BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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#161021 Jun 25, 2013
This is nothing more than a Red Herring. If it were not, why did the Democrats not bring into the Congressional hearings THEIR victims of the IRS? Easy, they would be subject to cross examination by the Republicans.
You see, this is reverse Libtardian Logic. Normally they claim it is okay for Obama to us the NRA .... because Bush did it too (even though Bush's program was not nearly as invasive). So now they claim it is okay to us the IRS to go after Conservative groups because they also go after Liberal groups. Question, did the IRS question the New BlACK pANTHERS???

Dems unhappy IRS screened for progressives too
Dems unhappy IRS screened for progressive groups, upset investigator didn't tell lawmakers
By Alan Fram, Associated Press | Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP)-- Democrats are unhappy that newly revealed Internal Revenue Service documents show the agency screened for progressive groups seeking tax-exempt status, not just the tea party organizations for which the IRS was already under fire.
Democrats also want to know why the Treasury Department inspector general who investigated IRS targeting of conservative groups didn't mention that terms like "Progressives" and "Healthcare legislation" were on the same lists agency workers used to find applications to review closely.
"The Inspector General seriously erred in not making clear in both the audit report and his testimony on this matter that 'Tea Party' and 'Progressives' were included" in the lists IRS workers used to screen applications, Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., wrote Monday in a memo his aides distributed. Levin is the top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee.
That Treasury investigator, J. Russell George, released a report in May detailing "inappropriate criteria" the IRS used to single out conservative groups for intensified treatment, and has testified to congressional committees several times. He never affirmed that progressive groups were sought out as well, although he cautioned lawmakers that he recently had found lists that raised concerns about other "political factors" he did not specify.
Levin's complaint came hours after Danny Werfel, the new IRS chief, told reporters that his agency's screening of groups seeking tax-exempt status was broader and lasted longer than has been previously disclosed.
http://news.yahoo.com/dems-unhappy-irs-screen...

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#161022 Jun 25, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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Somewhere in the above pile of drunken rambling is a point.
Yep, a president can declassify ANYTHING and it is legal. When Clinton was in office NASA was having rocket problems and could not keep up with the demands of civilian satellites so he allowed our commercial companies to have the Chinese put their sats in orbit.
The only problem is that the Chinese lacked the ability to put them in an accurate orbit so Chiton gave the LASER RING GYROSCOPES!!!
Do you know what a laser ring gyroscope is? It is a gyroscope without any moving parts!!! Now, do not ask me how they work as all I know is what I have read.
Ring laser gyroscope
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyros...
The same technology that allows us to put a satellite in an accurate orbit will allow a NUCLEAR warheaded missile to hit the very center of Los Angeles!!! And Bill Clinton gave it to the Chinese!!!
IMHO, Clinton has done for more damage to our national security than Ed Snowden has!!!

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#161023 Jun 25, 2013
Eye nose, eye nose, Jacqueau will demand a link so here it is Jacqueau;

Clinton Defends China Satellite Waiver

White House delivers papers to Congress in support of the deal

WASHINGTON (May 22)-- President Bill Clinton on Friday defended a controversial satellite deal with China, even as White House officials delivered documents to the House International Relations Committee about the arrangement.

The president said the deal to launch U.S. satellites on rockets owned by other nations was "correct" and "based on what I thought was in the national interest and supportive of our national security."
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/22/chi...

Yep, giving China the technology to accurately target our cities is in OUR best national security!!!
wojar

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#161024 Jun 25, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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I never said you claimed that! I didn't say you quoted anything from anyone. If you're going to jump into another conversaition, at least know what the hell the OTHER two talking about. Is your nickname Igor?
Grow up Sonny. Inferences exist. It's called logic.
wojar wrote:
When did I directly quote the paranoid schizophrenic as saying "it is a requirement"?
Read slowly, MORON. "If it is necessary to show a BC that was sent to momma in order to prove facts of birth to a paranoid schizophrenic, then it is a requirement imposed by the nutball."
If LRS would like to dispute the correctness of that statement he is welcome to try.
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#161025 Jun 25, 2013
We use to have nuclear landmines!!! They were called "suitcase nukes" but we phased them out under Reagan. Why? Well we had developed the Pershing II tactical missile system.
Oh the Libtards protested. You see, the Pershing I had a LARGER warhead and the Pershing II had a smaller one but because of improved accuracy, do to laser ring gyroscopes, we could destroy the target with a smaller bomb!!!
And isn't a REDUCTION in collateral damage a good thing?!?
Oh, suitcase bombs had to be dropped behind enemy lines (by parachute teams) and then carried to the target. And during this time it has a very high risk of being ... captured by the enemy and then what? They use it on us?!?
The Pershing II could fly 1,500 miles and hit within 100 years of the target so we no longer needed the suitcase bombs!!!

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#161026 Jun 25, 2013
Oh, the Pershing I rocket had only a 600 mile range. In part because it had a heavier warhead. We needed the larger warhead as it might hit a half-mile from the target and to insure the destruction of the target, ya needed a bigger hammer!
They converted the Pershing I rockets to the Pershing I-A rockets which had the improved laser ring gyroscopes that the Pershing IIs had.

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#161027 Jun 25, 2013
Now Jacqueau is wonder how a stupid helicopter pilot knows about this. Well Jacqueau, Chinook helicopters are the prime movers of "special munition" and I flew Chinooks.
In fact my last Chinook assignment was with the 205th ASHC., The Geronimos, in Mainz Germany in the mid-late 1980s and we specialized in transporting .... special munitions. Now the movement of special munitions is classified so I can neither confirm nor deny the movement of SMs but in 2017 it will be thirty years and that is when, and only then, that is when can I go into any details.
Until then, mumms the word!

http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/uni...

If you look carefully, you might even see a picture of me!

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#161028 Jun 25, 2013
During WWII, Finthen Flugplatz (Airfield) was a German night fighter base and we never knew it was there and it was never bombed. My office was in the old German hanger in the parachute hanger.
The parachute hanger was about 25 X 25 feet and we had a false ceiling as it was about thirty feet high. They would winch parachutes up to dry and inspect them.
I guess they could have put in a few floors to increase office space but then you would need stairs. Anyway they put in a false ceiling so we did not need to heat all of that dead space.
And what was neat is that we were real close to the officers club!!!

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#161029 Jun 25, 2013
Oh, we use to "swim" our Chinooks once a year in the Rhine River and we always got a lot of press. Since they would have to repack the wheel bears after amphibious operations they would just use two aircraft that were getting ready for major inspections and the pilots would take turns.
Since we had thirty pilots, and used only two aircraft, it would take us a couple of hours and we always had a crowd watching us swim!
And when we got back to the airfield they would put the two aircraft in the hanger and jack them up and do the wheels, brakes, bear repacks, etc.

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#161030 Jun 25, 2013
I know, all of us on this forum may not be whom we say were are. So you will just have to take my word for it!

“Facts trump speculation”

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#161031 Jun 25, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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I never said you claimed that! I didn't say you quoted anything from anyone. If you're going to jump into another conversaition, at least know what the hell the OTHER two talking about. Is your nickname Igor?
INFERENCE

: the act or process of inferring (see infer): as
a : the act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former

Grow up. Aren't you a little old for second grade? Isn't that desk a little small?
She was not incorrect. LRS is clueless. If it is necessary to show a BC that was sent to momma in order to prove facts of birth to a paranoid schizophrenic, then it is a requirement imposed by the nutball. However, schizophrenics typically cannot draw rational inferences. This is a case in point.

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#161032 Jun 25, 2013
Oh, I might have had a classified mission to Merry Old England and might have been on a airbase that had FB-111s and it might have been a nuje site too.
Well, nuke sites are very secure and if someone thinks they need to shoot someone, they shoot them.
Well, they had this British civilian secretary on the base that somehow got onto the aircraft ramp and broke two Chinook helicopters!!!
She broke off two plastic pieces that were on the bellies of the aircraft and they looked like a double ended horn and she was blowing on one while kicking the other one as she walked off the ramp. The Air Force was really concerned how badly our aircraft were damaged. They were "relief-tube venturies"!!!
You see, if a pilot has to, ah, relieve himself in flight he pisses into a funnel located under the pilot's seat when a tube takes it by a tube to this ventury-thing were the urine is vaporized into a mist. And the venturi looks like a cute little two-ended horn.
Of course the British secretary had no idea what she was blowing on!!! But I am sure she lost her job and would never be allowed on the base again!

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#161033 Jun 25, 2013
Oh, it is not smart to break into a nuke site. In fact it is very stupid as they can shoot you!!! I would not advise it!!!

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#161034 Jun 25, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, we use to "swim" our Chinooks once a year in the Rhine River and we always got a lot of press. Since they would have to repack the wheel bears after amphibious operations they would just use two aircraft that were getting ready for major inspections and the pilots would take turns.
Since we had thirty pilots, and used only two aircraft, it would take us a couple of hours and we always had a crowd watching us swim!
And when we got back to the airfield they would put the two aircraft in the hanger and jack them up and do the wheels, brakes, bear repacks, etc.
Pretty cool.

I didn't know they could be converted to be amphibious.

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#161035 Jun 25, 2013
I just watched a Chinese launch.

If I remember correctly it is their 5th manned mission.

Gonna hang out at space lab for a while I guess.

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#161036 Jun 25, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Overwhelmingly anti-war protesters are Liberals. In 1968 who protested at the Democrat National Convention in Shitcago?

Read more at http://www.topix.com/forum/who/barack-obama/T...
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Were There were riots at the convention, guess you missed that. What about the "National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam " that was seriously roughed up by police? And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Gordon Lightfoot wrote and sang a song about the Dem party 1968 convention riots.
Chicago's the third or fourth biggest city in the United States, a main cog as one could call it, and you call it "Shitcago?" (Rogue tm reg'd). Over 3 million fellow American "Sh*ts?"
Humm, we all have the right to protest ..... but we Conservatives do it in a peaceful way. Like the TEA Party events at Lafayette Park across from the White House.
Now a good example of how Libtards to it is like the Occutards who do not get parade permits, they raid private property, shit on police cars, etc. And that is why 6,700 odd Occutards were arrested between 2011 and 2012 while only a hand full of people were arrested at TEA Party events in FOUR years.
In fact, the police at TEA Party events are there to protect the TEA Partiers from counter-protesters!!!
As far as Sitcago, it is the Shitcago politics that make it what it is. Same goes to places Detroit, Philadelphia, etc.
And I have explained this before but Jacqueau seems to have a bad case of A.D.D.

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#161037 Jun 25, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
I just watched a Chinese launch.
If I remember correctly it is their 5th manned mission.
Gonna hang out at space lab for a while I guess.
And they never would have done it without Clinton giving them technology like the laser ring gyroscope! The same technology that will allow them to put a nuke downtown LA!

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#161038 Jun 25, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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Pretty cool.
I didn't know they could be converted to be amphibious.
Ah, there are about a dozen drain plugs on the belly that you have to close first!!! And there is no sump pump so you probably would not want to shut down the engines!

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#161039 Jun 25, 2013
I have done rescue hook operations in a Huey at 4,000 feet PA and it is about 5,000 feet that the good old Huey starts to have HOGE limitations.
The Blackhawk is good up to 8-10,000 feet but above that, the Chinook rules. They have used Chinooks to do rescue ops on Mount McKinley, AK at close to 20,000 feet. I have two friends who I know have done Mount McKinley rescues.

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#161040 Jun 25, 2013
The good old Huey was never designed as an assault helicopter. Sure they can carry ten passengers but in combat, at sea level, it is just six combat infantrymen and a the crew of four. At 5,000 feet you are down to just four infantrymen and at 10,000 just TWO!
The Blackhawk was designed as a squad assault helicopter in that it could carry ten combat soldiers (a squad) up to 5,000 feet PA, HOGE and climb at 300 fpm. At 10,000 feet, they are down to about half that!
Oh, HOGE = Hover Out of Ground Effect. It takes more power and more tail rotor!
I have landed a Huey at 10,000 feet and with just four people on board you have the left pedal at the stop. After that the nose just starts turning right and the only thing you can do is abort the landing and if you are good (and lucky) if you have a place to go and not crash.
On the Big Island, Hawaii, we had a Cobra crash at the 10,000 feet of Mauna Kea and an hour later a SAFETY OFFICER crashed a Kiowa jsu one hundred feet from the Cobra. I then had to go up in a Huey and bring them down, two pilots at a time.
Oh, they wanted me to pick up all four at the same time and I told them "HELL NO" as I knew what a Huey could do and could not do and I did not want to be the third aircraft crash of the morning!!!

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