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Very True the Catholic Church did give us the scriptures along with the sages of Judaism.
The same themes and meanings would be more appropriate than interpretations.
My bad.
The Prophets of Judaism.

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National Review's Rich Lowry Destroys MSNBC's Rachel Madcow on Meet
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I wonder if this has anything to do with Obama's administration? Eric Holder? If it is, it will be very bad for both as the press is already pissed off over other issues.
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CBS confirms Ben[g]hazi reporter's computer tampered with By Associated Press June 14, 2013

NEW YORK (AP)-- Private investigators found that CBS News Washington reporter Sharyl Attkisson's computer was tampered with multiple times late last year, the network said Friday.

CBS said an intruder, working remotely using Attkisson's accounts, executed commands involving the search and filtering of data. The network said it is taking further steps to identify the intruder and how that person gained access to her computer.

CBS hired a cybersecurity firm to conduct the analysis. Attkisson, an investigative reporter who has worked at CBS since 1995, said three weeks ago that she thought someone had tampered with her computers.

In an interview with Philadelphia's WPHT radio on May 21, Attkisson said "there could be some relationship" between what has happened to her and to James Rosen, the chief Washington correspondent for Fox News Channel. In what appeared to be a leak investigation, law enforcement officials obtained a search warrant to obtain some of Rosen's private emails and tracked his comings and goings from the State Department.
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During a commercial airline flight an experienced Air Force Pilot was seated next to a young mother with a babe in arms. When the baby began crying during the descent for landing, the mother began nursing the infant as discreetly as possible.

The pilot pretended not to notice, and, upon disembarking, he gallantly offered his assistance to help with the various baby-related items.

When the young mother expressed her gratitude, the pilot responded, "Gosh, that's a good looking baby, and he sure was hungry!"

Somewhat embarrassed, the mother explained that her paediatrician said that the time spent on the breast would help alleviate the pressure in the baby's ears.

The Air Force Pilot sadly shook his head, and in true pilot fashion exclaimed, "And all these years,

I've been chewing gum."

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The point being, the jpg image Obama put on the internet in no way looks like any other copy of anyone elses CoLB!
What a clumsy dodge. Rouge cannot come up with any plausible comment in item 23 that could possibly negate the recorded data of a hospital birth with the delivering physician's signature on the document. The data at HDoH matches the data in the pdf, including the physician's signature. If it is Rouge's theory that item 23 comments were to the effect that he was not born at Kapiolani but rather in Kenya and that the delivering physician was mistaken, then let's hear the theory. The fact is Rouge's fantasy is a non-starter.

It simply is not possible for the data in items 1 - 22 to "match" the original record if the birth occurred in Kenya; unless you're on LSD.

The point, Rouge, is that your item 23 fantasies are absurd. The original record includes Ann Dunham Obama's signature dated August 7, 1961, when she was at Kapiolani, and David A. Sinclair's signature dated August 8. HDoH has verified these facts. Now what comments in item 23 could negate these facts? An evil twin of Ann Dunham actually gave birth to a different mixed-race child at Kapiolani? Evil Grannie laced Dr. Sinclair's tea with LSD and he hallucinated the entire birth, as did other staff at the hospital?

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Rouge is still avoiding his problem with item 23. Does he fancy that item 23 contains a statement that David A. Sinclair, M. D., was high on LSD and hallucinated the birth of BO on August 4, 1961, and that the child was really born in Kenya? And does Rouge believe the hospital clerk who typed in the information was on hallucinogens as well?
Rouge does not seem to comprehend that there are no possible comments that could have ever been in item 23 that would have invalidated items 7a, 7b, 7c,(place of birth) and the doctor's signature. "Oops it was all a joke and he was really born in Kenya" doesn't cut it in the real world. What world is Rouge from?

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The TRUE nature of JESUS is GOD and HUMAN.
JESUS was around at the beginning.
He even said to the Pharisees before Abraham was, I AM.
Key Word: US
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26 Then God said,“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.

Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"

Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?

Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.

You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?

Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?

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Amen AL.
One little tweak: Many Americans are still waiting for liberty and justice for all.
The Congress/Wall Street has the deck stacked against 99% of our citizenry.
And then how did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make it? How did a ghetto boy like Colon Powell become a four-star general? How did Bill Clinton come from the sticks of Arkansas and make it to the White House?
Here in America, you can do about anything you are capable of.

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<quoted text> Obama's just a plain hypocrite and fool. Obama's followers are just plain fools,and hypocrites. The people that idolize Obama are the same people that complained about Bush,Obama is ten times worst than Bush,yet they won't say one word. Obama lied every time he opened his mouth,but those that idolize him continue to follow him blindly. Obama himself complained when the unemployment rate raised above 4.5 under Bush,yet it has never gone down under Obama. There are currently twice as many people with out jobs ad twice as many people on welfare than there were prior to the time Obama was elected to the Senate in 2006.
Unemployment rate in Feb 2009, ONE month after Obama took office : 8.3%

Unemployment rate 9 months after Obama took office, Oct 2009 : 10%

Are you clueless to the point that you think those are Obama's numbers? Everything crashed in the fall of 2008, starting in August 2008. The 8.3 and 10% unemployment numbers are but a consequence of GWB's last disastrous year as president that almost bankrupted the United States.

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Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"
Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?
Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.
You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?
Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?
And that is were faith comes in! But it is sad that you will believe in Global Warming even though the Earth has been cooling for the past dozen years!

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Population bottleneck analysis of the human genome has revealed that humans emerged as a group, thousands of them. There was never a population bottleneck as extreme as a single mating pair. The single mating pair story is exactly that, a story.
The DNA evidence from both the human genome and the chimpanzee genome unequivocally establishes that both species are descended from a common ancestor. The biblical account of first humans being immortal but who became mortal after 'sin' is simply busted. If there were a first human, whether you call that person Adam or Eve, all of their cousins, brothers, sisters, and clan members were non-human? And Adam's mother was not human? Nonsense. The data makes it a dead cinch conclusion. The born immortal Adam and Eve first human mating pair story is a myth.
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Or do many of us believe in Divine Intervention. Whether we came from chimps or some other primate is not material. At some point we became human. So it took God billions of years to create us, so what?
How long is one of God's minutes, days, month, etc.? First he "caused" some one cell animal or plant to begin life and they evolved through God's design to become mammals and then primates and then man.
How is it that Earth has all it needs to make life flourish? We have the right amount of sunlight, water, air, earth, plants, etc. And none of it has any explanation. NONE!
Thank you.

Rouge: "Whether we came from chimps or some other primate is not material. At some point we became human."

Indeed, at some point humans emerged. However, humans did not emerge from a single specially created couple per Adam and Eve myth. So thank you for admitting that the literal story of Adam & Eve is myth and literally false.

How is it that the earth has everything to sustain life? Duh! There could be millions of planets in the universe that can sustain life.

We have "the right amount"? None of it has any explanation? Billions and billions and billions of galaxies each with billions and billions and billions of stars, and a planet like Earth, needs a special explanation? The real question is how could a universe so vast not support life on many of its planets.

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You didn't check out the link did you? I never mentioned "Catholics". I base my beliefs on my life experiences and how those experiences correlate with what the Bible teaches. Why would anyone base a "belief" on man? Man is inherently flawed. My beliefs have never changed. If one's beliefs change regularly then they have no foundation on which to build. "You shan't criticize it"? You have and still do. What are you talking about? My beliefs have been reinforced through life experiences. I'm far from perfect just as any man is. That is why I ask God for forgiveness each day (nearly). People either believe or they don't. It really is as simple as that. Tell me, have you ever known a junkie and seen the relentless desire and craving for a fix?
To think you'd walk right into it by writing : "Why would anyone base a "belief" on man?" Then tell me, who wrote ALL of the Scriptures? God?

I do not subscribe to any religion as they are all flawed and mostly violent and anti-female. That's because man made them that way. Not God.
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Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"
Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?
Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.
You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?
Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?
Why do you work so hard at trying to disprove something that can't be disproved? If you don't agree then say so and move on, instead of trying to belittle people about their beliefs. Think about how petty that is.

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The Science complements and endorses much of the bible.
Even the highest Mountain peaks have fossils embedded from the flood, which many religions all attest to.
Maybe a tree in the Garden of Eden had many rings inside it and was there for millions of years?
Maybe Adam & Eve were hairy apelike Humans?
The Science had the earth as flat at one time in history and many other assumptions.
It makes sense too me when taken the whole totality of the Bible and compare it with science.
The Apostles all died horrible deaths all because they Refuse to say JESUS did not come back from the dead.
They saw HIM come back.
That is a good enough reason for me.
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The Science complements and endorses much of the bible. "

It does? Then explain how the creator of heaven and earth had the sun stopped in its tracks, stopped its orbit so Joshua could continue slaughtering men women and children with the help of prolonged daylight. And before you begin explaining, remember that the Bible is the word of God. Canonized. There is no time frame of knowledge for God.
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Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"
Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?
Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.
You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?
Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?
JESUS was Human is ALL WAYS except for Sin. He did not sin and only GOD can do that.

Of course God was against the Crusaders, Inquisition, etc... God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

There is an old saying Jacques my friend.

Everyone Prays In A Foxhole.

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30 I and my Father are one.

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Mark 14:60-64

60 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus,“Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.

Again the high priest asked him,“Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus.“And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63 The high priest tore his clothes.“Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

They all condemned him as worthy of death.

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And then how did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make it? How did a ghetto boy like Colon Powell become a four-star general? How did Bill Clinton come from the sticks of Arkansas and make it to the White House?
Here in America, you can do about anything you are capable of.
So you think there are ZERO Billionaires In Russia?

Or in many other countries?
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You wrote "
The Science complements and endorses much of the bible. "
It does? Then explain how the creator of heaven and earth had the sun stopped in its tracks, stopped its orbit so Joshua could continue slaughtering men women and children with the help of prolonged daylight. And before you begin explaining, remember that the Bible is the word of God. Canonized. There is no time frame of knowledge for God.
LOL

I hope you heard of Leap Year Feb 29th???

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There are many who believe the Old Testament is 100% literally true. And then there are people like me who believe much of it is allegorical. And some is a mixture.
Like how old is Earth. In the Old Testament it is about 6,000 years old but scientifically the Earth is about 6.5 billion EARTH years old. So, how did the writers of the Old Testament come up with just 6,000 years? I don't know but maybe God told someone.
Now, where is God? Everywhere?!? And maybe from his point of view everything is about 6,000 years old.
Modern science does not shake my beliefs in God.
Sorry, Rougie, nowhere in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old. The 6000 year theory, created by men, is based on a genealogy of Adam to Jesus, which assumes the earth was ~4000 years old when Jesus was born after Adam, calculated in Earth years based on the lives of biblical characters. The 6,000 year number has nothing to do with "God's point of view." UR pissing in the wind.
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Thank you.
Rouge: "Whether we came from chimps or some other primate is not material. At some point we became human."
Indeed, at some point humans emerged. However, humans did not emerge from a single specially created couple per Adam and Eve myth. So thank you for admitting that the literal story of Adam & Eve is myth and literally false.
How is it that the earth has everything to sustain life? Duh! There could be millions of planets in the universe that can sustain life.
We have "the right amount"? None of it has any explanation? Billions and billions and billions of galaxies each with billions and billions and billions of stars, and a planet like Earth, needs a special explanation? The real question is how could a universe so vast not support life on many of its planets.
So, you do believe in other-worldly beings?

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JESUS was Human is ALL WAYS except for Sin. He did not sin and only GOD can do that.
Of course God was against the Crusaders, Inquisition, etc... God loves the sinner and hates the sin.
There is an old saying Jacques my friend.
Everyone Prays In A Foxhole.
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60 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus,“Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him,“Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus.“And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
63 The high priest tore his clothes.“Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”
They all condemned him as worthy of death.
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Yes, he agreed he was the Son of God. But, aren't we all? And to prove we are all sons of God (religious misogynous evangelists only use "son", not "daughters btw) He never ever said he was God. And, won't we all sit at the right of God? That statement to the High Priest is to say the least, very ambiguous. Any others where Jesus said he was God. And "Messiah" means "anointed one", not God.
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Sorry, Rougie, nowhere in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old. The 6000 year theory, created by men, is based on a genealogy of Adam to Jesus, which assumes the earth was ~4000 years old when Jesus was born after Adam, calculated in Earth years based on the lives of biblical characters. The 6,000 year number has nothing to do with "God's point of view." UR pissing in the wind.
2 Peter 3:8-9

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

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