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#160145 Jun 17, 2013
He is right LRS.

The global flood myth is primarily invoked to defend young Earth creationism.

The water vapor in our atmosphere is directly related to temperature of the atmosphere. The hotter it is...the more water vapor it will support.

There is a staggering 37.5 million billion gallons of water in the Earth's atmosphere at any given time.

As huge as that number sounds...if all the water vapor the Earth possesses condensed simultaneously it would cover the Earth with 2.5cm of rain. Or 1 inch if you aren't feeling metric. That includes land and sea.

It may ruin a picnic, but flood the Earth...hardly.

It is just impossible.

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#160146 Jun 17, 2013
Hey Jacqueau, one of your buddies is on the run!

California professor and alleged killer added to FBI's 'Most Wanted' list
By David Ingram, Reuters: 06/17/2013

WASHINGTON - The FBI added two people on Monday to its list of most-wanted fugitives: a Mexican laborer accused of killing a woman in Louisiana and a former university professor charged with committing sex crimes in the Philippines.
The FBI is offering $100,000 for information leading to the arrests of the men, who are the 499th and 500th fugitives to be featured on the Ten Most Wanted list.
Walter Lee Williams, 64, was an anthropology and gender studies professor at the University of Southern California. He left in 2011, an FBI spokeswoman said.
Using academic research as a guise, Williams traveled in the Philippines and elsewhere in Southeast Asia to have sex with boys who were underage, according to the FBI. The bureau said it had identified 10 victims between ages 9 and 17.
"Mr. Williams allegedly utilized his position to identify at-risk youth for the purpose of sexually exploiting them and documenting those events," FBI Assistant Director Ronald Hosko said at a news conference in Washington.
Williams may have lived in Indonesia and Thailand and traveled to Mexico and Peru, the FBI said.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci...

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#160147 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
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Absolutely False!
Jesus did more miracles than all the Prophets combined.
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John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Tell me this, then. Jesus healed cancers, headaches, folly, blindness, made talk who could not talk. Great. Did he ever grow a limb on someone? There were many amputees, but it is told nowhere that he re-grew lost or amputated limbs. Why? Because WILL is what cured these miserable wretches, they cured themselves, they believed in the healing power of Jesus. We see the same thing all over the place today, healings of all sorts of ailments, and not fakes either, they healed themselves. But so far no limbs restored.
Did not Jesus reattach the ear of servant!?!

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And, behold, one of them who was with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#160148 Jun 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
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Your premises are totally false except for your last sentence.
The Hebrews did kill many Prophets of GOD but it was the sins of all Humankind that killed JESUS who NEVER SINNED BTW.
Thomas Paine once said “Reason obeys itself and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it”

If you would prefer to believe the ramblings of unknown ancient ignorants in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary so be it. After reading many of your posts what’s obvious to this reader at least is that your mind is set in stone on this issue and I suppose that’s what faith is all about.

Personally I fancy trusting in myself and relying on my own experiences. That way I can’t be fooled into following another’s dictates. Personally I would have told Moses he was full of shit. If the gods wanted the children of Israel to know a thing, he would have spoken for himself.

“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires”
-- Susan B Anthony

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#160149 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
He is right LRS.
The global flood myth is primarily invoked to defend young Earth creationism.
The water vapor in our atmosphere is directly related to temperature of the atmosphere. The hotter it is...the more water vapor it will support.
There is a staggering 37.5 million billion gallons of water in the Earth's atmosphere at any given time.
As huge as that number sounds...if all the water vapor the Earth possesses condensed simultaneously it would cover the Earth with 2.5cm of rain. Or 1 inch if you aren't feeling metric. That includes land and sea.
It may ruin a picnic, but flood the Earth...hardly.
It is just impossible.
Again, you may believe in the literal translation of the Bible or the allegorical translation. Indeed, much of what happened before Abraham is probably just that, allegorical and nothing more.
It is like telling a three year old how his mother got pregnant! How do you explain things to people who are illiterate sheep herders?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160150 Jun 17, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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1. Merely your opinion
2. You concluded incorrectly
3. You don't know what my beliefs are.
4. You did not witness the "beginning"
5. At some point life came from non-life
6. You have only a theory, nothing more
7. Number six is a fact
Sorry loser, not merely my opinion. Young Earthers opinions do not reflect the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community.

Geologists and other legitimate scientists don't believe in the biblical great flood and in particular, do not believe that stratification in the Grand Canyon and other locations could possibly account for a young earth or that they developed because of an epoch flood. Sorry, the world's scientist do not share your delusion.

It is evident that you believe in a young earth as you pointed to a young earth web site claiming it had credible evidence of the great flood (of Noah). You believe in the Ark and the fable of Noah collecting all the animals from the face of the earth.

How do I lnow this? Because you claim this garbage is science: http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scien...

here's a shorter URL to the same destination:
http://tinyurl.com/27jttzz

BTW, imbecile, no one was present at the big bang, or when the first living cell divided. This means scientific knowledge about earlier events is inaccessible? NONSENSE.

Only a theory? All science is based on theories constructed from observation, and when possible, experimentation. On the other hand, young earth claptrap is not a scientific theroy. It is pseudoscientific claptrap that attempts to masquerade as science and which appeals to ignorant gullible fools.

The theory of relativity is "only a theory"?

Chemiosmotic theory is "only a theory"?

The second law of thermodynamics is only a theory?

Grow up.

You have only delusions.
wojar wrote:
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I'm sorry a bunch of bible thumping hillbillies, some with bible college degrees, spouting pseudoscience does not qualify as a scientific community. The consensus of the scientific community says you're FOS.
Secondly, I never read into you comment that you said the earth is 6000 years old. I concluded that you **believe** the earth is 6000 years old, and you do.
First sentence of your "scientific" web site that you posted as the source of the true evidence about the great BIBLICAL flood:
“Let's not kid ourselves. What this is all about is whether or not the Old Testament book of Genesis (along with the rest of the Old Testament, and the New Testament) is an accurate account of what happened around 4600 years ago with regard to a worldwide flood, and about 6000 years ago, with regard to Creation itself.”
So don't kid yourself. No one believes you are not head over heels in love with creationism, Noah, the Ark, Adam the first man created immortal who became mortal after "sin," evidence be damned.
There is NO EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF THAT. You are welcome to believe it, but puh-lease don't call it science.

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#160151 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Soooo, how old was John when Jesus died? Assuming John and Jesus were about the same age, John wrote that when he was 113 years old???
Lol...hows things Rouge?

John did not live at the same time Jesus did. There were no witnesses that wrote a single book of the bible.

No scholar biblical or otherwise debates this that I know of.

Paul didn't start traveling till 3 or 4 decades after the death of Jesus.

The earliest even partial gospel that has been found dates at least a century after the death of Jesus. Even apologists give it 80-90 years.

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#160152 Jun 17, 2013
wojar wrote:
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It's your racism that makes you so angry.
Justice LRS wrote: 159323
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I fire back. Got a problem with it? Didn't think so you disgustingly fat, unwashed, uncut, uneducated dumbazz. LMAO! Garther Birks LMAO!
Justice LRS wrote:
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Why didn't you say anything about your "daddy" riding you bareback nightly as a child? HaHaHaHa
Justice LRS wrote:
The creampie your brother left in your azzcrack is dripping on the floor. Wet rag? LMAO!
Justice LRS wrote:
Can you even lift your soiled obese azz off the toilet anymore or have you grown roots? nasty skank
Here is another BLACK one. Does this bother you too?

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#160153 Jun 17, 2013
In fact the earliest gospel is Mark...and in the original text states...
(paraphrase)

The women went to Jesus' tomb and saw a man who told them that Jesus had risen and they were to go and tell the diciples to meet him in Galilee. They became afraid, ran away and told no one.

END OF BOOK

You can imagine the headaches this caused in the religious community.

The last 12 verses were added to ease this problem around 1000 AD.

If you take the time to read them...its hard to tell if this helps or hinders the book.

I will say this...the church owes a bunch of dead snake handlers a serious appology.

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#160154 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Soooo, how old was John when Jesus died? Assuming John and Jesus were about the same age, John wrote that when he was 113 years old???
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol...hows things Rouge?
John did not live at the same time Jesus did. There were no witnesses that wrote a single book of the bible.
No scholar biblical or otherwise debates this that I know of.
Paul didn't start traveling till 3 or 4 decades after the death of Jesus.
The earliest even partial gospel that has been found dates at least a century after the death of Jesus. Even apologists give it 80-90 years.
Sooooo, a third of Earth's population is wrong? What exactly do you have against the Bible? Does the Bible conflict with your sexual deviant behaviour?

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#160155 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Again, you may believe in the literal translation of the Bible or the allegorical translation. Indeed, much of what happened before Abraham is probably just that, allegorical and nothing more.
It is like telling a three year old how his mother got pregnant! How do you explain things to people who are illiterate sheep herders?
Agreed. There undeniably was some sort of overflow of a river. The original flood story was Sumerian. It was very practical- no laws of nature broken. Simply riding out a bad storm in a boat.

Makes you wonder why Yahweh would choose this barbaric illiterate pocket of bronze age desert...and not choose say...China.

You know...where people could read, write and think.

We would most likely have a much more original mistake free text.

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#160156 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Soooo, how old was John when Jesus died? Assuming John and Jesus were about the same age, John wrote that when he was 113 years old???
<quoted text>
Sooooo, a third of Earth's population is wrong? What exactly do you have against the Bible? Does the Bible conflict with your sexual deviant behaviour?
No. No one thinks the people who lived along side Jesus wrote the bible.
John was written about 120 AD Jesus died about 33 AD.

I don't have an issue with the bible as a piece of literature.

I have a problem with bull shit.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160157 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Again, you may believe in the literal translation of the Bible or the allegorical translation. Indeed, much of what happened before Abraham is probably just that, allegorical and nothing more.
It is like telling a three year old how his mother got pregnant! How do you explain things to people who are illiterate sheep herders?
The real problem is that no allegory can suffice for the quandary of evolution. The entire premise of Christianity is that Jesus came down from Heaven to ransom sinful man, stained from generation to generation because of the sin of Adam & Eve. It is believed by the faithful that 'original sin' is transmitted (almost like a genetic disease) from generation to generation. Thus a single mating pair tainted by sin brought death into the world. "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death...." Romans 5:12. Of course, if Adam and Eve evolved, each having had parents who lived and died, and if he had brothers and sisters and cousins and contemporaries, the whole myth blows up. Adam's mother was not human? How are his brothers responsible for Adam's sin? Adam's parents were mortal and Adam immortal, until he sinned? So then his special DNA then reverted back to mortal form? It simply fails.

But if there is no original sin, there is no need for a Savior and the ransom story goes down the drain. There is no need for resurrection to overcome death and sin because death was not caused by sin. As soon as evolution is accepted, traditional theology crumbles. Indeed, when Pope Emeritus Benedict was a theology professor he said that original sin poses the greatest problem to modern theology. But if you want to believe in Adam & Eve fables, the great flood and Noah's Ark, go ahead, and you may as well throw in Santa. Don't forget to leave milk and cookies on the fireplace on Christmas Eve and a few morsels for the Easter Bunny next Spring.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#160158 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, you may believe in the literal translation of the Bible or the allegorical translation. Indeed, much of what happened before Abraham is probably just that, allegorical and nothing more.
It is like telling a three year old how his mother got pregnant! How do you explain things to people who are illiterate sheep herders?
I've mentioned being "too literal" several times but it seems to go in one ear and out the other.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#160159 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Soooo, how old was John when Jesus died? Assuming John and Jesus were about the same age, John wrote that when he was 113 years old???
<quoted text>
Sooooo, a third of Earth's population is wrong? What exactly do you have against the Bible? Does the Bible conflict with your sexual deviant behaviour?
When primitive men believed in volcano gods, all were wrong. BTW, if 1/3 of the world believes in Christianity then 2/3 do not believe in it. So 2/3 of the Earth's population is wrong? I think you should see the folly of polling for truth.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160160 Jun 17, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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Thomas Paine once said “Reason obeys itself and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it”
If you would prefer to believe the ramblings of unknown ancient ignorants in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary so be it. After reading many of your posts what’s obvious to this reader at least is that your mind is set in stone on this issue and I suppose that’s what faith is all about.
Personally I fancy trusting in myself and relying on my own experiences. That way I can’t be fooled into following another’s dictates. Personally I would have told Moses he was full of shit. If the gods wanted the children of Israel to know a thing, he would have spoken for himself.
“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires”
-- Susan B Anthony
There is nothing wrong in trusting in yourself and your experiences.

I trust in myself and rely on my own experiences also.

If you were running from pharaoh's army on dry land through the parting sea, I would have my doubts about you telling Moses he is full of it.

Lets be honest.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160161 Jun 17, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely False!
Jesus did more miracles than all the Prophets combined.
-------
John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.<quoted text>
Did not Jesus reattach the ear of servant!?!
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And, behold, one of them who was with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.
Thank you and more thank you.

You just proved our friend Jacques wrong.
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160162 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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It's kind of an up hill battle Wojar.
Although modern biology, geology, astronomy, archaeology and physics has failed to convince them otherwise....seeing someone roll around on the floor blathering like an idiot may be all the proof they need for christianity.
If they don't value logic and evidence...well, you can't fix stupid.
Not that I am calling all believers stupid. But young Earth creationist are inherently impaired.
No thinking man or woman could possibly believe this unless they are by definition...delusional.
Now...if you will excuse me I have a quick sacrifice to make to the giant turtle that carries the Earth on its back.
bbl

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#160163 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
No. No one thinks the people who lived along side Jesus wrote the bible.
John was written about 120 AD Jesus died about 33 AD.
I don't have an issue with the bible as a piece of literature.
I have a problem with bull shit.
And the real reason why you think the Bible is "shit"? Does it conflict with your sexuality?
Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#160164 Jun 17, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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Leviticus 25:44-46
American Standard Version (ASV)
44 And as for thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, whom thou shalt have; of the nations that are round about you, of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they have begotten in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall ye take your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel ye shall not rule, one over another, with rigor.
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I do try and keep a sense of humor. I am glad that you can appreciate it.
You didn't answer the question.
Are you telling us that god did not say this?
Or are you telling us that he didn't know any better because that was a long time ago?
If you are saying this is not the divine word of god...fair enough. You can throw your bible away now.
If you are saying he didn't know any better...fair enough.
What kind of god are you worshiping here?
Please enlighten us as to how you may justly and fairly own another human being. Really...I am dreadfully curious.
While you are at it....try not to redefine slaves as employees.
Employees can walk away. There is no "pay" in slavery. THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT SLAVERY!
Grab some courage and tell us which it is.
Thank you in advance.
Your very welcome my friend.

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Exodus 21:16 states,“Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.” God not only forbids slavery, He gives them the death penalty for it. That’s how serious God sees slavery as. Slavery is no different than kidnapping to God.

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Leviticus 25:39-43 says,“If a countryman of yours becomes so poor with regard to you that he sells himself to you, you shall not subject him to a slave’s service. He shall be with you as a hired man, as if he were a sojourner; he shall serve with you until the year of jubilee. He shall then go out from you, he and his sons with him, and shall go back to his family, that he may return to the property of his forefathers. For they are My servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt; they are not to be sold in a slave sale. You shall not rule over him with severity, but are to revere your God.” Here God says that a poor person sells their self to get out of debt but they are not to be subjected to them in service as a slave. They are also be freed after the year of the Jubilee. God calls them “My servants” and they are not to be sold in a slave sale. How clear is that?

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The New Testament on Slavery

Paul speaks about slavery in the New Testament. The Romans were big on slaves but Paul clearly did not like it. In 1 Corinthians 7:21-23 he writes,“Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave. You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.” Paul said that “if you can gain your freedom, do so” and in verse 23 he says,“do not become slaves of human beings.” There is little doubt Paul detested slavery and wanted everyone to get out of it as soon as possible and desired no one to live in slavery.

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