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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163199 Jul 10, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, a railroad train may be a km (0.61 miles) long but are you going to put a two meter high fences all along the rail road tracks? 1,000 miles (1,600 +/- km) of tracks would requires 2,000 miles (3,200 +/- km) of fencing?
It is one thing to fence in an airport but a rail line?!?
Typically you blame a Conservative when it was probably a Libtard who sabotaged the train!
Oh, hat article ruled out terrorism! But it might have been a disgruntled UNION employee!!!! UNION employees are noted for sabotaging things!
Did you sleep well last night? Have you totally lost it? Fence all along the 1000 mile-long tracks. Who suggested that, you? I said a simple guard when the train is parked, for heaven's sake. Not a 5,000 mile long fence!

The lying company president said the locomotive may have been tampered with, and now, union, employee and ordinary middle class person Rogue bashes the Union. Poor vassal.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163200 Jul 10, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, cargo planes often have flight engineers to include Chinook helicopters but they do not monitor the engines in flight. But the big passenger airliners do not have them and haven't had in decades. Same thing as navigators. Yes, they use to use sextants in transoceanic flights.
Why do insist talking apples and oranges?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163201 Jul 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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What is the f-ing for? I know more about commercial aviation than you do and that's been obvious since we've started exchanging on it. You prove my point by saying flight engineers' job was to "maintain" the engine. Contrary to what you believe, flight engineer did not walk on the wing in flight to inspect an repair the engine if need be, but to monitor the INSTRUMENTS of the engines and, in Asiana's case THE SPEED of the airplane. I know they did away with them decades ago, it was controversial then and still is today.
Stick to your helicopters and toy private airplane. I'm familiar with the Super Connie. I've flown in it. Have you?
Yes, in December 1958 I flew in a TWA Super Connie from Frankfurt Germany to Idlewild, New York with stops in Shannon and Gander.
Oh, flight engineers do not maintain airspeed as airspeed is maintained through "pitch" control which either requires a control stick or yoke and the FE does not have access to either in flight.
Do you know what a turbo-compound engine is?
Oh, here is a picture of a B-36 Flight Engineer's station.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
On a Chinook, the FE does not make any adjustments to the engines. A Chinook has two engines and one APU. And do you know the Boeing 777 also has just TWO engines and ONE APU? So why should they need an FE when the pilots can do that???
You need to stay in the passenger seat as you are clueless what is going on on the flight deck.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163202 Jul 10, 2013
As if there are not important things to accomplish in Congress these two Dems are wasting time. Ah, why don't they visit their proposed National Parks?

Dems pitch national park on the moon
Posted on July 10, 2013 by Cowboy Byte

Two House Democrats have proposed legislation that would establish a national historical park on the surface of the moon to mark where the Apollo missions landed between 1969 and 1972.

Read more: http://cowboybyte.com/22916/dems-pitch-nation...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163203 Jul 10, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, in December 1958 I flew in a TWA Super Connie from Frankfurt Germany to Idlewild, New York with stops in Shannon and Gander.
Oh, flight engineers do not maintain airspeed as airspeed is maintained through "pitch" control which either requires a control stick or yoke and the FE does not have access to either in flight.
Do you know what a turbo-compound engine is?
Oh, here is a picture of a B-36 Flight Engineer's station.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
On a Chinook, the FE does not make any adjustments to the engines. A Chinook has two engines and one APU. And do you know the Boeing 777 also has just TWO engines and ONE APU? So why should they need an FE when the pilots can do that???
You need to stay in the passenger seat as you are clueless what is going on on the flight deck.
You wrote : "Oh, flight engineers do not maintain airspeed as airspeed is maintained through "pitch" control which either requires a control stick or yoke ". True, but they make sure the pilot has the requisite power to maintain said air speed. Also, a third WORKING pilot or engineer, not two additional resting pilots NOT in the cockpit, is a third eye, observer who helps fly what is a very complex/complicated machine.

There is an excellent article in this morning's Citizen on how pilots are losing their flying skills to automation. I recall the Airbus 330 crash in the Atlantic off Brazil, what, 2 years ago. Total total pilot error, both of them. A flight engineer may have helped. A new pilot may not have been able to successfully ditch his A320 on the Hudson the way Capt Sullenberger did. But Sullenberger had so much manual flying experience, he was able to pull it off. The Bombardier Winter and ice-laden wings crash a few years back, again, total pilot error, both of them.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163204 Jul 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do insist talking apples and oranges?
You're the one who claims Boeing 777s have FEs!!! In fact B-747s and Airbus 380s, which have twice as many engines, do not have FEs!!!
Did you know commercial passenger planes that have less than 15 passengers are NOT required to have cabin doors to the cockpits not flight attendants?!?
In fact, not until after 9/11/01 was there required to be a "secure" cabin door on any plane!!!! The purpose of the cabin door was to keep smoke out of the cockpit.
In the Rickie Nelson plane fire the only two people who walked away were the pilots! WHY? They had their cabin door closed and as the cabin filled with smoke, they were able to land. If there had been no cabin door, they too would have been over come by the smoke and then no one would have had a chance to survive the cabin fire.
Oh, there was some specialization that Rickie was smoking cocaine but the FAA ruled it was a cabin heater fire!
Oh, the Leonard Skinner crash was caused by the plane running out of fuel. Buddy Holly's by air frame icing in flight. And Otis Reading's crash was not solved.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
I, like many, had never heard of Otis until after his death.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163205 Jul 10, 2013
Jim Croce also died in a Beech-18 aircraft crash. His plain hit a tree on takeoff at night. There were many ex-military Beech-18s available and were very popular. Many are still in service and they are all older than I am.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163206 Jul 10, 2013
Now here are some idiots on this Beech-18! I do not see an "N" number so I can't tell if this is an American registered aircraft but I am sure the FAA would bot be happy if this was done in the U.S.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163207 Jul 10, 2013
And here is a picture of a WWII Beech-18 being used as a trainer for bombardiers and navigators. "AT" means Advanced Trainer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beechcraft_... (00910460_103).jpg

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163208 Jul 10, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the one who claims Boeing 777s have FEs!!! In fact B-747s and Airbus 380s, which have twice as many engines, do not have FEs!!!
Did you know commercial passenger planes that have less than 15 passengers are NOT required to have cabin doors to the cockpits not flight attendants?!?
In fact, not until after 9/11/01 was there required to be a "secure" cabin door on any plane!!!! The purpose of the cabin door was to keep smoke out of the cockpit.
In the Rickie Nelson plane fire the only two people who walked away were the pilots! WHY? They had their cabin door closed and as the cabin filled with smoke, they were able to land. If there had been no cabin door, they too would have been over come by the smoke and then no one would have had a chance to survive the cabin fire.
Oh, there was some specialization that Rickie was smoking cocaine but the FAA ruled it was a cabin heater fire!
Oh, the Leonard Skinner crash was caused by the plane running out of fuel. Buddy Holly's by air frame icing in flight. And Otis Reading's crash was not solved.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
I, like many, had never heard of Otis until after his death.
Ridiculous and liar is what you are. Where have I ever claimed that 777s have Flight engineers? When? FEs went out with the bath water 30 years ago if not more. ALL aircraft, 2 or 4-engined. Now tell me, where and when did I claim 777s have a FE?

All the other stuff that follows, I'm familiar with. I've not piloted (well, they have let me "drive" small Cessnas for the hell of it), but have flown in so many aircraft types, military, commercial and civilian, I almost forget which eqpt. One I'll never forget was aboard a Herc over the Sahara at 200 knots and not more than 200 feet altitude. Scary, scary, scary but the adrenaline! Was sitting in the jump seat and yes, it had a flight engineer.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163209 Jul 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote : "Oh, flight engineers do not maintain airspeed as airspeed is maintained through "pitch" control which either requires a control stick or yoke ". True, but they make sure the pilot has the requisite power to maintain said air speed. Also, a third WORKING pilot or engineer, not two additional resting pilots NOT in the cockpit, is a third eye, observer who helps fly what is a very complex/complicated machine.
There is an excellent article in this morning's Citizen on how pilots are losing their flying skills to automation. I recall the Airbus 330 crash in the Atlantic off Brazil, what, 2 years ago. Total total pilot error, both of them. A flight engineer may have helped. A new pilot may not have been able to successfully ditch his A320 on the Hudson the way Capt Sullenberger did. But Sullenberger had so much manual flying experience, he was able to pull it off. The Bombardier Winter and ice-laden wings crash a few years back, again, total pilot error, both of them.
Ah, they have auto-throttles to do that these days. The problem is that for it to function the glide slope on the ILS had to be working and it was out of service and both the pilot and copilot failed to catch it.
In any event, the copilot would have done it manually and a FE is not only not needed, there is no FE station for an FE to do that job!!!!
The Air France 447 crash off of Brazil in in 2009 was caused by poor airmanship and a computer glitch. Just like when people to so use to calculators they can not do simple math, plane are also highly computerized these days and if your basic airmanship is not up to snuff and you have a computer failure like the AF plane did, you all die!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#163210 Jul 10, 2013
That is right, Jacques. What goes up must come down. Every time one of those planes gets airborne it defies the laws of gravity.
Seeing those two jokers belly-flop into the seawall solidifies my belief that man was not meant to fly.
There is no sum of money you could pay me to ever get in one of those contraptions ever again.
My flying days are over and have been since 9/11.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163211 Jul 10, 2013
Late model Air Bus jets have three-channel autopilot computers. If one set of sensors fail (in this case, ice-up) but if two sets fail, the computer thinks the one that did not fail, is the one that did and it tries to fly on the two failed sensors.
This is when you go to your basic, 1903, airmanship and neither of the pilots at the controls were able to do that and everyone died. Boeing does not do what Airbus does. They have a set of sensors for the pilot's instruments, one for the copilot's and the third is for the autopilot. No computer to get confuzerized!!!!
If it ain't a Boeing, I ain't agoin'!!!!
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163212 Jul 10, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
COMMUNISM IS CREEPING IN ONE STEP AT A TIME, EXACTLY AS PLANNED.
Six trivia questions to see how much history you know. Be honest, it's kinda fun and revealing. If you don't know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions (no cheating) before looking at the answers.
Who said it?
1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above
2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...... And to replace it with shared responsibility ,,,,,for shared prosperity."
A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above
3) "(We).......can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above
4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own ... in order to create this common ground."
A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above
5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."
A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above
6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."
A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above
Scroll down for answers
Answers:
(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
Wanna know something scary? She may be the next socialist president if you don't forward this to everyone that you know.
You are one VERY sick puppy.

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Hillary Clinton Incorporated
Clinton Campaign Strategists Closely Tied to Union Busters, GOP Operatives, Conservative Media
http://tinyurl.com/4gcptvv
http://www.thenation.com/print/article/hillar...

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Hillary Clinton & Rupert Murdoch
By Jeff Cohen 10 May 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/yo9y6d

Excuse me for not getting fired up when I hear Democratic leaders bleating about the "culture of corruption" in Washington under GOP rule. Sometimes I have to laugh ... and not because the charges against the Republicans aren't true. They're totally true.
It's just that top Democrats are up to their eyeballs in that same culture of corruption - which may be why they seem blind to how activists see them. Take my New York senator, Hillary Clinton. The Financial Times just reported that she and her re-election campaign have lined up right-wing media mogul Rupert Murdoch to host a Hillary fundraiser in July.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163213 Jul 10, 2013
Oh, my plane does not have an all-glass cockpit. It has the old standard six-pack "steam" gauges (round analog) and a Aspen Evolution 1000 PFD. I am old school and I am used to the old type gauges.
Here is a video of a similar set up to mine.

But I can see why someone someone would become over reliant on the newer systems.
My attitude gyro and directional gyro are vacuum driven (no electricity) off of the engine while my Aspen is not only electric, it has it's own battery backup.
So I would have to have multiple malfunctions before I would be lost-in-space!
Oh, I have THREE GPS navigation systems. Dual Garmin 430s and the Aspen not only has a built in GPS but it is also battery backed up!
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163214 Jul 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever happens, life goes on.
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163215 Jul 10, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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Thanks! The right wings disinformation bureau has so distorted the actual ACORN narrative that few know of the excellent deeds and services they actually provided on behalf of the poor and middle class. This excellent article is a prime example
http://www.ilsr.org/acorn-federal-governments...
Then comes the one Rogue variety comment at the bottom.
“Wallace
Gee you conveniently left out the documented cases of VOTER fraud perpetuated by ACORN volunteers... These are not "allegations" these are CONVICTIONS... in at LEAST eleven states.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G ...
http://www.newsrealblog.com/20 ...
TWO seconds on google will give you plenty more examples”
Of course like Rogue he links to no examples of ACORN “voter fraud” and six months of searching google will find none either. The “ACORN volunteers” part I assume he pulled from his ass.
Thanks for the links.

I could not agree more with your post.

However, it is extremely sad how Obama threw ACORN and Rev. Wright under the bus.

Rev. Wright and the Press
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163216 Jul 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
"The “ACORN volunteers” part I assume he pulled from his ass." Normal, that is were his grey matter resides.
More accurately Limbaugh's pineal cyst region.

LOL
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163217 Jul 10, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether or not he walks is not nearly as germane as having never went to trial. Had the circumstances been reversed I’m sure we all know Travon would have still been in jail with a PD pleading his case.
The trial at least serves notice that there should indeed be consequences when one haphazardly takes another’s life. Zimmerman should have never been allowed to just walk away.
I agree, The Sanford police department has a history of racism as do most societies.

Might makes right.

NOT!
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163218 Jul 10, 2013
ACORN: Federal Government’s Best Investment Ever
Sep 23, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/madjheh
http://www.ilsr.org/acorn-federal-governments...

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