BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160626 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Ellen, that's not quite the procedure. The clerk does not do the data entry. Hawaii hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry, contracted a database, and set up their system. The clerk merely needs to identify the correct database file and print. No need to look at the image of the original paper record.
Then it was the clerk who entered the birth certificate into the database. For that to have happened there had to be a birth certificate, and it had to say on it that Obama was born in HONOLULU because that is what the COLB says.

However, I'm not at all sure about the "hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry" that you say occurred. Have you got a link to show for that? It is possible, of course, but it is expensive, and barring a good reason to digitize other than by entering the images of the BCs, many states would not spend the money. All that they would do is enter the images of the BCs, index them by name and date, and let the clerk check the place of birth (Oahu or an other island) and enter it. Otherwise they would have to enter the town and island for every file even those who do not ask for copies.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160627 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pretty clear on it. There is no original.
And Lil Romper us going to hold his breath until he sees a copy of a document he claims doesn't exist. Not too bright that Romper
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160628 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Then by your own words he does not have a birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth, which can be mailed in from somewhere other than Hawaii!
OReaLY moron? Hawaii issues a COLB - do they use a shared service center in Mussissippi to issue it? And of course there's the long form that they made a special copy if for him .... But those are just legal documents and absolute proof of place of birth. They have no value in a court of play law

Poor Lil Puss Boi. So many words, do little comprehension
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160629 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.
Rational readers will notice that the above is not a discussion of the facts. It simply claims that I do not know. Well, the fact is still a FACT that Hawaii does not photocopy the originals and send those photocopies to people who ask for their birth certificate. It has been issuing COLBs to everyone, new births plus those who ask for copies of their birth certificate, since that became the law in 2001. And many states do exactly the same thing.

Mitt Romney's birth certificate (which Michigan calls a Certificate of Live Birth) was also a computer-generated short-form birth certificate issued recently, not the one sent to his parents and not a photocopy of the original in the files.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160630 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Idiot. Do you think they keep "old" copies lying around? Dense.
You're the one whining because the new copy was only made six years ago.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160631 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Then by your own words he does not have a birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth, which can be mailed in from somewhere other than Hawaii!
Answer: It is nutty to believe that a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth (the short form) and a Certificate of Live Birth (the long form) are not both birth certificates. Both are simply fancy names for birth certificates. The birth certificate that Mitt Romney showed was called a Certificate of Live Birth. It was, however, only a short-form birth certificate. So Michigan calls its short-form birth certificates Certificates and Hawaii calls its short-form birth certificates Certifications. The fact is that both of them are the official birth certificates of those states.

No, neither the certification of live birth nor the certificate of live birth can be mailed from anywhere but Hawaii. Only Hawaii can send out those birth certificates, and it does not send out birth certificates that lie about the place of birth, and both the short-form and the long-form say that Obama was born in Honolulu. And the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that that fact appears on Obama's birth certificate and, in fact, that ALL the facts on the birth certificate that the White House has published are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160632 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And Lil Romper us going to hold his breath until he sees a copy of a document he claims doesn't exist. Not too bright that Romper
What wasn't very bright was putting a PDF file on the net as his BC, thinking no one will notice! Can you say STUPID? Are you getting a clue yet as to how dumb this admin is? And the lil butt-sore loser runs off like a scalded azz ape! It's said he could be heard yelling.....but wait, I'll buy you a drink! LMAO!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160633 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
OReaLY moron? Hawaii issues a COLB - do they use a shared service center in Mussissippi to issue it? And of course there's the long form that they made a special copy if for him .... But those are just legal documents and absolute proof of place of birth. They have no value in a court of play law
Poor Lil Puss Boi. So many words, do little comprehension
You're right about one thing; it was a special copy alright!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160634 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Rational readers will notice that the above is not a discussion of the facts. It simply claims that I do not know. Well, the fact is still a FACT that Hawaii does not photocopy the originals and send those photocopies to people who ask for their birth certificate. It has been issuing COLBs to everyone, new births plus those who ask for copies of their birth certificate, since that became the law in 2001. And many states do exactly the same thing.
Mitt Romney's birth certificate (which Michigan calls a Certificate of Live Birth) was also a computer-generated short-form birth certificate issued recently, not the one sent to his parents and not a photocopy of the original in the files.
You did notice Topix removing your spam yesterday, right? LMAO!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160635 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the one whining because the new copy was only made six years ago.
You really can't learn shyt, can you?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160636 Jun 21, 2013
Why did Obumbler post a "certification" of live birth instead of a Certificate of Live Birth? Only a Certificate of Live Birth is accepted as an original birth certificate. Not a "certification" of live birth. Hawaii no longer issues a "Certificate of Live Birth", only a "certification" of live birth. So, if Obumbler was born in Hawaii in 1961 he should have a "Certificate" of Live Birth. But he doesn't. Why? Did the original get lost? Or perhaps, he was adopted and issued an amended birth certificate?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160637 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
What wasn't very bright was putting a PDF file on the net as his BC, thinking no one will notice! Can you say STUPID? Are you getting a clue yet as to how dumb this admin is? And the lil butt-sore loser runs off like a scalded azz ape! It's said he could be heard yelling.....but wait, I'll buy you a drink! LMAO!
Answer: I agree that using PDF was stupid. But stupidity is normal in government and is not illegal.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160638 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right about one thing; it was a special copy alright!
Answer: The long-form birth certificate was a special copy. But the short-form birth certificate was a normal copy, the same kind of copy that Hawaii issues to everyone, and it was sent to Obama way back in June 2007, when Obama was simply a junior senator from Illinois.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160639 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Why did Obumbler post a "certification" of live birth instead of a Certificate of Live Birth? Only a Certificate of Live Birth is accepted as an original birth certificate. Not a "certification" of live birth. Hawaii no longer issues a "Certificate of Live Birth", only a "certification" of live birth. So, if Obumbler was born in Hawaii in 1961 he should have a "Certificate" of Live Birth. But he doesn't. Why? Did the original get lost? Or perhaps, he was adopted and issued an amended birth certificate?
Yes, duh, Obama's family lost the original that was sent to them back in 1961---like millions upon millions of people lose the birth certificate that was sent to their families. So Obama, like millions of others, had to get a copy. And when he did so in 2007, Hawaii sent him the short-form birth certificate, the CertifiCATION of live birth, which is the current official birth certificate of Hawaii. His campaign posted it because that is what Hawaii sent.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160641 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, duh, Obama's family lost the original that was sent to them back in 1961---like millions upon millions of people lose the birth certificate that was sent to their families. So Obama, like millions of others, had to get a copy. And when he did so in 2007, Hawaii sent him the short-form birth certificate, the CertifiCATION of live birth, which is the current official birth certificate of Hawaii. His campaign posted it because that is what Hawaii sent.
So, no original birth certificate was ever posted. Lost huh? Man, the list of excuses is getting very, very long! I think he was issued an amended BC and never had an original.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160642 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>What wasn't very bright was putting a PDF file on the net as his BC, thinking no one will notice! Can you say STUPID? Are you getting a clue yet as to how dumb this admin is? And the lil butt-sore loser runs off like a scalded azz ape! It's said he could be heard yelling.....but wait, I'll buy you a drink! LMAO!
Still stuck on stupid huh romper? Yes. You ran and hid for a week. We all noticed a drop off in our laughter
Learn to Read

Columbus, IN

#160643 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>You really can't learn shyt, can you?
Poor puss boi. Gonna rant some more pathetic empty threats for us?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160644 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
So, no original birth certificate was ever posted. Lost huh? Man, the list of excuses is getting very, very long! I think he was issued an amended BC and never had an original.
Answer: Who cares what you think.

Yes, people do lose their original birth certificates, and in fact the birth certificate that Mitt Romney posted, a short-form birth certificate, was a recent official copy and not a copy of what was sent to his family.

In both cases, Romney and Obama, the original is in the files and cannot be sent to anyone. Both men were sent official COPIES, and that is what they posted. Obama first posted his birth certificate way back in June 2008, long before the election of that year. He posted the long form copy in 2011. The officials in Hawaii of both parties have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the copies to Obama and that the facts on the long-form published by the White House are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160645 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor puss boi. Gonna rant some more pathetic empty threats for us?
Another typical troll post from Mr. Kurly Q. Kerplunk! Watch it folks, he is dilated!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160646 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer: Who cares what you think.
Yes, people do lose their original birth certificates, and in fact the birth certificate that Mitt Romney posted, a short-form birth certificate, was a recent official copy and not a copy of what was sent to his family.
In both cases, Romney and Obama, the original is in the files and cannot be sent to anyone. Both men were sent official COPIES, and that is what they posted. Obama first posted his birth certificate way back in June 2008, long before the election of that year. He posted the long form copy in 2011. The officials in Hawaii of both parties have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the copies to Obama and that the facts on the long-form published by the White House are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.
Psst, if the original is on file he would have received a copy of his CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. Certificate not certification! Please explain. Love your comeback though; "who cares what you think". LMAO

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