BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Read more
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163155 Jul 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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And please note I have not predicted or taken sides in the trial, as you have, akin to watching a football game. Let the jurors decide and just accept the verdict. It may appear fair or unfair to both sides, and that's the way it is, but life goes on, get on with it.
Assendo, you sure posted a doozy or two yesterday. How come you never make posts like those under your jackfish name? Crude, vile, disgusting and belittling is a gross understatement. I tell it like it is, not you, and you're a two-faced, lying scumbag that's not worth spitting on.
Las Cruces retiree

Las Cruces, NM

#163156 Jul 9, 2013
Forum wrote:
<quoted text>
Why New Mexico?
Nothing but criminals here.
Governor won't leave children alone.
She wants to retain 3rd graders.
She is not a lawyer, not a parent. It is none of
her business.
They want public office so they can control
other peoples lives.
They should just arrest her.
Child abuse.
I agree that there are nothing but criminals here. The Democrats have controlled the financial purse strings of this state for the last 60 years. No voter id of any sort can be asked at polling stations. Undocumented immigrants walk across the Rio Grande and come here to have babies for free.

Our governor cannot do anything because the Dems control both branches of the legislature and the courts. I agree that we should not have elected her. It only gives Dems a chance to complain.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163157 Jul 9, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Assendo, you sure posted a doozy or two yesterday. How come you never make posts like those under your jackfish name? Crude, vile, disgusting and belittling is a gross understatement. I tell it like it is, not you, and you're a two-faced, lying scumbag that's not worth spitting on.
??????? Please indicate post numbers.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163158 Jul 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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??????? Please indicate post numbers.
Just between us, we really don't need post numbers, do we? You know what you said and so do I. Right? You're the epitome of scum. Useless.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163159 Jul 9, 2013
Opensecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
That Damien was a rambunctious little fellow.
LOL
Chip off the old block?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163160 Jul 9, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Just between us, we really don't need post numbers, do we? You know what you said and so do I. Right? You're the epitome of scum. Useless.
Transference. Projection. Poor loser.

As usual, you're cornered, have no follow-up to your hateful pipe dreams, and you THINK you've come up with a smart answer. NOT.

The jury has signified its total boredom with your asinine and clueless posts. It again finds you guilty of stupidity, ignorance and harbouring a hate-filled disposition. It sentences you to spend the rest of your useless aimless life alternating between three locales, namely one third with American commie Pravda er hmm Lady, one third at Foxnews.com HQ and one third at Wnd.com .
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163162 Jul 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Chip off the old block?
No doubt in my mind! LOL

Truth be told I enjoy movies like the Omen.

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P.S. I am watching the Defense M.E. and IMO this case is over.

Zimmerman walks.

Slim chance of manslaughter.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163163 Jul 9, 2013
Opensecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
No doubt in my mind! LOL
Truth be told I enjoy movies like the Omen.
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P.S. I am watching the Defense M.E. and IMO this case is over.
Zimmerman walks.
Slim chance of manslaughter.
You could be right about Z. We'll see.
Opensecrets org

Sayville, NY

#163164 Jul 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You could be right about Z. We'll see.
I hope I'm wrong.

Hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

lol

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163165 Jul 9, 2013
Opensecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope I'm wrong.
Hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
lol
Whatever happens, life goes on.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#163166 Jul 9, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
SHEEPLE, Here we are 5 YEARS LATER, and you still cannot prove Obama's alleged Hawaiian birth as a fact with a KNOWN FRAUDULENT BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
Some things will never change, Eh?
Worse yet, you still can't prove that Obama has never given up his US citizenship, if he ever had it to begin with, since he is a self admitted British-Kenyan citizen at birth, and was listed as an Indonesian citizen as a child on an Indonesian School Record.
Where is the proof that Obama ever even swore an allegiance to the US ALONE before he was sworn in as a usurping pResident and took complete control of most sources of information and all of our Government Agencies?
Hell Obama hasn't even proven that he is indeed a US citizen yet and you take a KNOWN LIAR, COMPLETE FRAUD like Obama's word as though he was speaking some kind of gospel with a message that only the SHEEPLE like you can decipher and understand why you believe it is true!
The questions about Obama still remain and the proof is still lacking even AFTER 5 FUCKING YEARS of ALLOWING THIS ANTI-AMERICAN Muslim loving gay supporting FRAUD to launch an unprecedented attack on Americans rights while pushing an immigration bill that would basically legalize most, if not all of the fraud that he committed to get the job that he now ILLEGALLY holds!
SHEEPLE are REALLY STUPID, Huh?
IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.
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Explanation SHEEPLE?
Re: "KNOWN FRAUDULENT BIRTH CERTIFICATE!"

Answer: And YOU cannot prove that it is fraudulent. Birther "experts" claiming that it is fraudulent does not make it fraudulent.

Re: "Worse yet, you still can't prove that Obama has never given up his US citizenship..."

Answer: Yes, we can, and it is easy to prove. You see, US citizenship can only be given up in a written statement filed in front of a government official, in most cases a US Consul (when overseas), and no such document has been found.

Re: " he is a self admitted British-Kenyan citizen at birth..."

Answer: Yes. So what? It has absolutely no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. Dual citizens born in the US are NBCs like all other children born in the USA.

Re: "was listed as an Indonesian citizen as a child on an Indonesian School Record...."

Answer: Yes, but that was a lie to get him into that school. The Indonesian government, which is the authority on this matter, says that Obama was never an Indonesian citizen.

Re: "a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. "

Answer. Yes, one was issued, but it wasn't to Obama. Did you know that only 63 people went from the USA to Kenya in 1961 and NONE of them went by air. They all went by sea--which would have been very difficult for Obama's mother to do because of college and late in pregnancy. And, did you know that only 21 people came from Kenya to the USA in 1961, and of them only one came by air, and that one was not a US citizen---so still enormously difficult for his mother to do. And, finally, the Kenyan government says that it investigated the claim that Obama was born there, and that it is not true.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#163167 Jul 9, 2013
Continuing:

Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

And it is irrational (to say the least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#163168 Jul 9, 2013
Continuing:

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#163170 Jul 9, 2013
Opensecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent piece.
Thanks! The right wings disinformation bureau has so distorted the actual ACORN narrative that few know of the excellent deeds and services they actually provided on behalf of the poor and middle class. This excellent article is a prime example
http://www.ilsr.org/acorn-federal-governments...

Then comes the one Rogue variety comment at the bottom.

“Wallace
Gee you conveniently left out the documented cases of VOTER fraud perpetuated by ACORN volunteers... These are not "allegations" these are CONVICTIONS... in at LEAST eleven states.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G ...
http://www.newsrealblog.com/20 ...
TWO seconds on google will give you plenty more examples”

Of course like Rogue he links to no examples of ACORN “voter fraud” and six months of searching google will find none either. The “ACORN volunteers” part I assume he pulled from his ass.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163171 Jul 9, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks! The right wings disinformation bureau has so distorted the actual ACORN narrative that few know of the excellent deeds and services they actually provided on behalf of the poor and middle class. This excellent article is a prime example
http://www.ilsr.org/acorn-federal-governments...
Then comes the one Rogue variety comment at the bottom.
“Wallace
Gee you conveniently left out the documented cases of VOTER fraud perpetuated by ACORN volunteers... These are not "allegations" these are CONVICTIONS... in at LEAST eleven states.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G ...
http://www.newsrealblog.com/20 ...
TWO seconds on google will give you plenty more examples”
Of course like Rogue he links to no examples of ACORN “voter fraud” and six months of searching google will find none either. The “ACORN volunteers” part I assume he pulled from his ass.
"The “ACORN volunteers” part I assume he pulled from his ass." Normal, that is were his grey matter resides.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#163172 Jul 9, 2013
Opensecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope I'm wrong.
Hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
lol
Whether or not he walks is not nearly as germane as having never went to trial. Had the circumstances been reversed I’m sure we all know Travon would have still been in jail with a PD pleading his case.

The trial at least serves notice that there should indeed be consequences when one haphazardly takes another’s life. Zimmerman should have never been allowed to just walk away.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#163173 Jul 9, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Continuing:
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;
(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);
(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).
If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
Poor GB still dreaming the impossible dream.
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Aw, so sad.
2012: Thrill Is Gone for Dems
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Twilight?
RASMUSSEN: R 49% O 48%
I think Obama's halo is now cracked.
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Come to Papa.
Poll: Romney Up 1 in Michigan
And apparently assuming he had a prayer of beating the unbeatable foe.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#163174 Jul 9, 2013
Assumed
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#163175 Jul 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Transference. Projection. Poor loser.
As usual, you're cornered, have no follow-up to your hateful pipe dreams, and you THINK you've come up with a smart answer. NOT.
The jury has signified its total boredom with your asinine and clueless posts. It again finds you guilty of stupidity, ignorance and harbouring a hate-filled disposition. It sentences you to spend the rest of your useless aimless life alternating between three locales, namely one third with American commie Pravda er hmm Lady, one third at Foxnews.com HQ and one third at Wnd.com .
Umm, no. My post was "SPOT ON"! You're scum.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#163176 Jul 9, 2013
Train derailment at Lac Mégantic, Québec

Our Prime Minister believes in letting industry have a free hand, convinced, and he has repeated it oftentimes, that industry is better positioned to regulate itself in all matters of administration, human resources, environment and safety. That policy is a carbon copy of the USA's republican credo of gov't "hands-off" big business.

Well, in this catastrophe,(village levelled, 13 dead, 37 missing and feared dead), we have the following facts to consider :

1. In Canada, TWO engineers are required by law in every locomotive, no matter size and length of train;

2. In the U.S., and under pressure by lobbyist from the great railroad companies, legislation was passed a while back allowing for the presence of only ONE engineer on railroad convoys;

3. Many American trains run convoys in Canada. Normal. Last year, our gov't granted U.S. trains permission to only staff one engineer on convoys;

4. In the meantime, OUR Canadian trains MUST have two engineers, it's the law. Thank you, Mr.Harper, dear conservative (translation : Republican) prime minister;

5. The train, all 70 cars+ loaded with flammable oil, with the only engineer having checked all systems, no help from a 2nd engineer (hey, not needed) went to his motel to sleep the night away;

6. Oh, it is thought he may not have set the air brake;

7. Train started downhill, we know the rest. Again, thank your Mr conservative Prime Ministrer. Yes, those companies are best suited to regulate themselves.

P.S.: Oh , the CEO of the Maine and whatever company came up from NY. Apologies? Hmm, very little. He did manage, however, to imply that train had been tampered with. Sigh.

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