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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160697 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Huh? RU taking your meds?

The original vital record is the record kept at DOH. Whether the document issued to an applicant says 'Certification' or 'Certificate' is of no moment. Either way, if the document says Born in Honolulu, it means Born in Honolulu. Only an idiot could believe a document that says born in Honolulu means Kenya because it's called a 'certification'.

Numskull.

And if it said Born in Kenya would that mean Honolulu? Idiot.
wojar wrote:
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160698 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Huh? Everyone was sent, for most of the past decade, a "Certification" until recently. Now the exact same document is called a "Certificate."

You're on drugs.
wojar wrote:
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160699 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Yeah, the latter is expensive and that just exactly what the State of Hawaii did. No, they did not simply make digital images, they transcribed all the data into a database.
No a clerk does not have to do anything but push a button once the correct record is located. This was described years ago.
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Thanks for the correction.

However,I am still left with the impression that a human must have been involved in the digitizing process. Judging by the skipping and faint typewriting on the original, it is highly unlikely that this could have been done by character-recognition software. Most likely a human entered the data, and that human must have looked at the document in order to enter the data. So a human most likely saw that the original (or the digital image of it) said HONOLULU.

And that is additional confirmation (if any additional confirmation really were needed) that there was indeed an original Hawaii birth certificate and that it showed HONOLULU as the place of birth.

Would this be correct? Or was it entirely automatic (the latter is very hard to believe).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160700 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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My point is that a catastrophic flood possibly did happen and that there is evidence to support it. So, what is your effing point? You're the one that said it isn't possible. That's BS. What's your effing point? pinhead
Hey, Hurricane Floyd caused catastrophic flooding.

And there is evidence to support it. Lots of evidence.

MORON.

But Noah wasn't involved; hee hee.

Wowee Zowee there were floods throughout history? So fecking what?

What's your fecking point?

What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?

Eh?
wojar wrote:
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Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?
There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.
So what? What is your effing point?
There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?
What is your effing point?
The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?
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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160701 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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And the Obumbler apologist adds to the list of excuses. Comical at best! I hope you're purposely putting on an act. No one buys all the excuses. Ludicrous.
(1) Both Obama and Mitt Romney or their families lost the birth certificate that was sent to them, so both of them had to ask for copies. Big deal. Millions of people do that.

(2) Obama has a SS number from Connecticut generated by a data entry error---just like the millions upon millions of errors in other SS files.

(3) Obama really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows, and the officials of BOTH parties confirms. Obama's birth certificate is not forged. Only birthers have claimed that it is, and they keep on repeating their nutty claims. The claims are nutty because the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that the facts on the published copy of Obama's long form birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on the birth certificate that they sent to him.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160702 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Thanks for the correction.
However,I am still left with the impression that a human must have been involved in the digitizing process. Judging by the skipping and faint typewriting on the original, it is highly unlikely that this could have been done by character-recognition software. Most likely a human entered the data, and that human must have looked at the document in order to enter the data. So a human most likely saw that the original (or the digital image of it) said HONOLULU.
And that is additional confirmation (if any additional confirmation really were needed) that there was indeed an original Hawaii birth certificate and that it showed HONOLULU as the place of birth.
Would this be correct? Or was it entirely automatic (the latter is very hard to believe).
Indeed, human clerks transcribed the records. But since both the certification (2007) and the the copy of the original vital record (2011) are public, and they agree, there is no issue, except in the birfoon mind.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, the latter is expensive and that just exactly what the State of Hawaii did. No, they did not simply make digital images, they transcribed all the data into a database.
No a clerk does not have to do anything but push a button once the correct record is located. This was described years ago.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160703 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
No, duh, he was sent a certification as he SHOULD HAVE. He was sent a certification because in 2001 Hawaii's law changed and from that moment on it sent everyone---meaning both infants who were just born and people wanting copies of their birth certificates---short form birth certificates called Certifications.

And, even though these were not photocopies of the originals, Hawaii law says that the short form birth certificates are legal birth certificates. That is what Hawaii sends everyone who asks for "a copy of my birth certificate."

You are correct, the original is unchanged and, in fact, it has a lot more facts on it than the short-form birth certificate, but legally that does not matter. The short-form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is used by thousands of people to get their passports every year.

Obama's original continues to exist in the files, and it was this document that was photocopied onto security paper to make the official copy of the long-form birth certificate, known as the CERTIFICATE, which was sent to Obama in 2011. So now Obama has both the Certification and the Certificate. And the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts on the images of them that Obama has shown are exactly the same as on what they sent him.

“Politically Incorrect”

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#160704 Jun 21, 2013
kenyan
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160705 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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No! Creating a fake PDF was stupid. Geez, grab original, place on copier, copy, mail. TaDa!!!!!
NO, it is not fake. It is a scanned image of the official long form birth certificate that was put into PDF, and in fact the officials in Hawaii have confirmed that the facts on the image that the White House has put online are EXACTLY the same as on the one that they sent to him.

Re "place on copier." No they used a scanner not a copier, and the reason was, duh, they wanted to put it online so millions of people could see it. They should have used jpg, but they used pdf. Big deal. Mitt Romney showed only a Web image of a photocopy of his birth certificate, not even a direct image of his birth certificate---and, unlike Obama's BC, the officials in Michigan did not say that they had sent a BC to Romney or that the facts on the image that he showed were exactly the same as on the one that they sent him.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160706 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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No, duh, he was sent a certification as he SHOULD HAVE. He was sent a certification because in 2001 Hawaii's law changed and from that moment on it sent everyone---meaning both infants who were just born and people wanting copies of their birth certificates---short form birth certificates called Certifications.
And, even though these were not photocopies of the originals, Hawaii law says that the short form birth certificates are legal birth certificates. That is what Hawaii sends everyone who asks for "a copy of my birth certificate."
You are correct, the original is unchanged and, in fact, it has a lot more facts on it than the short-form birth certificate, but legally that does not matter. The short-form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is used by thousands of people to get their passports every year.
Obama's original continues to exist in the files, and it was this document that was photocopied onto security paper to make the official copy of the long-form birth certificate, known as the CERTIFICATE, which was sent to Obama in 2011. So now Obama has both the Certification and the Certificate. And the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts on the images of them that Obama has shown are exactly the same as on what they sent him.
Yeah, but Obama doesn't seem to have the informal hospital document with his footie print. According to play law, no footie print means no President. I'm not eligible; the hospital in Connecticut did not include footie prints. I'm so so heartbroken.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160707 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
NO, it is not fake. It is a scanned image of the official long form birth certificate that was put into PDF, and in fact the officials in Hawaii have confirmed that the facts on the image that the White House has put online are EXACTLY the same as on the one that they sent to him.
Re "place on copier." No they used a scanner not a copier, and the reason was, duh, they wanted to put it online so millions of people could see it. They should have used jpg, but they used pdf. Big deal. Mitt Romney showed only a Web image of a photocopy of his birth certificate, not even a direct image of his birth certificate---and, unlike Obama's BC, the officials in Michigan did not say that they had sent a BC to Romney or that the facts on the image that he showed were exactly the same as on the one that they sent him.
When I was a corporate analyst I asked my employer for documents to submit to IRS. They gave me pdf files. Nobody said they should have used jpg files. But they had common sense, unlike birfoons.

When the US agencies submit documents to Federal courts, they submit certified pdf documents - NOT jpg files. It's the certification that counts. Birfoons don't get it. The full faith and credit clause in the CONSTITUTION is what counts. However, birfoons selectively interpret the Constitution.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160709 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Huh? Both the Certification of Live Birth (now called a Certificate of Live Birth) and the Certificate as previously issued originate from DOH. Either way, they are legitimate birth certificates issued by DOH.
Sorry, loser, you (an individual) cannot mail in a certificate of live birth to DOH. You got it arse backwards. DOH issues the document. BTW, loser it was a hospital birth. Got a clue? Delivering physician David A Sinclair, M. D. signed the document which was forwarded to DOH via the friggin' HOSPITAL.
Duh!
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Do you even understand the point? I don't think so. Really. Let's see. In this case what is the difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of a live birth?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160710 Jun 21, 2013
AlaskaGirl wrote:
kenyan
Alaskan Girlyman -- demented.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160711 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you even understand the point? I don't think so. Really. Let's see. In this case what is the difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of a live birth?
In Birfoonistan "born in the USA" in a Certification of Live Birth means 'born in Kenya'.

In the rest of the world,'born in Honolulu' means 'born in Honolulu'.

Go figure.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Both the Certification of Live Birth (now called a Certificate of Live Birth) and the Certificate as previously issued originate from DOH. Either way, they are legitimate birth certificates issued by DOH.
Sorry, loser, you (an individual) cannot mail in a certificate of live birth to DOH. You got it arse backwards. DOH issues the document. BTW, loser it was a hospital birth. Got a clue? Delivering physician David A Sinclair, M. D. signed the document which was forwarded to DOH via the friggin' HOSPITAL.
Duh!
<quoted text>
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160712 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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In Birfoonistan "born in the USA" in a Certification of Live Birth means 'born in Kenya'.
In the rest of the world,'born in Honolulu' means 'born in Honolulu'.
Go figure.
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I knew you didn't get it. Dipshyt! You had to be the slowest kid at every school you attended. Always bringing up the rear, huh? When you figure out the difference between the two, post it and I'll make sure to LMAO!!! Jingle time: WHAT-A-DUMBASSBASTARD! LMAO

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160713 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Original vital record, moron. You got a certification in 2007 if you requested a certified copy. Duh! Didn't matter if you were Joe
Schmo or Presidential Candidate. Today you get the exact same document but it says 'Certificate' rather than 'Certification'.

MORON.
wojar wrote:
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.
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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160715 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Indeed, human clerks transcribed the records. But since both the certification (2007) and the the copy of the original vital record (2011) are public, and they agree, there is no issue, except in the birfoon mind.
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Thanks. I agree that many birthers are illogical. I post on the assumption that there may be a rational person who reads this stuff and could be swayed either by the birthers (unlikely, but if she or he does not have the facts then possible) or by the FACTS. That is why I cite the facts.

And the fact that a human saw the original in the files and entered HONOLULU is an additional fact. This unknown person is an additional confirmation to the birth certificate and the confirmations by the officials and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160716 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew you didn't get it. Dipshyt! You had to be the slowest kid at every school you attended. Always bringing up the rear, huh? When you figure out the difference between the two, post it and I'll make sure to LMAO!!! Jingle time: WHAT-A-DUMBASSBASTARD! LMAO
Yeah, right, POB Honolulu really means Kenya.

Jagoff.
wojar wrote:
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In Birfoonistan "born in the USA" in a Certification of Live Birth means 'born in Kenya'.
In the rest of the world,'born in Honolulu' means 'born in Honolulu'.
Go figure.
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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160717 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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When I was a corporate analyst I asked my employer for documents to submit to IRS. They gave me pdf files. Nobody said they should have used jpg files. But they had common sense, unlike birfoons.
When the US agencies submit documents to Federal courts, they submit certified pdf documents - NOT jpg files. It's the certification that counts. Birfoons don't get it. The full faith and credit clause in the CONSTITUTION is what counts. However, birfoons selectively interpret the Constitution.
EXCELLENT point. I was thinking that jpg would have been better because it shows the image more clearly and does not make mistakes (like TXE for THE) and does not have layers like pdf. But you are quite right, PDF is perfectly fine and everyone uses it.

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