a swath of the town 130 miles east of Montreal. As of Tuesday evening, 35 people were still missing, Forget said.
Authorities offered no further details about the case but said it was not caused by terrorism.
"I will not speculate on the elements that we have recovered," Forget told reporters.
Investigators had earlier said that they are trying to figure out whether the train's brakes were disabled before it barreled at a dangerous speed into the Quebec town, derailed and burst into a deadly inferno.
Firefighters in the nearby town of Nantes put out a separate blaze on the train shortly before it crashed into Lac-Megantic early Saturday. Ed Burkhardt, chief executive officer and president of Rail World, the parent company of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway, has told media outlets there's evidence the engine powering the brakes was shut down at some point.
Pressed to elaborate by CTV, Burkhardt wrote Tuesday in an e-mail exchange, "We are now aware the firefighters shut down the locomotive. By the time (Montreal, Maine & Atlantic) people found out, it was too late."
In earlier comments to the Montreal Gazette, he said the matter needs further investigation, and his company has begun an internal inquiry.
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NO.
As to that flight, all high-density passenger planes had a third hand, an engineer. Well, an engineer would've controlled that speed, it was his job. Period.
Train one km long, 70 high-explosive tank cars. ONE engineer. And, get this, what more perfect a target for a terrorist? Guards put there by the train company? What for?
The story is as follows : One hour before tragedy, lead locomotive caught fire while engineer slept in motel. Volunteer fire fighters had to stop the engine to fight the fire, had to disconnect the brakes. Fire was put out. Firefighters then left the train in the custody of the Montreal and Maine representative WHO DID NOT CALL THE ENGINEER TO CHECK THE LOCOMITIVE. Train started to roll one hour after and as Rooney said, "rhe rest of the story".
You think one engineer for a 1 km-long train with 70+ cars filled with high-explosive oil is sufficient? Why do you jump to these bigwigs' defence instantly? You are in the victims' camp, or could be. What's the matter with you? 1/3 of the town is in ruins, 15 dead, toll could rise to 50 as 35 are missing and you're rooting for the big guys? What kind of vassal are you anyway? The Canadian Dept of Transport is now reviewing its one-engineer rule. Pro big business idiots. A bit late, no?
Are you f-ing clueless. You should be smart enough not to argument with me on aviation subjects. They did away with flight engineers decades ago!!!!! And besides, the flight engineers job is not flying the airplane but maintaining the engines.
Lets's talk about a Lockheed Super Connie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Constellati...
The first time I flew the Atlantic was in a Super Connie and not only did they have a flight engineer, they also had a navigator which modern planes no longer have.
But back to the Super Connie. They had four 18-cylinder radial piston engines (that's 72 cylinders per aircraft) which have two spark plugs per cylinder (which makes 144 spark plugs) and four compound magnetos per engine (16 magnetos per aircraft) and you had to adjust the fixtures in the carburetors/fuel injection systems).
A joke was when you landed was to fill the oil tanks and check the gas tanks!
Oh, a 200 flight hour spark plug change would cost you about $7,200 just for the spark plugs and back then that meant every two months! Yep, if the plane flies 100 hours per month, that adds up to $180,000 today just to change the spark plugs EACH YEAR! And that is one of the reasons why they went to jet engines!

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Train one km long, 70 high-explosive tank cars. ONE engineer. And, get this, what more perfect a target for a terrorist? Guards put there by the train company? What for?
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Well, a railroad train may be a km (0.61 miles) long but are you going to put a two meter high fences all along the rail road tracks? 1,000 miles (1,600 +/- km) of tracks would requires 2,000 miles (3,200 +/- km) of fencing?
It is one thing to fence in an airport but a rail line?!?
Typically you blame a Conservative when it was probably a Libtard who sabotaged the train!
Oh, hat article ruled out terrorism! But it might have been a disgruntled UNION employee!!!! UNION employees are noted for sabotaging things!
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<quoted text>Obama needs more than a BC to be POTUS. He's required to have Parents who were BOTH Americans. He didn't.DQ'd.
Bobbie is required to have more than fables and spam to support his frivolous lawsuits. He doesn't. He lost. Over and over and over.

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This is how complex aircraft piston engines had become. This engine was re-engineered form of the engine that powered the B-29 bombers of WWII and had compound turbines (sort of a half-jet engine). Sure they got over three times as many miles per gallon but the used 115/145 octane AvGas which had very high levels of lead additive. They were also very high in maintenance. It was not uncommon to change at least one spark plug after every flight.
You really needed an flight engineer to run the planes that had these engines!

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Oh, cargo planes often have flight engineers to include Chinook helicopters but they do not monitor the engines in flight. But the big passenger airliners do not have them and haven't had in decades. Same thing as navigators. Yes, they use to use sextants in transoceanic flights.

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Hummm, text messages deleted from Trayvon's phone ..... but recovered!?! One of them involved in ... fighting?!? Had Trayvon assaulted other people recent to the Zimmerman assault???
And who would have delete these text messages???

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Are you f-ing clueless. You should be smart enough not to argument with me on aviation subjects. They did away with flight engineers decades ago!!!!! And besides, the flight engineers job is not flying the airplane but maintaining the engines.
Lets's talk about a Lockheed Super Connie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Constellati...
The first time I flew the Atlantic was in a Super Connie and not only did they have a flight engineer, they also had a navigator which modern planes no longer have.
But back to the Super Connie. They had four 18-cylinder radial piston engines (that's 72 cylinders per aircraft) which have two spark plugs per cylinder (which makes 144 spark plugs) and four compound magnetos per engine (16 magnetos per aircraft) and you had to adjust the fixtures in the carburetors/fuel injection systems).
A joke was when you landed was to fill the oil tanks and check the gas tanks!
Oh, a 200 flight hour spark plug change would cost you about $7,200 just for the spark plugs and back then that meant every two months! Yep, if the plane flies 100 hours per month, that adds up to $180,000 today just to change the spark plugs EACH YEAR! And that is one of the reasons why they went to jet engines!
What is the f-ing for? I know more about commercial aviation than you do and that's been obvious since we've started exchanging on it. You prove my point by saying flight engineers' job was to "maintain" the engine. Contrary to what you believe, flight engineer did not walk on the wing in flight to inspect an repair the engine if need be, but to monitor the INSTRUMENTS of the engines and, in Asiana's case THE SPEED of the airplane. I know they did away with them decades ago, it was controversial then and still is today.

Stick to your helicopters and toy private airplane. I'm familiar with the Super Connie. I've flown in it. Have you?

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Well, a railroad train may be a km (0.61 miles) long but are you going to put a two meter high fences all along the rail road tracks? 1,000 miles (1,600 +/- km) of tracks would requires 2,000 miles (3,200 +/- km) of fencing?
It is one thing to fence in an airport but a rail line?!?
Typically you blame a Conservative when it was probably a Libtard who sabotaged the train!
Oh, hat article ruled out terrorism! But it might have been a disgruntled UNION employee!!!! UNION employees are noted for sabotaging things!
Did you sleep well last night? Have you totally lost it? Fence all along the 1000 mile-long tracks. Who suggested that, you? I said a simple guard when the train is parked, for heaven's sake. Not a 5,000 mile long fence!

The lying company president said the locomotive may have been tampered with, and now, union, employee and ordinary middle class person Rogue bashes the Union. Poor vassal.

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Oh, cargo planes often have flight engineers to include Chinook helicopters but they do not monitor the engines in flight. But the big passenger airliners do not have them and haven't had in decades. Same thing as navigators. Yes, they use to use sextants in transoceanic flights.
Why do insist talking apples and oranges?

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What is the f-ing for? I know more about commercial aviation than you do and that's been obvious since we've started exchanging on it. You prove my point by saying flight engineers' job was to "maintain" the engine. Contrary to what you believe, flight engineer did not walk on the wing in flight to inspect an repair the engine if need be, but to monitor the INSTRUMENTS of the engines and, in Asiana's case THE SPEED of the airplane. I know they did away with them decades ago, it was controversial then and still is today.
Stick to your helicopters and toy private airplane. I'm familiar with the Super Connie. I've flown in it. Have you?
Yes, in December 1958 I flew in a TWA Super Connie from Frankfurt Germany to Idlewild, New York with stops in Shannon and Gander.
Oh, flight engineers do not maintain airspeed as airspeed is maintained through "pitch" control which either requires a control stick or yoke and the FE does not have access to either in flight.
Do you know what a turbo-compound engine is?
Oh, here is a picture of a B-36 Flight Engineer's station.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
On a Chinook, the FE does not make any adjustments to the engines. A Chinook has two engines and one APU. And do you know the Boeing 777 also has just TWO engines and ONE APU? So why should they need an FE when the pilots can do that???
You need to stay in the passenger seat as you are clueless what is going on on the flight deck.

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As if there are not important things to accomplish in Congress these two Dems are wasting time. Ah, why don't they visit their proposed National Parks?

Dems pitch national park on the moon
Posted on July 10, 2013 by Cowboy Byte

Two House Democrats have proposed legislation that would establish a national historical park on the surface of the moon to mark where the Apollo missions landed between 1969 and 1972.

Read more: http://cowboybyte.com/22916/dems-pitch-nation...

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Yes, in December 1958 I flew in a TWA Super Connie from Frankfurt Germany to Idlewild, New York with stops in Shannon and Gander.
Oh, flight engineers do not maintain airspeed as airspeed is maintained through "pitch" control which either requires a control stick or yoke and the FE does not have access to either in flight.
Do you know what a turbo-compound engine is?
Oh, here is a picture of a B-36 Flight Engineer's station.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
On a Chinook, the FE does not make any adjustments to the engines. A Chinook has two engines and one APU. And do you know the Boeing 777 also has just TWO engines and ONE APU? So why should they need an FE when the pilots can do that???
You need to stay in the passenger seat as you are clueless what is going on on the flight deck.
You wrote : "Oh, flight engineers do not maintain airspeed as airspeed is maintained through "pitch" control which either requires a control stick or yoke ". True, but they make sure the pilot has the requisite power to maintain said air speed. Also, a third WORKING pilot or engineer, not two additional resting pilots NOT in the cockpit, is a third eye, observer who helps fly what is a very complex/complicated machine.

There is an excellent article in this morning's Citizen on how pilots are losing their flying skills to automation. I recall the Airbus 330 crash in the Atlantic off Brazil, what, 2 years ago. Total total pilot error, both of them. A flight engineer may have helped. A new pilot may not have been able to successfully ditch his A320 on the Hudson the way Capt Sullenberger did. But Sullenberger had so much manual flying experience, he was able to pull it off. The Bombardier Winter and ice-laden wings crash a few years back, again, total pilot error, both of them.

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Why do insist talking apples and oranges?
You're the one who claims Boeing 777s have FEs!!! In fact B-747s and Airbus 380s, which have twice as many engines, do not have FEs!!!
Did you know commercial passenger planes that have less than 15 passengers are NOT required to have cabin doors to the cockpits not flight attendants?!?
In fact, not until after 9/11/01 was there required to be a "secure" cabin door on any plane!!!! The purpose of the cabin door was to keep smoke out of the cockpit.
In the Rickie Nelson plane fire the only two people who walked away were the pilots! WHY? They had their cabin door closed and as the cabin filled with smoke, they were able to land. If there had been no cabin door, they too would have been over come by the smoke and then no one would have had a chance to survive the cabin fire.
Oh, there was some specialization that Rickie was smoking cocaine but the FAA ruled it was a cabin heater fire!
Oh, the Leonard Skinner crash was caused by the plane running out of fuel. Buddy Holly's by air frame icing in flight. And Otis Reading's crash was not solved.
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I, like many, had never heard of Otis until after his death.

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