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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Pdamerica org

Edison, NJ

#160609 Jun 21, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>JESUS CHRIST is Lord of all forever.
Kenyan-born illegal-alien bisexual son-of-a-pornstar Obama is the Antichrist.
100% Italian & Jesuit Pope Francis is the False Prophet.
Same-sex Marriage is the abomination of desolation.
Next comes World War Three, Rapture & Tribulation.
George W. Bush's January 20, 2001 inauguration was unconstitutional. This isn't because Bush lost the popular vote. Nor is it because he lost Florida and thus the electoral vote. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision to hear the Florida recount lawsuit, Bush v. Gore, violated the U.S. Constitution. It's a states' rights issue. Elections fall under state law; the highest court that may resolve a legal challenge about an election is a state supreme court. The U.S. Supreme Court--a federal body--didn't have jurisdiction in the case.
Pdamerica org

Edison, NJ

#160610 Jun 21, 2013
Charlie Rose - Sir Jeremy Greenstock:'Tony Blair knew Iraq had no nuclear capability'
http://tinyurl.com/6bc7vn


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Blair under new pressure over Iraq war: did he ignore advice of officials that it was unlawful?/ http://tinyurl.com/bfawl9
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics...

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EXCLUSIVE: International War Whistleblowers Tell Why They Exposed Their Governments / http://tinyurl.com/5hkw6z / September 09, 2004
In a Democracy Now! U.S. exclusive, two former intelligence officials from Britain and Denmark discuss why they blew the whistle on their governments in relation to the war in Iraq. Katharine Gun is a former British employee who leaked details of a secret U.S. spy operation on UN Security Council members in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. Major Frank Grevil is a former military intelligence officer from Denmark who was fired for leaking classified reports that showed no weapons of mass destruction would be found in Iraq. He currently faces charges for breaching the country’s official information law
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/9/9/exclusiv...

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Translator turns 'whistle-blower'
The daughter of a university lecturer, Katharine Gun was thrust into the limelight after being accused of leaking top secret information.
http://tinyurl.com/4d9sno / 26 February, 2004
The 29-year-old from the Regency Cotswold town of Cheltenham was a little-known translator working at the government's communications headquarters GCHQ.
But in March last year she was arrested, accused of breaching the Official Secrets Act by leaking an e-mail to the Observer newspaper from US spies asking British counterparts to tap the telephones of UN Security Council members.
In June 2003 she was sacked from her post.
She always admitted leaking the e-mail but argued she had "only ever followed her conscience" to prevent an "illegal war against Iraq".
The revelations contained in the leaked memo made her a cause celebre in the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3507533.stm

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The spy who wouldn't keep a secret
In the year since she leaked an explosive email about spying on UN diplomats, GCHQ translator Katharine Gun has been arrested, charged with breaking the Official Secrets Act and transformed into an international cause celebre. As the case against her was dropped yesterday, Oliver Burkeman and Richard Norton-Taylor met an unlikely rebel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/feb/2...

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The Secret Downing Street Memo
http://downingstreetmemo.com/docs/memotext.pd...
Pdamerica org

Edison, NJ

#160611 Jun 21, 2013
Diplomat's Suppressed Document Lays Bare the Lies behind Iraq War
December 15, 2006 http://tinyurl.com/ye8w94
The Government's case for going to war in Iraq has been torn apart by the publication of previously suppressed evidence that Tony Blair lied over Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.
A devastating attack on Mr. Blair's justification for military action by Carne Ross, Britain's key negotiator at the UN, has been kept under wraps until now because he was threatened with being charged with breaching the Official Secrets Act.

In the testimony revealed today Mr. Ross, 40, who helped negotiate several UN security resolutions on Iraq, makes it clear that Mr. Blair must have known Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons of mass destruction. He said that during his posting to the UN, "at no time did HMG [Her Majesty's Government] assess that Iraq's WMD (or any other capability) posed a threat to the UK or its interests."

Mr. Ross revealed it was a commonly held view among British officials dealing with Iraq that any threat by Saddam Hussein had been "effectively contained".
He also reveals that British officials warned US diplomats that bringing down the Iraqi dictator would lead to the chaos the world has since witnessed. "I remember on several occasions the UK team stating this view in terms during our discussions with the US (who agreed)," he said.

It shows Mr. Ross told the inquiry, chaired by Lord Butler, "there was no intelligence evidence of significant holdings of CW [chemical warfare], BW [biological warfare] or nuclear material" held by the Iraqi dictator before the invasion. "There was, moreover, no intelligence or assessment during my time in the job that Iraq had any intention to launch an attack against its neighbors or the UK or the US," he added.

Mr. Ross's evidence directly challenges the assertions by the Prime Minster that the war was legally justified because Saddam possessed WMDs which could be "activated" within 45 minutes and posed a threat to British interests. These claims were also made in two dossiers, subsequently discredited, in spite of the advice by Mr. Ross.

Mr. Ross said in late 2002 that he "discussed this at some length with David Kelly", the weapons expert who a year later committed suicide when he was named as the source of a BBC report saying Downing Street had "sexed up" the WMD claims in a dossier. The Butler inquiry cleared Mr. Blair and Downing Street of "sexing up" the dossier, but the publication of the Carne Ross evidence will cast fresh doubts on its findings.

Mr Ross, 40, was a highly rated diplomat but he resigned because of his misgivings about the legality of the war. He still fears the threat of action under the Official Secrets Act.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1215-...

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The Secret Downing Street Memo
http://downingstreetmemo.com/docs/memotext.pd...
Globalism's Discontents
wojar

United States

#160612 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer: in 2001 Hawaii adopted the COLB as its official birth certificate, and the procedure for anyone who wants a copy of her or his birth certificate is that they get a COLB.
The COLB procedure is for the clerk to look into the file, read the facts on the document, enter them onto the computer form, and the computer spits out the COLB. It is more efficient to do this than to make photocopies of the paper documents in the file (and it reduces wear on tear on the paper documents as well).
Ellen, that's not quite the procedure. The clerk does not do the data entry. Hawaii hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry, contracted a database, and set up their system. The clerk merely needs to identify the correct database file and print. No need to look at the image of the original paper record.
wojar

United States

#160613 Jun 21, 2013
correction: constructed a database
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160615 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And Romper again fails basic English comprehension. "We keep the original on file" requires that ANYONE requesting their BC be issued a new copy.
Duh
You're an idiot! A copy of his original BC is what we're waiting on. Do you think they're going to send you an old "copy"? The only one with a comprehension problem is you. Farnsworth, you might be able to figure it out if you look at Pop's post again. Then again, maybe not! Watch it everyone, Mr. Kerplunk is dilated! Still acting like a butt-sore loser cause I made you cry, huh? Don't worry, be happy! LMAO! Would you be interested in some beautiful river front property on the mighty Red River????? LMAO! DS
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160616 Jun 21, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "(and it reduces wear on tear on the paper documents as well)"
That should read: "wear and tear."
You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160617 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The State of Hawaii provided Senator Obama with a Certification of Live Birth in 2007 because, just like anyone else born in Hawaii, and for whom an original vital record is kept on file by the Department of Health, he was entitled to it, if he paid the correct fee.
Indeed, if they didn't have an original vital record on file wherein the facts of his birth were recorded, he would have been out of luck, just like anyone else.
Does that help clear up your confusion?
<quoted text>
I'm pretty clear on it. There is no original.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160618 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting your claim of steady job losses under Obama is a pipe dream.
Oh my oh my! The Black Sea once presumably had a flood and some of the people living there probably died. Connecticut once had a big flood in 1955, and there were people living there too, and some of them died! Golly gee!
But neither was a worldwide flood that immersed the entire earth and covered mountains killing all humans and land animals, save for those on Noah's supercalifragilistic ark.
<quoted text>
Here, I'll put it in terms you can understand. I don't buy those numbers for one second. Obumbler has been propped up and protected from day one. Guess they figured he couldn't handle the truth!

Why are marine fossils found in strata high up in the mountains? It may not have covered the entire globe, you haven't heard me make that statement. However, at the time, even you have to admit the human population was much, much smaller than it is now or in the 50's, no? This flood would have occurred right in the middle of the "hub" of human life. Geological evidence supports this flood theory. And surely a flood could be the cause of a bottleneck, no? The Black Sea was once much smaller and contained freshwater, you knew that right?
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160619 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>You're an idiot! A copy of his original BC is what we're waiting on. Do you think they're going to send you an old "copy"? The only one with a comprehension problem is you. Farnsworth, you might be able to figure it out if you look at Pop's post again. Then again, maybe not! Watch it everyone, Mr. Kerplunk is dilated! Still acting like a butt-sore loser cause I made you cry, huh? Don't worry, be happy! LMAO! Would you be interested in some beautiful river front property on the mighty Red River????? LMAO! DS
A copy of the original BC us what you've seen. Of course the Lil puss got his panties in a wad because the State of Hawaii certified "this is an exact copy" but since the certification was in English, your concussion is not surprising
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160620 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Excerpted from an article in GSA Today.
“Geologists assess theories by how well they fit data, and creationists evaluate facts by how well they fit their theories. This simple distinction frames an unbridgeable intellectual rift. Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge.”
http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/22...
The simple fact is if the world were as primitive today as it was 5000 years ago, people on what is now the Eastern Seaboard may well have thought Hurricane Floyd caused a worldwide flood. So what?
Yes, just as people in the "cradle of life" would have thought! Global. I've never said it was global.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160621 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think August 4, 1961 was six years ago then I cannot help you. You need a psychiatrist.
<quoted text>
Would you like a little more time to look at that?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160622 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And Romper again fails basic English comprehension. "We keep the original on file" requires that ANYONE requesting their BC be issued a new copy.
Duh
Idiot. Do you think they keep "old" copies lying around? Dense.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160623 Jun 21, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
A copy of the original BC us what you've seen. Of course the Lil puss got his panties in a wad because the State of Hawaii certified "this is an exact copy" but since the certification was in English, your concussion is not surprising
Then by your own words he does not have a birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth, which can be mailed in from somewhere other than Hawaii!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160624 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you like a little more time to look at that?
Now, is this normal logic? Math problem, hmmmm, call a shrink! HUH?
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#160625 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pretty clear on it. There is no original.
Answer: The original is in the files, where it is supposed to be and where it always will stay. Hawaii, like all the other states, does not send out the originals. It sends out official copies on security paper. That is what Hawaii sent to Obama twice, first the official COLB, the short form, and then the long form, which is a photocopy onto security paper of the original in the files. And that is what the officials in Hawaii have said that they sent to Obama, both times, and officials of BOTH parties said so, and they have also repeatedly confirmed that the FACTS on the birth certificate that the White House has shown are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#160626 Jun 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Ellen, that's not quite the procedure. The clerk does not do the data entry. Hawaii hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry, contracted a database, and set up their system. The clerk merely needs to identify the correct database file and print. No need to look at the image of the original paper record.
Then it was the clerk who entered the birth certificate into the database. For that to have happened there had to be a birth certificate, and it had to say on it that Obama was born in HONOLULU because that is what the COLB says.

However, I'm not at all sure about the "hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry" that you say occurred. Have you got a link to show for that? It is possible, of course, but it is expensive, and barring a good reason to digitize other than by entering the images of the BCs, many states would not spend the money. All that they would do is enter the images of the BCs, index them by name and date, and let the clerk check the place of birth (Oahu or an other island) and enter it. Otherwise they would have to enter the town and island for every file even those who do not ask for copies.
Learn to Read

United States

#160627 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pretty clear on it. There is no original.
And Lil Romper us going to hold his breath until he sees a copy of a document he claims doesn't exist. Not too bright that Romper
Learn to Read

United States

#160628 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Then by your own words he does not have a birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth, which can be mailed in from somewhere other than Hawaii!
OReaLY moron? Hawaii issues a COLB - do they use a shared service center in Mussissippi to issue it? And of course there's the long form that they made a special copy if for him .... But those are just legal documents and absolute proof of place of birth. They have no value in a court of play law

Poor Lil Puss Boi. So many words, do little comprehension
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#160629 Jun 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.
Rational readers will notice that the above is not a discussion of the facts. It simply claims that I do not know. Well, the fact is still a FACT that Hawaii does not photocopy the originals and send those photocopies to people who ask for their birth certificate. It has been issuing COLBs to everyone, new births plus those who ask for copies of their birth certificate, since that became the law in 2001. And many states do exactly the same thing.

Mitt Romney's birth certificate (which Michigan calls a Certificate of Live Birth) was also a computer-generated short-form birth certificate issued recently, not the one sent to his parents and not a photocopy of the original in the files.

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