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Mr. Lunatic, if you had taken the time, you would have seen that I did not mention Zimmerman or anyone else that may have waived the right to invoke SYG. Please do try and keep up. You're becoming an infantile nuisance, or, in other words, a moronic midget! I told you that Meth would fry your brain. Now, look at yourself! LMAO! dum de dum dum.....DUM
Mr. Liars invoked the provision of 776.041 which refers to justification under 776.013, aka, "Stand-Your-Ground". But now Mr. Liars has flip-flopped again and his comments are no longer concerned with the Zimmerman case and not relevant to the conversation with Rogue, in re Zimmerman, which he horned in on.

Grow up and make up your mind, and do try to figure out what "on-point" means.
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That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
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So, toesap is a gay, black, polish fella? LMAO!
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Nader ponders run, calls Clinton 'coward'
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Ralph Nader says he is seriously considering running for president in 2008 because he foresees another Tweedledum- Tweedledee election that offers little real choice to voters.
While Nader praised two candidates who have almost no chance of winning their party's nomination -- Republican Ron Paul and Democrat Mike Gravel -- he was severe in his criticism of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/458...

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That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
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Mr. Lunatic, if you had taken the time, you would have seen that I did not mention Zimmerman or anyone else that may have waived the right to invoke SYG. Please do try and keep up. You're becoming an infantile nuisance, or, in other words, a moronic midget! I told you that Meth would fry your brain. Now, look at yourself! LMAO! dum de dum dum.....DUM
He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
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To all Republicans put your name in the blanks

I,_________ as a conservative do hereby pledge I will continue my condemnations of the poor in the Charles Dickens story, "A Christmas Carol", because I know Bob Cratchit's family were lazy deadbeats who could pay for their own health care and gotten help for their son, Tiny Tim, if they wanted to. I believe Tiny Tim should be prevented from getting health care and die, because he is poor.

I,_______, as a conservative believe in individual rights for CEOs and business owners like Ebenezer Scrooge, but not for individual rights to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness for those who are poor, downtrodden or oppressed. Also, because I believe the poor in the Bible were deadbeats, I will continue to condemn Jesus because he was an evil socialist because he healed the sick for free, he fed the hungry for free and he lifted the spirits of the downtrodden for free. I also condemn the Good Samaritan for not charging to help that poor, beaten man who was left for dead on the side of a lonely road. I believe that the priest and the temple assistant who first found the beaten man and left him for dead without helping him did the right thing and that the Good Samaritan was an evil socialist, because not only did the Good Samaritan help the beaten man, he even gave him money so he could feed and cloth himself.

I,________, as a conservative further condemn Jesus for always attacking the rich and praising the poor, because I know CEOs and the wealthy are the true sons of god because, after all, look at how much god has rewarded them. I believe those on Wall Street deserve to make as much money as possible by using schemes and scams, like the guy who made 3 billion in 2008 alone. As a conservative I believe it is right that a person who makes 3 billion behind a computer producing nothing for his fellow man or society. I believe that Wall Street should be paid 86,000 times more than hard working teachers, firefighters, police officers and nurses, all of whom actually contribute to society and help their fellow man.

I,_________ as a conservative who always trusts the government to start wars, trusts government to bomb people, trusts government to spy on people, trusts government to incarcerate people without charges, trusts government to torture people, trusts government to arrest people without warrants and trusts government to use secret wiretaps on people, do hereby pledge to continue to distrust government to help heal sick and dying Americans. I fear government intrusion into my life, but I cheer on corporate intrusions on my privacy, my livelihood, and my life. I fear any government attempt to heal people, yet trust government to kill, maim, torture, arrest, incarcerate and execute people.

I,_______, as a conservative, make these pledges in the name of the 'god of unbridled, unregulated capitalism' and in the names of its disciples, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. Amen and amen.

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wojar in reply to Rogue wrote:
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Sorry Dufus, there is no "first punch" rule required to establish provocation. Maybe that's how it works in middle school, but not under Florida law.
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My comment was in reply to Rogue regarding Zimmerman case.

Play Justice responds (but it has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case in his fantasy.)
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toejuice, why don't you post the section that explains very clearly how the initial aggressor can end up being the one claiming self-defense? Got a pair tuna boy? LMAO! Poor, lil toejuice is mad because he doesn't like the way the law was written! LMAO! You poor lil loser.
Grow up, Play Justice.
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wojar wrote:
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That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
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He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
Trayvon was scared out of his mind because Zimmerman was following him at night and in the rain.

Zimmerman even told the 9/11 operator, I mean 911, that now Trayvon is running away.

Trayvon feared for his life so he punched the cop wanna be in the nose and Zimmerman fell and hit his head on the cement.

THIS ALONE PROVES GUILT FOR ZIMMERMAN.

P.S. Zimmerman caught lying to Hannity about not knowing self-defense and stand your ground law.

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
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That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
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He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
Rogue, why do you mention Trayvon in your reply to Mr. Liars. He has made it clear that he was not referring to the Zimmerman case. He has flip-flopped once more and is yet again concerned with the "law in general" (though quoting Florida statute) despite that Florida law pertains to the State of Florida and not the State of General.
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Mr. Lunatic, if you had taken the time, you would have seen that I did not mention Zimmerman or anyone else that may have waived the right to invoke SYG. Please do try and keep up. You're becoming an infantile nuisance, or, in other words, a moronic midget! I told you that Meth would fry your brain. Now, look at yourself! LMAO! dum de dum dum.....DUM
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To all Republicans put your name in the blanks
I,_________ as a conservative do hereby pledge I will continue my condemnations of the poor in the Charles Dickens story, "A Christmas Carol", because I know Bob Cratchit's family were lazy deadbeats who could pay for their own health care and gotten help for their son, Tiny Tim, if they wanted to. I believe Tiny Tim should be prevented from getting health care and die, because he is poor.
I,_______, as a conservative believe in individual rights for CEOs and business owners like Ebenezer Scrooge, but not for individual rights to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness for those who are poor, downtrodden or oppressed. Also, because I believe the poor in the Bible were deadbeats, I will continue to condemn Jesus because he was an evil socialist because he healed the sick for free, he fed the hungry for free and he lifted the spirits of the downtrodden for free. I also condemn the Good Samaritan for not charging to help that poor, beaten man who was left for dead on the side of a lonely road. I believe that the priest and the temple assistant who first found the beaten man and left him for dead without helping him did the right thing and that the Good Samaritan was an evil socialist, because not only did the Good Samaritan help the beaten man, he even gave him money so he could feed and cloth himself.
I,________, as a conservative further condemn Jesus for always attacking the rich and praising the poor, because I know CEOs and the wealthy are the true sons of god because, after all, look at how much god has rewarded them. I believe those on Wall Street deserve to make as much money as possible by using schemes and scams, like the guy who made 3 billion in 2008 alone. As a conservative I believe it is right that a person who makes 3 billion behind a computer producing nothing for his fellow man or society. I believe that Wall Street should be paid 86,000 times more than hard working teachers, firefighters, police officers and nurses, all of whom actually contribute to society and help their fellow man.
I,_________ as a conservative who always trusts the government to start wars, trusts government to bomb people, trusts government to spy on people, trusts government to incarcerate people without charges, trusts government to torture people, trusts government to arrest people without warrants and trusts government to use secret wiretaps on people, do hereby pledge to continue to distrust government to help heal sick and dying Americans. I fear government intrusion into my life, but I cheer on corporate intrusions on my privacy, my livelihood, and my life. I fear any government attempt to heal people, yet trust government to kill, maim, torture, arrest, incarcerate and execute people.
I,_______, as a conservative, make these pledges in the name of the 'god of unbridled, unregulated capitalism' and in the names of its disciples, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. Amen and amen.
Christian Conservatism is a set of fundamental and life long principles that I have followed. The Republican Party is the label used when voting ...

BUT ... basically ...
Character/morality content IS what gets MY vote!

Democrats/libTARDS have NONE anymore!, in my opinion ...
Since they support abortion, and took God out of their platform!

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Mexican Top Cop Killed By “Fast And Furious” Rifle
Saturday, July 6, 2013

A high-powered rifle lost in the ATF’s Fast and Furious controversy was used to kill a Mexican police chief in the state of Jalisco earlier this year, according to internal Department of Justice records, suggesting that weapons from the failed gun-tracking operation have now made it into the hands of violent drug cartels deep inside Mexico.

Luis Lucio Rosales Astorga, the police chief in the city of Hostotipaquillo, was shot to death Jan. 29 when gunmen intercepted his patrol car and opened fire. Also killed was one of his bodyguards. His wife and a second bodyguard were wounded.

Local authorities said eight suspects in their 20s and 30s were arrested after police seized them nearby with a cache of weapons — rifles, grenades, handguns, helmets, bulletproof vests, uniforms and special communications equipment. The area is a hot zone for rival drug gangs, with members of three cartels fighting over turf in the region.

Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/2013/07/mexican-poli...
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Christian Conservatism is a set of fundamental and life long principles that I have followed. The Republican Party is the label used when voting ...
BUT ... basically ...
Character/morality content IS what gets MY vote!
Democrats/libTARDS have NONE anymore!, in my opinion ...
Since they support abortion, and took God out of their platform!
Believe it or not, I am in agreement with you.

I would hope you do realize that the Republican party is made up of all phony baloney prostitutes for Wall Street which is the opposite of Christianity.

The lesser of two evils are STILL EVIL.

http://tinyurl.com/klcc7cs

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wojar wrote:
He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
Other than Zimmerman's self-serving statements, which have been demonstrated to be unreliable and constantly changing, what evidence is so obvious that Trayvon initiated the confrontation?

Zimmerman, armed, cursing, and relentlessly following an unarmed 158 lb child who was walking to his father's home and minding his own business,**obviously** did not initiate the confrontation?

What's your evidence that Trayvon (obviously) INITIATED the confrontation? Skittles? Wearing a hoodie? Zimmerman said so according to his inconsistent stories and demonstrated lies to the court?

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Trayvon was scared out of his mind because Zimmerman was following him at night and in the rain.
Zimmerman even told the 9/11 operator, I mean 911, that now Trayvon is running away.
Trayvon feared for his life so he punched the cop wanna be in the nose and Zimmerman fell and hit his head on the cement.
THIS ALONE PROVES GUILT FOR ZIMMERMAN.
P.S. Zimmerman caught lying to Hannity about not knowing self-defense and stand your ground law.
If Trayvon was scared of him, why did he come around the back side of the building and confront Zimmerman? Zimmerman did not follow Trayvon when he ran behind the building and was returning to his car where he hopped to meet the police when Trayvon cut him off and then assaulted him.
There is no indication that Zimmerman hit Trayvon even once but there is evidence that Trayvon struck Zimmerman repeatedly. And there is the witness John that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman and said it was Zimmerman that was yelling for help.
Furthermore, the gun shot went through Trayvon's shirt, but the shirt was not in contact with his chest and that can only happen if Trayvon was leaning FORWARD!
To "Lie" on must know he was not telling the truth. Was it the college instructor who was lying? The instructor's class was on "self defence" and was not on Stand Your Ground.
When I got my CCP they mentioned Fl's SYG law. If Zimmerman wanted to shoot someone, why did he wait until he was almost unconsciousness before he pulled it out?

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Trayvon was scared out of his mind because Zimmerman was following him at night and in the rain.
Zimmerman even told the 9/11 operator, I mean 911, that now Trayvon is running away.
Trayvon feared for his life so he punched the cop wanna be in the nose and Zimmerman fell and hit his head on the cement.
THIS ALONE PROVES GUILT FOR ZIMMERMAN.
P.S. Zimmerman caught lying to Hannity about not knowing self-defense and stand your ground law.
That's not the first time Zimmerman was caught lying. However, a hypothetical scenario wherein Z hit his head during a confrontation is not proof of Zimmerman's guilt. The verdict is up to the jury, and hopefully they will consider the entirety of the evidence according to law as per instructions from the court.

I personally think 2nd degree murder may be overreaching on the part of the prosecution. Manslaughter seems much more reasonable. Even if Zimmerman were justified in using deadly force **after the fact of his reckless misconduct** that resulted in the death of a child who was minding his own business, Z would still be culpable.

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Believe it or not, I am in agreement with you.
I would hope you do realize that the Republican party is made up of all phony baloney prostitutes for Wall Street which is the opposite of Christianity.
The lesser of two evils are STILL EVIL.
http://tinyurl.com/klcc7cs
I agree that the Country Club RINOs are in charge of the RNC but Obama is in charge of the DNC and he is in cotrol of Wall Street and the Banks.
When Obama became president there were TEN large banks in the US and now there are just SIX and they control 56-58% of all banking capital and I do not like that. But Obama does because he can control them better!!!
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If Trayvon was scared of him, why did he come around the back side of the building and confront Zimmerman? Zimmerman did not follow Trayvon when he ran behind the building and was returning to his car where he hopped to meet the police when Trayvon cut him off and then assaulted him.
There is no indication that Zimmerman hit Trayvon even once but there is evidence that Trayvon struck Zimmerman repeatedly. And there is the witness John that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman and said it was Zimmerman that was yelling for help.
Furthermore, the gun shot went through Trayvon's shirt, but the shirt was not in contact with his chest and that can only happen if Trayvon was leaning FORWARD!
To "Lie" on must know he was not telling the truth. Was it the college instructor who was lying? The instructor's class was on "self defence" and was not on Stand Your Ground.
When I got my CCP they mentioned Fl's SYG law. If Zimmerman wanted to shoot someone, why did he wait until he was almost unconsciousness before he pulled it out?
The paramedics at the scene testified that the head wound was very minor and did not require sutures.

His nose injuries were also very minor.

There is no corroboration that Trayvon was following and running after Zimmerman.

NONE!

Zimmerman is concocting a cockenbull story with Trayvon circling his car.

All Zimmerman had to do was drive away.

CASE CLOSED!

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I agree that the Country Club RINOs are in charge of the RNC but Obama is in charge of the DNC and he is in cotrol of Wall Street and the Banks.
When Obama became president there were TEN large banks in the US and now there are just SIX and they control 56-58% of all banking capital and I do not like that. But Obama does because he can control them better!!!
Apparently somebody forgot to tell Wall Street and the banks who their daddy is. So now there are six large banks, with big bankers having even more concentrated power, and Obama is their daddy directing the show?

And of course, the debacle under Dubya had nothing to do with it. Dubya was just a stooge, a placeholder in waiting for the Manchurian grandmaster?

UR a riot.
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I agree that the Country Club RINOs are in charge of the RNC but Obama is in charge of the DNC and he is in cotrol of Wall Street and the Banks.
When Obama became president there were TEN large banks in the US and now there are just SIX and they control 56-58% of all banking capital and I do not like that. But Obama does because he can control them better!!!
And since Reagan there were many radio and TV stations and today SIX own everything.

One little tweak: You have it backwards. Wall Street and the Banks hold the power not Obama.

The DNC & RNC are one and the same.

Corporations owned them.

You do realize that Congress spends half of a year on phone calls for fundraising.
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The paramedics at the scene testified that the head wound was very minor and did not require sutures.
His nose injuries were also very minor.
There is no corroboration that Trayvon was following and running after Zimmerman.
NONE!
Zimmerman is concocting a cockenbull story with Trayvon circling his car.
All Zimmerman had to do was drive away.
CASE CLOSED!
DOES THIS POLICE OFFICER’S TESTIMONY SERIOUSLY DAMAGE ZIMMERMAN PROSECUTION’S CASE FOR SECOND DEGREE MURDER?
When asked if Zimmerman showed any anger or animosity towards Martin when he talked about him, Officer Doris Singleton — the first person to extensively interview Zimmerman at the police station — testified,“no.” That “no” could prove problematic for the prosecution. Prosecutors must show that Zimmerman acted with ill will or a depraved mind in order to get a second-degree murder conviction.

Second degree murder in Florida is defined as follows:“The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.”

In redirect-examination, the prosecution came back and suggested that it is impossible for Singleton to see into Zimmerman’s mind and determine that he had no ill will toward Trayvon Martin.

Not backing down, the defense followed up yet again in recross-examination, asking Singleton, not to speculate, but to say whether there was any evidence to suggest that Zimmerman had a depraved mind or ill will on the night of the shooting. Once again, she said no.

...
VIDEO included of testimony
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/01/do...

Just because this is from the blaze doesn't mean it's one sided!
IT IS the truth of what she said!

Gonna snuggle & read a novel :)...
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That's not the first time Zimmerman was caught lying. However, a hypothetical scenario wherein Z hit his head during a confrontation is not proof of Zimmerman's guilt. The verdict is up to the jury, and hopefully they will consider the entirety of the evidence according to law as per instructions from the court.
I personally think 2nd degree murder may be overreaching on the part of the prosecution. Manslaughter seems much more reasonable. Even if Zimmerman were justified in using deadly force **after the fact of his reckless misconduct** that resulted in the death of a child who was minding his own business, Z would still be culpable.
My extrapolation is his injuries were minor and not life threating to use a gun.

According to the woman doctor on the stand Zimmerman injuries were so very minor and is consistent with hitting his head one time on cement.

Maybe the punch to his nose caused him to fall.

The charge of 2nd degree is too harsh IMO.

Zimmerman lied too many times and it will come back to haunt him.

Thank You Hannity.

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