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American Lady

Danville, KY

#160536 Jun 20, 2013
Teaching SESSION ... over

:)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160537 Jun 20, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
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Libby was found guilty of Obstruction of Justice and lying to cover up the crimes by Bush and Cheney.
The elites almost never go to prison.
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Bush Republicans Planned Invading Iraq In 1998
Dear Mr. President: William J. Clinton
http://tinyurl.com/7ots / January 26, 1998
We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.
We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.
Sincerely, Elliott Abrams / Richard L. Armitage / William J. Bennett / Jeffrey Bergner
John Bolton / Paula Dobriansky / Francis Fukuyama / Robert Kagan / Zalmay Challises
William Kristol / Richard Perle / Peter W. Rodman / Donald Rumsfeld / William Schneider,
Vin Weber / Paul Wolfowitz / R. James Woolsey / Robert B. Zoellick
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclinton...
Okay, what crimes did Bush and Cheney make? Why did Obama not investigate these said crimes?
And exactly what crime was Libby convicted of anyway?

From Wiki: Libby was indicted on five counts relating to the Plame affair: Two counts of perjury, two counts of making false statements to federal investigators, and one count of obstruction of justice.

Oh, what happened to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson's lawsuit against Scooter Libby?

Since: May 10

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#160538 Jun 20, 2013
If relying on the Attorney General, when a Republican is president, is not good, why is it okay when the AG (Holder) Democrat is president (Obama). And in the case of Scooter Libby, the AG was not suspect in any improprieties while Holder is up to his eyeballs in sht!?!

He said: "Everyone is accountable, and if you work in the White House, and if it's perceived that somehow (you're) linked at the hip, the American public would have serious questions about the fairness of any investigation of a high-level official conducted by the attorney general."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#160540 Jun 20, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>JESUS CHRIST is Lord of all forever.
Kenyan-born illegal-alien bisexual son-of-a-pornstar Obama is the Antichrist.
100% Italian & Jesuit Pope Francis is the False Prophet.
Same-sex Marriage is the abomination of desolation.
Next comes World War Three, Rapture & Tribulation.
You call another's mother a porn star, and believe you will be ready for the "rapture and triblation"?

My opinion, one so filled with hate as you will "be looking around wondering where everyone else is at". A hateful person in heaven, I think not!
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160541 Jun 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, what crimes did Bush and Cheney make? Why did Obama not investigate these said crimes?
And exactly what crime was Libby convicted of anyway?
From Wiki: Libby was indicted on five counts relating to the Plame affair: Two counts of perjury, two counts of making false statements to federal investigators, and one count of obstruction of justice.
Oh, what happened to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson's lawsuit against Scooter Libby?
You really don't know how Washington DC works, do you?

Bush and Cheney are guilty of treason for outing a covert CIA agent and lying about WMD in Iraq.

That was the straw that broke the camels back.

A multitude of CIA, Generals, Admirals, all came out publicly against traitor Bush and traitor Cheney.

Why did Ford pardon Nixon?

Why did the prostitutes in Congress give Ollie North immunity?

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These top military Generals , Admirals, CIA, FBI, NSA, agents are not an insignificant number against all Neo-Con Republicans!

Only Liars Like Limbaugh, Bush and Cheney Despise Truth Tellers:
General Gordon R. Sullivan, USA (Ret.) Admiral Frank “Skip” Bowman, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Lawrence P. Farrell Jr., USAF (Ret.) Vice Admiral Paul G. Gaffney II, USN (Ret.) General Paul J. Kern, USA (Ret.) Admiral T. Joseph Lopez, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Donald L.“Don” Pilling, USN (Ret.) Admiral Joseph W. Prueher, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly, USN (Ret.) General Charles F.“Chuck” Wald, USAF (Ret.) General Anthony C.“Tony” Zinni, USMC

(Ret ) General John Batiste General William E. Odom Lt. General GREGORY NEWBOLD General Eric Shinseki General Paul Eaton GENERAL JOSEPH P. HOAR

Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute General Brent Scowcroft

General Barry McCaffrey Admiral Tommy Fargo General Wesley K. Clark

Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack Maj. Gen. John Riggs Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper

Colonel Sam Gardiner Colonel Ann Wright Colonel David Hackworth

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski Colonel Lawrence B. Wilkerson Marine Major Scott Ritter

Paul R Pillar CIA Larry C. Johnson CIA Tyler Drumheller CIA Michael Scheuer CIA

Ray McGovern CIA Russell Tice NSA, Sibel Edmonds FBI, Valerie Plame CIA.

General Batiste: "Protect America, Not George Bush"


Major General John R.S. Batiste at the DPC Hearing
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"Real" - VoteVets.org TV Ad Responding to Rush Limbaugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Major General John Batiste (ret) Talks to Keith Olbermann
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160542 Jun 20, 2013
Would someone remind the Kenyan that the U.S. does not negotiate with terrorists.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160544 Jun 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, what crimes did Bush and Cheney make? Why did Obama not investigate these said crimes?
And exactly what crime was Libby convicted of anyway?
From Wiki: Libby was indicted on five counts relating to the Plame affair: Two counts of perjury, two counts of making false statements to federal investigators, and one count of obstruction of justice.
Oh, what happened to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson's lawsuit against Scooter Libby?
Ex-CIA Official Paul Pillar Faults Use of Data on Iraq
Intelligence 'Misused' to Justify War, He Says
February 10, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/azl6w

The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Paul R Pillar's critique is one of the most severe indictments of White House actions by a former Bush official since Richard C. Clarke, a former National Security Council staff member, went public with his criticism of the administration's handling of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and its failure to deal with the terrorist threat beforehand.

It is also the first time that such a senior intelligence officer has so directly and publicly condemned the administration's handling of intelligence.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

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1948 Smith-Mundt Act The 1948 Smith-Mundt Act prohibited the domestic dissemination of United States government propaganda. The reasoning behind Smith-Mundt was that Congress wanted to be certain that a United States government agency could not brainwash our own citizens as Hitler had done in Germany.

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A Spy Speaks Out
Former Top CIA Official Tyler Drumheller On "Faulty" Intelligence Claims /
http://tinyurl.com/rle4x / April 23, 2006

"The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy."

Tyler Drumheller CIA Ret.

(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60m...

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Was Ending CIA Osama Unit A Mistake?
First Head Of Unit Tells CBS News Closing Was 'Questionable'
Michael Scheuer CIA Retired / July 5, 2006 http://tinyurl.com/f4bdu

(CBS/AP) The first head of the Central Intelligence Agency's Osama bin Laden-hunting unit tells CBS News that closing the unit was "a mistake" and "a questionable decision."

"Bin laden remains the single most important threat to the United States, and there's no way around that fact," Michael Scheuer a CBS News terrorism analyst said on The Early Show.
It was reported by the New York Times Tuesday that the CIA has closed the unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants.
Scheuer said bin Laden is unquestionably a threat to the United States.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/05/ter...
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160545 Jun 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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And that is because we don't execute enough of them. Just look at the Reno Brothers gang who committed the world's first train robber!!!
Reno Gang
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Reno Brothers Gang, also known as the Reno Gang and The Jackson Thieves, were a group of criminals that operated in the Midwestern United States during and just after the American Civil War. Though short-lived, they carried out the first three peacetime train robberies in U.S. history. Most of the stolen money was never recovered.
The gang was broken with the lynchings of ten of its members by vigilante mobs in 1868. The murders created an international diplomatic incident with Canada and Great Britain, a general public uproar, and international newspaper coverage. No one was ever identified or prosecuted for the lynchings.
Death penalty has Nothing to do with it.

The American Prison Complex is extremely profitable.

Same is true of the Pentagon.

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Why We Fight
http://tinyurl.com/bn73v
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.h...

We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. Today the real test of power is not capacity to make war but capacity to prevent it. The guns and the bombs, the rockets and the warships, are all symbols of human failure. History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160547 Jun 20, 2013
Excerpts from "Jawbreaker" by CIA Ret. Gary Berntsen
Evidence the war on terror is a lie from former CIA Station Chief
http://tinyurl.com/6a7s34 / July 23, 2008
Jawbreaker II was the name of the 2001 operation to destroy al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Below are excerpts from this book which I found most enlightening. I made it easy for you; you don’t have to read the whole book.

Mr. Berntsen was the CIA station chief in East Afghanistan in 2001 and is an impeccable source. I believe these excerpts are some of the strongest evidence we have for the idea that the war on terror is a lie. Berntsen asks why he wasn’t given the resources to destroy al Qaeda and bin Laden. Why was Berntsen relieved in the middle of operations at Tora Bora? I believe the answers to these questions are simple and grotesque. If we had destroyed al-Qaeda in December 2001, the war on terror would have come to a premature end. There would have been no further rationalization for the occupation of Afghanistan, the occupation of Iraq, or an attack on Iran. No further rationalization for the real goal – empire. The war on terror is merely cover for imperial war.

These ideas are painful for people, but they’re the truth we must force them to confront if we’re to reverse our aggression and preempt further aggression.
Questions:
Why did we allow al Qaeda and bin Laden to escape Tora Bora?
Why have we not destroyed them in the last six years?
Why are we still occupying Afghanistan?
Why did we attack Iraq that had no connection to al-Qaeda or international terror?
Why was the occupation of Iraq so utterly incompetent?
Why did the Pentagon recently sign ten year contracts to provide support services in Iraq?
Why did the Administration want the “status of forces agreement” to allow American troops to stay in Iraq indefinitely?
Why is the Administration lobbying for an attack on Iran?
Answer:
The Big Truth: The “war on terror” is a lie, only justice in American foreign policy will end terror. Corrupt dollar politics have led to corrupt dollar diplomacy and unjust war. America is now a corrupt, aggressor nation fighting a “war for empire” in a gross contravention of American ideals. God bless America and Iran; God damn the empire.
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.ph...

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Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160549 Jun 20, 2013
Step by step, what America has done wrong since 9/11
By Haviland Smith CIA Ret./ September 22, 2011 / http://tinyurl.com/a979bys
In some key ways, Osama bin Laden got his wish. America’s response to 9/11 has ravaged the economy, undermined civil and individual liberties – and has left us just as vulnerable as ever. Someone says “terrorist threat” and we jump. Through it all, the people and their elected representatives have hardly murmured.

It would be absolutely fascinating and probably terrifying to know even roughly what amount of money and resources it took for this country to prepare for the tenth anniversary of 9/11. We could start with New York City expenditures.

Unfortunately, although there has been vast media coverage of the massive security measures undertaken for 9/11, no one seems to be looking at it in terms of the extent of vulnerability in which these kneejerk measures leave us and the further economic drain that they place on our economy.

When Osama bin Laden first got geared up on his quest to bring down the United States, he said very clearly that one of his goals was to bankrupt us. Of course, what he meant was that he planned to create the conditions which would bring us to bankrupt ourselves.

It is critical to remember here that terrorism is not designed to overwhelm. It is designed to undermine. In that context, whatever it does to cause or initiate anxiety in targeted populations and governments, it relies on the reaction of those populations and governments equally as much to achieve its final goals. And America has reacted in ways that have haunted us and will continue to haunt us for decades. Unfortunately, Bin Laden could not have wished for more.
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm...

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Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160550 Jun 20, 2013
The “new” Arab world through the Marx Brothers’ eyes
February 28, 2011/ by Michael Scheuer CIA Ret./ http://tinyurl.com/6jvcpk3

–1.) Security in Iraq continues to deteriorate, with one of the country’s biggest oil production facilities being shut down by an attack.

–2.) The U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan is still losing, and reports are multiplying that General Petraeus is seeking a new job before the house of cards he and his counter-insurgency experts built collapses.

–3.) The Yemeni regime — deemed a “key ally” by the Obama administration — appears to be losing what little control it had of the country.

–4.) Mubarak’s regime, which, whatever you think of it, was the strongest and most reliable ally of Washington and Israel in the region has been destroyed, and the transition from Mubarak to a military dictatorship is being billed as the “birth of democracy.”

–5.) Much of Libya’s oil production is shut down and domestic gasoline prices in the U.S. are headed for economic-growth killing $4.00 or more per gallon.

–6.) President Obama and his fellow NATO and UN interventionists are discussing Libya with “all options” on the table, presumably including neo-colonial combat forces if Qahdafi’s resolve to survive continues to harden and his forces make gains.

–7.) Al-Qaeda is irrelevant and history has passed it by, even as its two main goals are on they way to being met — the destruction of the Arab tyrannies and and the fatal weakening of Israel’s security — and its third goal is reaching fruition as President Obama presides over the retreat of U.S. forces from Afghanistan and Iraq with none of Washington’s pre-war goals accomplished.

–8.) Egypt’s long-closed border with Gaza is being opened, and Israel’s air force is merrily bombing the Gazans.

–9.) A bin-Laden inspired, Saudi student was arrested in Texas last week — without the usual FBI “sting”— for planning attacks on the U.S. energy sector. His motivation: Washington’s intervention in the Muslim world.(NB: There are now thirty-thousand Saudi students in the United States on easy-for-Saudis-to-get student visas.)

–10.) Up to 40,000 convicted Islamist militants, insurgents, theorists, and terrorists have been released from Mubarak’s prisons. Unknown numbers also have been released in Tunisia and Libya.
http://non-intervention.com/846/the-new-arab-...

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The Betrayal of Valerie Plame
By Larry C. Johnson CIA Ret. February 7, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/afwlp
A judge's rulings make it clear that Scooter Libby did lie to the grand jury, and that, yes, Valerie Plame was an undercover agent protected by federal law.

Valerie Plame was a covert intelligence officer covered by the Intelligence Officer's Identity Protection Act, and Lewis "Scooter" Libby lied to the grand jury. These two truths emerge from the opinion written by Judge Tatel, of the U.S. Court of Appeals, and released in February 2005. Thanks to a FOIA request by the Wall Street Journal we now have a more complete record, although key parts of his decision are still blacked out. Perhaps most of the media will now realize that they have been fed a pack of lies by the likes of Ken Mehlman, Victoria Toensing, Cliff May and others.

Tatel's opinion also is relevant to the current furor over "domestic spying" and whether reporters will have any ability to protect their sources. It certainly appears that Tatel would uphold the right of the reporters to protect sources who told them about illegal spying. Tatel's concludes his opinion that Judy Miller and Matt Cooper had to testify before the grand jury with the following:
http://www.alternet.org/story/31881/
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160551 Jun 20, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Death penalty has Nothing to do with it.
The American Prison Complex is extremely profitable.
Same is true of the Pentagon.
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Why We Fight
http://tinyurl.com/bn73v
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.h...
We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. Today the real test of power is not capacity to make war but capacity to prevent it. The guns and the bombs, the rockets and the warships, are all symbols of human failure. History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Well, if it wasn't for the gun, you wouldn't be sitting in New York right now. Failures? boink boink boink
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#160552 Jun 20, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, if it wasn't for the gun, you wouldn't be sitting in New York right now. Failures? boink boink boink
I'm not following you about a gun and NY?

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General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
Iraq Quagmire: That, George Bush, knew!
http://tinyurl.com/2q9ex6


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Cheney 1994: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire C-SPAN
http://tinyurl.com/3d6x5b
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160554 Jun 20, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
You really don't know how Washington DC works, do you?
Bush and Cheney are guilty of treason for outing a covert CIA agent and lying about WMD in Iraq.
That was the straw that broke the camels back.
A multitude of CIA, Generals, Admirals, all came out publicly against traitor Bush and traitor Cheney.
Why did Ford pardon Nixon?
Why did the prostitutes in Congress give Ollie North immunity?
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These top military Generals , Admirals, CIA, FBI, NSA, agents are not an insignificant number against all Neo-Con Republicans!
Only Liars Like Limbaugh, Bush and Cheney Despise Truth Tellers:
General Gordon R. Sullivan, USA (Ret.) Admiral Frank “Skip” Bowman, USN (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Lawrence P. Farrell Jr., USAF (Ret.) Vice Admiral Paul G. Gaffney II, USN (Ret.) General Paul J. Kern, USA (Ret.) Admiral T. Joseph Lopez, USN (Ret.)
Admiral Donald L.“Don” Pilling, USN (Ret.) Admiral Joseph W. Prueher, USN (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly, USN (Ret.) General Charles F.“Chuck” Wald, USAF (Ret.) General Anthony C.“Tony” Zinni, USMC
(Ret ) General John Batiste General William E. Odom Lt. General GREGORY NEWBOLD General Eric Shinseki General Paul Eaton GENERAL JOSEPH P. HOAR
Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute General Brent Scowcroft
General Barry McCaffrey Admiral Tommy Fargo General Wesley K. Clark
Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack Maj. Gen. John Riggs Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper
Colonel Sam Gardiner Colonel Ann Wright Colonel David Hackworth
Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski Colonel Lawrence B. Wilkerson Marine Major Scott Ritter
Paul R Pillar CIA Larry C. Johnson CIA Tyler Drumheller CIA Michael Scheuer CIA
Ray McGovern CIA Russell Tice NSA, Sibel Edmonds FBI, Valerie Plame CIA.
General Batiste: "Protect America, Not George Bush"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =aMPIi03wSfYXX
Major General John R.S. Batiste at the DPC Hearing
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
"Real" - VoteVets.org TV Ad Responding to Rush Limbaugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Major General John Batiste (ret) Talks to Keith Olbermann
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Well, obviously you have no idea how it works in DC because if you did, the president can declassify anything!!! And you have ZERO evidence that Cheney did either.
If Obama could have prosecuted them, he would have.
Oh, to avoid being prosecuted Bill Clinton did sign a Consent DEcree!
Oh, and Vote Vets, is NOT a veterans organization. Only 5% of their members have ever been in the military. All Vote Vets is is a front group for .... Progressives!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#160556 Jun 20, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
You really don't know how Washington DC works, do you?
Bush and Cheney are guilty of treason for outing a covert CIA agent and 1) lying about WMD in Iraq.
That was the straw that broke the camels back.
2) A multitude of CIA, Generals, Admirals, all came out publicly against traitor Bush and traitor Cheney.
3)Why did Ford pardon Nixon?
4) Why did the prostitutes in Congress give Ollie North immunity?
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These top military Generals , Admirals, CIA, FBI, NSA, agents are not an insignificant number against all Neo-Con Republicans!
1) What lies did Bush and Cheney tell about WMD in Iraq? To lie one must know what they are saying is untrue and you can not prove that.
2} Name for me the generals, admirals and CIA people who came out publicly?
3) Ford pardoned Nixon to simply put the issue behind us. If Bill Clinton had also resigned like Nixon had, I too would think it would be proper to pardon him.
4) "the prostitutes in Congress" where all DEMOCRATS and they gave North immunity because they thought he was going to finger Reagan and they got greedy!
Now, tell us what a Neo Con is, if you can???

Since: May 10

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#160557 Jun 20, 2013
Obama's EPA got caught lying and now they are trying to cover it up. I hope they get sued!!!
Rogue

EPA won't confirm fracking-pollution tie in Wyo.
By MEAD GRUVER and BEN NEARY | Associated Press – 1 hr 45 mins ago

CHEYENNE, Wyo.(AP)— The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced Thursday it is dropping its longstanding plan to have independent scientists review its finding that hydraulic fracturing may be linked to groundwater pollution in central Wyoming.
The EPA is standing by its findings, but state officials will lead further investigation into the pollution in the Pavillion area. The area has been a focus of the debate over whether fracking can pollute groundwater ever since the EPA's initial report came out in late 2011.
"We stand behind our work and the data, but EPA recognizes the state's commitment to further investigation," said agency spokesman Tom Reynolds in Washington, D.C. The EPA will let state officials carry on the investigation with the federal agency's support, he said.
Wyoming officials have been skeptical about the theory that fracking played a role in the pollution at Pavillion, but Reynolds expressed confidence the state could lead the work from here. He described the shift as the best way to ensure Pavillion-area residents have a clean source of drinking water.
Even so, industry officials who have been doubtful about the EPA findings all along praised the change as confirmation of their view that the science wasn't sound.
"EPA has to do a better job, because another fatally flawed water study could have a big impact on how the nation develops its massive energy resources," Erik Milito, director of upstream and industry operations for the American Petroleum Institute, said in a release.
Richard Garrett, energy and legislative advocate with the Wyoming Outdoor Council in Lander, said he believes Thursday's announcement shows the EPA is finding it more difficult than originally expected to come to grips with the full environmental effect of fracking. He noted that the EPA is pushing back other work aimed at gauging the how energy production may pollute groundwater.
"It's not surprising to me that they're kind of taking a secondary role in rural Pavillion," Garrett said. "It looks to me like it might be a resource issue. That goes to the federal budget I suppose, and EPA administration."
Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, boosts the productivity of oil and gas wells by pumping pressurized water mixed with sand and chemicals into well holes to crack open fissures in the ground.
Environmentalists have voiced concern about fracking causing groundwater pollution for years, but the practice has significantly boosted oil and gas production in regions such as the Bakken Shale in North Dakota and the Marcellus Shale underlying Eastern states.
The EPA's 2011 report marked the first time the agency publicly linked fracking and groundwater contamination, causing a stir on both sides of the issue.
http://news.yahoo.com/epa-wont-confirm-fracki...

Since: May 10

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#160558 Jun 20, 2013
Tea Party wins another one!!!

June 20, 2013 8:25 pm
US farm bill failure signals Congressional gridlock
By Richard McGregor in Washington
The Republican leadership in the US House of Representatives suffered an embarrassing defeat on a $940bn bill funding farm support and food aid in a vote that bodes ill for coming showdowns over the budget and immigration reform.
The farm bill has been traditionally passed by Congress every five years to fund everything from crop support and insurance for farmers to food stamps, which subsidise the housekeeping bills of the unemployed and low-paid.

The bill was defeated by 234 votes to 195 after 62 members of the Republican majority in the House bucked their leadership and cast ballots against it.
Once passed on a broadly bipartisan basis, the farm bill has become a target of fiscal conservatives [TEA Partiers], for its subsidies to large farmers and food stamp payments, which have ballooned in the economic downturn.
While the Republican leadership blamed Democrats for not delivering enough votes to pass the bill, conservative leaders outside of Congress applauded the bill’s failure.
“The lesson here is that when the American people are informed and engaged, we can get our country back on the right track,” said Jim DeMint, president of the conservative Heritage Foundation, and a former Republican senator.
The fact that John Boehner, the House Republican Speaker, committed himself to supporting the legislation makes its failure all the more telling. Mr Boehner has not voted for a farm bill since 1996, as he opposes its subsidies, but his change of heart did not sway his colleagues.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/76e71df4-d9db-11e2-...

Since: May 10

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#160559 Jun 20, 2013
Damn, it's that pesky Constitution thing again!
Rogue

FBI Admits That Obeying The Constitution Just Takes Too Much Time
from the oh-the-horrors dept

While much of the news coverage of FBI Director Robert Mueller's Congressional hearing this week focused on his admission that the FBI has used drones domestically, there were some other points raised, including his "defense" of the broad surveillance techniques that appears to amount to the idea that it just takes too long to obey the Constitution and go through the proper procedures before getting information:
Testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Mr. Mueller addressed a proposal to require telephone companies to retain calling logs for five years — the period the N.S.A. is keeping them — for investigators to consult, rather than allowing the government to collect and store them all. He cautioned that it would take time to subpoena the companies for numbers of interest and get the answers back.

“The point being that it will take an awful long time,” Mr. Mueller said.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#160560 Jun 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Obama's EPA got caught lying and now they are trying to cover it up. I hope they get sued!!!
Rogue
EPA won't confirm fracking-pollution tie in Wyo.
By MEAD GRUVER and BEN NEARY | Associated Press – 1 hr 45 mins ago
CHEYENNE, Wyo.(AP)— The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced Thursday it is dropping its longstanding plan to have independent scientists review its finding that hydraulic fracturing may be linked to groundwater pollution in central Wyoming.
The EPA is standing by its findings, but state officials will lead further investigation into the pollution in the Pavillion area. The area has been a focus of the debate over whether fracking can pollute groundwater ever since the EPA's initial report came out in late 2011.
"We stand behind our work and the data, but EPA recognizes the state's commitment to further investigation," said agency spokesman Tom Reynolds in Washington, D.C. The EPA will let state officials carry on the investigation with the federal agency's support, he said.
Wyoming officials have been skeptical about the theory that fracking played a role in the pollution at Pavillion, but Reynolds expressed confidence the state could lead the work from here. He described the shift as the best way to ensure Pavillion-area residents have a clean source of drinking water.
Even so, industry officials who have been doubtful about the EPA findings all along praised the change as confirmation of their view that the science wasn't sound.
"EPA has to do a better job, because another fatally flawed water study could have a big impact on how the nation develops its massive energy resources," Erik Milito, director of upstream and industry operations for the American Petroleum Institute, said in a release.
Richard Garrett, energy and legislative advocate with the Wyoming Outdoor Council in Lander, said he believes Thursday's announcement shows the EPA is finding it more difficult than originally expected to come to grips with the full environmental effect of fracking. He noted that the EPA is pushing back other work aimed at gauging the how energy production may pollute groundwater.
"It's not surprising to me that they're kind of taking a secondary role in rural Pavillion," Garrett said. "It looks to me like it might be a resource issue. That goes to the federal budget I suppose, and EPA administration."
Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, boosts the productivity of oil and gas wells by pumping pressurized water mixed with sand and chemicals into well holes to crack open fissures in the ground.
Environmentalists have voiced concern about fracking causing groundwater pollution for years, but the practice has significantly boosted oil and gas production in regions such as the Bakken Shale in North Dakota and the Marcellus Shale underlying Eastern states.
The EPA's 2011 report marked the first time the agency publicly linked fracking and groundwater contamination, causing a stir on both sides of the issue.
http://news.yahoo.com/epa-wont-confirm-fracki...
EPA got caught lying? That's what Rouge *wishes* the article said.

Since: Oct 09

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#160561 Jun 20, 2013
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Well, my BC does not have a "raised" seal either. It has a "multi-colored" seal. But it is clearly visible which Obama's is not.
And at no time has the State of Hawaii verified that either jpg image Obama has posted on the internet is a copy of THEIR document. All they have said is that the "information is correct" and that is not the same thing.
Either you have no understanding of what you read or you simply refuse to believe what you read. My bet is on reading comprehension.

Frequently Asked Questions about Vital Records of President Barack Hussein Obama II
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ON APRIL 27, 2011 PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA POSTED A CERTIFIED COPY OF HIS ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.
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