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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160100 Jun 17, 2013
Obamas Birth Certificate wrote:
HUGE NUMBERS OF AMERICANS WANT CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE THIS ISSUE
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Ancient history. That WAS the situation two years ago, long before the election. There have been no recent polls.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160101 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Grateful for your comments on the following two Luke and Matthew and Jesus's approach to recruitment of apostles and his interpretation of peace and love. Why, Justice ha ha LRS may even chime in.
"If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" [Luke xiv. 26.] True happiness will come from following all of the teachings of Jesus."
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a, sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a man's foes they shall be of his own household." [Matthew x. 34-36.] Be prepared to meet resistance to the teachings of Jesus.
<quoted text>
I don't get it. You discuss well, you are obviously smart, with much knowledge yet, so often, I come up with questions and points that you simply ignore. You'll note, just go back and see, that I've addressed directly every question you posed and certainly the majority of your comments. I have showed no sentiments of hate to God or Jesus, but much doubt about those who wrote about God and Jesus and so-called "killed" in His name.
But, and I've reposted my post mentioning the recruitment of apostles, DID NOT MAKE UP OR INVENT the words of Luke and Matthews on how the apostles, to make it short, should not only abandon their families, but should hate them, as said by Jesus. Do you really believe that the God of love, charity, goodness, saidthat or did Luke and Matthews, for whatever reason, put words in HIS mouth?
This is my suggestion too you.

With an open heart and mind, which I believe you already possess, ask Jesus to reveal Himself.

Jesus is the door and all you have to do is knock.

The Apostles never abandoned their families.

That would be un-Godly if they did.

American Lady

Danville, KY

#160102 Jun 17, 2013
Kenya - foreign
obama father - foreign

obam BORN of a 'foreigner'
=
NOT a natural born citizen!

P~E~R~I~O~D

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160104 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Elijah obeyed GOD.
It is that simple.
God : "Thou shalt not kill"

God, amongst so many others, kills, murders 850 "false prophets". Is God above the very law that he decreed? God kills because men choose another God? I thought God created men free? Did you ever think that the killer Elijah simply had those "false" prophets murdered by his henchmen and again, as we read through the Old Testament, and blamed it on God? So convenient.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160105 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect.
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Leviticus 25:44-46
American Standard Version (ASV)
44 And as for thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, whom thou shalt have; of the nations that are round about you, of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they have begotten in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall ye take your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel ye shall not rule, one over another, with rigor.
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If that is not a mandate by God then what exactly are you calling it? You either don't read the bible or you are lying.
<quoted text>
Notice: "real to me" and granting life to an inanimate object.
Real to you doesn't make it real to anyone else.
Your killing me with laughter my friend.

LOL

Slavery is not mandated by GOD.

It was an accepted practice in ancient times.

I am sure a Jew would treat a slave fairly unlike the Egyptians.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160106 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
All humans have fee choice to do good or evil.
It is that simple.
The slaves have a choice? The baby born with AIDS and who is starving somewhere in Africa has a choice? Cripes, he doesn't even have the opportunity to knock at heaven's gate, he's not baptised. But, it's his fault, surely, as he/she "had a choice", as the slave did.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160107 Jun 17, 2013
American Lady wrote:
Kenya - foreign
obama father - foreign
obam BORN of a 'foreigner'
=
NOT a natural born citizen!
P~E~R~I~O~D
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. EVERY child born on US soil (as were Obama and Jindal and Rubio) is a Natural Born Citizen regardless of the citizenship of the parents.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

"Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

And there have now been NINE state court rulings on Obama alone, and one federal court ruling on Obama, and one more state court ruling on McCain. All TEN of them said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, and that the Wong Kim Ark case said that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law (as Meese also said), and that it referred to the place of birth (as Meese, Hatch and Graham all say), and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

For example:

Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling:“Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling:“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling:“It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling:“However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States.‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion."

Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling:“Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President.… Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160108 Jun 17, 2013

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160109 Jun 17, 2013
Churchlady wrote:
<quoted text>"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."
John 14:8-9
"I and the Father are one."
John 10:30
Jesus Christ is Lord of all forever.
Kenyan-born BHO is the son-of-perdition destined to the lake of fire for eternity.
John REPORTED that Jesus said that - 80 years later. Yeah.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160110 Jun 17, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
If your God makes a habit if ordering executions, you can keep him
GOD is Just, God is Love, and God is Forgiveness.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160111 Jun 17, 2013
Churchlady wrote:
<quoted text>Worse yet he was born a British Subject in KENYA before his Indonesian adoption as Moslem Barry Soetoro. Even worse he is using a stolen Social Security number and a forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate. I think Webley is right - Obama is the antichrist.
Obama was born in Hawaii, not in Kenya. His birth in Hawaii is shown by his Hawaii birth certificate---short form AND long form---and by the confirmation of the facts on it by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160112 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely False!
Jesus did more miracles than all the Prophets combined.
-------
John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Tell me this, then. Jesus healed cancers, headaches, folly, blindness, made talk who could not talk. Great. Did he ever grow a limb on someone? There were many amputees, but it is told nowhere that he re-grew lost or amputated limbs. Why? Because WILL is what cured these miserable wretches, they cured themselves, they believed in the healing power of Jesus. We see the same thing all over the place today, healings of all sorts of ailments, and not fakes either, they healed themselves. But so far no limbs restored.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160113 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
This is my suggestion too you.
With an open heart and mind, which I believe you already possess, ask Jesus to reveal Himself.
Jesus is the door and all you have to do is knock.
The Apostles never abandoned their families.
That would be un-Godly if they did.
That you have written the above makes you an apostate, as you have proved you do not believe in the New Testament. I quoted the gospel, the bible, the new Testament, which says exactly what I wrote, verbatim, Luke and Matthew. You deny it, you are an unbeliever. Perhaps that is the biggest sin of them all. Explain that one to St Peter when you come to the Pearly Gatea, that you did not believe Luke and Matthew.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160114 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
God : "Thou shalt not kill"
God, amongst so many others, kills, murders 850 "false prophets". Is God above the very law that he decreed? God kills because men choose another God? I thought God created men free? Did you ever think that the killer Elijah simply had those "false" prophets murdered by his henchmen and again, as we read through the Old Testament, and blamed it on God? So convenient.
You are taking everything out of context.

You seem to think GOD is the problem and the false prophets are good.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160115 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The slaves have a choice? The baby born with AIDS and who is starving somewhere in Africa has a choice? Cripes, he doesn't even have the opportunity to knock at heaven's gate, he's not baptised. But, it's his fault, surely, as he/she "had a choice", as the slave did.
Life is very unfair my friend.

Of course children are innocent and sickness and disease can strike anyone at anytime.

You are mixing Apples and Oranges.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160116 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me this, then. Jesus healed cancers, headaches, folly, blindness, made talk who could not talk. Great. Did he ever grow a limb on someone? There were many amputees, but it is told nowhere that he re-grew lost or amputated limbs. Why? Because WILL is what cured these miserable wretches, they cured themselves, they believed in the healing power of Jesus. We see the same thing all over the place today, healings of all sorts of ailments, and not fakes either, they healed themselves. But so far no limbs restored.
Once there was a king who had a beautiful orchard with splendid figs. He appointed two watchmen for his orchard. One watchman was lame, and the other one was blind.

One day the lame man said to the blind man:“I see beautiful figs in the orchard. Come, I will ride on your shoulders, and we’ll take them and eat them.” So the lame man rode on the shoulders of the blind man, and they took the fruits and ate them.

Some time after, the owner of the orchard came and inquired of them,“Where are those beautiful figs?” The lame man replied,“Have I feet to walk with?” The blind man replied,“Have I eyes to see with?”

What did the king do? He placed the lame watchman on the shoulders of the blind watchman, and judged them together.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160117 Jun 17, 2013
bbl

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160118 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely False!
Jesus did more miracles than all the Prophets combined.
-------
John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
You are telling me that Jesus did more in the three years before his execution than Elijah did in almost a millenium? Elijah broke the laws of physics on a weekly basis...he could do whatever he wanted and none could stand against him.

Sorry to disappoint but you need look no further than your own book.
Jesus was a retelling of Joseph.

I will provide scripture upon request but here are the obvious plagiarisms.

Joseph: Miracle birth
Jesus: Miracle birth

Joseph: Loved by his Father
Jesus: Loved by his father

Joseph: set apart from humanity
Jesus: set apart from humanity

Joseph: Announced he was to rule
Jesus: Announced he was to rule

Joseph: Sent by his father to his bretheran
Jesus: Sent by his father to his bretheran

Joseph: Mocked and hated by his bretheran (without cause)
Jesus: Mocked and hated by his bretheran (without cause)

Joseph: Obeyed his father
Jesus: Obeyed his father

Joseph: Bretheran refused to receive him
Jesus: Bretheran refused to receive him

Joseph: plot to kill him
Jesus: plot to kill him

Joseph: counsel to kill him
Jesus: counsel to kill him

Joseph: Had his coat taken
Jesus: Had his coat taken

Joseph: Delivered to authorities by his own (unjustly accused)
Jesus: Delivered to authorities by his own (unjustly accused)

Joseph: Brother sold him for 20 pieces of silver.
Jesus: Bretheran sold him for 30 pieces of silver

Joseph: put in the pit
Jesus: crucified

Joseph: Raised from the pit
Jesus: Raised from the dead

Joseph: Vanished
Jesus: Vanished

Joseph: was a blessing to others
Jesus: was a blessing to others

Joseph: Became a servant
Jesus: Became a servant

Joseph: Potiphar knew he was innocent but punished to keep up appearances to the pharoh
Jesus: Pilate found him innocent but punished him to keep up appearances to Ceasar.

Joseph: found favor in his jailer
Jesus: found favor in a roman centurion

Joseph: Blessing to the butler. Judgement to the baker.
Jesus: Crucified between two thieves one blessed...one judged.

Joseph: tempted by the world, the flesh, and the
devil, and he resisted.
Jesus: tempted by the world, the flesh, and the
devil, and he resisted.

Joseph: 30 years old when he stood before the pharaoh
Jesus: 30 years old before he began his ministry

Joseph: Emerged from prison to the right hand of the pharaoh
Jesus: Emerged from death to the right hand of the father

Joseph: received a gentile bride
Jesus: received a predominately gentile bride (the church)

Joseph: provider of bread
Jesus: provider of bread

Joseph: revealed to his bretheran
Jesus: revealed to his bretheran

Joseph: savior to the world
Jesus: savior to the world

ARE YOU SEEING A PATTERN EMERGE HERE?
To impeach the bible you need only a bible.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160119 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
GOD is Just, God is Love, and God is Forgiveness.
Tell it to the amalekites...if you can find one.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160120 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
You are taking everything out of context.
You seem to think GOD is the problem and the false prophets are good.
Yes,yes. Only believers can divine the true context of this very physical and simplistic book.

We do not think god is the problem any more than we blame those damn leprechauns.

It's his fan club that generally screws up the world.

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