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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160183 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Then why did the GSA have a series of seminars on the subject in which cases were made both for and against a great flood? These geologist came from all parts of the world. I suppose they are all delusional? I think not. Let's see how your name-calling is coming along; loser, imbecile, ignorant, gullible, fools. Very immature and childish. But that's you. What existed before "the" big bang, wojar? How did life come from non-life, it had to happen at some point? Why are marine fossils found in mountain tops? Because it was under water at some point, no? How does a whale get buried vertically? There's more geological evidence than you have a clue about. You're limited by what you can touch and see.
The GSA supports great biblical flood mythology? You are full of it.
There may have been some big floods which led primitive people to think the entire earth was once immersed.

Geologists came from all over the world to discuss evidence of a worldwide flood that immersed the earth a la Noah and his supercalifragilistic yacht? Lets see the titles of the alleged papers.

Please provide references to GSA journals and other peer reviewed journals where these ideas have been published.(Not meeting papers which do not undergo review.) Young earth web sites run by bible school kids do not count. BTW, if a few creationists and other misfits were allowed to speak at a seminar that does not imply the GSA endorses their fringe views.

BTW, I don't have to explain what was before the big bang to prove that the biblical flood immersed the entire earth is impossible. And what does the origin of life have to do with your precious biblical flood? Also, it is well known that floors of ancient oceans later rose to become mountains. That's how the marine fossils got to be on mountain tops. That's not evidence of a flood. The notion that the Andes and Himalayas were immersed is absurd. Simply not possible. Utterly laughable. THERE WAS NEVER ENOUGH WATER ON THE EARTH.

BTW, all your young earth evidence has been DEBUNKED. Here's one site that debunks your nonsense, and includes a perfectly logical explanation for your magic whale that doesn't require magic, pseudoscience or supernatural intervention.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgoo...
wojar wrote:
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Sorry loser, not merely my opinion. Young Earthers opinions do not reflect the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community.
Geologists and other legitimate scientists don't believe in the biblical great flood and in particular, do not believe that stratification in the Grand Canyon and other locations could possibly account for a young earth or that they developed because of an epoch flood. Sorry, the world's scientist do not share your delusion.
It is evident that you believe in a young earth as you pointed to a young earth web site claiming it had credible evidence of the great flood (of Noah). You believe in the Ark and the fable of Noah collecting all the animals from the face of the earth.
How do I lnow this? Because you claim this garbage is science: http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scien ...
here's a shorter URL to the same destination:
http://tinyurl.com/27jttzz
BTW, imbecile, no one was present at the big bang, or when the first living cell divided. This means scientific knowledge about earlier events is inaccessible? NONSENSE.
Only a theory? All science is based on theories constructed from observation, and when possible, experimentation. On the other hand, young earth claptrap is not a scientific theroy. It is pseudoscientific claptrap that attempts to masquerade as science and which appeals to ignorant gullible fools.
The theory of relativity is "only a theory"?
Chemiosmotic theory is "only a theory"?
The second law of thermodynamics is only a theory?
Grow up.
You have only delusions.
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160185 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Show me where I stated the Earth was 6,000 years old. The link was posted for the geological information it contained.
Sorry, you opened the door. The so-called evidence you linked to is presented in support of a 6000 year-old Earth via fake geology. Fake science is not legitimate science.
Sorry.
wojar wrote:
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Now that's a real joke. Mr. Great Flood Really Happened whines that rational criticism of pseudoscience is "too literal". His fantasies have no legs.

According to the scientific method, if hypotheses are falsified either through experimentation or observation, new hypotheses must be developed. The biblical great flood young Earth claptrap is simply not supported by the evidence. I'm really sorry if FALSE and DELUSIONAL is too literal for you. A deluge that immersed the entire Earth 4600 years ago is an impossibility. It physically could not have happened. There was never enough water on the earth. Young Earth is similarly impossible. Studies of protein and DNA sequences show evolution occurred over many millions of years, and that primates walked the earth over one million years ago. Chemical physics provides radioisotopic methods to date some minerals. Radiometric dating proves the Earth to be about 4.5 billion years old.

Speaking of too literal, your heroes' pseudoscience at earthage.org interpret the bible as literally as can be, with creation about 6000 years ago and Noah sailing through the great flood around 4600 years ago. You claimed it was science, Bozo. Too literal? My a$$.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160186 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Yes it is pretty simple. I think God is a little more focused on the battle between good and evil. Nice job of twisting, though.
How did I twist anything?

God says clearly in Leviticus that you may not enslave your countrymen but all others are fair game.

There just isn't any way around it.

He provided the part where you cant enslave your countrymen.

I provided the part where you are to enslave those of surrounding nations.

And if you believe the bible is the inspired word of God...then you have no choice but to agree.

These are God's RULES of slavery...a MANDATE from the all-father.

You can't change God's law because you perceive it as unimaginable.

Game-set-match

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160187 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Show me where I stated the Earth was 6,000 years old.
wojar wrote:
Speaking of too literal, your heroes' pseudoscience at earthage.org interpret the bible as literally as can be, with creation about 6000 years ago and Noah sailing through the great flood around 4600 years ago. You claimed it was science, Bozo. Too literal? My a$$.
I claimed LRS stated the Earth was 6,000 years old?

Where?

I said LRS **believes** the Earth is 6000 years old. That is why he believes the pseudoscience garbage at young earth web sites.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#160188 Jun 17, 2013
So Wojar, where did all that pesky blue water on Earth originate from anyway?
Comets and other cosmic debris zooming in at super-sonic speeds form outer-space?
And why does it look blue?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#160189 Jun 17, 2013
Hey Wojar,
So where do you think all that pesky blue water on Earth originated from anyway?
Comets and other cosmic debris hurtling in from outer space at super-sonic speeds?
It's not a trick question and one which remains a fundamental mystery to scientific researchers.
I'm going with the comets and asteroid theory myself.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160190 Jun 17, 2013
"Geologists assess theories by how well they fit data, and creationists evaluate facts by how well they fit their theories. This simple distinction frames an unbridgeable intellectual rift. Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge. "

GSA Today

http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/22...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160191 Jun 17, 2013
wojar wrote:
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I claimed LRS stated the Earth was 6,000 years old?
Where?
I said LRS **believes** the Earth is 6000 years old. That is why he believes the pseudoscience garbage at young earth web sites.
And I believe I told you, you were incorrect. Did I not? Word games now? Very childish indeed. But, to each his own.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160192 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why did the GSA have a series of seminars on the subject in which cases were made both for and against a great flood? These geologist came from all parts of the world. I suppose they are all delusional?
Yes the great biblical flood idiots are delusional.

"no geologic evidence of a global deluge"

Here's what the GSA's own publication has to say about it.

"Geologists assess theories by how well they fit data, and creationists evaluate facts by how well they fit their theories. This simple distinction frames an unbridgeable intellectual rift. Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge."
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160194 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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How did I twist anything?
God says clearly in Leviticus that you may not enslave your countrymen but all others are fair game.
There just isn't any way around it.
He provided the part where you cant enslave your countrymen.
I provided the part where you are to enslave those of surrounding nations.
And if you believe the bible is the inspired word of God...then you have no choice but to agree.
These are God's RULES of slavery...a MANDATE from the all-father.
You can't change God's law because you perceive it as unimaginable.
Game-set-match
You take the Bible too literally. To take this Biblical story and bring it, unchanged, into present day is ludicrous. You're reading interpretations that don't fit in today's world. See the conflict?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160195 Jun 17, 2013
GSA Today:

and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge

and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge

and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge

and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge

and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge

and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge

and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge

What part of 'no geologic evidence' does LRS not get?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160197 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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And I believe I told you, you were incorrect. Did I not? Word games now? Very childish indeed. But, to each his own.
And LRS is lying to himself.

"Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge."

And yet LRS believes in the Great Flood, despite "no geologic evidence" and he doesn't believe in a young Earth? I'm not gonna buy that bridge.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160198 Jun 17, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Yes the great biblical flood idiots are delusional.
"no geologic evidence of a global deluge"
Here's what the GSA's own publication has to say about it.
"Geologists assess theories by how well they fit data, and creationists evaluate facts by how well they fit their theories. This simple distinction frames an unbridgeable intellectual rift. Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge."
Once again, you assumed incorrectly. You think I'm trying to prove Noah's Flood when that simply isn't the case. Because of your assumptions, I don't think you've understood my point yet. See what I mean about that tunnel vision?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160199 Jun 17, 2013
Little LRS caught with his hand in the cookie jar: "No momma I was only lookin' at them I wasn't gonna take any. Cross my heart and hope to die!"

Young Earth creationist and birther. They go together so perfectly.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160202 Jun 17, 2013
Read completely or don't waste your time.

http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prAva...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160204 Jun 17, 2013
wojar wrote:
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And LRS is lying to himself.
"Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge."
And yet LRS believes in the Great Flood, despite "no geologic evidence" and he doesn't believe in a young Earth? I'm not gonna buy that bridge.
And again, you assume incorrectly. Really. Don't you know assumption will bite you everytime?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160205 Jun 17, 2013
"[C]reationists lack any independently supported geological evidence to support their views."
David R. Montgomery, Quaternary Research Center and Dept. of Earth and Space Sciences, Box 351310, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington

http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/22...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160206 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, you assumed incorrectly. You think I'm trying to prove Noah's Flood when that simply isn't the case. Because of your assumptions, I don't think you've understood my point yet. See what I mean about that tunnel vision?
I understand your fig leaf fell off. You're exposed as a liar and fool.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes the great biblical flood idiots are delusional.
"no geologic evidence of a global deluge"
Here's what the GSA's own publication has to say about it.
"Geologists assess theories by how well they fit data, and creationists evaluate facts by how well they fit their theories. This simple distinction frames an unbridgeable intellectual rift. Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge."
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160207 Jun 17, 2013
Before I head out for my ride, I want to thank you wojar, for taking my part in my +/-3 day experiment. Honestly, I didn't think it would work but to my surprise they were exactly right. Much light has been shed on our "little" thread. Thanks again wojar!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160208 Jun 17, 2013
*taking part in.....

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