BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Justice LRS

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Huh? A Certificate of Live Birth (which is a birth certificate) originates from DOH not the other way around.
RU on drugs?
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Should have been "certification". My bad.
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Birfoon: "I don't buy those numbers for one second."
So we must trust LSR's bare unsubstantiated assertion as fact because he doesn't "buy" the numbers.
Why are marine fossils found high in the mountains? Because the land that those mountains are composed of were once ancient ocean floors, before the mountains were formed. There was never enough water on this planet to submerge mountains. Sorry.
BTW, moron, if the marine fossils high in the Andes and Himalayas were due to a flood that deposited fossils at those elevations, the land masses of the earth would have been covered by flood waters, and again, there was never enough water on the earth for such a fantasy. Physically impossible.
Hub of human life?
Moron: "Geological evidence supports this flood theory."
What flood theory? A flood that occurred in the region of the Black Sea submerged the Andes? Is that your theory?
Moron: "And surely a flood could be the cause of a bottleneck, no?"
A flood that only drowns humans and not squirrels, hamsters, bears, deer, caribou, cats, et cetera?
What RU smoking?
Grow up!
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I see you're in one of your top notch "pryck" moods. But hey, that's you!

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1207/features/noah.htm

http://www.paleoportal.org/index.php...

What RU sucking?
Get f*cked!(if you only could)
Justice LRS

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Re: "Did he actually lose it or 'accidently' shred it?"
Answer: He or his family lost it.(Notice the way that it was being kept, "in an old book." If he simply left it in that old book, well it would be easy to lose. It would have been easy to have left that book in Hawaii when they moved to Indonesia.)
Re: "His Grandma Sarah Obama insisted she was present at this usurper's birth in Mombassa before he was later adopted in Indonesia."
Answer: A birther LIE.
She never said any such thing. Birther sites simply cut off the tape recording just BEFORE she was asked "Where was he born?" She answered that by saying repeatedly "In HAWAII." And, by the way, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government says that it investigated and that Obama and his mother were not among them.
Re: "BHO is using a stolen SSN..."
Answer. No. It is not stolen. There are millions upon millions of data entry errors in SS files, and Obama's CT SS number is one of them, generated by an error in entering a single digit that turned the Hawaii zip code into the zip code for Danbury CT.
And the Obumbler apologist adds to the list of excuses. Comical at best! I hope you're purposely putting on an act. No one buys all the excuses. Ludicrous.
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Jun 21, 2013
 
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Why does O's BC look like the "new" type instead of one from 1961? Hmmm???? I mean, they "HAVE" the original on file, right? Hmmm????
That was one of the questions Trumps "special investigators" were going to answer ......... but they apparently fell of the face of the earth.

Haven't heard what became of them. Golly gee, their families must be sick with worry by now.

Hmmmm ....
Justice LRS

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Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?
There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.
So what? What is your effing point?
There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?
What is your effing point?
The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?
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My point is that a catastrophic flood possibly did happen and that there is evidence to support it. So, what is your effing point? You're the one that said it isn't possible. That's BS. What's your effing point? pinhead
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.
Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
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No, using PDF and not JPG was stupid.
As for "putting certified copies in a van to tour the US"---that is your creation.
No! Creating a fake PDF was stupid. Geez, grab original, place on copier, copy, mail. TaDa!!!!!

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Justice LRS wrote:
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Should have been "certification". My bad.
Huh? Both the Certification of Live Birth (now called a Certificate of Live Birth) and the Certificate as previously issued originate from DOH. Either way, they are legitimate birth certificates issued by DOH.

Sorry, loser, you (an individual) cannot mail in a certificate of live birth to DOH. You got it arse backwards. DOH issues the document. BTW, loser it was a hospital birth. Got a clue? Delivering physician David A Sinclair, M. D. signed the document which was forwarded to DOH via the friggin' HOSPITAL.

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Huh? A Certificate of Live Birth (which is a birth certificate) originates from DOH not the other way around.
RU on drugs?
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Justice LRS wrote:
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Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Huh? RU taking your meds?

The original vital record is the record kept at DOH. Whether the document issued to an applicant says 'Certification' or 'Certificate' is of no moment. Either way, if the document says Born in Honolulu, it means Born in Honolulu. Only an idiot could believe a document that says born in Honolulu means Kenya because it's called a 'certification'.

Numskull.

And if it said Born in Kenya would that mean Honolulu? Idiot.
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.

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Justice LRS wrote:
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Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Huh? Everyone was sent, for most of the past decade, a "Certification" until recently. Now the exact same document is called a "Certificate."

You're on drugs.
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.
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Yeah, the latter is expensive and that just exactly what the State of Hawaii did. No, they did not simply make digital images, they transcribed all the data into a database.
No a clerk does not have to do anything but push a button once the correct record is located. This was described years ago.
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Thanks for the correction.

However,I am still left with the impression that a human must have been involved in the digitizing process. Judging by the skipping and faint typewriting on the original, it is highly unlikely that this could have been done by character-recognition software. Most likely a human entered the data, and that human must have looked at the document in order to enter the data. So a human most likely saw that the original (or the digital image of it) said HONOLULU.

And that is additional confirmation (if any additional confirmation really were needed) that there was indeed an original Hawaii birth certificate and that it showed HONOLULU as the place of birth.

Would this be correct? Or was it entirely automatic (the latter is very hard to believe).

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Justice LRS wrote:
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My point is that a catastrophic flood possibly did happen and that there is evidence to support it. So, what is your effing point? You're the one that said it isn't possible. That's BS. What's your effing point? pinhead
Hey, Hurricane Floyd caused catastrophic flooding.

And there is evidence to support it. Lots of evidence.

MORON.

But Noah wasn't involved; hee hee.

Wowee Zowee there were floods throughout history? So fecking what?

What's your fecking point?

What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?

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wojar wrote:
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Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?
There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.
So what? What is your effing point?
There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?
What is your effing point?
The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?
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And the Obumbler apologist adds to the list of excuses. Comical at best! I hope you're purposely putting on an act. No one buys all the excuses. Ludicrous.
(1) Both Obama and Mitt Romney or their families lost the birth certificate that was sent to them, so both of them had to ask for copies. Big deal. Millions of people do that.

(2) Obama has a SS number from Connecticut generated by a data entry error---just like the millions upon millions of errors in other SS files.

(3) Obama really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows, and the officials of BOTH parties confirms. Obama's birth certificate is not forged. Only birthers have claimed that it is, and they keep on repeating their nutty claims. The claims are nutty because the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that the facts on the published copy of Obama's long form birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on the birth certificate that they sent to him.

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Thanks for the correction.
However,I am still left with the impression that a human must have been involved in the digitizing process. Judging by the skipping and faint typewriting on the original, it is highly unlikely that this could have been done by character-recognition software. Most likely a human entered the data, and that human must have looked at the document in order to enter the data. So a human most likely saw that the original (or the digital image of it) said HONOLULU.
And that is additional confirmation (if any additional confirmation really were needed) that there was indeed an original Hawaii birth certificate and that it showed HONOLULU as the place of birth.
Would this be correct? Or was it entirely automatic (the latter is very hard to believe).
Indeed, human clerks transcribed the records. But since both the certification (2007) and the the copy of the original vital record (2011) are public, and they agree, there is no issue, except in the birfoon mind.
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Yeah, the latter is expensive and that just exactly what the State of Hawaii did. No, they did not simply make digital images, they transcribed all the data into a database.
No a clerk does not have to do anything but push a button once the correct record is located. This was described years ago.
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Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
No, duh, he was sent a certification as he SHOULD HAVE. He was sent a certification because in 2001 Hawaii's law changed and from that moment on it sent everyone---meaning both infants who were just born and people wanting copies of their birth certificates---short form birth certificates called Certifications.

And, even though these were not photocopies of the originals, Hawaii law says that the short form birth certificates are legal birth certificates. That is what Hawaii sends everyone who asks for "a copy of my birth certificate."

You are correct, the original is unchanged and, in fact, it has a lot more facts on it than the short-form birth certificate, but legally that does not matter. The short-form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is used by thousands of people to get their passports every year.

Obama's original continues to exist in the files, and it was this document that was photocopied onto security paper to make the official copy of the long-form birth certificate, known as the CERTIFICATE, which was sent to Obama in 2011. So now Obama has both the Certification and the Certificate. And the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts on the images of them that Obama has shown are exactly the same as on what they sent him.

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No! Creating a fake PDF was stupid. Geez, grab original, place on copier, copy, mail. TaDa!!!!!
NO, it is not fake. It is a scanned image of the official long form birth certificate that was put into PDF, and in fact the officials in Hawaii have confirmed that the facts on the image that the White House has put online are EXACTLY the same as on the one that they sent to him.

Re "place on copier." No they used a scanner not a copier, and the reason was, duh, they wanted to put it online so millions of people could see it. They should have used jpg, but they used pdf. Big deal. Mitt Romney showed only a Web image of a photocopy of his birth certificate, not even a direct image of his birth certificate---and, unlike Obama's BC, the officials in Michigan did not say that they had sent a BC to Romney or that the facts on the image that he showed were exactly the same as on the one that they sent him.

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No, duh, he was sent a certification as he SHOULD HAVE. He was sent a certification because in 2001 Hawaii's law changed and from that moment on it sent everyone---meaning both infants who were just born and people wanting copies of their birth certificates---short form birth certificates called Certifications.
And, even though these were not photocopies of the originals, Hawaii law says that the short form birth certificates are legal birth certificates. That is what Hawaii sends everyone who asks for "a copy of my birth certificate."
You are correct, the original is unchanged and, in fact, it has a lot more facts on it than the short-form birth certificate, but legally that does not matter. The short-form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is used by thousands of people to get their passports every year.
Obama's original continues to exist in the files, and it was this document that was photocopied onto security paper to make the official copy of the long-form birth certificate, known as the CERTIFICATE, which was sent to Obama in 2011. So now Obama has both the Certification and the Certificate. And the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts on the images of them that Obama has shown are exactly the same as on what they sent him.
Yeah, but Obama doesn't seem to have the informal hospital document with his footie print. According to play law, no footie print means no President. I'm not eligible; the hospital in Connecticut did not include footie prints. I'm so so heartbroken.

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NO, it is not fake. It is a scanned image of the official long form birth certificate that was put into PDF, and in fact the officials in Hawaii have confirmed that the facts on the image that the White House has put online are EXACTLY the same as on the one that they sent to him.
Re "place on copier." No they used a scanner not a copier, and the reason was, duh, they wanted to put it online so millions of people could see it. They should have used jpg, but they used pdf. Big deal. Mitt Romney showed only a Web image of a photocopy of his birth certificate, not even a direct image of his birth certificate---and, unlike Obama's BC, the officials in Michigan did not say that they had sent a BC to Romney or that the facts on the image that he showed were exactly the same as on the one that they sent him.
When I was a corporate analyst I asked my employer for documents to submit to IRS. They gave me pdf files. Nobody said they should have used jpg files. But they had common sense, unlike birfoons.

When the US agencies submit documents to Federal courts, they submit certified pdf documents - NOT jpg files. It's the certification that counts. Birfoons don't get it. The full faith and credit clause in the CONSTITUTION is what counts. However, birfoons selectively interpret the Constitution.
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Huh? Both the Certification of Live Birth (now called a Certificate of Live Birth) and the Certificate as previously issued originate from DOH. Either way, they are legitimate birth certificates issued by DOH.
Sorry, loser, you (an individual) cannot mail in a certificate of live birth to DOH. You got it arse backwards. DOH issues the document. BTW, loser it was a hospital birth. Got a clue? Delivering physician David A Sinclair, M. D. signed the document which was forwarded to DOH via the friggin' HOSPITAL.
Duh!
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Do you even understand the point? I don't think so. Really. Let's see. In this case what is the difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of a live birth?

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