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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#160604 Jun 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you notice, in YOUR graph, that just as soon as Obama entered the White House there is another flag that claims things are improving? How about this graph?
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
WE have TEN MILLION fewer employed Americans since the start of the Great Recession, and Seven MILLION few since Obama entered the White House, and to fix that we will need 500,000 new jobs per month for TEN years to fix that (because of population growth).
Hmmmm. Jobs were plummeting, precipitously, and then Obama came in and staunched the hemorrhaging. Rouge thinks the after effects of this near death experience is evidence that we should have just let the patient die under the Repubs.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, your claim of job losses flies in the face of steady job gains.
http://tinyurl.com/7oubyt8
And the job gains are eve better today than when this data was published.
You're not doing to well when it comes to facts.
BTW, have you found Noah's ark yet?
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160606 Jun 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, obviously you have no idea how it works in DC because if you did, the president can declassify anything!!! And you have ZERO evidence that Cheney did either.
If Obama could have prosecuted them, he would have.
Oh, to avoid being prosecuted Bill Clinton did sign a Consent DEcree!
Oh, and Vote Vets, is NOT a veterans organization. Only 5% of their members have ever been in the military. All Vote Vets is is a front group for .... Progressives!
VoteVets fight very hard to benefit our troops.

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G I Bill 2008
http://www.gibill2008.org/

SENATE “D LIST”
4 Republican Senators against funding our troops & GI Bill in 2008
Below you will find a complete list of Senators
who earned a D or lower from IAVA Action
this year. These legislators must improve their voting records if they are to legitimately claim that they support our troops and veterans.
Tom Coburn OK
Michael Enzi WY
John McCain AZ
Jim DeMint SC
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America
http://www.iava.org/
http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.p...

2008 Congressional Report Card
Find out who in Washington really supports our troops and veterans.
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America
http://www.iava.org/
http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.p...

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Mr. Bush and the G.I. Bill
May 26, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/69thm5
President Bush opposes a new G.I. Bill of Rights. He worries that if the traditional path to college for service members since World War II is improved and expanded for the post-9/11 generation, too many people will take it.
He is wrong, but at least he is consistent. Having saddled the military with a botched, un-winnable war, having squandered soldiers’ lives and failed them in so many ways, the commander in chief now resists giving the troops a chance at better futures out of uniform. He does this on the ground that the bill is too generous and may discourage re-enlistment, further weakening the military he has done so much to break.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/26/opinion/26m...
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160607 Jun 21, 2013
Poor Birfoons. Another Oily appeal dismissed ....

http://ia601700.us.archive.org/12/items/gov.u...

The failures just build one after the other
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160608 Jun 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
1) What lies did Bush and Cheney tell about WMD in Iraq? To lie one must know what they are saying is untrue and you can not prove that.
2} Name for me the generals, admirals and CIA people who came out publicly?
3) Ford pardoned Nixon to simply put the issue behind us. If Bill Clinton had also resigned like Nixon had, I too would think it would be proper to pardon him.
4) "the prostitutes in Congress" where all DEMOCRATS and they gave North immunity because they thought he was going to finger Reagan and they got greedy!
Now, tell us what a Neo Con is, if you can???
1. I have said it
already.

2. I have told you already.

3. Not true. The Elites always pardon their friends.

4. Wrong, Both parties like to embarrass the other side with phony baloney hearings.

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What I Knew Before the Invasion
http://tinyurl.com/dtpyy November 20, 2005
By Senator Bob Graham
I, too, presumed the president was being truthful -- until a series of events undercut that confidence.

In February 2002, after a briefing on the status of the war in Afghanistan, the commanding officer, Gen. Tommy Franks, told me the war was being compromised as specialized personnel and equipment were being shifted from Afghanistan to prepare for the war in Iraq -- a war more than a year away. Even at this early date, the White House was signaling that the threat posed by Saddam Hussein was of such urgency that it had priority over the crushing of al Qaeda.

In the early fall of 2002, a joint House-Senate intelligence inquiry committee, which I co-chaired, was in the final stages of its investigation of what happened before Sept. 11. As the unclassified final report of the inquiry documented, several failures of intelligence contributed to the tragedy. But as of October 2002, 13 months later, the administration was resisting initiating any substantial action to understand, much less fix, those problems.

At a meeting of the Senate intelligence committee on Sept. 5, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet was asked what the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) provided as the rationale for a preemptive war in Iraq. An NIE is the product of the entire intelligence community, and its most comprehensive assessment. I was stunned when Tenet said that no NIE had been requested by the White House and none had been prepared. Invoking our rarely used senatorial authority, I directed the completion of an NIE.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

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The Iran-Contra Affair 20 Years On
Documents Spotlight Role of Reagan, Top Aides
Pentagon Nominee Robert Gates Among Many
Prominent Figures Involved in the Scandal
http://tinyurl.com/y9rduo
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210...

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Iran-Contra Felons Get Good Jobs from Bush
http://tinyurl.com/ebx8
http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/Central...
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160609 Jun 21, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>JESUS CHRIST is Lord of all forever.
Kenyan-born illegal-alien bisexual son-of-a-pornstar Obama is the Antichrist.
100% Italian & Jesuit Pope Francis is the False Prophet.
Same-sex Marriage is the abomination of desolation.
Next comes World War Three, Rapture & Tribulation.
George W. Bush's January 20, 2001 inauguration was unconstitutional. This isn't because Bush lost the popular vote. Nor is it because he lost Florida and thus the electoral vote. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision to hear the Florida recount lawsuit, Bush v. Gore, violated the U.S. Constitution. It's a states' rights issue. Elections fall under state law; the highest court that may resolve a legal challenge about an election is a state supreme court. The U.S. Supreme Court--a federal body--didn't have jurisdiction in the case.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160610 Jun 21, 2013
Charlie Rose - Sir Jeremy Greenstock:'Tony Blair knew Iraq had no nuclear capability'
http://tinyurl.com/6bc7vn


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Blair under new pressure over Iraq war: did he ignore advice of officials that it was unlawful?/ http://tinyurl.com/bfawl9
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics...

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EXCLUSIVE: International War Whistleblowers Tell Why They Exposed Their Governments / http://tinyurl.com/5hkw6z / September 09, 2004
In a Democracy Now! U.S. exclusive, two former intelligence officials from Britain and Denmark discuss why they blew the whistle on their governments in relation to the war in Iraq. Katharine Gun is a former British employee who leaked details of a secret U.S. spy operation on UN Security Council members in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. Major Frank Grevil is a former military intelligence officer from Denmark who was fired for leaking classified reports that showed no weapons of mass destruction would be found in Iraq. He currently faces charges for breaching the country’s official information law
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/9/9/exclusiv...

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Translator turns 'whistle-blower'
The daughter of a university lecturer, Katharine Gun was thrust into the limelight after being accused of leaking top secret information.
http://tinyurl.com/4d9sno / 26 February, 2004
The 29-year-old from the Regency Cotswold town of Cheltenham was a little-known translator working at the government's communications headquarters GCHQ.
But in March last year she was arrested, accused of breaching the Official Secrets Act by leaking an e-mail to the Observer newspaper from US spies asking British counterparts to tap the telephones of UN Security Council members.
In June 2003 she was sacked from her post.
She always admitted leaking the e-mail but argued she had "only ever followed her conscience" to prevent an "illegal war against Iraq".
The revelations contained in the leaked memo made her a cause celebre in the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3507533.stm

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The spy who wouldn't keep a secret
In the year since she leaked an explosive email about spying on UN diplomats, GCHQ translator Katharine Gun has been arrested, charged with breaking the Official Secrets Act and transformed into an international cause celebre. As the case against her was dropped yesterday, Oliver Burkeman and Richard Norton-Taylor met an unlikely rebel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/feb/2...

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The Secret Downing Street Memo
http://downingstreetmemo.com/docs/memotext.pd...
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160611 Jun 21, 2013
Diplomat's Suppressed Document Lays Bare the Lies behind Iraq War
December 15, 2006 http://tinyurl.com/ye8w94
The Government's case for going to war in Iraq has been torn apart by the publication of previously suppressed evidence that Tony Blair lied over Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.
A devastating attack on Mr. Blair's justification for military action by Carne Ross, Britain's key negotiator at the UN, has been kept under wraps until now because he was threatened with being charged with breaching the Official Secrets Act.

In the testimony revealed today Mr. Ross, 40, who helped negotiate several UN security resolutions on Iraq, makes it clear that Mr. Blair must have known Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons of mass destruction. He said that during his posting to the UN, "at no time did HMG [Her Majesty's Government] assess that Iraq's WMD (or any other capability) posed a threat to the UK or its interests."

Mr. Ross revealed it was a commonly held view among British officials dealing with Iraq that any threat by Saddam Hussein had been "effectively contained".
He also reveals that British officials warned US diplomats that bringing down the Iraqi dictator would lead to the chaos the world has since witnessed. "I remember on several occasions the UK team stating this view in terms during our discussions with the US (who agreed)," he said.

It shows Mr. Ross told the inquiry, chaired by Lord Butler, "there was no intelligence evidence of significant holdings of CW [chemical warfare], BW [biological warfare] or nuclear material" held by the Iraqi dictator before the invasion. "There was, moreover, no intelligence or assessment during my time in the job that Iraq had any intention to launch an attack against its neighbors or the UK or the US," he added.

Mr. Ross's evidence directly challenges the assertions by the Prime Minster that the war was legally justified because Saddam possessed WMDs which could be "activated" within 45 minutes and posed a threat to British interests. These claims were also made in two dossiers, subsequently discredited, in spite of the advice by Mr. Ross.

Mr. Ross said in late 2002 that he "discussed this at some length with David Kelly", the weapons expert who a year later committed suicide when he was named as the source of a BBC report saying Downing Street had "sexed up" the WMD claims in a dossier. The Butler inquiry cleared Mr. Blair and Downing Street of "sexing up" the dossier, but the publication of the Carne Ross evidence will cast fresh doubts on its findings.

Mr Ross, 40, was a highly rated diplomat but he resigned because of his misgivings about the legality of the war. He still fears the threat of action under the Official Secrets Act.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1215-...

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The Secret Downing Street Memo
http://downingstreetmemo.com/docs/memotext.pd...
Globalism's Discontents
wojar

Bristol, CT

#160612 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer: in 2001 Hawaii adopted the COLB as its official birth certificate, and the procedure for anyone who wants a copy of her or his birth certificate is that they get a COLB.
The COLB procedure is for the clerk to look into the file, read the facts on the document, enter them onto the computer form, and the computer spits out the COLB. It is more efficient to do this than to make photocopies of the paper documents in the file (and it reduces wear on tear on the paper documents as well).
Ellen, that's not quite the procedure. The clerk does not do the data entry. Hawaii hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry, contracted a database, and set up their system. The clerk merely needs to identify the correct database file and print. No need to look at the image of the original paper record.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#160613 Jun 21, 2013
correction: constructed a database
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160615 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And Romper again fails basic English comprehension. "We keep the original on file" requires that ANYONE requesting their BC be issued a new copy.
Duh
You're an idiot! A copy of his original BC is what we're waiting on. Do you think they're going to send you an old "copy"? The only one with a comprehension problem is you. Farnsworth, you might be able to figure it out if you look at Pop's post again. Then again, maybe not! Watch it everyone, Mr. Kerplunk is dilated! Still acting like a butt-sore loser cause I made you cry, huh? Don't worry, be happy! LMAO! Would you be interested in some beautiful river front property on the mighty Red River????? LMAO! DS
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160616 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "(and it reduces wear on tear on the paper documents as well)"
That should read: "wear and tear."
You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160617 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The State of Hawaii provided Senator Obama with a Certification of Live Birth in 2007 because, just like anyone else born in Hawaii, and for whom an original vital record is kept on file by the Department of Health, he was entitled to it, if he paid the correct fee.
Indeed, if they didn't have an original vital record on file wherein the facts of his birth were recorded, he would have been out of luck, just like anyone else.
Does that help clear up your confusion?
<quoted text>
I'm pretty clear on it. There is no original.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160618 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting your claim of steady job losses under Obama is a pipe dream.
Oh my oh my! The Black Sea once presumably had a flood and some of the people living there probably died. Connecticut once had a big flood in 1955, and there were people living there too, and some of them died! Golly gee!
But neither was a worldwide flood that immersed the entire earth and covered mountains killing all humans and land animals, save for those on Noah's supercalifragilistic ark.
<quoted text>
Here, I'll put it in terms you can understand. I don't buy those numbers for one second. Obumbler has been propped up and protected from day one. Guess they figured he couldn't handle the truth!

Why are marine fossils found in strata high up in the mountains? It may not have covered the entire globe, you haven't heard me make that statement. However, at the time, even you have to admit the human population was much, much smaller than it is now or in the 50's, no? This flood would have occurred right in the middle of the "hub" of human life. Geological evidence supports this flood theory. And surely a flood could be the cause of a bottleneck, no? The Black Sea was once much smaller and contained freshwater, you knew that right?
Learn to Read

Columbus, IN

#160619 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>You're an idiot! A copy of his original BC is what we're waiting on. Do you think they're going to send you an old "copy"? The only one with a comprehension problem is you. Farnsworth, you might be able to figure it out if you look at Pop's post again. Then again, maybe not! Watch it everyone, Mr. Kerplunk is dilated! Still acting like a butt-sore loser cause I made you cry, huh? Don't worry, be happy! LMAO! Would you be interested in some beautiful river front property on the mighty Red River????? LMAO! DS
A copy of the original BC us what you've seen. Of course the Lil puss got his panties in a wad because the State of Hawaii certified "this is an exact copy" but since the certification was in English, your concussion is not surprising
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160620 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Excerpted from an article in GSA Today.
“Geologists assess theories by how well they fit data, and creationists evaluate facts by how well they fit their theories. This simple distinction frames an unbridgeable intellectual rift. Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge.”
http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/22...
The simple fact is if the world were as primitive today as it was 5000 years ago, people on what is now the Eastern Seaboard may well have thought Hurricane Floyd caused a worldwide flood. So what?
Yes, just as people in the "cradle of life" would have thought! Global. I've never said it was global.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160621 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think August 4, 1961 was six years ago then I cannot help you. You need a psychiatrist.
<quoted text>
Would you like a little more time to look at that?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160622 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And Romper again fails basic English comprehension. "We keep the original on file" requires that ANYONE requesting their BC be issued a new copy.
Duh
Idiot. Do you think they keep "old" copies lying around? Dense.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160623 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
A copy of the original BC us what you've seen. Of course the Lil puss got his panties in a wad because the State of Hawaii certified "this is an exact copy" but since the certification was in English, your concussion is not surprising
Then by your own words he does not have a birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth, which can be mailed in from somewhere other than Hawaii!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160624 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you like a little more time to look at that?
Now, is this normal logic? Math problem, hmmmm, call a shrink! HUH?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160625 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pretty clear on it. There is no original.
Answer: The original is in the files, where it is supposed to be and where it always will stay. Hawaii, like all the other states, does not send out the originals. It sends out official copies on security paper. That is what Hawaii sent to Obama twice, first the official COLB, the short form, and then the long form, which is a photocopy onto security paper of the original in the files. And that is what the officials in Hawaii have said that they sent to Obama, both times, and officials of BOTH parties said so, and they have also repeatedly confirmed that the FACTS on the birth certificate that the White House has shown are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.

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