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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LNC Llin

United States

#160864 Jun 23, 2013
Birthers divert republican attention ..a good in itself!

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#160865 Jun 23, 2013
Mel wrote:
Obama and other in government get away with everything they do. Look at all the spying on citizens, on their cell phones, home phones, computers, etc by the FBI and NSA and they are getting away with that. And all the spending they do and all the trips Obama takes and the IRS spending 50 million to dance around and act stupid and make silly videos, etc. And now Obama spending another 100 million to go to Africa.
Yep, spending OUR money!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#160866 Jun 23, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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Are you telling me this is getting by you AL?
Let's just put aside the complete impossibility of the Noah story.
You are asking us to respect a guy who would kill his son because he heard voices?
This is a huge issue I take with theist. Because they don't really even believe themselves when they speak the words. They are sooo out of touch they file this one under virtue.(yes, I said virtue)
CUT because of 'your' PROFANITY!
Do NOT want it in with MY comment!
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Christopher Hitchens’ lies do atheism no favors
I'm also an atheist and believe the religious right is a problem. But so is Hitchens' intellectual dishonesty
BY CURTIS WHITE
SUNDAY, JUN 23, 2013 07:00 AM EDT
...
Hitchens’s “God Is Not Great” is an intellectually shameful book.

To be intellectually shameful is to be dishonest, to tell less than you know, or ought to know, and to shape what you present in a way that misrepresents the real state of affairs.

In this sense, and in Hitchens’s own term, his book lacks “decency.”(You may think that I lack decency for attacking a man so recently deceased, but I do no more than what Hitchens himself did. Speaking of Jerry Falwell, Hitchens pointedly refuses a “compassionate word” for this “departed fraud.”)

...

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/23/christopher_h...

But that's book reviewing for you, and No One Left To Lie To demands that those leftish British readers who respond to the ugly spectacle of the Third Way in power with passive uncertainty are prodded to buy this record of the consequences of Clintonism.
Hitchens's theme is that bewildered (and bewildering) remnants of progressive opinion in America have sacrificed their honour and the livelihoods of the American poor in defence of a 'crooked President and a corrupt and reactionary administration' merely because Bill Clinton found it easier to advance to office by calling himself a Democrat rather than a Republican.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/1999/ma...

You ARE a 'weak minded' individual for using SUCH language! imo
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#160867 Jun 23, 2013
There must be a lot of upset of US in manufacturing the very noisy outcry of attracting to look for International attention about naming the Snowden case.

As US keeps on pressing Snowden to make the world to see if US is being agitated by Russia and disagreement from others on many matters in UN or not, many local newspapers report more on Snowden story than the robbers and traffic accidents, US must be being ignored by the world on Syria, so it goes about expressing its sadness on Snowden for extradition in order to seek the sorrow to be mended.

Wow, global people do not scratch or shake heads, and would wipe the lips after a dinner, by pondering what big attention is that all about,as Snowden matters are shuffled to people's in-between slots of work time to puzzle if they would be feeling better drinking some glasses of wine or beer, but then they come to the gossiping and wondering if US would charge people picking the nose too?

Just who needs a relationship with sad people about Snowden, as they say Russia would give up Snowden for a relation?

Just how many defectors from Russia, China and other countries have gone to US to leak their secrecy, and would they seek extradition too?
There is the perspective of different beliefs in the system of justice everywhere, as US judges are more political than watching justice, or would rather bring some gun to polish around or sleep around of the clock. What makes one think US has better justice than other countries?
It is too naive to believe people want the model of Justice from US, unless there are blueprints for B-1 bombers, guidance system and laser technology , by which Bush would be happy to give to them during his time.

Since Obama visited Britain, someone from UK not knowing much, called him prime minister from seeing him buying cigarettes, he might as well want to invite Obama to be his PM as he likes British smoke better when his real PM Cameron does not smoke.

But don't forget, hey, you the British, why don't you give Obama smoke instead, and ask what he is going to do about Assange in the Ecuador embassy in Britain?

That so many people defect to countries and vice versa when International people have lots of differences in views is just the fact of reality, why does US give very loud voices about Snowden and Assange?

There is some kind of abnormality in this among so many defectors and people seeking sanctuary and accommodation anywhere, while US wants to make it look more peculiar, needs a lot of attention only because it calls the label of traitors (Calling Snowden a traitor means Snowden is a political refugee). But, or, is it that other countries are not calling theirs as traitors to defect to US which has tendency to violate the International laws, that it would press others to break their laws too by giving them extradition?

Does US want to push others to extradite to break laws, and simultaneously want a relationship?

Well then, if a political science professor can't answer you the question, why don't you ask the vendor at the hot-dog stand since so many customers of his keep asking the same question when US pushes, on extradition, as this is the International matter, not just US's, and so are Syria and others?

Even the vendor would say US is accustomed to think nothing else that matters as the case of Iraq war, as if it thinks it is only it (the major force and not from much anyone else) on the planet, with none of many others around.

Where are you people of the world heading in the direction of the globe, in any way, if there is only one consent with no International differences and rules of law and justice?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160868 Jun 23, 2013
LNC Llin wrote:
Birthers divert republican attention ..a good in itself!
Yep, and tomorrow Obama will talk about the need to save Earth from man-made Global Warming in hopes we will forget about Ben Ghazi, the IRS, the NSA, and the three murdered gay guys he left behind in Shitcago!!!

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#160869 Jun 23, 2013
POWELL: GOP 'LOOKS DOWN ON MINORITIES'
by BEN SHAPIRO 13 Jan 2013

This morning, former Secretary of State Gen. Colin Powell appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press to discuss the nomination of former Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) to Secretary of Defense. During the discussion, David Gregory asked the liberal Powell, nominally a Republican but a longtime supporter of President Barack Obama, about the Republican Party.“I’m struck when you talk about Republicans as they. I know you insist despite voting for President Obama twice now that you’re still a Republican. But as-- as I go through your record on some social issues and even foreign policy issues, I challenge you a little bit to say on what basis are you still a Republican? Do you feel like this Republican Party has left you or have you left it?”
Now, this is a half-decent question, given that Powell has been quite liberal on the issues for years now. But Powell’s answer wasn’t that he differed from Republicans on the issues. Instead, he went directly to the most common liberal meme these days in defending a radical left president: Republicans are racist. It’s a bully tactic that has become all the rage these days – Republicans don’t oppose Obama on policy, and they don’t have a good rationale for standing against liberalism. It’s just that they secretly hate black people.
Here’s what he said:
I think the Republican Party right now is having an identity problem. And I’m still a Republican. I’m a Republican who grew up along with George Bush XLI. I grew up with Ronald Reagan, Cap Weinberger, Frank Carlucci, that Republican Party, the Republican Party of Dick Lugar and John Tower. But in recent years, there’s been a significant shift to the right and we have seen what that shift has produced, two losing presidential campaigns.
So far, this is a typical leftist talking point. The Republican Party has not moved to the right. In fact, it has moved in rather extreme ways to the left, given its spending record and establishment opposition to the Tea Party. Ronald Reagan was significantly more conservative than George W. Bush. But this was prelude to Powell’s real agenda: labeling Republicans closet bigots.
I think what the Republican Party needs to do now is take a very hard look at itself and understand that the country has changed. The country is changing demographically. And if the Republican Party does not change along with that demographic, they’re going to be in trouble. And so, when we see that in one more generation, the minorities of America, African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Asian Americans will be the majority of the country, you can’t go around saying we don’t want to have a solid immigration policy. We’re going to dismiss the 47 percent. We are going to make it hard for these minorities to vote as they did in the last election. What did that produce? The court struck most of that down and most importantly, it caused people to turn out and stand in line because these Republicans were trying to keep us from voting. There’s also a dark-- a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the Party. What I do mean by that? I mean by that is they still sort of look down on minorities. How can I evidence that? When I see a former governor say that the president is shuckin’ and jivin’, that’s a racial era slave term. When I see another former governor after the president’s first debate where he didn’t do very well, says that the president was lazy. He didn’t say he was slow, he was tired, he didn’t do well, he said he was lazy. Now, it may not mean anything to most Americans but to those of us who are African-Americans, the second word is shiftless and then there’s a third word that goes along with it. Birther, the whole Birther Movement. Why do senior Republican leaders tolerate this kind of discussion within the Party? I think the Party has to take a look at itself. It has to take a look at its responsibilities for health care. It has to take a look at immigration..........

Since: May 10

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#160870 Jun 23, 2013
..........It has to take a look at those less fortunate than us. The Party has gathered unto itself a reputation that it is the party of the rich. It is the party of lower taxes. But there are a lot of people who are lower down the food chain, the economic chain, who are also paying lots of taxes relative to their income and they need help. We need more education work being done in this country. We need a solid immigration policy. We have to look at climate change. There are a lot of things that the American people are expecting and the Republican Party, as they get ready for the next election, really has to focus on some of these issues and not ignore them. Everybody wants to talk about who’s going to be the candidate. You better think first about what’s the party they’re actually going to represent. If it’s just going to represent the far right-wing of the political spectrum, I think the Party is in difficulty. I’m a moderate but I’m still a Republican, that’s how I was raised. And until I voted for Mister Obama twice, I had voted for seven straight Republican presidents.
Notice the subtle linkage there: Republicans oppose global warming, immigration reform of the type leftists want, redistribution of income, not out of principle, but out of hatred of those with a different skin color. This is despicable. And it is a lie. Powell’s statements are outrageous. His statements about “shuckin’ and jivin’”? He’s referring to former Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AL), who wrote this about President Obama’s feckless foreign policy on Benghazi:
Why the lies? Why the cover up? Why the dissembling about the cause of the murder of our ambassador on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks on American soil? We deserve answers to this. President Obama’s shuck and jive shtick with these Benghazi lies must end.
Is that racist? Of course not. But Powell labels it racist because it serves his political ends.
Is the word “lazy” racist? If so, half the media hates white folks, because presidents going back to Dwight D. Eisenhower have routinely been labeled lazy.
As for the birthers, nobody in the mainstream of the Republican Party has ever given credibility to them. Only in Colin Powell’s opportunistic mind is the GOP linked with birtherism.
What’s more, Powell is the last person on earth who should be making this claim. He says that he voted for President Obama twice because he’s a moderate Republican whose party has left him. That’s nonsense. In 2008, Republicans ran the most moderate Republican in history in Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). And Powell voted against him. Why? Let Powell, circa 2009, explain:
And I spoke at length with John McCain about his campaign and I watched Mr. Obama and his campaign. And at the end, I cannot say I was totally colorblind. But at the end, I convinced myself, based on the facts as I saw it, that he was the better choice for this time in our nation’s history.
It is Colin Powell and his perspective that are underlaced with a vein of intolerance. Powell should know better than anyone that the GOP has no such vein – after all, the GOP discussed the possibility of him running for president on its ticket for years. No, this is about liberal bullying and thuggery – claiming that anyone who opposes leftist policies does so out of racism rather than political differences. And it’s vile.
Ben Shapiro is Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News and author of the book “Bullies: How the Left’s Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America”(Threshold Editions, January 8, 2013).

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#160871 Jun 23, 2013
URGENT: Whistle-blower comes forward, attests to attorney that Obama’s financial aid state his citizenship Indonesian, aid given to Obama as a foreign student
http://redflagnews.com/headlines/urgent-whist...

Bo Snerdley Goes Birther On Obama Gangsta Government
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Congressman: We Should Investigate Obama’s “Phony Identification Papers”
http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160872 Jun 23, 2013
Glenn Greenwald: Decision from FISA court says NSA is bulk collecting .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#160873 Jun 23, 2013
Jacques,
I think Jr. got taken for a ride by all kinds of riff-raff, most notably himself.
Seriously though, he may have gone doctor shopping, pulled up with his Cadillac insurance throwing his weight around and flexing the Jackson muscle until he found a doc who would do what he wanted, and that is perform vanity surgery.
I don't think it's so far fetched a possibility to be completely discarded.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#160874 Jun 23, 2013
Fed Up wrote:
URGENT: Whistle-blower comes forward, attests to attorney that Obama’s financial aid state his citizenship Indonesian, aid given to Obama as a foreign student
http://redflagnews.com/headlines/urgent-whist...
Bo Snerdley Goes Birther On Obama Gangsta Government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =bdgKwfaCBHIXX&feature=pla yer_embedded
Congressman: We Should Investigate Obama’s “Phony Identification Papers”
http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-...
Thank You!
Passing it on :)

Since: Jun 13

Ashburn, VA

#160875 Jun 23, 2013
see wat happen 2day @ presidencial meetin wit mr president. Full story @www.genesiswap.tk
Oolongti

Florissant, MO

#160876 Jun 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank You!
Passing it on :)
who is the whistle blower? DOnald Trump?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#160878 Jun 23, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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What is your definition of incest? Having sex with one's half-sister is not incest? Really? Would God bless a brother/half-sister marriage or union? Would He?
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Like my answer here, you need to keep the chronology right. There is no levitical law at the time of Abraham.

Thus, even if he did marry his sister, remember that he was breaking no covenantal restriction on doing so. As I said in that answer, you don't convict someone of a crime ex post facto.
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questio...

There is a third option -

The prohibition on incest didn't come about until the covenant in Leviticus & Deuteronomy, and to accuse Cain, Abel, and Seth of incest is to accuse them ex post facto.

As an aside, a Young Earth Creationist would date the Creation to 4004 BC, and the Exodus (and hence the Covenant) to about 1440BC. As such, you would be accusing them of a crime that wasn't mandated for nearly 2600 years.

If you want to say, "but surely the law goes back further than the covenant," you get into territory of, "So when did it become a law?"

Incest is prohibited in most secular cultures today because it weakens the gene pool.

Over time, the level of closeness has gotten wider in order to ensure a wider mixing. In modern times, a first or second cousin is off-limits. If I remember correctly in Leviticus, immediate family was prohibited, but I believe that cousins were ok. If you follow the trajectory backwards, you'd probably arrive at a date at which it was ok even for family members to procreate together, societally speaking.

And, a fourth option -

Finally, Genesis 6:1-4 mentions the "Nephilim" - potentially an alternate breeding stock.
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questio...

LEARN you "biblical history"
AND
your World history!

you might be ABLE to carry on a 'decent' debate THEN!

)8~D>
American Lady

Danville, KY

#160879 Jun 23, 2013
Oolongti wrote:
<quoted text>
who is the whistle blower? DOnald Trump?
Donald Trump IS MORE of a LOYAL *American* than 0 is!

The 'below' IS NOT Donald Trump IS HE?...!!!

South Carolina Congressman Jeff Duncan agrees that Congress should look into this important matter.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-...

Francisco says:
June 18, 2013 at 9:52 am
Congress is deaf and dumb, for I have written my two Senators and my Congressman, and one Senator did not answered, Mr. Rubio did answered in a perfunctory manner, and did not addressed the issue I raised as to Obama’s fraudulent documents, and my Congressman, a leftist Democrat, basically told me that Obama’s documents were in order, and beyond reproach.
I guess if these guys voted in favor of the Federal Election Registration Law, which says that during registering to vote you do not have to show proof of citizenship, and it was confirmed as Constitutional by SCOTUS, and thus overturning Arizona own Law requiring IDs , they feel the same principle should be used if you try to aspire to the presidency.
Hell, I am going to run for the presidency in 2016, even though I am not a Narural Born Citizen !

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160880 Jun 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
10
Like my answer here, you need to keep the chronology right. There is no levitical law at the time of Abraham.
Thus, even if he did marry his sister, remember that he was breaking no covenantal restriction on doing so. As I said in that answer, you don't convict someone of a crime ex post facto.
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questio...
There is a third option -
The prohibition on incest didn't come about until the covenant in Leviticus & Deuteronomy, and to accuse Cain, Abel, and Seth of incest is to accuse them ex post facto.
As an aside, a Young Earth Creationist would date the Creation to 4004 BC, and the Exodus (and hence the Covenant) to about 1440BC. As such, you would be accusing them of a crime that wasn't mandated for nearly 2600 years.
If you want to say, "but surely the law goes back further than the covenant," you get into territory of, "So when did it become a law?"
Incest is prohibited in most secular cultures today because it weakens the gene pool.
Over time, the level of closeness has gotten wider in order to ensure a wider mixing. In modern times, a first or second cousin is off-limits. If I remember correctly in Leviticus, immediate family was prohibited, but I believe that cousins were ok. If you follow the trajectory backwards, you'd probably arrive at a date at which it was ok even for family members to procreate together, societally speaking.
And, a fourth option -
Finally, Genesis 6:1-4 mentions the "Nephilim" - potentially an alternate breeding stock.
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questio...
LEARN you "biblical history"
AND
your World history!
you might be ABLE to carry on a 'decent' debate THEN!
)8~D>
You post quotes from a third party and you tell me to carry on a "decent debate"? Are you kidding. You maybe contributed max 5 words to the above post.

And, I don't care about covenant, Exodus and chronology. You have sex with your mom or dad or sister or half-sister, you are committing an incestuous act. And, the medical consequences are well known, physical and intellectual infirmities to name just two. Were the latter two not a consequence of incest BEFORE it was declared verboten? If God is God, could he have not found a better way than incest to populate the earth? How'd he make Adam and Eve? Why did He just not continue thus?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160881 Jun 23, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you telling me this is getting by you AL?
Let's just put aside the complete impossibility of the Noah story.
You are asking us to respect a guy who would kill his son because he heard voices?
This is a huge issue I take with theist. Because they don't really even believe themselves when they speak the words. They are sooo out of touch they file this one under virtue.(yes, I said virtue)
"Hey son, wanna go for a long gloomy walk?"
Are you kidding us?
What of the woman buried deep in the bible belt who drowns her 4 children on orders from God?
1 born again Judge.
12 christian Jurors.
Being tried in a "christian nation"
There is no "God told me to..." plea.
Guilty, not-guilty, Insanity. That is it.
Not 1 person even considered the possibility this woman was really just listening to God.
Why is that? I mean...this seems to be God's yardstick of faith.
But it is impossible to you that God would tell anyone else to kill their children...stab their spouse...buy a jet...take that job...run for congress.
If you allow this brand of vile nonsense from even one source, you must allow it for all.
The suicide bombing community is ENTIRELY faith based.
Allah told me to fly a jet into that building.
God told me to kill exactly 27 prostitutes.
God said my marriage is an abomination and I should kill my husband.
If the faith community REALLY believed these things. The first thing you would see is the "Act of God" defense in court.
But they don't really believe this. It is reserved ONLY for Abraham all others would be monsters.
Please do yourselves a favor. When asked to revere a person who acts as Abraham...feel free to say "No. Fuck You."
I promise that morally you come out on top, every single time...no exceptions.
That is the beauty of faith. You can believe or not believe. Now I believe that much of the early Old Testament is allegorical (look up the definition).
Do I "believe" that there was a world wide flood? NO! But I do believe that the Black "Lake" flooded at the end of the last Great Ice Age when the Mediterranean broke through Bosphorus and flooded it with seawater and turned it into the Black Sea and this is the origins of the story. Back then they thought that that was the whole Earth and it probably was ... to them.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#160882 Jun 23, 2013
Fed Up wrote:
URGENT: Whistle-blower comes forward, attests to attorney that Obama’s financial aid state his citizenship Indonesian, aid given to Obama as a foreign student
Answer: This one YOU, or anyone, can check out for yourself. All you have to do is call the Indonesian Embassy and ASK. You will learn that Obama was never an Indonesian citizen.

Oh, and Obama received US government student loans, and those loans are available ONLY to US citizens. The "he received financial aid as a foreign student" story came from an April Fool's article originally published on April 1, 2009.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160883 Jun 23, 2013
I see!

The answer from the Department of Justice on behlf of the SSA in regards to Harrison J. Bounel’s SSN and the answer from the Postmaster General in regards to the fabricated stamp on Obama’s Selecive Service certificate are due in 4 days, on June 27th
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#160884 Jun 23, 2013
""""" who is the whistle blower? DOnald Trump?"""" "

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Donald Trump was here with family a few days ago.

Trump wants to build a fancy hotel here.

One wonders if he saw hot-dog vendors when he visited the near location area where the hotel was supposed to be constructed and asked some vendors if they thought Obama had no real BO?

Is it good or bad, that he builds one here and not in US?

After all, there is the high density of hotel concentration in this town, you bet they the hot-dog vendors know why that is so, only upon people wanting to know by buying hot dogs and shoot them with the questions to get answers.

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