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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Since: May 10

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#162659 Jul 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Jimmy Carter was a submarine officer.
Ronald Reagan may have played as soldier or sailor in the movies.
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Reagan did far for for our National Defense than Carter did!!! While "I" was training flight surgeons and West Point cadets to fly, Carter cut our flight school in half! But 1982 the Army was short 2,000 aviators!!!
wojar

United States

#162660 Jul 5, 2013
JBH wrote:
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You are already insane.
As old as you are, you are still living in a mother sucker mode.
You the queer element as the weirdo will be damned by wolves and queer creatures around you.
Yet you have of self being too old but not grow up.
You try to be a vampire, feeling sucking your mother's blood is the way of getting you back to your boyhood, and out of your depression. There is not enough blood from your mother now, go to suck some rat bots like you.
Yet dry weather will evaporate your blood away.
You really have no blood, you the dirty, ugly vampire bot.
When was the last time your mental healthcare provider adjusted your medication?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#162661 Jul 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Jimmy Carter was a submarine officer.
Ronald Reagan may have played as soldier or sailor in the movies.
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Thanks, I know. He worked with famous non-conventional maverick Admiral Rickover on the development of the nuclear submarine.

We have in this respect close ties to Jimmy Carter and are forever thankful to him for having risked his life to inspect and repair serious nuclear damage to our Chalk River nuclear reactor in 1958. Requiring all the expertise we could get in the matter, we asked the U.S. for technical assistance to prevent what we feared could be a nuclear meltdown. At that time, proper protective gear was not as sophisticated as today's and I recall seeing photos in Life Magazine of a then-unknown Jimmy Carter wading in waste-deep nuclear-contaminated water.

Given the man's navy record, his help in dire times at Chalk River, his work as a peanut farmer and the good he did for Georgia only give a partial picture of the man from the deep south. Incredibly, he, a liberal and racial and minorities integrator, elected governor IN MADDOX'S GEORGIA? Try and best that, Rogue. He was an honest, good president, not one teeny weeny scandal, war-free, assured long long peace between Israel, Egypt and Jordan. He is looking better and better as years go by in the eyes of historians and ordinary Americans. His work with Habitat and other charitable organisations and observer of voting in foreign lands add luster to an exceptional individual.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#162662 Jul 5, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
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Thanks for the data.
I did not know Canada and the USA relations were not as good as when Dumbya Bush was in charge.
Obama for the most part continued Bush/Cheney.
The average middle class citizenry have been losing ground worldwide since 1980 Reagan to present day 2013 Obama.
More accurately Alan Greenspan & Ben Bernanke!
Former PM Chrétien and Clinton were good friends. I hear they still play the occasional round of golf together.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#162663 Jul 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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That's right. Country Club RINOs want illegal aliens for cheap labor........ and Democrats want them as voters!
Look at Alabama. They passed a law two years making it illegal of employers to hire "undocumented" workers and if they get caught, they lose their business licence. The end results is that Alabama went to being 1% over the national unemployment rate to 0.6% under (April 2013) which have benefited mostly POOR unskilled workers many of which are BLACK.
What has Obama done to boost the BLACK employment rates?!? NOT A DAMN THING!!!
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It is true that Obama has not been able to get the economy going.

Because he suits the many illegals to get something going for work than the US citizens, the US people are ignored and displaced with no jobs and future prospect.

Yet people just don't get good-paid jobs these days in the present Obama economy.
Obama and family go to have groups of limousines, spending your taxation money by flying high with exuberant expenses, seeing as of you people don't exist.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#162664 Jul 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
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The LAW is not an excuse, moron.
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The point I was making was in reference to your original post. I was pointing out that the aggressor could have the tables turned on him and he ends up being the one claiming self-defense. Just talking about the SYG law in general.
wojar

United States

#162665 Jul 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Reagan did far for for our National Defense than Carter did!!! While "I" was training flight surgeons and West Point cadets to fly, Carter cut our flight school in half! But 1982 the Army was short 2,000 aviators!!!
Whenever caught with his foot in his mouth little baby Rougie tries to change the subject.
wojar wrote:
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Jimmy Carter was a submarine officer.
Ronald Reagan may have played as soldier or sailor in the movies.
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“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#162666 Jul 5, 2013
Jacques,
I don't trust anyone who plays golf.
It's a sport for sissys.
loose
wojar

United States

#162667 Jul 5, 2013
USS Jimmy Carter is the only naval vessel ever named after a living former president. According to Rouge it was intended as an insult.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#162668 Jul 5, 2013
That's right Jacques, I said it.
Golfing is for sissys.
wojar

United States

#162669 Jul 5, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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The point I was making was in reference to your original post. I was pointing out that the aggressor could have the tables turned on him and he ends up being the one claiming self-defense. Just talking about the SYG law in general.
That won't get the aggressor out of manslaughter. Neither can a burglar claim self defense and walk.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#162670 Jul 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>When was the last time your mental healthcare provider adjusted your medication?
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You speak for yourself.
It is good enough that vampire bot like you taking medication for a change after all, in order to prolong your sucking head again, as if you never have blood from all that blood you have sucked.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#162671 Jul 5, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
That's right Jacques, I said it.
Golfing is for sissys.
I tried golf. Tried hard. NOT for sissiee, believe me. But, the surroundings offered by a golf course setting are in itself worth the round, though one cringes at the volume of chemical agents needed to achieve such green perfection
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#162672 Jul 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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That's right. Country Club RINOs want illegal aliens for cheap labor........ and Democrats want them as voters!
Look at Alabama. They passed a law two years making it illegal of employers to hire "undocumented" workers and if they get caught, they lose their business licence. The end results is that Alabama went to being 1% over the national unemployment rate to 0.6% under (April 2013) which have benefited mostly POOR unskilled workers many of which are BLACK.
What has Obama done to boost the BLACK employment rates?!? NOT A DAMN THING!!!

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If Obama polls fall to the low, then you might have a chance by blaming and naming all Obama's faults in the next election.

You just had a very high turnout from Black and Hispanic voters, and the trend will continue in the future because there are a lot of incomers who have become voters as citizens there.

If the economy is still no good, minorities will probably look for something different.
So far, the names of Conservatives are Rubio, Cruz and Bush (Jeb).

So, if they want some more showing for presidential hopefuls, they can name a few more.
But it is still somewhat early, even you want the changing hand.

Meanwhile, just observe what Obama is up to, if he can do something that makes sense in your conditions there.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#162673 Jul 5, 2013
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Edward Snowden’s nightmare comes true



Snowden’s worst fear, by his own account, was that 'nothing will change.'| AP Photo
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By PHILIP EWING | 7/5/13 5:01 AM EDT

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/edward-...

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Because Obama said the data collection in regard to telephone record and duration conversations, this shows the biased ground of controversy.

Too many politicians including former Bush, said too many words already about Snowden, as many of them called him a traitor, for this is another signal of radicalism in a new world phenomena.

And at thee same time, it seems it is a further difficulty to believe when they say there will be a fair trial for Snowden.

From news reports, that generalizes telling Snowden does have a great International support.

US has to consider those who desert as coming up with the know-how to deal with it because it is a big country, by just knowing that people come and go everywhere

Just like those dissidents, deserters, defectors, from anywhere escaping or going to US that other countries accept as is, US needs to come to terms with itself in the reality of facing this realistic new world.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#162674 Jul 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>That won't get the aggressor out of manslaughter. Neither can a burglar claim self defense and walk.
The point being, the tables can be turned on the "aggressor".
wojar

United States

#162675 Jul 5, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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The point being, the tables can be turned on the "aggressor".
The point being that the play justice doesn't have a point. Self defense will not get Zimmerman off if he is seen as instigator. His reckless pursuit resulting in the death of a person who was violating no law, Zimmerman is liable for jail time.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>That won't get the aggressor out of manslaughter. Neither can a burglar claim self defense and walk.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#162676 Jul 5, 2013
wojar wrote:
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The point being that the play justice doesn't have a point. Self defense will not get Zimmerman off if he is seen as instigator. His reckless pursuit resulting in the death of a person who was violating no law, Zimmerman is liable for jail time.
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Surely, you understand what "in general" means? Then again, maybe you don't.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#162677 Jul 5, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Ellen1 wrote:
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When Eisenhower was president, the far right wing conservatives said that he was a communist and a "traitor."
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And I am sure you can prove that, Tootzie?
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Can you F-ing read? I mean, CAN YOU F-ING READ? What does "the far right wing conservatives said"?
It was written by Robert W. Welch, Jr. who was the president of the John Birches and is an INDIVIDUAL and if he is a Conservative, Obama is a Stalinist-Communist!!!
Also, you can always find a few loonies on both sides of the political equations. Yes, IHMO Eisenhower was left of center but "Tootzie" wants to imply that everyone that is a birther, is a far right extremest when that is not the case!
Nevertheless, the Welch quotation shows that the far right wing considered Eisenhower, a loyal US citizen, a "traitor." So, now the far right wing calls Obama a "Stalinist-Communist. "

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#162678 Jul 5, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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The point being, the tables can be turned on the "aggressor".
Not in Florida.

See Johnson v. State, 65 So.3d 1147 (3rd Dist. 2011)

Vila v. State, 74 So.3d 1110 (5th Dist. 2011)

http://tinyurl.com/cr9mwb9

"Florida Cases Interpreting Section 776.041: Person Who "Initially Provoked" Incident May Not Claim Self Defense"

"Were we convinced that the final encounter was of such nature that the issue of self defense was properly introduced and the appellant's blame should therefore be judged by the amount of force he used in resisting his victim, we think the testimony would have been admissible. But the facts believed by the jury point too strongly to a deliberate pursuit by appellant, after the original difficulty had ended and the parties had separated. The law is quite clear that one may not provoke a difficulty and having done so act under the necessity produced by the difficulty, then kill his adversary and justify the homicide under the plea of self defense." (emphasis supplied) Mixon v. State, 59 So.2d 38 (Fla. 1952).

BTW that was a second degree murder case. Guilty and affirmed.

According to Professor Wilson Huhn:

"The West Key Digest system brings up a number of older Florida cases involving the rule that a "wrongdoer" may not claim self-defense. In several of these cases the courts stated that the defendant must be "free from fault" in order to claim self-defense. The quoted language in each case is from the key digest headnote, not the case itself."

Zimmerman will be SOL if the jury believes he instigated the incident and is not free from fault, and it properly follows instructions from the judge.

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