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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#162817 Jul 6, 2013
Sorry, meant to reply to your post 162813
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#162818 Jul 6, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you don't wish to acknowledge that under Obama, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, was awarded a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011. This deal was announced only hours after the Obama Justice Department informed the public that it was joining a suit filed by whistleblowers who allege KBR used kickbacks to get foreign contracts. Read more: lol!
Obama’s mounting hypocrisy
The only thing that has changed in Washington is the price tag
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/...
Even some liberals are upset at Obama's failure to keep his promises and his obvious hypocrisy, particularly in light of his attacks against President Bush and the no-bid Halliburton contracts while he was in office.
Thanks for proving that you're just another Obama-drone.
$115 billion is less than $200 billion.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#162819 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
<quoted text>
Mr. Lunatic, if you had taken the time, you would have seen that I did not mention Zimmerman or anyone else that may have waived the right to invoke SYG. Please do try and keep up. You're becoming an infantile nuisance, or, in other words, a moronic midget! I told you that Meth would fry your brain. Now, look at yourself! LMAO! dum de dum dum.....DUM

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162820 Jul 6, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you don't wish to acknowledge that under Obama, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, was awarded a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011. This deal was announced only hours after the Obama Justice Department informed the public that it was joining a suit filed by whistleblowers who allege KBR used kickbacks to get foreign contracts. Read more: lol!
Obama’s mounting hypocrisy
The only thing that has changed in Washington is the price tag
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/ ...
Even some liberals are upset at Obama's failure to keep his promises and his obvious hypocrisy, particularly in light of his attacks against President Bush and the no-bid Halliburton contracts while he was in office.
Thanks for proving that you're just another Obama-drone.
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
$115 billion is less than $200 billion.
Ah, did not read the link, did you? Cause if you had you would have read; "That was then; this is now. Last week, the Army revealed that KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, was awarded a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through next year."

The fact is that president have been doing business with Halliburton for decades and "no-bid" contracts have a after-the-fact bargaining and are subject to arbitration?
I worked as a COR (Contracting Officer Representative) for four and a half years at Fort Rucker and supervised a multi-million dollar contract in the 1970s and there were always things that popped up that needed to go to arbitration.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162821 Jul 6, 2013
When I became a COR I had to go to an orientation class and they talked about your relationship with the contract and how to fix things and not to ignore them. One of the example they used was a contact to over haul large radial aircraft engines for the CH-34.
When the contractor got the engines he noted it did not say anything about replacing the piston rings so he brought it to the attention of the COR who told him to fill the contract as specified so he did. The engines were rebuilt without new piston rings and shipped out.
The receiving units got the rebuilt engines, installed them on aircraft and noticed that smoked real bad and had excessive oil consumption. The engines were then removed and sent back in for another overhaul!
And all of our tax dollars were wasted as the COR had his head where it was not suppose to be.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162822 Jul 6, 2013
I gave a half dozen post accident check rides. Most were to student pilots and mostly do to student pilot error. I also gave a post accident check ride to a civilian instructor pilot but his accident was a mechanical failure and was just a formality.
Oh, you are suppose to duplicate the maneuver which was involved in the accident without crashing again!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#162823 Jul 6, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Lunatic, if you had taken the time, you would have seen that I did not mention Zimmerman or anyone else that may have waived the right to invoke SYG. Please do try and keep up. You're becoming an infantile nuisance, or, in other words, a moronic midget! I told you that Meth would fry your brain. Now, look at yourself! LMAO! dum de dum dum.....DUM
Mr. Liars invoked the provision of 776.041 which refers to justification under 776.013, aka, "Stand-Your-Ground". But now Mr. Liars has flip-flopped again and his comments are no longer concerned with the Zimmerman case and not relevant to the conversation with Rogue, in re Zimmerman, which he horned in on.

Grow up and make up your mind, and do try to figure out what "on-point" means.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#162824 Jul 6, 2013
So, toesap is a gay, black, polish fella? LMAO!
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#162825 Jul 6, 2013
Nader ponders run, calls Clinton 'coward'
http://tinyurl.com/35tkgy Jun 21, 2007
Ralph Nader says he is seriously considering running for president in 2008 because he foresees another Tweedledum- Tweedledee election that offers little real choice to voters.
While Nader praised two candidates who have almost no chance of winning their party's nomination -- Republican Ron Paul and Democrat Mike Gravel -- he was severe in his criticism of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/458...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162826 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
<quoted text>
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Lunatic, if you had taken the time, you would have seen that I did not mention Zimmerman or anyone else that may have waived the right to invoke SYG. Please do try and keep up. You're becoming an infantile nuisance, or, in other words, a moronic midget! I told you that Meth would fry your brain. Now, look at yourself! LMAO! dum de dum dum.....DUM
He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#162827 Jul 6, 2013
To all Republicans put your name in the blanks

I,_________ as a conservative do hereby pledge I will continue my condemnations of the poor in the Charles Dickens story, "A Christmas Carol", because I know Bob Cratchit's family were lazy deadbeats who could pay for their own health care and gotten help for their son, Tiny Tim, if they wanted to. I believe Tiny Tim should be prevented from getting health care and die, because he is poor.

I,_______, as a conservative believe in individual rights for CEOs and business owners like Ebenezer Scrooge, but not for individual rights to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness for those who are poor, downtrodden or oppressed. Also, because I believe the poor in the Bible were deadbeats, I will continue to condemn Jesus because he was an evil socialist because he healed the sick for free, he fed the hungry for free and he lifted the spirits of the downtrodden for free. I also condemn the Good Samaritan for not charging to help that poor, beaten man who was left for dead on the side of a lonely road. I believe that the priest and the temple assistant who first found the beaten man and left him for dead without helping him did the right thing and that the Good Samaritan was an evil socialist, because not only did the Good Samaritan help the beaten man, he even gave him money so he could feed and cloth himself.

I,________, as a conservative further condemn Jesus for always attacking the rich and praising the poor, because I know CEOs and the wealthy are the true sons of god because, after all, look at how much god has rewarded them. I believe those on Wall Street deserve to make as much money as possible by using schemes and scams, like the guy who made 3 billion in 2008 alone. As a conservative I believe it is right that a person who makes 3 billion behind a computer producing nothing for his fellow man or society. I believe that Wall Street should be paid 86,000 times more than hard working teachers, firefighters, police officers and nurses, all of whom actually contribute to society and help their fellow man.

I,_________ as a conservative who always trusts the government to start wars, trusts government to bomb people, trusts government to spy on people, trusts government to incarcerate people without charges, trusts government to torture people, trusts government to arrest people without warrants and trusts government to use secret wiretaps on people, do hereby pledge to continue to distrust government to help heal sick and dying Americans. I fear government intrusion into my life, but I cheer on corporate intrusions on my privacy, my livelihood, and my life. I fear any government attempt to heal people, yet trust government to kill, maim, torture, arrest, incarcerate and execute people.

I,_______, as a conservative, make these pledges in the name of the 'god of unbridled, unregulated capitalism' and in the names of its disciples, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. Amen and amen.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#162828 Jul 6, 2013
wojar in reply to Rogue wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Dufus, there is no "first punch" rule required to establish provocation. Maybe that's how it works in middle school, but not under Florida law.
<quoted text>
My comment was in reply to Rogue regarding Zimmerman case.

Play Justice responds (but it has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case in his fantasy.)
Play Justice LRS wrote:
toejuice, why don't you post the section that explains very clearly how the initial aggressor can end up being the one claiming self-defense? Got a pair tuna boy? LMAO! Poor, lil toejuice is mad because he doesn't like the way the law was written! LMAO! You poor lil loser.
Grow up, Play Justice.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#162829 Jul 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
Trayvon was scared out of his mind because Zimmerman was following him at night and in the rain.

Zimmerman even told the 9/11 operator, I mean 911, that now Trayvon is running away.

Trayvon feared for his life so he punched the cop wanna be in the nose and Zimmerman fell and hit his head on the cement.

THIS ALONE PROVES GUILT FOR ZIMMERMAN.

P.S. Zimmerman caught lying to Hannity about not knowing self-defense and stand your ground law.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#162830 Jul 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a rebuttal?
Sorry loser. Now again what part of justification under 776.013 is preserved for an initial aggressor who waives his right to invoke SYG defense?
Eh?
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
Rogue, why do you mention Trayvon in your reply to Mr. Liars. He has made it clear that he was not referring to the Zimmerman case. He has flip-flopped once more and is yet again concerned with the "law in general" (though quoting Florida statute) despite that Florida law pertains to the State of Florida and not the State of General.
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Lunatic, if you had taken the time, you would have seen that I did not mention Zimmerman or anyone else that may have waived the right to invoke SYG. Please do try and keep up. You're becoming an infantile nuisance, or, in other words, a moronic midget! I told you that Meth would fry your brain. Now, look at yourself! LMAO! dum de dum dum.....DUM
American Lady

Danville, KY

#162831 Jul 6, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
To all Republicans put your name in the blanks
I,_________ as a conservative do hereby pledge I will continue my condemnations of the poor in the Charles Dickens story, "A Christmas Carol", because I know Bob Cratchit's family were lazy deadbeats who could pay for their own health care and gotten help for their son, Tiny Tim, if they wanted to. I believe Tiny Tim should be prevented from getting health care and die, because he is poor.
I,_______, as a conservative believe in individual rights for CEOs and business owners like Ebenezer Scrooge, but not for individual rights to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness for those who are poor, downtrodden or oppressed. Also, because I believe the poor in the Bible were deadbeats, I will continue to condemn Jesus because he was an evil socialist because he healed the sick for free, he fed the hungry for free and he lifted the spirits of the downtrodden for free. I also condemn the Good Samaritan for not charging to help that poor, beaten man who was left for dead on the side of a lonely road. I believe that the priest and the temple assistant who first found the beaten man and left him for dead without helping him did the right thing and that the Good Samaritan was an evil socialist, because not only did the Good Samaritan help the beaten man, he even gave him money so he could feed and cloth himself.
I,________, as a conservative further condemn Jesus for always attacking the rich and praising the poor, because I know CEOs and the wealthy are the true sons of god because, after all, look at how much god has rewarded them. I believe those on Wall Street deserve to make as much money as possible by using schemes and scams, like the guy who made 3 billion in 2008 alone. As a conservative I believe it is right that a person who makes 3 billion behind a computer producing nothing for his fellow man or society. I believe that Wall Street should be paid 86,000 times more than hard working teachers, firefighters, police officers and nurses, all of whom actually contribute to society and help their fellow man.
I,_________ as a conservative who always trusts the government to start wars, trusts government to bomb people, trusts government to spy on people, trusts government to incarcerate people without charges, trusts government to torture people, trusts government to arrest people without warrants and trusts government to use secret wiretaps on people, do hereby pledge to continue to distrust government to help heal sick and dying Americans. I fear government intrusion into my life, but I cheer on corporate intrusions on my privacy, my livelihood, and my life. I fear any government attempt to heal people, yet trust government to kill, maim, torture, arrest, incarcerate and execute people.
I,_______, as a conservative, make these pledges in the name of the 'god of unbridled, unregulated capitalism' and in the names of its disciples, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. Amen and amen.
Christian Conservatism is a set of fundamental and life long principles that I have followed. The Republican Party is the label used when voting ...

BUT ... basically ...
Character/morality content IS what gets MY vote!

Democrats/libTARDS have NONE anymore!, in my opinion ...
Since they support abortion, and took God out of their platform!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162832 Jul 6, 2013
Mexican Top Cop Killed By “Fast And Furious” Rifle
Saturday, July 6, 2013

A high-powered rifle lost in the ATF’s Fast and Furious controversy was used to kill a Mexican police chief in the state of Jalisco earlier this year, according to internal Department of Justice records, suggesting that weapons from the failed gun-tracking operation have now made it into the hands of violent drug cartels deep inside Mexico.

Luis Lucio Rosales Astorga, the police chief in the city of Hostotipaquillo, was shot to death Jan. 29 when gunmen intercepted his patrol car and opened fire. Also killed was one of his bodyguards. His wife and a second bodyguard were wounded.

Local authorities said eight suspects in their 20s and 30s were arrested after police seized them nearby with a cache of weapons — rifles, grenades, handguns, helmets, bulletproof vests, uniforms and special communications equipment. The area is a hot zone for rival drug gangs, with members of three cartels fighting over turf in the region.

Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/2013/07/mexican-poli...
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#162833 Jul 6, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Christian Conservatism is a set of fundamental and life long principles that I have followed. The Republican Party is the label used when voting ...
BUT ... basically ...
Character/morality content IS what gets MY vote!
Democrats/libTARDS have NONE anymore!, in my opinion ...
Since they support abortion, and took God out of their platform!
Believe it or not, I am in agreement with you.

I would hope you do realize that the Republican party is made up of all phony baloney prostitutes for Wall Street which is the opposite of Christianity.

The lesser of two evils are STILL EVIL.

http://tinyurl.com/klcc7cs

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#162834 Jul 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
He seems to think the act of following someone is an act of aggression! Since it is obvious that Trayvon initiated the assault, he was the aggressor!
Other than Zimmerman's self-serving statements, which have been demonstrated to be unreliable and constantly changing, what evidence is so obvious that Trayvon initiated the confrontation?

Zimmerman, armed, cursing, and relentlessly following an unarmed 158 lb child who was walking to his father's home and minding his own business,**obviously** did not initiate the confrontation?

What's your evidence that Trayvon (obviously) INITIATED the confrontation? Skittles? Wearing a hoodie? Zimmerman said so according to his inconsistent stories and demonstrated lies to the court?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162835 Jul 6, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Trayvon was scared out of his mind because Zimmerman was following him at night and in the rain.
Zimmerman even told the 9/11 operator, I mean 911, that now Trayvon is running away.
Trayvon feared for his life so he punched the cop wanna be in the nose and Zimmerman fell and hit his head on the cement.
THIS ALONE PROVES GUILT FOR ZIMMERMAN.
P.S. Zimmerman caught lying to Hannity about not knowing self-defense and stand your ground law.
If Trayvon was scared of him, why did he come around the back side of the building and confront Zimmerman? Zimmerman did not follow Trayvon when he ran behind the building and was returning to his car where he hopped to meet the police when Trayvon cut him off and then assaulted him.
There is no indication that Zimmerman hit Trayvon even once but there is evidence that Trayvon struck Zimmerman repeatedly. And there is the witness John that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman and said it was Zimmerman that was yelling for help.
Furthermore, the gun shot went through Trayvon's shirt, but the shirt was not in contact with his chest and that can only happen if Trayvon was leaning FORWARD!
To "Lie" on must know he was not telling the truth. Was it the college instructor who was lying? The instructor's class was on "self defence" and was not on Stand Your Ground.
When I got my CCP they mentioned Fl's SYG law. If Zimmerman wanted to shoot someone, why did he wait until he was almost unconsciousness before he pulled it out?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#162836 Jul 6, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Trayvon was scared out of his mind because Zimmerman was following him at night and in the rain.
Zimmerman even told the 9/11 operator, I mean 911, that now Trayvon is running away.
Trayvon feared for his life so he punched the cop wanna be in the nose and Zimmerman fell and hit his head on the cement.
THIS ALONE PROVES GUILT FOR ZIMMERMAN.
P.S. Zimmerman caught lying to Hannity about not knowing self-defense and stand your ground law.
That's not the first time Zimmerman was caught lying. However, a hypothetical scenario wherein Z hit his head during a confrontation is not proof of Zimmerman's guilt. The verdict is up to the jury, and hopefully they will consider the entirety of the evidence according to law as per instructions from the court.

I personally think 2nd degree murder may be overreaching on the part of the prosecution. Manslaughter seems much more reasonable. Even if Zimmerman were justified in using deadly force **after the fact of his reckless misconduct** that resulted in the death of a child who was minding his own business, Z would still be culpable.

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