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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160846 Jun 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
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SUNDAY, JUNE 23, 2013
Ever since Obama burst onto the national scene, claiming to have been born and raised in Hawaii, people have questioned his story. Rather than responding to those questions by allowing people to see his original long-form birth certificate, a step that would have instantly set those rumors to rest, Obama has refused to release any original documents pre-dating his election to the U.S. Senate. He’s kept everything – his original birth certificate, his school records, his college applications, his financial aid requests (if any), his Illinois State senate documents, and just about any other paper trail – under wraps.
Yahoo News Posts Obama’s Country of Birth Is Kenya... By Accident?
http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/
Re: "Ever since Obama burst onto the national scene, claiming to have been born and raised in Hawaii, people have questioned his story. Rather than responding to those questions by allowing people to see his original long-form birth certificate, a step that would have instantly set those rumors to rest, Obama has refused to release any original documents pre-dating his election to the U.S. Senate."

Answer: As you know, the original is and always will be in the files in Hawaii, just as the original is and always will be in the files of the DOH in any state. Birthers and whomever wrote that needs to know that the legal document is the official COPY and that Obama has two of them, short form and long form, and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him and that ALL the facts on the published copies are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him.

Re: "Yahoo News Posts Obama’s Country of Birth Is Kenya... By Accident?"

The answer to the question is YES.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160847 Jun 23, 2013
Re: "Yahoo News Posts Obama’s Country of Birth Is Kenya... By Accident?"

The answer to the question is YES.

And now, since I have answered your question, why not try to answer mine:

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160848 Jun 23, 2013
Re: "He’s kept everything – his original birth certificate, his school records, his college applications, his financial aid requests...under wraps.

That's because,duh, Mitt Romney and John McCain and ALL other presidents and presidential candidates did not show those documents EITHER.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#160849 Jun 23, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Yes, as refreshing as a jug of warm urine.
Every bit of it is true except to 209 courts of law, 535 congresspersons, 50 governors, 9 supreme court justices, why, even ALL of senior Republican brass including GWB, Cheney, Grove, Rumsfeld, Romney, Ryan, Rice, etc. Yet, you haters continue your rant, calling all of it "refreshing" and "every bit of it is true".
Yes, kudos to you, Frank, you're a breath of fresh birther air LMAO (LRS tm reg'd.)
If we are to believe Obama's own words written in his two autobiographies then we must believe that he is not fit to serve the office of POTUS. Obama claimed to have had his own birth certificate in his hand in the early 1980's. Obama also claimed to have lived in Indonesia in his youth and felt that Muslim prayer was the most beautiful sound on Earth. Two chapters in his first biography were dedicated to how much he hated our country and how much he wanted to destroy it,yet tens of millions of people who claimed to have read it still voted for him in 2008.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160850 Jun 23, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
Generals Speak Out Against Rumsfeld
DoD Determines US Foreign Policy, PERIOD!!! Congress is SUPERFLUOUS!!! The only thing to FEAR, is NOT ENOUGH FEAR.
"We went to war with a flawed plan that didn't account for the hard work to build the peace after we took down the regime. We also served under a secretary of defense who didn't understand leadership, who was abusive, who was arrogant, who didn't build a strong team."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. John Batiste.
"My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions -- or bury the results."
-- Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.
"They only need the military advice when it satisfies their agenda. I think that's a mistake, and that's why I think he should resign."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. John Riggs.
"We grow up in a culture where accountability, learning to accept responsibility, admitting mistakes and learning from them was critical to us. When we don't see that happening it worries us. Poor military judgment has been used throughout this mission."
-- Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former chief of U.S. Central Command.
"I really believe that we need a new secretary of defense because Secretary Rumsfeld carries way too much baggage with him.... I think we need senior military leaders who understand the principles of war and apply them ruthlessly, and when the time comes, they need to call it like it is."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack.
"He has shown himself incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically, and is far more than anyone responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq.... Mr. Rumsfeld must step down."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton.
Perfect security is Not attainable at any price!!!
STAR WARS & other MISSILE DEFENSE for a Trillion Dollars may stop 8 atomic war heads, but 2 will still hit their mark.
What can be achieved besides mutually assured destruction, is BANKRUPTING the US TREASURY.
-- Retired Army General Wesley K. Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
You do know Rummy left over six years ago, don't you? And Robert Gates was not much better either! And I thought Pennetta did a rather good job!!!
Frank

Spokane, WA

#160851 Jun 23, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Yahoo News Posts Obama’s Country of Birth Is Kenya... By Accident?"
The answer to the question is YES.
And now, since I have answered your question, why not try to answer mine:
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;
(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);
(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).
If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
His family was able to afford to send him to the most exclusive school in Hawaii,then to an expensive and exclusive school in California, then to Columbia and Harvard. According to the State Department Obama didn't have a passport when he traveled to Indonesia. Did he use an Indonesian passport to return to Hawaii? Did he use an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan? Did he use an Kenyan passport to travel from Indonesia,or to Hawaii or to Pakistan? Wouldn't we want an honest person to be the resident of The White House?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160852 Jun 23, 2013
wojar wrote:
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A worldwide flood that immersed the entire earth in the past 10,000 years is totally impossible. Even the PBS story you cite admits that there is no evidence for the worldwide flood according to the biblical story.
There may have been a big flood around the Black Sea. But it didn't cover Asia and Europe. And it didn't cover Africa and the other continents. There was a big flood in Connecticut in 1955. Big floods do happen. When Tropical Storm Floyd hit Connecticut it destroyed my library. Floods do happen.
So what?
Does anyone remember Mr. Flood pointing to a young Earth site which presented evidence for a WORLDWIDE FLOOD THAT IMMERSED THE ENTIRE EARTH? He called that geologic evidence.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's my point. Dufus.
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I am not a theologian, nor a naval shipbuilder nor an expert on human and animal breeding. So, to understand Noah's story or fable if one wants to call it that, one has to use plain common sense and evaluate the reality that was at that time, fully 2500 yrs before Christ.

1. God condemns the whole earth, men women, children and babies, as all are sinners, including the babies;

2. God relents, decides, for some unknown reasons, to save a 500-yr-old no-doubt insane and deranged man named Noah and his family;

3. This is well and good, but there is work to be done;

4. Yet, Noah and his sons, all 3 of them (at 500 yrs +, one would think the old codger would have hundreds of children...I digrest). He was supposed to obey God's law and make and make and make children. Why just three? And where were his grandchildren? No mention and apparently there were only 8 human beings sailing on the Ark;

5. Anyhow, yes, anyhow, these 4 guys, one of them 500 years old, and who knows how old his sons were, amassed enough wood to build a 500-ft long ship, THE SIZE OR, BIGGER THAN A 2ND WORLD WAR HEAVY CRUISER or Titanic, all this with no known saws, and certainly no hammers or nails;

6. They then managed to round up pairs of ALL known animals on earth except for the dinosaurs, thereby scientifically explaining their demise. Now, we presume they had built special enclosures for each pair, for they would fight and there would be much carnage and "eating" of travelling companions. Noah and his valiant sons also managed to feed and exercise this zoo for months and even longer, that part is not clear. One can only imagine the stench;

7. After "'landing" on Mount Ararat, ole Noah built himself a house and a vineyard, which caused him one day to get drunk. In a very "unBible" and ungodly manner, he fell, lost his pants and lay there naked. His favourite son, Ham, saw him lying thus and mocked him. In true biblical and Genesis justice fashion, demented Noah punishes Ham? Nooooo, Ham was his favourite, so instead he punished and banished Ham's son, Canaan, who had nothing to do with mocking the wretched dirty old man. Note : Some will remember that if the Bible, particularly the Genesis and Exodus parts were put on trial, it would take the fifth);

8. Oh, one more little detail. We all know that Adam and Eve, thanks to good old reliable incest, populated the earth until Noah's time. Then, in one fell swoop, the flood, and only Noah, his long-suffering wife, 3 sons and 3 wives are left to re-populate the earth. Ahhhh, good old dependable incest once more and, I repeat, the explanation why inbreeding causes insanity, namely creation of birthers and tea partyers.

THE END.
Mel

Goleta, CA

#160853 Jun 23, 2013
Obama and other in government get away with everything they do. Look at all the spying on citizens, on their cell phones, home phones, computers, etc by the FBI and NSA and they are getting away with that. And all the spending they do and all the trips Obama takes and the IRS spending 50 million to dance around and act stupid and make silly videos, etc. And now Obama spending another 100 million to go to Africa.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#160854 Jun 23, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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I am not a theologian, nor a naval shipbuilder nor an expert on human and animal breeding. So, to understand Noah's story or fable if one wants to call it that, one has to use plain common sense and evaluate the reality that was at that time, fully 2500 yrs before Christ.
1. God condemns the whole earth, men women, children and babies, as all are sinners, including the babies;
2. God relents, decides, for some unknown reasons, to save a 500-yr-old no-doubt insane and deranged man named Noah and his family;
3. This is well and good, but there is work to be done;
4. Yet, Noah and his sons, all 3 of them (at 500 yrs +, one would think the old codger would have hundreds of children...I digrest). He was supposed to obey God's law and make and make and make children. Why just three? And where were his grandchildren? No mention and apparently there were only 8 human beings sailing on the Ark;
...
8. Oh, one more little detail. We all know that Adam and Eve, thanks to good old reliable incest, populated the earth until Noah's time. Then, in one fell swoop, the flood, and only Noah, his long-suffering wife, 3 sons and 3 wives are left to re-populate the earth. Ahhhh, good old dependable incest once more and, I repeat, the explanation why inbreeding causes insanity, namely creation of birthers and tea partyers.
THE END.
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Genesis 22

6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together. 7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said,“My father!”

And he said,“Here I am, my son.”

Then he said,“Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”

8 And Abraham said,“My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.

9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.

11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said,“Abraham, Abraham!”

So he said,“Here I am.”

12 And He said,“Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of the place, The-Lord-Will-Provide;[b] as it is said to this day,“In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”

15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said:“By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

YAHWEH YIREH: the Lord will provide

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Can you even 'imagine' the FAITH Abraham HAD in his Lord to "trust Him" to provide a 'sacrifice'...

instead of having to KILL his only "son" ...???

oh ye of NO faith!... jockitch!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160855 Jun 23, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If we are to believe Obama's own words written in his two autobiographies then we must believe that he is not fit to serve the office of POTUS. Obama claimed to have had his own birth certificate in his hand in the early 1980's. Obama also claimed to have lived in Indonesia in his youth and felt that Muslim prayer was the most beautiful sound on Earth. Two chapters in his first biography were dedicated to how much he hated our country and how much he wanted to destroy it,yet tens of millions of people who claimed to have read it still voted for him in 2008.
I've read both Obama's books. I can't find the parts where he said he had his original BC in his hand in the 1980s. Which one? I don't know how it works in Hawaii, but over here, I 've had many certified copies of my birth certificate before all was centralised out of hospitals and parishes and let me tell you, the parish priest would always WRITE me a certified original - NO ORIGINAL BC would ever be given to the person. How else could it maintain to have ...the original?

Okay, have you ever listened to the sound of the beckoning of prayer from the Minaret? I'm certainly not Moslem, but find it hauntingly beautiful, though I don't agree with Obama it's the most beautiful sound in the world - if in fact he said it and if he did, he is entitled to his musical/taste opinion. "O Holy night" has always been revered by Catholics all over yet it was banned from Midnight Mass until fairly recently because its writer was considered an atheist.

So he lived in Indonesia with his step-dad who was Moslem? So what? I've lived out-of-country too with my kids and taught in foreign schools, why in one instance in American Intl School. Does that make them un-Canadian?

As to Obama hating the US and wanting to destroy it, you merely misunderstood the premise of those words. He meant an end to its present form and a rebuilding of it. Idealistic and dreamer, maybe, but no physical destruction and certainly not another Bolshevik-type upheaval.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160856 Jun 23, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If we are to believe Obama's own words written in his two autobiographies then we must believe that he is not fit to serve the office of POTUS. Obama claimed to have had his own birth certificate in his hand in the early 1980's. Obama also claimed to have lived in Indonesia in his youth and felt that Muslim prayer was the most beautiful sound on Earth. Two chapters in his first biography were dedicated to how much he hated our country and how much he wanted to destroy it,yet tens of millions of people who claimed to have read it still voted for him in 2008.
Answer: However, he was elected on November 6, 2012, confirmed by the US Congress and sworn in (several times) by that RINO, the Cief Justice of the USA. And, unless someone does something brutal and stupid (and Joe Biden would become president), he will be president until January of 2017. Get used to it.
LOOPI

Accra, Ghana

#160857 Jun 23, 2013
Jacques Ottawa sat on a wall
Jacques Ottawa had a great fall

All the Kings horses and all the Kings men
Laughed at Jacques as they spat on him
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160858 Jun 23, 2013
Re: "His family was able to afford to send him to the most exclusive school in Hawaii"

But not in 1961. Their earnings improved considerably LATER, when Obama's grandmother became a vice president of a bank. And, duh, even if they had the $10,000 estimated (in 2013 dollars) to send Obama's mother to Kenya or some other country----they wouldn't have spent that money because of the high risk of travel late in pregnancy and the even higher risk because she would have had to have traveled alone (since WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961)

Re: then to an expensive and exclusive school in California, then to Columbia and Harvard. "

Answer: Yes, as I said, Obama's family's income improved, but in 1961 it was very low, and BTW, the explanation of how Obama got enough money to go to all those places is ACADEMIC SCHOLARSHIPS and US government loans (which are not available to foreigners, only to US citizens).

Re: "According to the State Department Obama didn't have a passport when he traveled to Indonesia."

So he traveled on his mother's US passport, but WHEN HE CAME BACK HE HAD HIS OWN US PASSPORT. How do we know, because (1) he traveled alone, so he could not be on his mother's passport; and (2) if he had used any other country's passport other than a US passport, he would have needed a US VISA on that passport, and no record of his applying for a US visa exists (If it did, the Bush Administration would have found it and used it long ago).

Re: " Did he use an Indonesian passport to return to Hawaii?"

Answer: NO, as explained above, since there is no record of his having applied for a US visa, he must have used a US passport, and that requires that he show a US birth certificate, and we know that he had a US birth certificate---etc.

Re: Did he use an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan? "

Answer: THAT is easy enough for you to find out. Call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ASK (what an idea). Ask for the press officer. You will learn that Obama never had an Indonesian passport because, duh, he was never an Indonesian citizen (yes there is an unsigned application to a school that says that he was, but people do lie on school applications, you know.)

Re: "Did he use an Kenyan passport to travel from Indonesia,or to Hawaii or to Pakistan? "

You can call the Kenyan embassy too, and you will learn that Obama never had a Kenyan passport.

Re: "Wouldn't we want an honest person to be the resident of The White House? "

Answer: We have had lots of dishonest residents of the White House---all of them, including Obama, were born in the USA.

The odds of Obama having been born in a foreign country remain at millions upon millions to one. First they did not have enough money to spend on such an expensive, risky and stupid trip. Second, they wouldn't have spent it if they had it, since there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii. Third, the officials of Kenya say that he certainly was not born there. Fourth, Obama has shown a birth certificate from Hawaii, and the officials of BOTH parties have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and the long form to Obama, and there is further confirmation in the Index Data file and in the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160859 Jun 23, 2013
Re: "that RINO, the Cief Justice of the USA. "

That should read, of course, THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE USA.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160860 Jun 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
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Genesis 22
6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together. 7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said,“My father!”
And he said,“Here I am, my son.”
Then he said,“Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
8 And Abraham said,“My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.
9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said,“Abraham, Abraham!”
So he said,“Here I am.”
12 And He said,“Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”
13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of the place, The-Lord-Will-Provide;[b] as it is said to this day,“In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”
15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said:“By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
YAHWEH YIREH: the Lord will provide
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Can you even 'imagine' the FAITH Abraham HAD in his Lord to "trust Him" to provide a 'sacrifice'...
instead of having to KILL his only "son" ...???
oh ye of NO faith!... jockitch!
Me of no faith? How about your faith in Santa Claus?

1. Abraham marries his own sister. Commits incest;

2. Abraham, afraid to be "terminated" by the Egyptian king, "lends" him his wife, claiming she is his sister, which is a half-lie, half-truth as she is his half sister after all. He thus reveals himself to be a coward, a girlyman;

3. Abraham has only one son, Isaac. The God of Love, the God who would thunder "Thou shalt not kill" in future 10 Commandments by Cecile B, DeMille, orders Abraham to murder his son, thereby being the first to prematurely break this commandment, His own;

4. The "Angel" stops the demented Abraham's hand from slicing his son like he would a sheep, and the comedy continues;

5. Abraham's wife is approaching 100. She is barren. She gives Abraham permission to impregnate her servant (read : slave) and a son, Ishmael, is born. As recompense for this act of adultery, God allows Abraham' s old lady to bear a son (the one who was to later be immolated). Now that she has her own, she becomces jealous and orders her servant (read : slave) out of her house and tells Abraham the brave man to abandon mother and Ishmael in the desert to die of thirst and hunger, which is a second and third attempted murder by this father of us all. Ishmael fools the old man, he survives.

And so it goes. As I said a few hours earlier, it the Bible were on trial, it would invoke the fifth.

Faith? Shall I tell you what to do with your fables?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160861 Jun 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
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CUT some of yours for space!
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Genesis 22
6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together. 7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said,“My father!”
And he said,“Here I am, my son.”
Then he said,“Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
8 And Abraham said,“My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.
9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said,“Abraham, Abraham!”
So he said,“Here I am.”
12 And He said,“Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”
13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of the place, The-Lord-Will-Provide;[b] as it is said to this day,“In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”
15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said:“By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
YAHWEH YIREH: the Lord will provide
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Can you even 'imagine' the FAITH Abraham HAD in his Lord to "trust Him" to provide a 'sacrifice'...
instead of having to KILL his only "son" ...???
oh ye of NO faith!... jockitch!
Are you telling me this is getting by you AL?

Let's just put aside the complete impossibility of the Noah story.

You are asking us to respect a guy who would kill his son because he heard voices?

This is a huge issue I take with theist. Because they don't really even believe themselves when they speak the words. They are sooo out of touch they file this one under virtue.(yes, I said virtue)

"Hey son, wanna go for a long gloomy walk?"

Are you kidding us?

What of the woman buried deep in the bible belt who drowns her 4 children on orders from God?

1 born again Judge.
12 christian Jurors.
Being tried in a "christian nation"

There is no "God told me to..." plea.

Guilty, not-guilty, Insanity. That is it.

Not 1 person even considered the possibility this woman was really just listening to God.

Why is that? I mean...this seems to be God's yardstick of faith.

But it is impossible to you that God would tell anyone else to kill their children...stab their spouse...buy a jet...take that job...run for congress.

If you allow this brand of vile nonsense from even one source, you must allow it for all.

The suicide bombing community is ENTIRELY faith based.

Allah told me to fly a jet into that building.
God told me to kill exactly 27 prostitutes.
God said my marriage is an abomination and I should kill my husband.

If the faith community REALLY believed these things. The first thing you would see is the "Act of God" defense in court.

But they don't really believe this. It is reserved ONLY for Abraham all others would be monsters.

Please do yourselves a favor. When asked to revere a person who acts as Abraham...feel free to say "No. Fuck You."

I promise that morally you come out on top, every single time...no exceptions.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#160862 Jun 23, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Me of no faith? How about your faith in Santa Claus?
1. Abraham marries his own sister. Commits incest;
2. Abraham, afraid to be "terminated" by the Egyptian king, "lends" him his wife, claiming she is his sister, which is a half-lie, half-truth as she is his half sister after all. He thus reveals himself to be a coward, a girlyman;
3. Abraham has only one son, Isaac. The God of Love, the God who would thunder "Thou shalt not kill" in future 10 Commandments by Cecile B, DeMille, orders Abraham to murder his son, thereby being the first to prematurely break this commandment, His own;
4. The "Angel" stops the demented Abraham's hand from slicing his son like he would a sheep, and the comedy continues;
5. Abraham's wife is approaching 100. She is barren. She gives Abraham permission to impregnate her servant (read : slave) and a son, Ishmael, is born. As recompense for this act of adultery, God allows Abraham' s old lady to bear a son (the one who was to later be immolated). Now that she has her own, she becomces jealous and orders her servant (read : slave) out of her house and tells Abraham the brave man to abandon mother and Ishmael in the desert to die of thirst and hunger, which is a second and third attempted murder by this father of us all. Ishmael fools the old man, he survives.
And so it goes. As I said a few hours earlier, it the Bible were on trial, it would invoke the fifth.
Faith? Shall I tell you what to do with your fables?
Half-sister ... BUT not of same mother!
Genesis 20 ...
12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.

http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questio...

A 'pdf' FROM: Geneva - The Bible of The Pilgrims that came to *America* to get away from
'persecution'....

The First Book Of Moses Called
Genesis

The Argument

Moses in effect declareth the things which are here chiefly to be considered:
First, that the world, and all things therein, were created by God, and that
man being placed in this great Tabernacle of the world to behold God’s
wonderful works, and to praise his Name for the infinite graces, wherewith
he had endued him, fell willingly from God through disobedience; who yet
for his own mercies' sake restored him to life, and confirmed him in the same
by his promise of Christ to come, by whom he should overcome Satan, death
and hell. Secondly, that the wicked, unmindful of God’s most excellent
benefits, remained still in their wickedness, and so falling most horribly from
sin to sin, provoked God (who by his preachers called them continually to
repentance) at length to destroy the whole world. Thirdly, he assureth us by
the examples of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the rest of the Patriarchs, that
his mercies never fail them, whom he chooseth to be his Church, and to
profess his Name in earth, but in all their afflictions and persecutions he ever
assisteth them, sendeth comfort, and delivereth them. And because the
beginning, increase, preservation and success thereof might be only attributed
to God, Moses sheweth by the examples of Cain, Ishmael, Esau and others,
which were noble in man’s judgment, that this Church dependeth not on the
estimation and nobility of the world; and also by fewness of them, which
have at all times worshipped him purely according to his word, that it
standeth not in the multitude, but in the poor and despised, in the small
flock and little number, that man in his wisdom might be confounded, and
the Name of God ever more praised.

http://www.genevabible.org/files/geneva_bible...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160863 Jun 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Half-sister ... BUT not of same mother!
Genesis 20 ...
12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questio...
A 'pdf' FROM: Geneva - The Bible of The Pilgrims that came to *America* to get away from
'persecution'....
The First Book Of Moses Called
Genesis
The Argument
Moses in effect declareth the things which are here chiefly to be considered:
First, that the world, and all things therein, were created by God, and that
man being placed in this great Tabernacle of the world to behold God’s
wonderful works, and to praise his Name for the infinite graces, wherewith
he had endued him, fell willingly from God through disobedience; who yet
for his own mercies' sake restored him to life, and confirmed him in the same
by his promise of Christ to come, by whom he should overcome Satan, death
and hell. Secondly, that the wicked, unmindful of God’s most excellent
benefits, remained still in their wickedness, and so falling most horribly from
sin to sin, provoked God (who by his preachers called them continually to
repentance) at length to destroy the whole world. Thirdly, he assureth us by
the examples of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the rest of the Patriarchs, that
his mercies never fail them, whom he chooseth to be his Church, and to
profess his Name in earth, but in all their afflictions and persecutions he ever
assisteth them, sendeth comfort, and delivereth them. And because the
beginning, increase, preservation and success thereof might be only attributed
to God, Moses sheweth by the examples of Cain, Ishmael, Esau and others,
which were noble in man’s judgment, that this Church dependeth not on the
estimation and nobility of the world; and also by fewness of them, which
have at all times worshipped him purely according to his word, that it
standeth not in the multitude, but in the poor and despised, in the small
flock and little number, that man in his wisdom might be confounded, and
the Name of God ever more praised.
http://www.genevabible.org/files/geneva_bible...
What is your definition of incest? Having sex with one's half-sister is not incest? Really? Would God bless a brother/half-sister marriage or union? Would He?
LNC Llin

United States

#160864 Jun 23, 2013
Birthers divert republican attention ..a good in itself!

Since: May 10

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#160865 Jun 23, 2013
Mel wrote:
Obama and other in government get away with everything they do. Look at all the spying on citizens, on their cell phones, home phones, computers, etc by the FBI and NSA and they are getting away with that. And all the spending they do and all the trips Obama takes and the IRS spending 50 million to dance around and act stupid and make silly videos, etc. And now Obama spending another 100 million to go to Africa.
Yep, spending OUR money!

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