BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160718 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. I agree that many birthers are illogical. I post on the assumption that there may be a rational person who reads this stuff and could be swayed either by the birthers (unlikely, but if she or he does not have the facts then possible) or by the FACTS. That is why I cite the facts.
And the fact that a human saw the original in the files and entered HONOLULU is an additional fact. This unknown person is an additional confirmation to the birth certificate and the confirmations by the officials and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home.
Not only did a clerk see HONOLULU, but the entire world saw it since Hawaii released the long form to Obama and provided a link to the White House image for the entire world to see.
Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#160719 Jun 21, 2013
Ben Ghazi wrote:
TEA Party strikes again!
House rejects farm bill, 62 Republicans vote no
House rejects massive farm bill that would have cut food stamps; 62 Republicans vote no
By Mary Clare Jalonick, Associated Press | Associated Press –
WASHINGTON (AP)-- The House rejected a five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm bill Thursday that would have cut $2 billion annually from food stamps and let states impose broad new work requirements on those who receive them.
Those cuts weren't deep enough for many Republicans who objected to the cost of the nearly $80 billion-a-year food stamp program, which has doubled in the past five years. The vote was 234-195 against the bill, with 62 Republicans voting against it.
The bill also suffered from lack of Democratic support necessary for the traditionally bipartisan farm bill to pass. Only 24 Democrats voted in favor of the legislation after many said the food stamp cuts could remove as many as 2 million needy recipients from the rolls. The addition of the optional state work requirements by Republican amendment just before final passage turned away many remaining Democratic votes.
Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., and No. 2 Democrat Steny Hoyer of Maryland, both of whom voted for the bill, immediately took to the House floor and blamed the other's party for the defeat.
Cantor said it was a "disappointing day" and that Democrats had been a "disappointing player."
Hoyer suggested that Republicans voted for the food stamp work requirements to tank the bill.
http://news.yahoo.com/house-rejects-farm-bill...
So Obviously, The Republicans screwed the whole thing up..

They are A..''holes.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160720 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Original vital record, moron. You got a certification in 2007 if you requested a certified copy. Duh! Didn't matter if you were Joe
Schmo or Presidential Candidate. Today you get the exact same document but it says 'Certificate' rather than 'Certification'.
MORON.
<quoted text>
Your words: "a certified copy".

A "copy" of your original document. If you were born before the policy change then your original document will say CERTIFICATE, if you were born after the policy change your original document would say CERTIFICATION!!! AND, if you request a copy of your original document then it should read exactly like the original. Grow a fricking brain, moron. I bet you still don't get it. LMAO! Want me to post some pictures for you? And to think, for years you told everyone you actually read the articles in "Gayest Men in Canada"! LMAO! TaTa. If you're lucky I'll check back after my ride. I feel the need, the need for speed!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160721 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Your words: "a certified copy".
A "copy" of your original document. If you were born before the policy change then your original document will say CERTIFICATE, if you were born after the policy change your original document would say CERTIFICATION!!! AND, if you request a copy of your original document then it should read exactly like the original. Grow a fricking brain, moron. I bet you still don't get it. LMAO! Want me to post some pictures for you? And to think, for years you told everyone you actually read the articles in "Gayest Men in Canada"! LMAO! TaTa. If you're lucky I'll check back after my ride. I feel the need, the need for speed!
No, not correct. If you were born after the policy change OR asked for a copy of your birth certificate after the policy change even if you were born before it, Hawaii law specifies that you get a short-form CERTIFICATION. You can REQUEST a copy of your original birth certificate, but they will send you the short-form CERTIFICATION anyway.

I never swear, but you said: "Grow a fricking brain, moron. I bet you still don't get it"---and that applies to YOU.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160722 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only did a clerk see HONOLULU, but the entire world saw it since Hawaii released the long form to Obama and provided a link to the White House image for the entire world to see.
I agree, of course, but in addition to that, and this unnamed person saw the word HONOLULU in the Hawaii DOH files many years ago, long before Obama even ran for president.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160723 Jun 22, 2013
Hummmm, more Libtardian Logic. Ah, how many houses where in that area, let's say, one hundred years ago?
Frequent Fires? New Tool Reveals Climate Impact by ZIP Code (Op-Ed)
By Frances Beinecke, President, Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)| LiveScience.com – 12 hrs ago

The West is no stranger to wildfires, but in recent years, climate change has packed many fires with greater intensity. Warmer temperatures and drier conditions are contributing to longer fire seasons and bigger blazes. Those trends mean more evacuations, more destroyed homes, and more deadly risks for residents and firefighters.
http://news.yahoo.com/frequent-fires-tool-rev...
The life cycle of a forest includes ... fires. And a classic example is the forest fire in Michigan in ..... 1871... were an estimated 500-1,500 people were killed and several town were wiped out!
Great Michigan Fire
The fires of October 8, 1871, started after a long dry summer. Most areas had had no rain in months, making the dried-up vegetation and logging debris, known as “slash”, fuel for the fires. These fires were the result of hundreds of smaller land-clearing fires whipped together to form a massive wall of flames by gale force winds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Michigan_F...
Yep, just like anything political goes wrong the Libtards blame Bush and if anything to do with weather is wrong it has to be .... Global Warming!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160724 Jun 22, 2013
On the hot seat: White House’s Jay Carney dodges questions more than 9,000 times: JUNE 22, 2013
By David Sherfinski-The Washington Times

White House reporters sometimes poke fun at press secretary Jay Carney’s penchant for using the phrase “I appreciate the question” during briefings — especially when it’s clear he likely does not, in fact,“appreciate” a tough or awkward query.
But a Yahoo! News analysis identifies “13 distinct strains” of how Mr. Carney evades reporter’s questions. More than 1,900 times since he held his first press briefing on Feb. 16, 2011, he gave some form of “I don’t have the answer — and there were at least 9,486 times where he’s dodged a question.
The breakdown, according to Yahoo!, includes:
I don’t have the answer (1905 times)
I would refer you to someone else (1383 times)
You already know the answer (1125 times)
I’m not going to tell you (939 times)
Not that I know of (927 times)
I don’t want to (588 times)
I’m not sure (549 times)
I won’t speculate (525 times)
No comment (429 times)
I’ll get back to you (387 times)
It’s a good question (381 times)
See yesterday’s non-response (231 times)
The president won’t tell me (117 times)
The job of a White House press secretary is certainly not to give open, unfettered access of the inner workings of the White House to the press. In large part, it’s messaging.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/...
Follow us:@washtimes on Twitter
Ben Ghazi

Topeka, KS

#160725 Jun 22, 2013
American Lady wrote:
COUNTY WANTS TO BE 51ST STATE
Bid developing for region to leave leftist Colorado
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/county-wants-to-be...
SUPREME COURT'S AUTHORITY FACES STUNNING CHALLENGE
'This is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross'
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/supreme-courts-aut...
ESTABLISHMENT RATS TAKE COVER IN NSA NEST
Exclusive: Larry Klayman spotlights class action suits aimed at spying overlords
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/establishment-rats...
WHEN DID THE ELITES DECLARE WAR ON AMERICA?
Exclusive: Craige McMillan reviews history of NSA from Soviet days to present
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/when-did-the-elite...
And that is the real reason why they are having all of those forest fires. God is punishing them!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160726 Jun 22, 2013
AlaskaGirl wrote:
kenyan
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Alaskan Girlyman -- demented.
Little Wojo thinks you're a bwitch!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160727 Jun 22, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Should have been "certification". My bad.
Doesn't matter. Certification of live birth is a valid BIRTH CERTIFICATE which alos originates from DOH and not the other way around.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? A Certificate of Live Birth (which is a birth certificate) originates from DOH not the other way around.
RU on drugs?
<quoted text>

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160728 Jun 22, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you're in one of your top notch "pryck" moods. But hey, that's you!
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1207/features/noah.htm
http://www.paleoportal.org/index.php...
What RU sucking?
Get f*cked!(if you only could)
No evidence of Noah's worldwide flood at either site.

No evidence of a flood that wiped out all the land animals.

No evidence of extreme bottlenecks in all land animal species dating to a putative biblical flood.

mayube you ought to go back to your young Earth web site where make believe is accepted.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Birfoon: "I don't buy those numbers for one second."
So we must trust LSR's bare unsubstantiated assertion as fact because he doesn't "buy" the numbers.
Why are marine fossils found high in the mountains? Because the land that those mountains are composed of were once ancient ocean floors, before the mountains were formed. There was never enough water on this planet to submerge mountains. Sorry.
BTW, moron, if the marine fossils high in the Andes and Himalayas were due to a flood that deposited fossils at those elevations, the land masses of the earth would have been covered by flood waters, and again, there was never enough water on the earth for such a fantasy. Physically impossible.
Hub of human life?
Moron: "Geological evidence supports this flood theory."
What flood theory? A flood that occurred in the region of the Black Sea submerged the Andes? Is that your theory?
Moron: "And surely a flood could be the cause of a bottleneck, no?"
A flood that only drowns humans and not squirrels, hamsters, bears, deer, caribou, cats, et cetera?
What RU smoking?
Grow up!
<quoted text>

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160729 Jun 22, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that a catastrophic flood possibly did happen and that there is evidence to support it. So, what is your effing point? You're the one that said it isn't possible. That's BS. What's your effing point? pinhead
A worldwide flood that immersed the entire earth in the past 10,000 years is totally impossible. Even the PBS story you cite admits that there is no evidence for the worldwide flood according to the biblical story.

There may have been a big flood around the Black Sea. But it didn't cover Asia and Europe. And it didn't cover Africa and the other continents. There was a big flood in Connecticut in 1955. Big floods do happen. When Tropical Storm Floyd hit Connecticut it destroyed my library. Floods do happen.

So what?

Does anyone remember Mr. Flood pointing to a young Earth site which presented evidence for a WORLDWIDE FLOOD THAT IMMERSED THE ENTIRE EARTH? He called that geologic evidence.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's my point. Dufus.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?
There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.
So what? What is your effing point?
There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?
What is your effing point?
The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#160730 Jun 22, 2013
Creeping Fascism: Lessons From the Past
by Ray McGovern CIA Ret. http://tinyurl.com/33mpdr
“There are few things as odd as the calm, superior indifference with which I and those like me watched the beginnings of the Nazi revolution in Germany, as if from a box at the theater…Perhaps the only comparably odd thing is the way that now, years later….”

These are the words of Sebastian Haffner (pen name for Raimund Pretzel), who as a young lawyer in Berlin during the 1930s experienced the Nazi takeover and wrote a first-hand account. His children found the manuscript when he died in 1999 and published it the following year as “Geschichte eines Deutschen”(The Story of a German). The book became an immediate bestseller and has been translated into 20 languages-in English as “Defying Hitler.”

I recently learned from his daughter Sarah, an artist in Berlin, that today is the 100th anniversary of Haffner’s birth. She had seen an earlier article in which I quoted her father and emailed to ask me to “write some more about the book and the comparison to Bush’s America…this is almost unbelievable.”

More about Haffner below. Let’s set the stage first by recapping some of what has been going on that may have resonance for readers familiar with the Nazi ascendancy, noting how “odd” it is that the frontal attack on our Constitutional rights is met with such “calm, superior indifference.”
Goebbels Would be Proud

It has been two years since top New York Times officials decided to let the rest of us in on the fact that the George W. Bush administration had been eavesdropping on American citizens without the court warrants required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978. The Times had learned of this well before the election in 2004 and acquiesced to White House entreaties to suppress the damaging information.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/2...

==========

George W. Bush: A CIA Analysis
by Ray McGovern CIA Ret. August 22, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2hpqtq
It is as though I'm back as an analyst at the CIA, trying to estimate the chances of an attack on Iran. The putative attacker, though, happens to be our own president.
It is precisely the work we analysts used to do. And, while it is still a bit jarring to be turning our analytical tools on the U.S. leadership, it is by no means entirely new. For, of necessity, we Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have been doing that for almost six years now – ever since 9/11, when "everything changed."
Of necessity? Yes, because, with very few exceptions, American journalists lose their jobs if they expose things like fraudulent wars.
The craft of CIA analysis was designed to be an all-source operation, meaning that we analysts were responsible – and held accountable – for assimilating information from all sources and coming to judgments on what it all meant. We used information of all kinds, from the most sophisticated technical collection platforms to spies to open media.
Here I have to reveal a trade secret, which punctures the mystique of intelligence analysis. Generally speaking, 80 percent of the information one needs to form judgments on key intelligence targets or issues is available in open media.
http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160732 Jun 22, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that a catastrophic flood possibly did happen and that there is evidence to support it. So, what is your effing point? You're the one that said it isn't possible. That's BS. What's your effing point? pinhead
Sorry Mr. Liars, I said a worldwide flood that immersed the entire Earth was impossible and it is.

Mr. Liars, however, presented evidence from a young Earth web site for the biblical flood that covered mountains. Mr. Liars asked questions about marine fossils in high mountains and pointed to Willie the vertical whale. He then even asked about a human population bottleneck, consistent with the belief that the bottleneck might coincide with the humongous flood and re-population by Noah and his crew.

What this shows is that Mr. Liars is a closet young Earth creationist who is changing his story.

The egg is still all over his face.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?
There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.
So what? What is your effing point?
There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?
What is your effing point?
The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?
<quoted text>
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#160733 Jun 22, 2013
For Rogues eyes only:

This is how Washington DC works.

The prostitutes vote for another prostitute.

----------

Senate Approves Froman for U.S. Trade Representative
June 19, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/lbhceun
The U.S. Senate on Thursday moved quickly to confirm President Obama's pick for U.S. trade representative as Washington gears up for the launch of formal trade talks with the European Union next month.
Michael Froman, currently a deputy national security adviser focusing on international economics, received broad support on Capitol Hill since his nomination last month, although some lawmakers raised questions about his investment in an offshore fund and his commitment to transparency. He was confirmed 93-4 with one senator voting present.
He succeeds Ron Kirk, who stepped down in March. Sens. Carl Levin (D., Mich.), Joe Manchin (D., W.V.), Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D., Ma.) opposed him and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.) voted present.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160734 Jun 22, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew you didn't get it. Dipshyt! You had to be the slowest kid at every school you attended. Always bringing up the rear, huh? When you figure out the difference between the two, post it and I'll make sure to LMAO!!! Jingle time: WHAT-A-DUMBASSBASTARD! LMAO
It is Mr. Liars who doesn't seem to understand the difference between "born in the USA" and "born in Kenya."

A Certificate or Certification of Live Birth stating POB Hawaii means POB Hawaii, not Kenya.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
In Birfoonistan "born in the USA" in a Certification of Live Birth means 'born in Kenya'.
In the rest of the world,'born in Honolulu' means 'born in Honolulu'.
Go figure.
<quoted text>
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#160735 Jun 22, 2013
John Fugelsang lists George W. Bush’s good deeds — eventually
http://tinyurl.com/myjmpep / April 25, 2013
So today was the opening of the George W. Bush Presidential Library, and it kind of got me nostalgic for the days back when we had a president who thought Rwanda was J.J.’s sister on “Good Times.” Presidents Carter, Bush 41, Clinton and Obama all praised the presidency of George W. Bush. So for once they were all bigger liars than he was.
Laura Bush, of course, spoke movingly of how kind her husband is to all the veterans who [were] wounded in Iraq. Because of her husband. I love Laura Bush, by the way — only in America would a librarian marry an illiterate.
But the thing here to remember is George W. Bush kept us safe — from Bill Clinton’s surplus.

By now our conservative friends watching this are upset, saying,“Yeah, there you go, still blaming Bush.” And you know what, yeah, I still blame Bush for stuff Bush did. I still blame George Lucas for Jar Jar Binks too.
And for the record, nobody’s actually blaming Bush. They’re blaming Bush policies.“Blaming Bush” implies he was actually in charge.

But in fairness, a lot of the financial troubles can be blamed on the Clinton years and the repeal of Glass-Steagall and NAFTA [North American Free Trade Agreement]— I can finally criticize NAFTA around here.

So tonight I want to mention some of the positive things George W. Bush did. Because when you put aside having two wars off the books while cutting taxes for rich people, then leaving a mess behind in the world’s greatest financial dine-n-dash; ignoring warnings on bin Laden; reading “My Pet Goat” while his country was under attack because Cheney had things under control; never once balancing a budget …
http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/videos/joh...
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#160736 Jun 22, 2013
John Fugelsang lists George W. Bush’s good deeds — eventually
http://tinyurl.com/myjmpep / April 25, 2013

When you can look beyond the little things, like opposing stem cell research; pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol; authorizing torture; calling torture “enhanced interrogation”; having the fewest press conferences of any president in history, but the most vacations (over three years of his eight-year term, on vacation)…

When you get over your petty liberal grievances about withdrawing America from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty; cocking up the Katrina disaster; “Heckuva job, Brownie”; cutting veterans’ health care by billions; cutting Pell Grant loans for students; shock and awe; making polluting corporations in charge of their own cleanup with no penalties if they didn’t; “free speech zones”; opposing expanded health care for National Guard families; wearing the flight suit …
If you can rise above your childish hang-ups over the Pat Tillman death cover-up; troops sent into battle with inadequate body armor; letting Baghdad be looted but having U.S. troops protect the oil ministry; warrantless wiretaps; only testifying before the 9/11 Commission if he could do it with Cheney sitting beside him and still refusing to testify under oath; trading Sammy Sosa; Cheney; Rove; Rummy; Wolfowitz; Yoo; billions of dollars to Halliburton through no-bid crony contracts — that ain’t capitalism; not allowing fallen soldiers’ coffins to be photographed because it was bad PR …

Never attending a fallen soldier’s funeral; believing Iran and Iraq were part of an “axis” when they really hated each other; lying about mushroom clouds; stealing the election from you-know-who; acting like he had a mandate when he lost the popular vote (a real man would’ve said,“Count all the votes,” by the way); the deliberate outing of a CIA operative as political retribution for her husband telling the truth about Bush’s yellowcake uranium …

God, if Billy Joel were here he’d make this rhyme …
If we as a nation could get over Medicare Part D; encouraging attacks on our own soldiers by saying,“Bring it on;” over 4,400 dead soldiers; [up to] 100,000 dead Iraqis; announcing he didn’t care about finding bin Laden while families were still grieving; inventing pre-emptive war — it’s very Christian:“Forgive us our trespasses while we trespass against those we think will one day trespass against us”; giving our economy away to the banks; bailing out the banks who ripped us off; calling prisoners of war “enemy combatants” so we wouldn’t have to observe the Geneva Convention; losing 800,000 jobs per month by the time he left office; squandering worldwide goodwill; squandering a surplus; squandering lives; and not being able to pronounce “nuclear”…
He was actually a pretty good guy. He tripled AIDS funding to Africa; raised the debt ceiling seven times — that was freedom debt —[was] right in saying regular baseball season interleague play diminished the power of the World Series; prosecuted the 20th 9/11 hijacker in criminal court …

But most importantly, Bush’s greatest achievement for which I will always personally thank him: he didn’t die in office.

So thank you, President Bush. And thanks to all your tax cuts for creating all those jobs. In Asia.
http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/videos/joh...

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#160737 Jun 22, 2013
Shock: Immigration Bill Waives Felony Document & Social Security Number Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

DHS Insider Warns:“It’s Already Begun. You’re Seeing It Now.”
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/dhs-ins...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160738 Jun 22, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
No evidence of Noah's worldwide flood at either site.
No evidence of a flood that wiped out all the land animals.
No evidence of extreme bottlenecks in all land animal species dating to a putative biblical flood.
mayube you ought to go back to your young Earth web site where make believe is accepted.
<quoted text>
I thought I was clear. I'm not trying to prove Noah's Flood one way or the other. Only that a "great" flood could have occurred and that there is evidence to support it. I can't help it if you can't read an article and understand what it is saying (seems to be common among gumflappers). Could have been an interesting discussion. Oh well. I won't try again. You're too literal and far too closed-minded.

Oh, and the BC thing. What I was after - the fact that Obumbler, once again, didn't/couldn't produce the correct document. It was lost! Sure it was! Add that to the list of excuses. BTW, I've had mine for about 40 years, not once did I "lose" it. What a load.

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