BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 20 comments on the Jan 8, 2009, Chicago Tribune story titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160682 Jun 21, 2013
Tm Clmns wrote:
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Ha Ha. This Kenyan put one over you dumb yanks.. and you can't do anything about it.
However, he is doing a good job, better than any white REpublican could ever do.
Enjoy...
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160683 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Geez, putting an image on the web was stupid? And holding a press conference?
WTF? Was he supposed to put the certified copies in a van to tour the US?
No, using PDF and not JPG was stupid.

As for "putting certified copies in a van to tour the US"---that is your creation.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160684 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered.
It may take a while for me to find the account of the digitizing project, but that is how they did it. It was expensive, but Hawaii is now reaping the benefits of efficiency. Their database is entirely digital, thanks to forward thinking bureaucrats.
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Re: "Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered."

Do you mean "digitizing" as in making digital images. Or, do you mean digitizing as in making all the words digital text? If the former, well sure. But the latter is expensive. And if all they did was make a digital image, then a clerk still would have to look at that image to determine whether or not it has the word HONOLULU on it (which of course it does).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160685 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re: "Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered."
Do you mean "digitizing" as in making digital images. Or, do you mean digitizing as in making all the words digital text? If the former, well sure. But the latter is expensive. And if all they did was make a digital image, then a clerk still would have to look at that image to determine whether or not it has the word HONOLULU on it (which of course it does).
Yeah, the latter is expensive and that just exactly what the State of Hawaii did. No, they did not simply make digital images, they transcribed all the data into a database.

No a clerk does not have to do anything but push a button once the correct record is located. This was described years ago.
wojar wrote:
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Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered.
It may take a while for me to find the account of the digitizing project, but that is how they did it. It was expensive, but Hawaii is now reaping the benefits of efficiency. Their database is entirely digital, thanks to forward thinking bureaucrats.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160686 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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No, using PDF and not JPG was stupid.
As for "putting certified copies in a van to tour the US"---that is your creation.
Thank you for agreeing the the van was a stupid idea. That was never in doubt. That was the friggin' point. PDF is a standard format. So is jpg. So is gif, etc. The fact is no format would prevent an asinine conspiracy theory. That pdf is stupid is your creation.
wojar wrote:
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Geez, putting an image on the web was stupid? And holding a press conference?
WTF? Was he supposed to put the certified copies in a van to tour the US?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160687 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re: "Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered."
Do you mean "digitizing" as in making digital images. Or, do you mean digitizing as in making all the words digital text? If the former, well sure. But the latter is expensive. And if all they did was make a digital image, then a clerk still would have to look at that image to determine whether or not it has the word HONOLULU on it (which of course it does).
No I mean digitizing into text fields.

I have the authoritative article among my millions of files but the following should probably suffice:

"The document is a “certification of birth,” also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents’ hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details."

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-...

Needless to say, a database with fewer details would not be a database of images with all of the data.

OK?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160688 Jun 21, 2013
Even ABC News is no longer ignoring the TEA Partiers!!!

The Tea Party Returns By ABBY D. PHILLIP | ABC News –
Opposition to President Obama's healthcare law catapulted the Tea Party to national prominence three years ago, and now anger over the Internal Revenue Service's targeting of conservative groups may be serving as a tipping point for a Tea Party revival.
And in the House of Representatives, where the movement's most ardent supporters reside, their influence is already being felt.
Most recently, the Republican-sponsored farm bill failed to pass through the House on Thursday in part due to Republican opposition to funding the food stamps program, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP. And earlier this week, House Speaker John Boehner caved to pressure from Tea Party-backed lawmakers on immigration reform.
Taken together, the farm bill's failure and Boehner's concession to anti-immigration-reform segments of his party appear to imperil the prospects for any bi-partisan legislation in the House — either on immigration or upcoming debt ceiling negotiations.
"This is the first time in months I've seen House conservatives full of energy and excitement. Farm bill defeat has encouraged them," said conservative pundit Erik Erikson on Twitter minutes after the bill went down, delivering a blow to Republican leaders in the House.
"I'm satisfied with the outcome," Jenny Beth Martin, co-founder and national coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots. "With the way that the SNAP program is integrated into the farm bill, it's more government spending and we just need better control of government spending."
Lawmakers in Washington are emboldened by the growing sense of alarm within the Tea Party, which is still a relatively diffuse group of state or local-based groups that has managed to coalesce around a common opposition to the Washington establishment.
This week, thousands rallied on Capitol Hill against what they called the IRS's "abuse of power" and efforts to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill, backed by more than a dozen allies in the House and the Senate.
And though those lawmakers were all Republicans, they didn't hold back in holding their party leaders' feet to the fire.
"The concern, frankly, is that there are people across the country who have lost faith in government and lost faith in the elected officials," Martin said. "It's very hard to trust when John Boehner says he won't do this and bring an [immigration] bill forward."
Last week, several Tea Party-backed lawmakers, including the founder of the Tea Party caucus Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), circulated a petition calling on Boehner to respect the Hastert rule, which would require a majority of Republicans to support any bill the Speaker brings to the House floor, a move that essentially narrowed the path for an immigration bill in the House.
By Tuesday, Boehner appeared to close the door on the prospect of passing an immigration bill with a majority of Democrats and a minority of Republicans, which he had expressed an openness to just one week prior.
"I don't see any way of bringing an immigration bill to the floor that doesn't have the majority support of Republicans," Boehner told reporters at a press conference on Capitol Hill.
While Senate Republicans and Democrats went to work almost immediately after the election to craft an immigration bill, opposition in the House appears to have only grown. And the bill's most vocal adversaries in the House are backed by a vocal Tea Party contingent.
Martin said that Tea Party activists are alarmed by the size and scope of a potential immigration bill, which they view as an "Obamacare" redux.
http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-returns-19542...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160689 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Huh? A Certificate of Live Birth (which is a birth certificate) originates from DOH not the other way around.
RU on drugs?
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Should have been "certification". My bad.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160690 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Birfoon: "I don't buy those numbers for one second."
So we must trust LSR's bare unsubstantiated assertion as fact because he doesn't "buy" the numbers.
Why are marine fossils found high in the mountains? Because the land that those mountains are composed of were once ancient ocean floors, before the mountains were formed. There was never enough water on this planet to submerge mountains. Sorry.
BTW, moron, if the marine fossils high in the Andes and Himalayas were due to a flood that deposited fossils at those elevations, the land masses of the earth would have been covered by flood waters, and again, there was never enough water on the earth for such a fantasy. Physically impossible.
Hub of human life?
Moron: "Geological evidence supports this flood theory."
What flood theory? A flood that occurred in the region of the Black Sea submerged the Andes? Is that your theory?
Moron: "And surely a flood could be the cause of a bottleneck, no?"
A flood that only drowns humans and not squirrels, hamsters, bears, deer, caribou, cats, et cetera?
What RU smoking?
Grow up!
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I see you're in one of your top notch "pryck" moods. But hey, that's you!

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1207/features/noah.htm

http://www.paleoportal.org/index.php...

What RU sucking?
Get f*cked!(if you only could)
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160691 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re: "Did he actually lose it or 'accidently' shred it?"
Answer: He or his family lost it.(Notice the way that it was being kept, "in an old book." If he simply left it in that old book, well it would be easy to lose. It would have been easy to have left that book in Hawaii when they moved to Indonesia.)
Re: "His Grandma Sarah Obama insisted she was present at this usurper's birth in Mombassa before he was later adopted in Indonesia."
Answer: A birther LIE.
She never said any such thing. Birther sites simply cut off the tape recording just BEFORE she was asked "Where was he born?" She answered that by saying repeatedly "In HAWAII." And, by the way, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government says that it investigated and that Obama and his mother were not among them.
Re: "BHO is using a stolen SSN..."
Answer. No. It is not stolen. There are millions upon millions of data entry errors in SS files, and Obama's CT SS number is one of them, generated by an error in entering a single digit that turned the Hawaii zip code into the zip code for Danbury CT.
And the Obumbler apologist adds to the list of excuses. Comical at best! I hope you're purposely putting on an act. No one buys all the excuses. Ludicrous.
Billy Ringo

Forest Hills, NY

#160692 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
Why does O's BC look like the "new" type instead of one from 1961? Hmmm???? I mean, they "HAVE" the original on file, right? Hmmm????
That was one of the questions Trumps "special investigators" were going to answer ......... but they apparently fell of the face of the earth.

Haven't heard what became of them. Golly gee, their families must be sick with worry by now.

Hmmmm ....
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160693 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?
There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.
So what? What is your effing point?
There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?
What is your effing point?
The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?
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My point is that a catastrophic flood possibly did happen and that there is evidence to support it. So, what is your effing point? You're the one that said it isn't possible. That's BS. What's your effing point? pinhead
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160694 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.
Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160695 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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No, using PDF and not JPG was stupid.
As for "putting certified copies in a van to tour the US"---that is your creation.
No! Creating a fake PDF was stupid. Geez, grab original, place on copier, copy, mail. TaDa!!!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160696 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Should have been "certification". My bad.
Huh? Both the Certification of Live Birth (now called a Certificate of Live Birth) and the Certificate as previously issued originate from DOH. Either way, they are legitimate birth certificates issued by DOH.

Sorry, loser, you (an individual) cannot mail in a certificate of live birth to DOH. You got it arse backwards. DOH issues the document. BTW, loser it was a hospital birth. Got a clue? Delivering physician David A Sinclair, M. D. signed the document which was forwarded to DOH via the friggin' HOSPITAL.

Duh!
wojar wrote:
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Huh? A Certificate of Live Birth (which is a birth certificate) originates from DOH not the other way around.
RU on drugs?
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160697 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Huh? RU taking your meds?

The original vital record is the record kept at DOH. Whether the document issued to an applicant says 'Certification' or 'Certificate' is of no moment. Either way, if the document says Born in Honolulu, it means Born in Honolulu. Only an idiot could believe a document that says born in Honolulu means Kenya because it's called a 'certification'.

Numskull.

And if it said Born in Kenya would that mean Honolulu? Idiot.
wojar wrote:
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160698 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Original what? Certification or certificate? He was sent a certification, not a certificate like he should have but for some reason he doesn't. Hmmm? You get one or the other depending on when you were born. Before the change "certificate", after the change "certification". Your original would remain as it was when you were born. I'll wait for the next excuse to add to the list. LMAO!
Huh? Everyone was sent, for most of the past decade, a "Certification" until recently. Now the exact same document is called a "Certificate."

You're on drugs.
wojar wrote:
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The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160699 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Yeah, the latter is expensive and that just exactly what the State of Hawaii did. No, they did not simply make digital images, they transcribed all the data into a database.
No a clerk does not have to do anything but push a button once the correct record is located. This was described years ago.
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Thanks for the correction.

However,I am still left with the impression that a human must have been involved in the digitizing process. Judging by the skipping and faint typewriting on the original, it is highly unlikely that this could have been done by character-recognition software. Most likely a human entered the data, and that human must have looked at the document in order to enter the data. So a human most likely saw that the original (or the digital image of it) said HONOLULU.

And that is additional confirmation (if any additional confirmation really were needed) that there was indeed an original Hawaii birth certificate and that it showed HONOLULU as the place of birth.

Would this be correct? Or was it entirely automatic (the latter is very hard to believe).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160700 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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My point is that a catastrophic flood possibly did happen and that there is evidence to support it. So, what is your effing point? You're the one that said it isn't possible. That's BS. What's your effing point? pinhead
Hey, Hurricane Floyd caused catastrophic flooding.

And there is evidence to support it. Lots of evidence.

MORON.

But Noah wasn't involved; hee hee.

Wowee Zowee there were floods throughout history? So fecking what?

What's your fecking point?

What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?
What's your fecking point?

Eh?
wojar wrote:
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Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?
There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.
So what? What is your effing point?
There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?
What is your effing point?
The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?
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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160701 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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And the Obumbler apologist adds to the list of excuses. Comical at best! I hope you're purposely putting on an act. No one buys all the excuses. Ludicrous.
(1) Both Obama and Mitt Romney or their families lost the birth certificate that was sent to them, so both of them had to ask for copies. Big deal. Millions of people do that.

(2) Obama has a SS number from Connecticut generated by a data entry error---just like the millions upon millions of errors in other SS files.

(3) Obama really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows, and the officials of BOTH parties confirms. Obama's birth certificate is not forged. Only birthers have claimed that it is, and they keep on repeating their nutty claims. The claims are nutty because the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that the facts on the published copy of Obama's long form birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on the birth certificate that they sent to him.

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