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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160076 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:

<quoted text>
Grateful for your comments on the following two Luke and Matthew and Jesus's approach to recruitment of apostles and his interpretation of peace and love. Why, Justice ha ha LRS may even chime in.
"If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" [Luke xiv. 26.] True happiness will come from following all of the teachings of Jesus."
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a, sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a man's foes they shall be of his own household." [Matthew x. 34-36.] Be prepared to meet resistance to the teachings of Jesus.
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
The early Christians had to hide in catacombs/caves to worship and were thrown to the Lions at the Coliseum.
It is only be the GRACE OF GOD that Christianity grew and continued.
Most of the Apostles all died horrible and horrific deaths, because they would not deny that Jesus came back from the dead.
Look what you wrote and how hard it was to follow Jesus.
In many places in the world it is still very hard, the Middle East comes to mind.
I don't get it. You discuss well, you are obviously smart, with much knowledge yet, so often, I come up with questions and points that you simply ignore. You'll note, just go back and see, that I've addressed directly every question you posed and certainly the majority of your comments. I have showed no sentiments of hate to God or Jesus, but much doubt about those who wrote about God and Jesus and so-called "killed" in His name.

But, and I've reposted my post mentioning the recruitment of apostles, DID NOT MAKE UP OR INVENT the words of Luke and Matthews on how the apostles, to make it short, should not only abandon their families, but should hate them, as said by Jesus. Do you really believe that the God of love, charity, goodness, saidthat or did Luke and Matthews, for whatever reason, put words in HIS mouth?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160077 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you behave like a brat? I don't believe I made any such post about 6,000 years. Do you ever converse without calling the other person names? Your last sentence is close but not quite correct. Now, this is a known fact; only an ignorant fool thinks he has all the answers and only an arrogant, ignorant fool boasts about his own hype. Self-centeredness is an indication of other psychological instabilities of an individual.
You wrote, YOU actually wrote : "Do you ever converse without calling the other person names?"

Do you think that everyone here, right, centre, left, dem, repub, communist, Nazi, etc, suffers from brain damage, that all of us have huge memory losses? What's the sheep-like approach, you of the dumbazzbastards, dumbazzbitches (your idea of gender equality), butflappers and so many many more. It's all you've done since I've read your boorish profane posts here, never any answers, just filthy sexual innuendos, profanity and lies.

Are you even fooling yourself?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160078 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote, YOU actually wrote : "Do you ever converse without calling the other person names?"
Do you think that everyone here, right, centre, left, dem, repub, communist, Nazi, etc, suffers from brain damage, that all of us have huge memory losses? What's the sheep-like approach, you of the dumbazzbastards, dumbazzbitches (your idea of gender equality), butflappers and so many many more. It's all you've done since I've read your boorish profane posts here, never any answers, just filthy sexual innuendos, profanity and lies.
Are you even fooling yourself?
Now you seem angry as well. Where does this rage that lies just beneath the surface come from? I do not understand why one would allow so much anger to enter into their life. It cannot be healthy.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160079 Jun 17, 2013

Since: May 10

Loganville, GA

#160084 Jun 17, 2013
Some folks just can't handle the fact that there is a black man living in the WHITE house. Since black folk built it, it is time for black folk to live in it. Get over it all you haters. .

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160087 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Enclosed is something for you to ponder.
If there is no GOD then I do not lose anything, nothing.
BUT, IF, there is a GOD?
That is the question.
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James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.
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I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
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Ahh Pascal's wager...

This is a cheap kind of used car salesman tactic.

Hey...We've got a great offer for you, what do you have to lose?
Just lie to yourself a little...

Don't speak to people like that, and don't call it piety when you do.

I will not live life as a serf for modern mythology.

Here is something for YOU to ponder....

If we do meet a god at the end...who do you think carries the most charisma here?

Me? Who says...."Well boss, you didn't give enough evidence to satisfy our cognitive faculties. I was honestly unable to believe in the claims made by your human spokesman."

OR

You? Who says...."I have lived my life wagering on this very possibility!"

You don't think a god who can convict you of thought crime would know WHY you pretended?

I think my honesty beats your hedging your bets every day of the week.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160089 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>Ahh Pascal's wager...

This is a cheap kind of used car salesman tactic.

Hey...We've got a great offer for you, what do you have to lose?
Just lie to yourself a little...

Don't speak to people like that, and don't call it piety when you do.

I will not live life as a serf for modern mythology.

Here is something for YOU to ponder....

If we do meet a god at the end...who do you think carries the most charisma here?

Me? Who says...."Well boss, you didn't give enough evidence to satisfy our cognitive faculties. I was honestly unable to believe in the claims made by your human spokesman."

OR

You? Who says...."I have lived my life wagering on this very possibility!"

You don't think a god who can convict you of thought crime would know WHY you pretended?

I think my honesty beats your hedging your bets every day of the week.
Strange what some people try to pass off as faith. "If there is a God I'm covered ..."
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160090 Jun 17, 2013
Re: "AND due to the fact Obama was born in Kenya..."

Answer: That is truly a nutty idea. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government has said that it investigated and that Obama and his mother were not among them.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160091 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Elijah was a prototype of JESUS.
Could be said of Melchizedek also, or even all the Prophets are a type of JESUS.
The difference is the nature of JESUS was Human and God and HE never sinned.
GOD found favor with Elijah and made him an example for when HE sends HIS only SON.
No...Joseph is the prototype for Jesus. It is the SAME STORY...practically plagiarism.

God found favor with a lot of people AND gave them superpowers that dwarfed Jesus' abilities.

Jesus tells you over and over again that he is not god.

The Bible is riddled with Jesus distinctly separating himself from his father.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160092 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh Pascal's wager...
This is a cheap kind of used car salesman tactic.
Hey...We've got a great offer for you, what do you have to lose?
Just lie to yourself a little...
Don't speak to people like that, and don't call it piety when you do.
I will not live life as a serf for modern mythology.
Here is something for YOU to ponder....
If we do meet a god at the end...who do you think carries the most charisma here?
Me? Who says...."Well boss, you didn't give enough evidence to satisfy our cognitive faculties. I was honestly unable to believe in the claims made by your human spokesman."
OR
You? Who says...."I have lived my life wagering on this very possibility!"
You don't think a god who can convict you of thought crime would know WHY you pretended?
I think my honesty beats your hedging your bets every day of the week.
We are engaged in a Spiritual War my friend.

I am not selling anything.

I am just stating what I believe in.

When I meet GOD I will say: Be Merciful Too Me A Sinner.

That is honesty in my book.

==========

Ephesians 6:10-17

The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160093 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
No...Joseph is the prototype for Jesus. It is the SAME STORY...practically plagiarism.
God found favor with a lot of people AND gave them superpowers that dwarfed Jesus' abilities.
Jesus tells you over and over again that he is not god.
The Bible is riddled with Jesus distinctly separating himself from his father.
Absolutely False!

Jesus did more miracles than all the Prophets combined.

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John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160095 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Elijah was a cold-blooded killer and assassin. In one fell swoop, he murdered 850 "false" prophets. Murdered. Yet he figures in the transfiguration and supposedly thrones at the right of Jesus. Another human invention, not Jesus's, not God.
Elijah obeyed GOD.

It is that simple.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160096 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You just incredibly wrote : "Now, if humans had slaves because of FREE CHOICE"...Whose free choice? The slaves'? And it's ok for Jesus and the Bible to condone slavery because slave owners had slaves and it was their free choice?
All humans have fee choice to do good or evil.

It is that simple.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#160097 Jun 17, 2013
Social Conservatives Still Control the GOP
[Despite worries that their focus on abortion and gay marriage is a liability for Republicans, they're as well-organized, vigilant, and powerful as ever.]
Full story: www.theatlantic.com
[http://www.theatlantic.com/po litics/archive/2013/06/social- conservatives-still-control-th e-gop/276910/]

The problem is not that evangelicals' political participation is declining. It's that the gap between what they believe and what everyone else does is growing wider

Despite worries that their focus on abortion and gay marriage is a liability for Republicans, they're as well-organized, vigilant, and powerful as ever.

**Ever since Republicans got clobbered in the last election, some have suggested they dial back some of their hard stances in the culture war. The College Republicans, for example, commissioned a study that concluded that young voters see the party as fusty and old-fashioned, and urged it to get with the times on issues such as gay marriage.

http://www.topix.com/forum/us/TISCENPRR2CJMPG...

**Ever since Republicans got clobbered in the last election ...
``````````

WE did not get clobbered!
WE had FRAUD used AGAINST US!

THE BIG LIST OF VOTE FRAUD REPORTS

“Out of 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 vote cards were cast in St. Lucie County, Florida, on Tuesday”

“Colorado counties have more voters than people”
[Smooth move vote counters :)]

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vo...
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vo...

Second defendant admits guilt in ballot petition case
April 09, 2013|By ERIN BLASKO

SOUTH BEND - A second person has admitted guilt in the ballot petition case involving Butch Morgan and other former county Democratic Party members.

Pam Brunette pleaded guilty Tuesday to one count of Class C felony forgery, one count of Class D felony official misconduct and one count of Class D felony falsifying a petition.

The four defendants were charged in January following a joint investigation by The Tribune and Howey Politics Indiana into alleged fraud involving petitions to place Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the state primary ballot in 2008.

http://articles.southbendtribune.com/2013-04-...

UPDATE: Morgan, Blythe guilty on all counts
April 25, 2013|By ERIN BLASKO

SOUTH BEND -- Guilty. On all counts.

That was the verdict late Thursday in the forgery trial involving former chair of the county Democratic Party Butch Morgan and party member Dustin Blythe, who were accused of conspiring to forge signatures on petitions to place Democratic candidates[obama & clinton] on the state primary ballot in 2008.

http://articles.southbendtribune.com/2013-04-...
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#160098 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>Elijah obeyed GOD.

It is that simple.
If your God makes a habit if ordering executions, you can keep him

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#160099 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, Slavery is NOT mandated by GOD.
Incorrect.
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Leviticus 25:44-46
American Standard Version (ASV)
44 And as for thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, whom thou shalt have; of the nations that are round about you, of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they have begotten in your land: and they shall be your possession.

46 And ye shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall ye take your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel ye shall not rule, one over another, with rigor.
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If that is not a mandate by God then what exactly are you calling it? You either don't read the bible or you are lying.
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Secondly, JESUS is more real too me because the Scriptures pulsates with LIFE and is NOT a dead book.
Notice: "real to me" and granting life to an inanimate object.

Real to you doesn't make it real to anyone else.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#160100 Jun 17, 2013
Obamas Birth Certificate wrote:
HUGE NUMBERS OF AMERICANS WANT CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE THIS ISSUE
http://www.wnd.com/...
Ancient history. That WAS the situation two years ago, long before the election. There have been no recent polls.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160101 Jun 17, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Grateful for your comments on the following two Luke and Matthew and Jesus's approach to recruitment of apostles and his interpretation of peace and love. Why, Justice ha ha LRS may even chime in.
"If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" [Luke xiv. 26.] True happiness will come from following all of the teachings of Jesus."
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a, sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a man's foes they shall be of his own household." [Matthew x. 34-36.] Be prepared to meet resistance to the teachings of Jesus.
<quoted text>
I don't get it. You discuss well, you are obviously smart, with much knowledge yet, so often, I come up with questions and points that you simply ignore. You'll note, just go back and see, that I've addressed directly every question you posed and certainly the majority of your comments. I have showed no sentiments of hate to God or Jesus, but much doubt about those who wrote about God and Jesus and so-called "killed" in His name.
But, and I've reposted my post mentioning the recruitment of apostles, DID NOT MAKE UP OR INVENT the words of Luke and Matthews on how the apostles, to make it short, should not only abandon their families, but should hate them, as said by Jesus. Do you really believe that the God of love, charity, goodness, saidthat or did Luke and Matthews, for whatever reason, put words in HIS mouth?
This is my suggestion too you.

With an open heart and mind, which I believe you already possess, ask Jesus to reveal Himself.

Jesus is the door and all you have to do is knock.

The Apostles never abandoned their families.

That would be un-Godly if they did.

American Lady

Danville, KY

#160102 Jun 17, 2013
Kenya - foreign
obama father - foreign

obam BORN of a 'foreigner'
=
NOT a natural born citizen!

P~E~R~I~O~D

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#160104 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Elijah obeyed GOD.
It is that simple.
God : "Thou shalt not kill"

God, amongst so many others, kills, murders 850 "false prophets". Is God above the very law that he decreed? God kills because men choose another God? I thought God created men free? Did you ever think that the killer Elijah simply had those "false" prophets murdered by his henchmen and again, as we read through the Old Testament, and blamed it on God? So convenient.

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