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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#162851 Jul 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, but the law does not say you have to be seriously injured before you use deadly force. In fact you do not have to be injured in any way. All you have to do is " a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself". Should he have waited until he was knocked unconscious?
And the jury may not decide if the judge dismisses the case on Monday!!!
"Ah," but the law does expect sufficient credible evidence to support prima facie showing. Serious injuries are accepted. A scratch and a bump are not sufficient.

Duh!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that Z's injuries were minor and insufficient to establish prima fascie evidence for self defense against a 2nd degree murder charge. But that is only one element and the prosecution has a long row to hoe in re 2nd degree murder, especially insofar as intent is concerned. Manslaughter would be much easier to prove but who knows where the prosecution is? Ultimately the jury will decide, and that is a crap shoot.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#162852 Jul 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And the jury may not decide if the judge dismisses the case on Monday!!!
Sorry, the judge already ruled the case will go forward.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#162853 Jul 6, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Cut yours for space

Thanks, but it made me sleepy, on a 'rainy' evening. I'll wait and sleep tonight!
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ZIMMERMAN COMPLAINED ABOUT SANFORD POLICE IN DEFENSE OF HOMELESS BLACK MAN
24 May 2012
...

We're learning today that just last year, at a public forum, George Zimmerman publicly testified against the Sanford police department in defense of a homeless black man. In other words, what we have here is more proof that the media narrative surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin might just end up being the most disgraced and failed media narrative since Duke-LaCrosse and the Tuscon murders.

Associated Press:
George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.

"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white," Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. "It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line."

The forum took place on Jan. 8, 2011,... viral on the Internet and then-Sanford Police Chief Brian Tooley was forced to retire. Tooley's department faced criticism for dragging its feet in arresting Justin Collison, the son of a police lieutenant.

The media narrative fail here is a triple shot. If Zimmerman is supposedly some kind of yee-haw law and order type eager to play racist cop, why in the world would he publicly accuse the Sanford police of corruption with a special emphasis on the Chief -- all in defense of a homeless black man beaten by the white son of a white Sanford police officer. It's not like someone threw a microphone in Zimmerman's face either. He proactively went to, attended, and spoke out at this meeting.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/...

Zimmerman Complained About Sanford Police In 2011

The forum took place on Jan. 8, 2011, days after a video of the beating went viral on the Internet and then-Sanford Police Chief Brian Tooley was forced to retire. Tooley's department faced criticism for dragging its feet in arresting Justin Collison, the son of a police lieutenant.

"I'd like to know what action the commission is taking in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension," Zimmerman said to the commission. "I'm not asking you to repeal his pension; I believe he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up in corruption in what happened in his department."

Zimmerman's public comments could be important because the Martin family and supporters contend the neighborhood watch volunteer singled Martin out because he was black. Zimmerman has a Peruvian mother and a white father. His supporters have said he is not racist.

The Miami Herald first reported details from the January 2011 community forum Wednesday. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the tape from the meeting.

In the speech, Zimmerman said he witnessed "disgusting" behavior by officers when he was part of a ride-along program, though the agency said it did not know when, if ever, Zimmerman was in that program.

"The officer showed me his favorite hiding spots for taking naps. He explained to me he doesn't carry a long gun in his vehicle because in his words,`Anything that requires a long gun requires a lot of paperwork and you're gonna find me as far away from it.'"

Zimmerman also said the officer in question "took two lunch breaks and attended a going away party for one of his fellow officers."

Read more: http://www.970wfla.com/articles/local-news-12...

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Not some 'vigilante' like the media and peeps are saying!
He IS a 'sincere and honest human being' with more CHARACTER than most on here!

More to come ...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#162854 Jul 6, 2013
ABC Chief Legal Affairs Anchor and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams told Good Morning America on Saturday that the prosecution in the Zimmerman trial had failed to make its case for convicting George Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt, and that the jury had little legal basis to anything but acquit.

“The prosecution’s case is now in,” Abrams said.“They’ve presented all of their evidence. I do not see how the jury, as a legal matter, convicts of either second degree murder or manslaughter.”

Watch the exchange here
VIDEO:
via ABC:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/abcs-dan-abrams-pr...

scoggin 21 minutes ago
Given this guy's CV, I would have expected him to be on Martin's side. I guess not all libturds are dumb and blind.

Creepy_Ass_Cracka 2 hours ago
Al Sharpton is looking like the downstairs resident of a two-story outhouse right about now

shadetree56 10 hours ago
the state rested with nothing. In fact the state witnesses HELPED the defense. No malice or intent was proven. Why the judge did'nt put this dead-dog case out of it's misery we'll never know.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#162855 Jul 6, 2013
O’Mara Presser On First Day of Zimmerman Defense 7/5/13

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/0...

60 Responses to it.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#162856 Jul 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not one Libtard has explained what crime Zimmerman committed before Trayvon attacked him. What COWARDS they are!!!
Not one Dufus has explained why a statutory crime is necessary to constitute sufficient harassment for an alleged attack for which there is no corroborating evidence. Not one Dufus has explained why a harassing vigilante's reckless actions should not be considered provocation engendering culpability for manslaughter.

What Dufuses they are. Or is it Dufi?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#162857 Jul 6, 2013
American Lady wrote:
O’Mara Presser On First Day of Zimmerman Defense 7/5/13
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/0...
60 Responses to it.
Wowee Zowee. And what significance of those 60 blog responses? ZERO.

Typical "birfoon-patriot", obsessed with the irrelevant.

BirfoonLady: "Oh me oh my! Sixty responses to a fringe blog" in a country of hundreds of millions in a world of billions.

60? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#162858 Jul 6, 2013
American Lady wrote:
ABC Chief Legal Affairs Anchor and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams told Good Morning America on Saturday that the prosecution in the Zimmerman trial had failed to make its case for convicting George Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt, and that the jury had little legal basis to anything but acquit.
“The prosecution’s case is now in,” Abrams said.“They’ve presented all of their evidence. I do not see how the jury, as a legal matter, convicts of either second degree murder or manslaughter.”
Watch the exchange here
VIDEO:
via ABC:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/abcs-dan-abrams-pr...
scoggin 21 minutes ago
Given this guy's CV, I would have expected him to be on Martin's side. I guess not all libturds are dumb and blind.
Creepy_Ass_Cracka 2 hours ago
Al Sharpton is looking like the downstairs resident of a two-story outhouse right about now
shadetree56 10 hours ago
the state rested with nothing. In fact the state witnesses HELPED the defense. No malice or intent was proven. Why the judge did'nt put this dead-dog case out of it's misery we'll never know.
ABC News is not the jury. I'll wait for the jury verdict and accept the rule of law, unlike birfoons.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#162859 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not one Dufus has explained why a statutory crime is necessary to constitute sufficient harassment for an alleged attack for which there is no corroborating evidence. Not one Dufus has explained why a harassing vigilante's reckless actions should not be considered provocation engendering culpability for manslaughter.
What Dufuses they are. Or is it Dufi?
NOT a 'vigilante'!!!
Refer to Post #162853

PLUS ...
Prosecution IS DONE!
Can NOT present ANYMORE evidence!

Defense will USE lots of prosecution witness testimony!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#162860 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Liars invoked the provision of 776.041 which refers to justification under 776.013, aka, "Stand-Your-Ground". But now Mr. Liars has flip-flopped again and his comments are no longer concerned with the Zimmerman case and not relevant to the conversation with Rogue, in re Zimmerman, which he horned in on.
Grow up and make up your mind, and do try to figure out what "on-point" means.
<quoted text>
My comments never were in regards to the Zimmerman case. You're dense, my boy! You got stomped and can't admit it. What a "man" you are! LMAO!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162861 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
"Ah," but the law does expect sufficient credible evidence to support prima facie showing. Serious injuries are accepted. A scratch and a bump are not sufficient.
Duh!
<quoted text>
Nope, you is wrong.
• In Winter Springs, Owen Eugene Whitlock came home on Christmas Eve 2009 to find his daughter's boyfriend, Jose Ramirez, angrily stalking up his driveway, flexing his muscles and swinging his fists. Whitlock stood his ground and fired a fatal shot. He was not charged.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/cri...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#162862 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Wowee Zowee. And what significance of those 60 blog responses? ZERO.
Typical "birfoon-patriot", obsessed with the irrelevant.
BirfoonLady: "Oh me oh my! Sixty responses to a fringe blog" in a country of hundreds of millions in a world of billions.
60? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
60? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!...said woo woo the 'dumchit'...

Sometimes ONE ...
is BETTER than millions.
More truthful and to the point!

You have made MANY on here that are WORTHLESS!

:)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162863 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
ABC News is not the jury. I'll wait for the jury verdict and accept the rule of law, unlike birfoons.
But what if the judge dismisses the case on Monday? I am not saying she will or won't but she could. Will you riot with the rest of the Libtards. Conservatives never riot!

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#162864 Jul 6, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Israelis did not care, why where those people punished? The PM lost his job!!!
Yes, I know all about the USS Liberty. Certainly a lot more than you do. You have no concept of combat and the fog of war. How does it feel to be an ignoramus?
Rouge the people who were on the Liberty mantian to this day that Israel knew that they were attacking a American Ship. If you think they are wrong i suggest you cantact the http://usslibertyveterans.org/index.html

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162865 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
ABC News is not the jury. I'll wait for the jury verdict and accept the rule of law, unlike birfoons.
Wazz da matta, ABC News is a George Soros approved source?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#162866 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue, why do you mention Trayvon in your reply to Mr. Liars. He has made it clear that he was not referring to the Zimmerman case. He has flip-flopped once more and is yet again concerned with the "law in general" (though quoting Florida statute) despite that Florida law pertains to the State of Florida and not the State of General.
<quoted text>
Why do you feel the need to lie, toesap? The only one who has flip-flopped has been you while throwing one of your many tantrums. You seem to do that on a daily basis. Such a dweeb.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#162867 Jul 6, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
NOT a 'vigilante'!!!
Refer to Post #162853
PLUS ...
Prosecution IS DONE!
Can NOT present ANYMORE evidence!
Defense will USE lots of prosecution witness testimony!
Prosecution rested its case? That's news?

Last time I checked, every prosecution rests its case, eventually.

And the prosecution can use defense witness testimony.

Duh!

I'll wait to see what the jury rules.(Just like I waited to see how the American People would decide the 2008 and 2012 elections.)

It's called the rule of law.

wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not one Dufus has explained why a statutory crime is necessary to constitute sufficient harassment for an alleged attack for which there is no corroborating evidence. Not one Dufus has explained why a harassing vigilante's reckless actions should not be considered provocation engendering culpability for manslaughter.
What Dufuses they are. Or is it Dufi?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162868 Jul 6, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not one Dufus has explained why a statutory crime is necessary to constitute sufficient harassment for an alleged attack for which there is no corroborating evidence. Not one Dufus has explained why a harassing vigilante's reckless actions should not be considered provocation engendering culpability for manslaughter.
What Dufuses they are. Or is it Dufi?
Pardon. Did Trayvon have a broken nose? Cuts on the back of his head? Have a wet back with grass clippings on it?
Now, just how did Zimmerman harass Trayvon and what evidence do you have that he did?
It is not against the law to follow someone while talking to police on his cell phone while Trayvon talked to his ghetto Ho on his cell phone!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#162869 Jul 6, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you feel the need to lie, toesap? The only one who has flip-flopped has been you while throwing one of your many tantrums. You seem to do that on a daily basis. Such a dweeb.
Really? The conversation between wojar and Rogue was not Zimmerman because Romper can't get his head out of his arse? What a sorry sod.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue, why do you mention Trayvon in your reply to Mr. Liars. He has made it clear that he was not referring to the Zimmerman case. He has flip-flopped once more and is yet again concerned with the "law in general" (though quoting Florida statute) despite that Florida law pertains to the State of Florida and not the State of General.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#162871 Jul 6, 2013
nebka wrote:
<quoted text>
Rouge the people who were on the Liberty mantian to this day that Israel knew that they were attacking a American Ship. If you think they are wrong i suggest you cantact the http://usslibertyveterans.org/index.html
The USS Liberty was in a war zone and it was painted grey to minimize it being seen in most weather conditions. Only combat ships are painted that grey color and war ships are armed with ..... anti-aircraft weapons.
You will always find a few people who get upset that their buddies were killed or wounded and have to blame it on someone.
By the way, did the Japanese inform us before they attacked us? You don't warn your enemy you are about to attack!
Are you familiar with the two Army Blackhawks that were shot down over Iraq by two USAF F-15s killing 26 people?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_...
Did anyone get punished? The AWAC commander should have been convicted as he knew that they were in the area but did not tell the F-15s.

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